Mini Normal 2200 | Game Over

[Day]

Sorry 'm late, was sleeping.

[Day]

Dude, this game is really active for opening just a couple of hours ago. 'll read up.

[Day]

Sorry 'm late, was sleeping.

Ok you can skip the last 200 posts if you answer one important question

ARE YOU HECTIC?

A lie or a negative answer will result in your brutalization

'm not Hectic.

[Day]

'm not a vanilla townie so you should probably kill me at night.

[Day]

What's up, SS? How's Lake Valor?

[Day]

In hindsight, 'm aware my vanilla townie post made it look like 'm a strong role, but I'd like to clarify that 'm not. Killing me would be a massive waste of resources which would be better spent elsewhere.

[Day]

"Pooky," skitter asked, starting slowly.
"The GAME is full of friends, and Ydrasse's entire existence depends on her fun. If she becomes a tryhard, she will almost certainly die.
Did you think about that?
"Oh yes, my love. I love thinking about that."

[Day]

No, you.

[Day]

Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.

[Day]

A bold reason.

[Day]

VOTE: Sujimichi

[Day]

Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.

Do you have any thoughts on this, skitter?

[Day]

skitter, why is this important to argue?

everything

is important to argue.

Why didn't you capitalize 'everything' in this sentence?

[Day]

This feels like a genuine scumread from Luca.

[Day]

Going into page 21 against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you unanswered questions. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead.

[Day]

'm Hectic? First 've heard of this news.

If you're asking me for my read on Ydrasse, 'm leaning town on her.

[Day]

and i have pooky doing fucking backflips to justify him "catching me" and it's like

i feel bad but if this somehow does get me flipped i hope he realizes how stupid he's being this game so far because he will SEE I AM GREEN and he's hopping on gotchas that are going to look so just. yeah, after the fact

@Hectic

does this line from Ydra here TMI that she knows I'm green?

She seems to apparently already know this is not scum Pooky pushing her for mis-elim 1.

Faking doubt about your accuser's alignment to convince people you're not informed about what they are is one of the first things people learn to do when playing as scum. I don't think it's a scumtell at all.

She probably just reads you as town or assumed you were during that post.

[Day]

Why didn't you capitalize 'everything' in this sentence?

I don't know, it looked aesthetically nicer. I feel like capitalizing implies more deliberation while not capitalizing implies spontaneity, so I tend to mix them both depending on what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps other people don't perceive it that way, but I do.

I feel the same way. Do you think this extends to the use of periods and punctuation? If 'm feeling

really

adventurous, I sometimes even a whole word. I normally restrain myself though as to not startle anyone and cause any lasting trauma.

[Day]

Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.

Do you have any thoughts on this, skitter?

skitter?

[Day]

Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.

I want to take note of this because i don't like the timing and content of this post when compared to day's introduction

Like, he promised a catchup read but this feels a bit lackluster - as if he just picked one of two sides (ydratown vs ydrascum) and offered the general consensus produced by his side rather than independent opinion

@day how much experience do you have with ydrasse?

It was the hot topic so I laid out my thoughts. 'll give my opinion on anything else that jumps out at me.

I haven't played with Ydrasse.

[Day]

The defense on ydrasse sounds poor effort/fake

I don't think it was intended as a defense of Ydrasse at all, just saying that scumreading or townreading them based on their reaction is likely to be a bad path to follow. Which i think is a good point.

Yep.

[Day]

If we eliminate day

It will be night

!!!!!!

Clannad After Story?

[Day]

I don't like most of Pooky's case but I think this post is actually pretty scummy:

So I don't like any of {Pooky, Suji, Skitter, Mena}. Maybe like 2 scum in here?
which makes me think I'm either rly woke or wrong.

I can easily see myself being wrong on Suji.
I don't think Pooky and Mena are both town.

I'm vibing with Luca, Day.
Lucy seems townie.
Ydra I think is townie so far but like if she dies it probably helps me ig. Either pooky is right, I'm wrong, and I need to reassess or pooky is just scum.
Fark seems fine so far

Having no room to see both of Pooky and Ydrasse being town doesn't seem genuine. Why can't Pooky be wrong also be town instead of 'just scum'? It feels more like that's what Alisae wants that to be perceived as, as it helps their win con and both of Pooky and Ydrasse are town. Seeing at least 1 scum in Pooky and Menalque is also more of the same kind of thing.

VOTE: Alisae

[Day]

If we eliminate day

It will be night

!!!!!!

Clannad After Story?

Google says that's an anime. Do they make permanent night?

Night's just a conspiracy. There's a massive screen that hangs over the sky and plays a video of darkness and stars and people don't question it because it's all they've ever known.

[Day]

I townread Farkran, Norwegian, LegoLucy, Luca for other reasons but it feels like there's a fog over my brain so it probably won't be easy to put it into words right now.

[Day]

It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

[Day]

If we eliminate day

It will be night

!!!!!!

Clannad After Story?

Google says that's an anime. Do they make permanent night?

Night's just a conspiracy. There's a massive screen that hangs over the sky and plays a video of darkness and stars and people don't question it because it's all they've ever known.

But then where does snow come from

Snow is a marketing tactic designed to hype us up for the holiday season to buy more gifts. It comes from snow machines.

[Day]

It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

You could say that about anyone trying to solve. Just because someone says it’s more likely SvT doesn’t mean they didn’t consider the possibility of TvT.

It looks like they tried to list out the scenarios in that post though, and just took for a fact that either Pooky is right and Ydrasse is scum, or Pooky is scum.

[Day]

As if the thought of double townies didn't even cross their mind.

[Day]

Congratulations on the third, Lucy.

[Day]

I don't like Farkran's reasoning for voting Pooky based on him saying he could be wrong, it doesn't really mean anything in the context. I also think saying Day and Pooky make the most sense as scum together is a pretty shallow read. Farkran slipped out a page of my good books and wrote himself into a thesaurus.

[Day]

You mean the possibility you are town and wrong about Alisae?

I could be wrong about Ali sure.

I could be wrong about lots of stuff.

Acknowledging he could be wrong when asked means absolute nothing, and the prior post 719 was about being wrong on Ydrasse and Alisae not considering that. 'm pretty sure Pooky is a bear.

[Day]

I don't see a change in consistency is the thing, I see him continuing to convince us why Alisae is scum even in #719 (linked above).

Why do we make sense as scum together? I say it's shallow because we're pushing Alisae together and clearly aligning with each other on thoughts. That seems stupid to do as scum.

[Day]

A day, a day, my KINGDOM for a day.

[Day]

Congrats, Chara!

[Day]

Haha really? I assumed they just passed it now.

I have no thoughts on it, skitter. You didn't give any reason for it.

[Day]

Spoiler: For scum

'm a doctor and am free to kill tonight. Don't be afraid of killing me without mercy.

Spoiler: For town

'm a paranoid gun owner and am very deadly at night. Don't tell anyone.

[Day]

There's been a lot of social this game so 've had far less reads than I normally would in 32 pages probably. I still don't like the way Alisae was setting up dichotomies in that post and I think the positioning looks more like scum. Farkran 'm not sure about, I read his tone as town but I haven't liked his latest reasoning as much.

You're hard to read, you go off gutpings and vibes and don't give as much reasoning, and 'm all about looking into people's reasoning, so I can't tell with you.

LegoLucy's really fun which is probably making me biased in my read of her, but 've liked her takes even if some of them are apparent. Nothing 've seen has raised alarm bells at the very least.

[Day]

[Day]

day, i appreciate the response, ty
unfortunatley i kinda feel like you're a bit wishy-washy rn :/

pooky ty for that one too!!

people i have some level of a townread on: pooky, lucy (maybe?), fark, luca, ss , norwee

i thought about including mena but decided to take him out - i think that's more of a ping than anything else

It's strange how you phrase that. Are you normally so sympathetic to people you think are scum?

[Day]

Also i kinda like norwee, i dont remember if i sad that

Unexpected from you, but i agree, which is unexpected from me too

I don't think my reads are particularly different from skitter (also unexpected), i'd like more insight wrt Day from you if possibile

i don't really have any thoughts on day

ty

VOTE: day

What changed in this time, skitter?

[Day]

VOTE: Sujimichi

The rest of Alisae's play has been okay even if I didn't like that one take from them.

Sujimichi, Sujimichi, Sujimichi...

[Day]

Luca Blight's my strongest townread.

[Day]

You already pocketed me 30 pages ago, this is overkill.

[Day]

How much fun are you having this game on a scale of 1 to 37, Lucy? 1 being no fun, 23 being maximum fun, and 37 being you're not playing the game at all and have hired someone to make all your posts for you.

[Day]

Reading that as a 36 I think.

[Day]

I just won Team Mafia being hardpushed from day 1. Nothing can phase me anymore. I am invincible.
I suggest you to pocket me to avoid the inevitable embarrassment that scumreading me entails Luca.

Anyone else reading this as one of the towniest posts in the thread?

[Day]

Reading that as a 36 I think.

[Day]

I just won Team Mafia being hardpushed from day 1. Nothing can phase me anymore. I am invincible.
I suggest you to pocket me to avoid the inevitable embarrassment that scumreading me entails Luca.

Anyone else reading this as one of the towniest posts in the thread?

yup thats where my townlean on him comes from :3

Let's do a blood pact. 'm down to lose an arm if you are.

[Day]

Also day what do u think of Mena and day

Menalque hasn't done anything I can townread yet and he seems less engaged than most. Day is just an all round awesome dude that has a lot of integrity and should he trusted with the world.

[Day]

Farkran, you're tearing me apart here.

[Day]

Could you explain the actual reasons behind him being scum, Luca? You'll have to sell others on it even if you have some secret meta tell on him.

[Day]

I think it's worse

Norwee reenters the thread and find the whole Ali v Pooky thing has calmed right down, and decides to follow suit and give Pooky another chance

He then votes the player he had defended from my push against him, and one of the few players he's gotten a townping from, just because he hasn't posted in a while?

To me that makes his earlier defence of Suji seem entirely disingenuous, and his current vote seems like scum who doesn't know what to do so votes an easy slot who won't give them a hard time over it

Norwee SR Pooky for switching to Suji

like it aint no thing

, and he did the exact same. He's making shit up, basically

Ah, right. This is valid.

[Day]

Farkran, I'm falling into the trap on townreading all of you. If I wanted to, I could explain a bunch of reasons for why each person is town, but I don't see that as useful and 'm aware scum has almost certainly blended in with the crowd. 'm being much more vocal about things I find suspicious than things I like essentially, but there hasn't been much of that.

Do you want me to explain townreads?

[Day]

I haven’t even been close to hostile, this is some ectreme restraint i’m showing because i simply believe you can play this bad as town.

I did find it strange that he's decided to show restraint here when not doing so would probably get him to townspew.

[Day]

Farkran - Regularly engaging with stuff. 558 and 571 are actually town-indicative for Farkran for

reasons

, believe it or not. I really like 1072, because the inconsistencies in tone for me that he's picking up are actually there. 'm changing my tone since this is an alt, so my tone is in part faked, and the fact Farkran's picked up on that and articulated it is good.

Townread.

skitter30 - I actually find her Ydrasse suspicions potentially faked. From that meta discussion, it appears that Ydrasse played the exact same social game in a recent scumgame and was eliminated for it a few days in. skitter believes this is indicative of Ydrasse employing the same playstyle as scum, while the majority of others believe it would be shallow and a poor decision for Ydrasse to employ the exact same strategy again which didn't work so well for her the last time anyway, and would have even less chance of working now that it's established meta for her. I think skitter took too long to come round on it and was a little too persistent in the

she's playing the same as that scumgame, so that's scummy

argument, when the surrounding context of why it'd be a poor decision by Ydrasse is important to look at it. 346 particularly. That push could be fake.

In 467 she states it's hard for her to see otherwise on Ydrasse not being scum. In 780 she admits she might've been wrong with no explanation on why. Could be because momentum was shifting off Ydrasse and she could tell it wasn't the popular opinion anymore.

Scumlean.

[Day]

Something_Smart - He was null town for most the game. He'd chip in occasionally with an insightful question, but there wasn't much else. 've really liked his thoughts on Norwee's frustration in these last couple of pages though, and questioning into the validity of Luca's scumread seems genuine.

Townlean.

Luca Blight - From what 've seen of his scumgame, he's a lot more stilted and reads as unnatural (no offense). I thought that might've been a nai thing because he was trying to roleplay the aesthetic from his avatar, but the massive contrast in how free flowing and genuine his tone is here means it's probably an alignment-related change. His push on Norwee and his emotions about how he feels bad for Norwee, or how he'd feel terrible if he was wrong also reads as very genuine.

Townread.

[Day]

Menalque - 'm up to 217 for the first post that's given me any thoughts on him whatsoever haha. I think this might be a little too out there for scum? Possibly. 391 is a good take. 749 is strange. Yeah, I don't know about this one at all, the things 've pointed out aren't really significant. He has a lot of posts but doesn't feel as engaged with content and scumhunting as much as others do.

Mixed.

[Day]

Pooky - His pushes early on like the one on Ydrasse seemed over the top, but given his explanation in 873, I read it as town-motivated, and that he's just having fun to generate information and content. My thoughts aligned with his on the dichotomy Alisae was presenting on him/Ydrasse being alarming, which I also like. Also, 638 has enthusiasm in it which reads like town who thinks they're onto something and are excited.

Townread.

[Day]

'm done for now.

Menalque, why do you think Sujimichi's town?

[Day]

Pro scumhunting tip.

[Day]

[Day]

What.

[Day]

:)

[Day]

I assume Day has a significant past experience with me

I... really like the perspective on skitter. Regardless of whether she's scum or not, it's both detailed and reasonable and the angle pushed is extraordinarily not scummy for Day

Hmmmmm

I forgot to mention in the post, but I also didn't like her voting me for

gutpings

in 818, when she stated she had no thoughts on me in 774. Similar to the Ydrasse unvote, it's possible she's trying to beat the curve on who's getting attention and ascertained you were probably gonna convince others to vote me, so would rather be early on the wagon.

[Day]

Since voting Sujimichi while she's absent probably isn't useful, I'll VOTE: skitter30.

[Day]

:-]

[Day]

Menalque, why do you think Sujimichi's town?

boop boop

[Day]

What if Norwee's a villager who's hunted wolves before and wears their pelts? Would explain the smell.

[Day]

i think you were supposed to read that as a 22 :lol:

Could you explain why you think that to be the case? I was fairly sure of my 36 read but 'm open to being convinced.

[Day]

I assume Day has a significant past experience with me

I... really like the perspective on skitter. Regardless of whether she's scum or not, it's both detailed and reasonable and the angle pushed is extraordinarily not scummy for Day

Hmmmmm

I forgot to mention in the post, but I also didn't like her voting me for

gutpings

in 818, when she stated she had no thoughts on me in 774. Similar to the Ydrasse unvote, it's possible she's trying to beat the curve on who's getting attention and ascertained you were probably gonna convince others to vote me, so would rather be early on the wagon.

idk. i didn't really have thoughts at first, upon thinking abt it more i realized that i had some gutpings
i'm not sure if i'm still voteing but UNVOTE:

Could I ask why you unvoted?

[Day]

The first question is a lot more important than the second.

[Day]

The first question is a lot more important than the second.

i hope i adequately addressed your concerns

It satiated my curiosity at world record pacing. What's your home site out of interest?

[Day]

I think Norwee is part of the village because he went through thought process and talked about how sometimes on different time if someone fought him he would think the attacker was a wolf but for Luca he didn't think that. He said Luca was bad at the game. Luca would only be bad at the game if Luca is guessing Norwee's rolecard wrong. Of course it could be a lie that Norwee is telling but Norwee just the meander path of his thoughtstream doesn't go there as much if norwee were to be a wolf, norwee would spend more time on other things. I think.

Menalque he has been quiet but early on I remember a small good feeling i don't remember why. I think it is bad that he is not wonder about skitter. even if it is not how he can win as villager i think he would wonder you can see the different with pooky pooky wonder if Ydrasse is good or is she is bad even though he decided he will not vote her either way

The way you explain things is beautiful. I agree the reaction from Norwee was towny though, particularly the part where he was really annoyed at Luca's hubris. Scum can be frustrated sure, but he was specifically frustrated at the confidence Luca had in him being scum, and it's a lot easier to be annoyed at that when you know Luca's wrong.

[Day]

She'll murder you with dull razor blades and have the last laugh.

[Day]

I only befriend villagers. Criminals don't make good friends, and shame on them for their dastardly ways.

[Day]

After some deep reflection, introspection, analysis, bungee jumping, and meditation:

Luca Blight
Farkran
LegoLucy
Pooky
Ydrasse
Norwee
Something_Smart
Chara
Menalque
Sujimichi
Alisae
skitter30

[Day]

the last time I played with suji he afk-lurk-disappeared and he was scum so I can understand the suspicion Norwee has here

Why do you think Norwee knows about that scum trait?

[Day]

I agree a lot but I have not connected to Farkran

Half of his anime recommendations were very lacklustre to be fair, so I understand the concerns.

[Day]

:D

[Day]

Since voting Sujimichi while she's absent probably isn't useful, I'll VOTE: skitter30.

You missed my vote, mod. It's understandable because I spelt skitter22's name wrong.

fixed sorry about that

[Day]

Lucy thinking Norwee is town but sheeping the 90% Luca read is actually something I townread her more for. It might be too scummy to be scum but I see why town would want to place their faith in a friend if they have no strong reads of their own, but scum probably avoids doing something so brash that can look scummy, especially when they were just calling that same person a small town.

[Day]

Wtf why do you not like the anime i suggested, they're both hidden treasures worth being watched even if you aren't fond of their genre

I tried watching the anime your avatar's from and it just didn't click for me, I didn't really get if I guess. 'm more of a Monster kind of time of a 24 hour period.

[Day]

luca to elaborate a bit: i townread you fairly strongly at this point
and i believe that you have a fairly high level of accuracy at reading norwee
(you sound kinda exactly like me when i talk abt reading someone like a50 for exactly)

i think you're therefore probably on to something, and i don't know who scum is rn, so i feel like it's worth a shot

i dont' think you're scum who's pulling 'i'm super good at reading norwee and y'all should sheep me because':
- you don't seem to expect you'll get sheeped
- if you were and you misflip town nor you'll lose a load of credibility

for all of those things together, if you're actually that good at reading him, i feel reasonably decent sheeping it

The first two parts of this post are fair and I like them for the same reason I like Lucy's. I don't like the reasons she's given for Luca not being scum though. I don't see anything from Luca indicating he doesn't expect to be sheeped; the guy keeps on casing the Norwee and that probably comes with some expectation he'll be listened to. And I really disagree with the Luca losing credibility if the Norwee flips town part, Luca's town for me regardless of Norwee's alignment, because he's town for how genuine his push sounds and tone, not because I think his reads are good.

[Day]

Pooky and skitter pushed Ydrasse because she was playing similarly to a scumgame.
Pooky pushed Alisae because they were setting up scummy dichotomies.
Farkran pushed Day for looking like they were forcing content.
Day pushed skitter for play that looked disingenuous/political.
Luca Blight did, and is, pushing Norwee for a lack of brilliant towniness.
Menalque's being pushed for lack of passion by some.
PenguinPower replaced in.
We flip town on Day 1.
Day 2 involved a lot of passionate fights and aggression.
Someone threatens to self-vote and quit mafia if they're wrong about a scumread.
That scumread flips town, and the accuser does not infact self-vote or quit mafia.
Sujimichi replaces back in but this time under Chara's slot.
Sujimichi goes on to deepwolf and finds herself in a final 3 of Sujimichi, LegoLucy, and skitter22.
LegoLucy pulls out her double dayvig, and shoots them both, winning the game for town.

[Day]

on my side.

[Day]

I agree and like that post, I don't see the backpedaling argument from Farkran.

[Day]

Is this the town-crying you were looking for, Pooky?

[Day]

Norwee needs a bit of day in his life to lighten up.

[Day]

skitter22, what exactly in that interaction made you like the vote more?

[Day]

I agree that an over the top reaction to a vote is towny in a henry hoover vacuum. And it sounds like it's towny for Norwee specifically too?

[Day]

Is this the town-crying you were looking for, Pooky?

he's not exactly to that locktown level of tears but he's on the way I would say.

You should've seen him after me and Koba demoralized him in that coalition game where I hard-shit-tunneled him right out of the gate to sort his slot.

It was pretty epic :3

I felt bad because I was like asking koba if we could put him back in the townblock

and koba was like

"nah let's make him suffer another day or two just to make extra sure he's town"

:>

Haha you're evil.

Norwee, you need to fake it as scum so this doesn't become an effective way to read you.

[Day]

norwee's motivation to win as scum is so low I can't even see it.

like when he gets read as scum he basically ghosts the thread lololol

for reference:

this is my only game with scum!norwee

he gets scumread correctly very early and the defense is basically non existent:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84650

Okay, I skimmed through that and his reaction to votes and pressure are worlds apart from this game. 'm moving him up to a strong townread.

[Day]

Why do you have to keep roasting me.

You make a really nice steak.

[Day]

Norwee, if you don't want this to be a thing, you either need to fake it as scum or be more composed as town. Otherwise the bears will take advantage.

[Day]

I understand where Lucy's coming from. If not the Godfather power, she might have a mass destruction power like a roleblocker or rolecop which could blow up the city.

I dislike the notion of policy not voting someone until a certain day. If we think someone is scum, we should kill them, and it's not fair to everyone else to give certain individuals special privileges.

[Day]

There's no way you'd abuse your power like that.

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[Day]

Norwee, LegoLucy, Pooky, Farkran, Luca, Day GOLDEN?

[Day]

Is SS being given a day pass?

I gave him no such pass.

[Day]

Norwee, LegoLucy, Pooky, Farkran, Luca, Day GOLDEN?

I think that’s a pretty good list of town and i mostly agree, (if that’s what it is)

Yes, they're my city.

[Day]

Anyways i'll have you know though that i am *seriously* thinking about voting skitter right now and i have been for a while, that's how much i am wking her

this is btw the exact thing i would expect you to do as scum in this game state after I call you out on WKing skitter

Fakran's been talking about seeing some naive or odd things from skitter for a while now.

[Day]

Pooky, to me it looks like Farkran thinks skitter hasn't been the towniest this game, but wants to keep her around for similar reasons you or Menalque would. Wouldn't you have the same stance as him if you thought she was scummy?

[Day]

Ow

[Day]

What's your stance on skitter22?

[Day]

If Farkran is scummy, he's town because why would he look scummy as scum when he's a really good player, but since you think he's town it probably means he's scum and he manipulated your read to get there. But if you think he's scum, it means.....

[Day]

The fact Ydrasse's reply was written up in 4 minutes and is free flowing stream of consciousness makes me like her.

[Day]

Because I would expect you to be a lot warier of supporting a wagon norwee is pushing

Didn't he explicitly say he was liking Norwee more in the same post?

This is more like the Norwegian I know and love

VOTE: Menalque

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

[Day]

skitter30

Farkran

Alisae

PookyTheMagicalBear

Chara

Luca Blight
NorwegianboyEE

LegoLucy

Sujimichi

Ydrasse

Day

Something_

Smart

I colored in my townreads and the only overlap with Menalque's is LegoLucy.

I wonder if the fact we're seeing the game so differently means you have a different alignment from me. Maybe you're a jester.

[Day]

You were saying you see no agenda in his play and he usually has an agenda as scum. 'm asking if you think him taking that 1 scum minimum stance could be that agenda.

[Day]

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

if he's town why wouldn't scum want to try to keep him in the scumpool?

Or you mean if he's town, it's beneficial for scum to push him here since he's easy pickings. I see what you mean. Still, the fact he basically acknowledges he's been subpar this game doesn't fit with the confidence of that stance.

[Day]

Hey penguin y r u voting 4 me

i can't vote this player anymore
UNVOTE:
they feel so lost and not in a scummy way.

What about that Menalque question seemed lost? Pengo naked voted so questioning it is natural.

[Day]

Luca Blight
Norwee
Farkran
LegoLucy
Pooky
Ydrasse
Something_Smart
Chara
Pengo
Alisae
Menalque
skitter30

[Day]

You should get down from your elevated position before you fall down and hurt yourself.

[Day]

VOTE: Menalque

I laugh half your posts, Lucy. This makes me think good at deception game and awake to Lead. Lucy is the founder of the garage.

[Day]

Cheeky smile

[Day]

VOTE: skitter22

[Day]

I think it's reasonable to have individual reasons to think two people are scummy, not everyone hunts team associations before any flips.

[Day]

I don't like the number of times you keep bringing up the panic room + redacted statement, something about it feels like you've overusing that line, while not actually explaining the actual similarities between this game and panic room.

[Day]

Honestly i think he's just busy irl, see the recent panic room when je was scum but couldnt play due to busy-ness - when he *was* around, he actually efforted and tried to make himself look townie and solving

Oh, I see.

[Day]

I think she's saying that it's suspicious of you to push her specifically rather than anyone else on Menalque's wagon that has a better chance of being a successful counterwagon to Menalque, given you think he's town and want to save him. And the reason would be to align with and pocket him. I don't particularly agree with the theory and don't think it's a massive priority for you to pocket the number 1 wagon right now but I can see why she believes it.

[Day]

day i feel like you're looking for reasons to vote me ngl

Maybe, but something about you feels off this game.

And I heavily disagree with this:

ss is probably town too tbh

i think there's a decent number of scum in the {lucy, day, farkran, norwee} group

pedit that was about ss and you tbf

[Day]

I think she's saying that it's suspicious of you to push her specifically rather than anyone else on Menalque's wagon that has a better chance of being a successful counterwagon to Menalque, given you think he's town and want to save him. And the reason would be to align with and pocket him. I don't particularly agree with the theory and don't think it's a massive priority for you to pocket the number 1 wagon right now but I can see why she believes it.

no, that still doesn't explain it, but nice try given taht she's *accusing me of aligning with reads he literally hadn't had yet*

I don't mean your initial Lucy suspicions, I mean your recent ones and picking to push her over anyone else.

[Day]

I think she's saying that it's suspicious of you to push her specifically rather than anyone else on Menalque's wagon that has a better chance of being a successful counterwagon to Menalque, given you think he's town and want to save him. And the reason would be to align with and pocket him. I don't particularly agree with the theory and don't think it's a massive priority for you to pocket the number 1 wagon right now but I can see why she believes it.

this is silly

mena starts in skitters pocket


she has no need to pocket him if she is s and he is t

I don't agree with it. 'm just deciphering what I think Lucy is saying there.

[Day]

I don't mean your initial Lucy suspicions, I mean your recent ones and picking to push her over anyone else.

i don't have context for skitter's initial suspicion of Lucy, but why do you townread her so strongly? a quote would be fine if it's there.

I know her main and her play is strongly towny for her.

[Day]

Because he dislike me too. You are sharing a hobby with him to flirt him into your pocket. Hunting Lucy hobby. But you are faking your interest in the hobby. Bad date. Menal probably serious in hobby and think I might vacation. Menal silly.

day.

she's literally saying that i'm trying to pocket mena by sharing his scumread on her

(and thus casting grand aspersions on my reads, my motivations for them, how i'm interacting with mena)

when. mena. was. townreading. lucy.

I'll go look at the timeline.

[Day]

I don’t think dr worm is trown.

Who's that?

[Day]

1542: Menalque has LegoLucy on his town list
1671: skitter22 suggests distaste at Lucy's vote
1678: Menalque ponders about Lucy but isn't sure
1679: skitter22 starts casing Lucy

So yeah, skitter22's right on Lucy's reasoning being flawed there.

I want so badly for Lucy to be town though.

[Day]

UNVOTE: skitter22

I will think.

[Day]

oh, i assumed Lucy's main wasn't outed. Day, could you explain why it's so strongly towny? given Penguin also knows the user and is saying the opposite.

She's having fun.

[Day]

Is Lucy’s main public knowledge?

No...

[Day]

You're cheating because you're all seeing.

[Day]

What would be a towny approach then?

[Day]

i don't get the argument that skitter should vote someone who will actually go to elimination to save Mena, it kind of sidesteps the act of voting a player you scumread and is just a weird framing of the vote.

pedit: eh.

From the start of 1800, it looks like Lucy sees herself as very townread in the village, so she might be thinking wolf skitter's making a push that doesn't actually have a chance of going through to save Menalque, and is only doing it for appearances? The pocket thing is flawed but I can see reasoning behind that part of it.

[Day]

:-5

[Day]

i don't get the argument that skitter should vote someone who will actually go to elimination to save Mena, it kind of sidesteps the act of voting a player you scumread and is just a weird framing of the vote.

pedit: eh.

From the start of 1800, it looks like Lucy sees herself as very townread in the village, so she might be thinking wolf skitter's making a push that doesn't actually have a chance of going through to save Menalque, and is only doing it for appearances? The pocket thing is flawed but I can see reasoning behind that part of it.

if scum-me is trying to save partner-mena that would be a very ineffective way of goinb about it, no?

No, I mean if Lucy thinks she's unpushable, and skitter wants to save Menalque, and skitter sees Lucy also as unpushable, then Lucy thinks that skitter would be better inclined to push someone other than Lucy if skitter were town. If skitter were wolf, she doesn't care as much because she doesn't actually care about saving the villager Menalque. So it's not that it has scum motivation, but it has a lack of town motivation. 'm probably delving far too deep in assuming what exactly Lucy was thinking and should let her speak for herself though.

[Day]

no but i have a guess for who she is

also day to compound the above: she's saying all of this right after she voted mena to e1. i.e. she's saying that i'm scummier than mena and that i'm trying to pocket him blah blah blah just after she placed the e1 vote on him (and thus indicating she scumreads him ...)

pedit yes can we vote lucy now? 1800 was awful

i mean yeah it's certainly not great, but i haven't liked what i've seen of Day's approach either.
i'm not sure about the unvote and then "i'll think on it". i first thought yeah, that's what Day should do given the timeline has apparently been cleared up, but maybe that's also what scum Day should do rather than doubling down, anyway.

What would be a towny approach then?

'd like an answer to this, Chara.

[Day]

I don't think Lucy was implying you were trying to save your partner? I think she was implying you would be wolf and Menalque would be town in that scenario.

[Day]

Love it when alts claim to know other alts mains but neither are public. Love it.

Am I wrong or wrong though?

[Day]

LegoLucy is totally town.

Why did she use to be a trown for you?

[Day]

:-|

[Day]

right, the person she just voted to e1

I can sympathize with reading two players independently and not doing pre-flip team reads but I agree it is a little jarring in this case.

[Day]

:<

[Day]

I have a tendency to townread her admittedly.

[Day]

i don't think day is necessarily scum if lucy is tbf

if Day is scum the Lucy read feels more WKy than partner-y to me.

What if Lucy's scum?

[Day]

@Penguin: do you have a read on Day?

pedit: i'm so jaded at this point i can't in good conscience call it scummy, but it is definitely antitown.

Not really but would vote!

You forgot the /s this time.

[Day]

i came to a revelation recently that showbiz is definitely top 3 best muse albums imo and even though its not nearly as good as like, absolution, i like it as much because of how raw and emotional and unpolished it is

I wouldn't call it top 3, because there's some pretty stiff competition there, and musically it's not especially diverse. But it has a lot of banging tracks and the unpolishedness definitely gives it a unique sound.

I don't expect people to listen and aren't trying to convince anyone with it, it's just why my read is what it is.

[Day]

I'd like to give Day the benefit of the doubt, though I agree that it's pretty silly to be a secret alt and have a meta read on another secret alt and expect people to actually listen to that.

This one.

[Day]

Aww, 'll miss the gimmick, Lucy. I found it hilarious.

[Day]

Monopolisation is a serious crime.

[Day]

I agree, Alisae. I thought 'd give it a try because everyone seems to secret alt nowadays but I don't really get the appeal. Maybe they're ashamed of their main accounts.

[Day]

:X

[Day]

i just let out the ugliest snort

UNVOTE:

Laughter is inherently beautiful Miss Ydrasse

Well then ma'am you simply must never stop giggling... yuore gorgeous

I smiled

I had a feeling after this post, I remember you specifically using this often.

I think skitter's early effort is a villager trying to get started and it doesnt have a showy look like a wolf who is proud of her dentures

And then this one and the gimmick in general were really just an extension of how you sometimes normally post anyway.

...right?

[Day]

I think Luca? He used an exclamation mark.

[Day]

You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.

[Day]

You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.

i think you want her to be town more than you think she is town.

Very possibly.

[Day]

Day doesn't get points both times this was expressed were agreeing with someone, by my memory.

Not true actually. 've acknowledged it myself previously.

[Day]

1851

[Day]

This game is so entertaining, I had way too much fun catching up on all that. I was starting to think I might've been the crazy one and the legendary 1800 was actually scummy when all of skitter/Pooky/Chara were vehemently against me, so it's relieving to see Farkran/Norwee/Luca come in and mirror essentially everything I was thinking on the matter. The way the factions have developed in this game are really fascinating, this is most interesting day 1 've been in for ages.

skitter's venting I actually find pretty towny, in that her exasperation indicates she truly does believe in the arguments she's making, so if she's scum, she thinks she's actually completely in the right here, or she's just town. Farkran is obvtown. Luca is still obvtown. Norwee still town and the mind melding helps a lot. Pooky 'm not as sure on but pushing and calling Fark scum probably doesn't have much scum motivation there even if I completely disagree with the reasoning? I townread him less than I did before though. I don't hate Luca's take that it's a TvTvTvT. skitter being the least confident because that's a recent change in heart and the rest of the game's content and uneasy feelings do still exist.

Uh, what else. Chara! Chara, Chara, Chara... I found Chara's vote on me really strange as well, and the way they framed how they disliked me reconsidering while they agree with the reasoning which made me reconsider is weird. They said town sometimes doubles down on reasoning and is antagonistic, and are applying the inverse to say me

not

doing that is scummy, when I don't think they should be applying the inverse there?
I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?

[Day]

VOTE: Chara

Out for now.

[Day]

VOTE: day

VOTE: day

Of course.

[Day]

'd still vote for Menalque if not Chara. The minimum 1 scum thing and performative votes onto Luca and Norwee when they're both obvtown is what I actually think is the worst take in the game.

[Day]

Eh, I want to do this more right now.

VOTE: Menalque

Out for real now.

[Day]

V/LA for a day or two

[Day]

Lucy, is she still your top scumread? I found her exasperated venting a little towny. Also, why the change of heart on Menalque?

[Day]

'm not sure why Alisae isn't doing anything this game.

[Day]

i mean, i'm playing a 5-page game here, so,

You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.

i guess this game deserves some effort. i'm as of yet unconvinced that you could be

this

convinced Lucy is town from the rest of the game, but i'm also not sure at you two would be scum together.

pedit: hmmmmmmmm

Chara, could you explain why you doubted my townread on Lucy from the rest of the game if you hadn't read up?

[Day]

(pooky, something_smart, day)

There you go.

[Day]

skitter, why are you voting me?

[Day]

I don't normally like to self meta, but genuinely serious, if I was scum this game 'd have come as Night.

[Day]

It's too scummy to be scum so 'd be townread for it, Pooky. Think about it.

[Day]

Luca Blight
NorwegianboyEE
Farkran
LegoLucy
PookyTheMagicalBear
skitter30
Ydrasse
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Alisae
Chara
Menalque

[Day]

Just one.

[Day]

[Day]

Her positioning?

[Day]

Luca Blight
NorwegianboyEE
Farkran
LegoLucy
PookyTheMagicalBear
skitter30
Ydrasse
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Alisae
Chara
Menalque

Is this list in order of likely to be scum or "care about the game"?

They usually correlate, but scum.

[Day]

Putting her that high above Menalque. Implies that you think there's a decent chance she's town and wrong about him.

skitter's good, but has known to be wrong. I see her argument about Panic Room, I checked it myself and I can see the difference, Menalque makes more of an effort to fake solving and get townread for it. Still, he ended up being eliminated in that game and lost it as mafia. I don't think a playstyle change on it's own is a good reason to believe he's town, he may just care less this game as either alignment, or may even be going for a different approach knowing he was hydraing with skitter in Panic Room, and that she would like a shift like that.

'm reading him for his stances this game and I haven't liked those.

[Day]

The hydra was a different game I shouldn't have mentioned. Disregard that.

[Day]

I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?

see, i asked you what you townread Lucy for, and i was working off of that. i can't work off of material i haven't gotten to yet, and if there was something besides the meta, you didn't supply it when i asked the question.

but i do see that you took the 5 page thing literally, and not as a joke about my playstyle.

regarding the thing about reconsidering, i thought that because a player who is reasonable could of course be town, it's just often a behavior i see scum do to defuse a situation.

your post about how i'm right and that you

were

treating her as town and so were reading into things with that bias also weirded me out, because it sounds like you're acknowledging i was right to find it strange while also finding it strange that i find you suspect.

I meant you were right in saying it felt like I was forcing myself to find a town thought process behind her post, because that is what I was doing because I was confident she was town.

And I am very Reasonable.

[Day]

I trust my reads over others generally speaking, just how I play. Maybe 'm a fool to do so.

[Day]

i would also like a VC, i know i have votes but i only remember Ydrasse, Luca, and Day. or is that it?

Luca, Norwee, Ydrasse. 'm on Menalque.

[Day]

I see the jury's still out on me being a Hectic alt :K

Isis has more fun as town than scum, Pooky, and it felt like she was having a lot of fun this game. The other reason I townread her is because 've agreed with 90% of what she's had to say this game.

[Day]

I always get more people scumreading me when I try harder on Day 1, it's so strange. While when I just post for fun or don't care as much I basically get a free pass.

[Day]

So STRANGE

[Day]

've been eliminated once on Day 1

[Day]

Do you care about being scumread though?

I care more about being scumread when 'm putting effort into the game, otherwise not really

[Day]

I don't know, I kind of almost felt pressured to find it scummy because everyone in the thread at the time were saying it was uber scummy that it basically almost convinced me into thinking there was something scummy about it that I wasn't seeing. When I first read 1800 I actually liked it and though it was towny

[Day]

*thought it was

[Day]

It's not because of the chance of being eliminated I think, it's more the feeling of being distrusted after putting effort into the game. I mean, that's mafia though.

[Day]

('m not complaining to be clear)

[Day]

Yeah, the timeline being wrong doesn't actually mean Lucy is scummy for misrepresenting the facts. Especially when skitter22 can just point out the order is different (like she did). Everyone was saying it made her look really scummy though and in the moment I thought "oh, maybe Lucy is actually making things up to support her skitter scumread" or something like that when that's dumb in reality. It was the, uh, current climate of the time that got to my head.

[Day]

Which reply, Chara?

[Day]

I mean distrauested as in scumread for my opinions, Pooky. Not that my reads aren't being trusted or anything.

But to answer your question: I think Fark is obvtown and his argument with skitter where you could see his anger/frustration bubbling under the surface of his posts while he tried to make sense of skitter and make her see sense was really towny

[Day]

is Scum Fark unable to be angry?

I think scum Fark is less emotion and more robotic (probably not the best word for it), but the main thing I townread him for is the "I didn't want to get mad" and how he needed to take a break or whatever. Doesn't feel faked.

[Day]

Just go to sleep now with the knowledge you have lots of JUICY content to catch up on in the morrow

[Day]

I acknowledge you were joking about the 5 page thing, Chara. It's not something 'm concerned about anymore.

Do you think someon reconsidering rather than doubling down is scummy in a vacuum?

[Day]

FINE, for your sake 'm taking my leave

Love you all and see you after my V/LA which could last anywhere between 1 hour to 48 hours

[Day]

and receiving vacation sounds like such a nice thing to give someone :3

That's just the gimmick. When I read it at the time I thought it was just a fun way to give an E-1 warning

[Day]

Wait, I was supposed to take a vacation

It commences NOW

[Day]

The Luca vote hurts the most

[Day]

I skimmed and 'm just gonna claim now since I can't defend myself for the next couple of days

'm a Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker