Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[Artemiana]

HEAL: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

[Artemiana]

THE GODS DECLARE THAT THESE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE BEST FIT TO SIT NEXT TO ME ON THE COUNCIL

[Artemiana]

I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.

I'm curious why you think that.

[Artemiana]

I iz alt. Newbie I am not.

Do you really think mozamis would be so blatant about being against the council as scum like that?

Aunty Artemis thinks that that man might just feel nervous about trusting people he knows nothing about with power. What if the power is given to someone corrupt?

Pedit: this alt is fresh and new. Not gonna do it

[Artemiana]

Well btw. Changing vote on Nono

???

They didn't even check in yet

[Artemiana]

You have, yes

[Artemiana]

I don't think you're the most transparent player but, you do have a good gut. I (think) you're more likely to be active as town, and you're a pusher and prodded.

I also think that you have a tendency to scum read more careful/timid players

[Artemiana]

So listen my suggestion.


I'm not really happy with Battle Mage choose. I feel like he could just grab someone from scumteam. So my suggestion.


We choose one person via majority. After that, this person choose someone. And then, this choosen person will choose third one. And this will be our Council. While it's possible for mafia being in, we gain maximum info from this. Of course it somewhat strange on paper and dunno if necessary, but fun as hell so let's do. No, you can't vote for yourself.


I vote mozamis for Council. He expireinced player as well (2011), but somehow not in list of any councils. So i suggesting him.

I like it. Why do you think join date = experience?

I would take this as a balsy move if you're scum with mozzy

[Artemiana]

I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan

that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.

^mozamis knows I'm town

A little early for perspective slips, don't you think? Imo, scum are the most aware of doing these kinds of things too early. I find it much more likely to happen later when they aren't deciding how to play around with the town players and have already gotten a few Miseliminations and have gotten nice and cozy, and more daring

[Artemiana]

and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

I hard disagree. I think scum would have an easier time with the mechanic than town would. Their edge of knowledge would be pretty powerful, and scum have the incentive to pocket and manipulate town so that they can get a seat in the council.

With this in mind, I would be less suspicious of mozzyman and more so with enchant who seems to be appearing pro-town

[Artemiana]

No

But I can be calculating but may or may not appear so

[Artemiana]

This young goddess in training is not a calculator of facts and figures, but one of emotions and manipulations

That shall ruin any work this young goddess decides to put forth

[Artemiana]

and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

I hard disagree. I think scum would have an easier time with the mechanic than town would. Their edge of knowledge would be pretty powerful, and scum have the incentive to pocket and manipulate town so that they can get a seat in the council.

With this in mind, I would be less suspicious of mozzyman and more so with enchant who seems to be appearing pro-town

You don't think 'mozzyman' ultimately ended up doing precisely that pocketing, when making a real show of choosing who would be in their council? I think it's harder to play for scum because they get a big advantage if they get on the council, but if they make it too obvious, it can really throw the game because they wont get on the council and they'll get eliminated. So they need to find a good balance. Whereas town can be quite genuine about it - you just pick yourself and your townreads or whatever. So my expectation is, scum may be more tentative at first - not wanting to seem too eager to get on the council; hence I'm suspicious of those who were reluctant to even throw a couple random names down.

Maybe. Mozzy is a very awkward and self-conscious player to begin with.

Mozamis also seems to be the kind of player who thinks things through thoroughly and doesn't like to make mistakes. It would be my expectation that runs into the way he plays scum.

There were all but two names healed, more than likely scum was tagged in the rvs heals so why would scum moz get in the way of at least one of them being chosen?

If town were gonna be reckless with their council choosing why not let them

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM

[Artemiana]

I also wouldn't mind

HEAL: Mozamis
And maybe HEAL: Raya

[Artemiana]

Also what is it with fake mason claims in recent times.

I don't understand it

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM

I also wouldn't mind

HEAL: Mozamis
And maybe HEAL: Raya

why wouldn't you heal yourself

If people want to heal me, then cool but like

Self- town cases are laem

[Artemiana]

You don't?

I feel like scum would be most likely to try and come up with a plan like this to get in the good graces of other people

[Artemiana]

@mod

Can council members be voted in one at a time, or does it have to be all three at one time?

[Artemiana]

Oh nvr mind I cannot read

[Artemiana]

Also i disagree with This Council, because i'm not in it.

Why do you think you deserve to be in the council compared to anyone else this game?

If you beleive experience a notable qualifier for council members , why should any of us beleive you would bring anything of value?

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, mozamis, Raya

I decidedly don't like Tbone, enchant, or yessiree

[Artemiana]

Actually

HEAL: Raya, nono, BM

I'm down for this and at some point someone's gotta sacrifice to get w council hammer

[Artemiana]

I think the "slip" is NAI and his play around him rings townie imo. They are producing better content than can be said for some

[Artemiana]

I'd be happier with HEAL: Raya, BM, Artemiana now

So the first few pages tell us Almost and Battle Mage are town.
DEAR FUTURE PARANOID MOZ: THIS IS THE TRUTH!

Tell me more about this.

BM rings me as town, A50 so far is NAI

[Artemiana]

Wow you changing fast.

Did we abandon my plan already? Kinda only one vote remain.

Am I?


I was still voting my top three though me being snug with Raya and BM sounds nice. I would hammer

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Artemiana, Raya

[Artemiana]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

Anyway, aunty artie is taking me out on a hunting trip all weekend!

You all behave while this young goddess is gone!

V/LA up until sunday night/Monday afternoon

I just came in because the typo needed fixing. -brass

[Artemiana]

I just came in because the typo needed fixing. -brass

This is mod intervention at it's worst. I needed to see the typo before it was fixed. It would have helped me decide hoe I read Artemiana.

Excuse me. Much like my aunty, I'm also a virgin goddess

[Artemiana]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

Anyway, aunty artie is taking me out on a hunting trip all weekend!

You all behave while this young goddess is gone!

V/LA up until sunday night/Monday afternoon

I just came in because the typo needed fixing. -brass

wow another contentless post from arte.

fine put her on the council - then we still lynch them?

Another?!?
You mean to tell me I have more than one?!?

That's unacceptable! You must tell me what about my posts are different from, say yours so that way I can become the best virgin huntress goddess that I can be!

[Artemiana]

Also, I know you're beastial in nature, mozzy man, but I don't think its beneficial to bite one of the few hands willing to feed you

[Artemiana]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

Anyway, aunty artie is taking me out on a hunting trip all weekend!

You all behave while this young goddess is gone!

V/LA up until sunday night/Monday afternoon

I just came in because the typo needed fixing. -brass

wow another contentless post from arte.

fine put her on the council - then we still lynch them?

If you think I'm a bad guy here why not push harder against me being on council?

Theres alot of weird and confusing things going on around here

[Artemiana]

Fine. I want to say i wasted all day on this, but actually i wasted time on other videogames and did this in 30 mins. Mafia is hard.

This is probably one of Enchants towniest posts.

I hate, though how the reads had to be forced out of him. He keeps making a big deal of how crappy he is this game, how crappy he is with playing mafia altogether. I'm also unsure of his admission that he wants scum to NK those he finds annoying (he did it twice, first time was with me then yessiree)

I think this entire posts shows that he is in fact able to think in depth, the fact that he can come up with a plan shows that he is able to strategize but he isn't putting much effort into actually making reads this game, using the excuse that hes shitty to avoid doing them all together.

And yes, I did say that the plan was a pro-town plan but it doesn't mean that the player behind it is exhibiting pro-town behaviors. The plan is an easy thing to create to try and control the game state.

I'm also particularly pinged by the fact that he thinks that those that are experienced should be the one who belongs on council, yet despite his admitted shittyness in mafia, he has the belief that he belongs on the council. When approached, he doesn't give a reason beyond "because I know I am town" which I absolutely shitty as a reason so like...

Idk

Enchant almost feels like TSTBS but I so hate using that argument

[Artemiana]

Monkey man, why are your top three council choices coincidentally the three who are putting in the least amount t of effort in this game.

Mozzyman is, ok sure but what are you getting from nono and yessiree?

Nono so far, iirc had content dodging posts with a promise to get into the game, and not having followed through with said promise

[Artemiana]

Guys

We have three days to choose a council and vote someone off

Just saying

[Artemiana]

If I were being honest, I think I want you shot the most, enchant.

[Artemiana]

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

Mmm...

Why do you do this?

Like...

You start off passive aggressive and then out of no where it's like OH NO, NONONO PLZPLZPLZ

OLZPLZPLZ LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Why do you continue to play the woe is me card? Even when you went against the council you thought BM and I were both scum which is pretty ridiculous imo. Considering you successfully kicked me off, I would imagine you have the capacity to push this much harder?

[Artemiana]

BM, thoughts on monkeeman?

[Artemiana]

I think if monkee flips red, moz and yessus should be cleared at any point in the game

[Artemiana]

VOTE: A50

[Artemiana]

Fuck me. W/e

[Artemiana]

VOTE: yessiree

[Artemiana]

Lim1

[Artemiana]

Great way to say "I know who you are now"

[Artemiana]

I care about the slip, don't care about any posts from here.

ANYWAY

Back to the gaem

[Artemiana]

Fuck me. W/e

it's probably worth noting this was preceded by an altslip which was then deleted - otherwise looks a bit odd out of context.

Try again

[Artemiana]

It doesn't take a genius to realize that that specific post has nothing to do with what happened into the game. Why are you ignoring the 5-6 posts after that had happened?

[Artemiana]

Actually

HEAL: Raya, nono, BM

I'm down for this and at some point someone's gotta sacrifice to get w council hammer

Also if you're reading, you would have noticed this.

Like what are you even reading?

[Artemiana]

You're a compromise vote. One that I'm no longer sure I want to follow through with.

The argument you presented would be somewhat viable if I actually cared about being on the council but like, I don't.

It's a high risk, high reward play to get partner T-bone to get a seat into the council over townie rookie goddess because come tonight, scum will now have insight to what the council is planning on doing-which makes anything they do invalid

[Artemiana]

VOTE: A50

[Artemiana]

Lim2 I beleive

[Artemiana]

Spite voting me just makes me all the more happier I voted you off council

I don't see scum!yess making this post.

This is taking full responsibility for the change in council. Hes taking full responsibility here when it would he easier to throw all responsibilities onto A50 in a "A50 started it and I thought it was a good idea" kinda way

[Artemiana]

HEAL: Raya, Artemiana, BM

VOTE: Tbone

[Artemiana]

It's a high risk, high reward play to get partner T-bone to get a seat into the council over townie rookie goddess because come tonight, scum will now have insight to what the council is planning on doing-which makes anything they do invalid

Let's not forget that this had happened yesterday.

[Artemiana]

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

One scum, two town pocket.

This is the only council he wanted all of yesterday, and in all votes he wanted tbone in the council above all.

Tbone was also the one that he chose to replace me with, and he was also against BM being in the council.

Yessus was clearly pocketed based on his reactions to his hammer yesterday

[Artemiana]

I guess no point healing until we figure out who are strongest town reads are?

This and T-Bone's opening are Town posts.

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Almost50

@Mod: Would you accept a string that is NOT the exact username if it definitely identifies that player?

(Ex: Over50)

T-Bone: No Vote
Almost50: No Vote
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: No Vote
mozamis: No Vote
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (2), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (1) Nono (1)


Please check, if i'm wrong.

So what's the plan again? Vote 3 that are not me? Fine

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Yessiree

I do agree with Enchant's plan to appoint one council member first, on the simple basis that voting one person is more feasible than voting a three-member combination all at once

as for how the remaining 2 are chosen, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

Seems a good idea, with obvious caveat that you cannot vote for yourself.
HEAL: UNHEAL ALL

Oh!~ So THAT was the plan.

I swear I did read it yesterday, but I totally forgot what it was today, and skimming Enchant's ISO didn't help (apparently I can't read when I'm specifically looking for something rather than reading the whole ISO)

Well, whatever..

HURT: All

HEAL: Moz

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

I could go for BM/Raya/moz Bm/Raya/Tbone

Honestly, like idea with BM/Raya/T-Bone.

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

I'll compromise with you. I've made my stance on wanting to be on the council clear, I'm flexible with whom I can be on it with. What do you want?

Well then..

HEAL: BM/Raya/T-Bone

[Artemiana]

I guess no point healing until we figure out who are strongest town reads are?

This and T-Bone's opening are Town posts.

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Almost50

@Mod: Would you accept a string that is NOT the exact username if it definitely identifies that player?

(Ex: Over50)

T-Bone: No Vote
Almost50: No Vote
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: No Vote
mozamis: No Vote
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (2), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (1) Nono (1)


Please check, if i'm wrong.

So what's the plan again? Vote 3 that are not me? Fine

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Yessiree

I do agree with Enchant's plan to appoint one council member first, on the simple basis that voting one person is more feasible than voting a three-member combination all at once

as for how the remaining 2 are chosen, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

Seems a good idea, with obvious caveat that you cannot vote for yourself.
HEAL: UNHEAL ALL

Oh!~ So THAT was the plan.

I swear I did read it yesterday, but I totally forgot what it was today, and skimming Enchant's ISO didn't help (apparently I can't read when I'm specifically looking for something rather than reading the whole ISO)

Well, whatever..

HURT: All

HEAL: Moz

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

I could go for BM/Raya/moz Bm/Raya/Tbone

Honestly, like idea with BM/Raya/T-Bone.

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

I'll compromise with you. I've made my stance on wanting to be on the council clear, I'm flexible with whom I can be on it with. What do you want?

Well then..

HEAL: BM/Raya/T-Bone

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

One scum, two town pocket.

This is the only council he wanted all of yesterday, and in all votes he wanted tbone in the council above all.

Tbone was also the one that he chose to replace me with, and he was also against BM being in the council.

Yessus was clearly pocketed based on his reactions to his hammer yesterday

This could also, simultaneously be one scum and two town frames.

A agree, track and doc target should be outed and I don't think mafia decided to NK, considering a kill removes one needed miselimination to win.

The only reasons I think scum would no kill is if they knew they being tracked and didnt want to be incriminated
Or someone on the council wanted to look like they were cleared because, if scum knew who was being protected they could just kill around it. The clearing WIFOM for anyone of these three is theoretically enough to make it to end game

[Artemiana]

It's a high risk, high reward play to get partner T-bone to get a seat into the council over townie rookie goddess because come tonight, scum will now have insight to what the council is planning on doing-which makes anything they do invalid

Let's not forget that this had happened yesterday.

I want you to really think about the position T-Bone was in last night

I think, at the very least, the ideal council for today would be one of you/BM, me, one of yessus/enchant.

[Artemiana]

You must have caught my slip, the paranoia over my slot makes no sense otherwise

over half the players hadn't checked in, in about a day and you hammered. Okay.

really scummy undertone here, TBonito, this sounds like you're secretly glad he actually hammered so you wouldn't have to do the deed yourself

like, actually the fuck is wrong with yall, the fact that you'd rather kill A50 over nono is mind boggling to me

hey A50, guess what, you should've just hardlurked, because who knows, maybe, maybe you'll make a miraculous comeback and solve the game god knows when, so let's kill someone else who's way more experienced and way more easy to sort later on

that's a big YIKERS

Do you really think that yessus!scum posts these post hammer?

Why tie himself to the dead scumbuddy?

[Artemiana]

That said, I want to talk to at least one of you about what happened last night in depth, where scum cant see what's going on

[Artemiana]

That said, I want to talk to at least one of you about what happened last night in depth, where scum cant see what's going on

Why you want hide it? If that's talking, i can't see how it would be secret. Track is useless. Protect as well, and if mafia hit protect, mafia already know.

So what?

The less information scum get, the better. What are your thoughts on the ideal council

[Artemiana]

What do you think about A50 kicking me off council and that being the catalyst for the A50 elimination?

[Artemiana]

You must have caught my slip, the paranoia over my slot makes no sense otherwise

over half the players hadn't checked in, in about a day and you hammered. Okay.

really scummy undertone here, TBonito, this sounds like you're secretly glad he actually hammered so you wouldn't have to do the deed yourself

like, actually the fuck is wrong with yall, the fact that you'd rather kill A50 over nono is mind boggling to me

hey A50, guess what, you should've just hardlurked, because who knows, maybe, maybe you'll make a miraculous comeback and solve the game god knows when, so let's kill someone else who's way more experienced and way more easy to sort later on

that's a big YIKERS

To try to save your buddy. If scum is eliminated D1 the game becomes very townsided
Do you really think that yessus!scum posts these post hammer?

Why tie himself to the dead scumbuddy?

Took a while to find your answer, but that happened post hammer, how does he save his buddy post hammer

[Artemiana]

What do you think about A50 swapping tbone out for me

[Artemiana]

Or you know what I mean

[Artemiana]

Like guys

I would appreciate it if everyone didnt ignore the big ol wolly mammoth yesterday

[Artemiana]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

[Artemiana]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

I hammered in every game with BM (one time with his ask). I dunno why he didn't warn you.

But simple logic.

He placed Mafia to E-1, fully knowing there's me.

Hmm

BM, thoughts on this?

Pedit: nvr mind

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, artemiana, Enchant

[Artemiana]

Mozzy, why do you keep voicing the fact that you don't want me in the council, and that I'm maybe scum here and not outright fighting it, or voting me in despite feeling weird about me?

[Artemiana]

Though I do gotta say, you have refreshing honesty even if it is a little weird

[Artemiana]

Raya jumped on after I started bringing A50 into the light, and after I placed a compromise vote on yessus.

[Artemiana]

Can we keep yesiree and mozamis off of all councils, please?

You're clipping both my wings and asking me to fly here. Aside from them two, I only have you as a

confident

TR. And -even worse- I am not allowed to heal myself, so I can't even use the global TR on BM option to complete my trio.

Well, the closest to a TR aside from the above is Raya I guess, and I won't fight against an Enchant council membership, but then I feel like I'm "giving in" and when that happens I am highly likely to misread a scumster as a townie.

Wait! That does look like a read list of some sort. Let me try to put it in a more readable form:

T-Bone/mozamis
yessiree

BM/Raya/Enchant

Nono/Artemiana

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

Mmm...

Why do you do this?

Like...

You start off passive aggressive and then out of no where it's like OH NO, NONONO PLZPLZPLZ

OLZPLZPLZ LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Why do you continue to play the woe is me card? Even when you went against the council you thought BM and I were both scum which is pretty ridiculous imo. Considering you successfully kicked me off, I would imagine you have the capacity to push this much harder?

ISO me. You and Nono are my 2 main suspects. The two at the very bottom of my reads. I didn't even keep it a secret.

These posts capture my interest,

[Artemiana]

UNVOTE:

[Artemiana]

I do acknowledge that you were adamant in taking a spot in the council, and I do acknowledge that you fought for the better part of D1 a spot in the council.

What I mean, when I say A50 played a major role in swapping out you for me is the fact that the Arte/raya/BM council was at L1 and BM wasnt on the wagon.

Before BM could come on and hammer, he made a big commotion about how he didn't want both me and BM on the council because he thought that we were making both scum elimination proof that day.

All of a sudden, the entire wagon had changed within the span of a few minutes

That said, that was a plan I wanted to suggest after A50 flipped so yeah

[Artemiana]

@ Arte your posts Today seem really town for what it's worth, "game solvy".

Well ok, but I don't really care about this. It feels like a post made to placate me

[Artemiana]

Dear Arte,
I hope you are well.
Re: Almost wanting you off the council:
Like i said it is WIFOM. Which is probably why Almost did it. Like when scum give a reads list shortly before they are lynched, knowing peope will look over it. Causes confusion, gets people talking about it.
And Lo! We are talking about it.
Also quite likely that Almost just wanted to appear to be doing SOMETHING. "Oh, how town of Almost to give out a clear request like that".
As to the WIFOM side of things, I lean towards it clearing you, because most scum probably don't want to draw this much attentionto their scum buddies. But wifomy, so you are not completely cleared.
You're more cleared by your efforts Today.
Yours sincerely,
Lynch Bait Moz.

I laughed really hard at this, though.

I get this, but it's a strong niggling feeling in the back of my mind. A50 was fine and content to be passive, and "this is where I'm at, ok? W/e" and not push any strong position until the council was almost hammered, and having a strong voice against the council is what ultimately got him eliminated.

It was a high risk, high reward play so like why would he do it if there was no reward?

He had a high chance of surviving to see today without pulling that stunt. That's where my biggest concern lies

[Artemiana]

HEAL: Tbone, enchant, arte

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Artemiana, Enchant [/vote]

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Artemiana, Enchant

[Artemiana]

BM, arte, enchant is hammered

[Artemiana]

Last night's council is probably all town for various reasons. How about...

VOTE: Nono

[Artemiana]

Eh? No killing is stupid?

No killing is stupid when you know that you can get away with the No kill.

No killing is also stupid when you have a decent chance to beleive that you won't be the target.

If I were scum on the council, I would opt to kill Yessiree to remove the conftown

[Artemiana]

Right now its 1:7

Last night, it was 1:7

If a kill happened today we would be at 1:6

If scum kill, they reduce the amount of eliminations needed to win by half. If yessus was killed last night,

Tbone
BM
Raya

Would probably all be suspect

But

1:6
1:4
1:2

The scum on council could safely eliminate the other two before entering Lylo

Or they could eliminate off council once before Elo and they have a solid chance to win at Elo

[Artemiana]

You kill conftown as it happens on lylo depending on things you might have to deal with one existing

[Artemiana]

Actually, it becomes a vanilla set up on d4 so no. All conf town will be gone

[Artemiana]

I don't think it is a good idea to no kill.

My assumption is that scum did kill last night, but they targeted BM

[Artemiana]

Under that assumption, Yessiree would have been tracked to the failed kill and thus under that assumption, yessiree is conftown

[Artemiana]

You think tbone would choose to no kill know he isn't tracked?

[Artemiana]

Wifi issues here. Hoped to resolve soon but hopefully I won't be gone for too long

[Artemiana]

Ngl

I think you/BM is tvt. I don't understand why you were hammered over Nono

[Artemiana]

Wifi issues here. Hoped to resolve soon but hopefully I won't be gone for too long

[Artemiana]

Besides the fact that I am still experiencing those issues, and I've flipped on tbone scum a long time ago and have been pushing for that to he town, and my preferred wagon nono as scum, I mean...

[Artemiana]

Besides the fact that I am still experiencing those issues, and I've flipped on tbone scum a long time ago and have been pushing for that to he town, and my preferred wagon nono as scum, I mean...

I'm trying to figure out which goddess you are supposed to be so I can make fun of your bootleg internet but the closest search result I got (Artemia) was Brine Shrimp

I am the daughter of apollo!

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, yessus, arte

That's what I feel like today's council pick should be in any scenario.

Based off what had happened last night, my bet would be that scum is outside of the council, and that scum tried, and failed to put a kill through. We have a clear, and this is what is going on in my mind in thoughts to that.

Enchant brought up the idea that, we hold onto the clear so the kill tonight would be telling.

At the same time, if, the past two nights the remaining scum is outside the council, I want everyone to give their ideas on what they think should be done today.

Let's also keep in mind that At0

also[/i[ didnt want BM in the council D1 and fought against him just as much as he fought against me being in the council.

I'm Inclined to tr BM based on that

[Artemiana]

I'm taking about N1.I think scum tried to kill BM. It doesn't make sense for scum to nk one night and then perform the kill the following night

[Artemiana]

HEAL: Raya, Art, Moz
I could switch Moz for Nono

I don't like this one at all

[Artemiana]

Also nope.

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Yessus, Nono

If you are town moz... Read content

[Artemiana]

Nono is track cleared let's move on

[Artemiana]

The way I see it, scum is between

Yessus, Moz, Raya

If were going to go with the theory that scum tried to kill both N1 and N2 then it's obviously going to be Mozzyman Cuz like

Yessus would be cleared, and Raya would know who to shoot.

Between the three that were on the council D1 I would count on Raya playing the WIFOM game here because of the fact that, she is the only one that A50 did not have any comments on at any point of.the day. I also don't remember much of what Raya had to say about A50 either.

That aside, the actions Raya did d2 and her failure to clarify what had happened in the council thread and let BM and Tbone have a he said she said fight was incredibly weird and worth looking into

[Artemiana]

As it stands raya is a paranoia push. It's all makes sense for the game to end after Moza dies and if not then we'll go down that road then

[Artemiana]

HEAL: nono, art, yessir

[Artemiana]

What are your thoughts on d1? What are the odds of scum No killing N1 and killing N2?

[Artemiana]

I will accept council members consisting of Nono, Yessus, and BM outside of myself. Everyone is off

[Artemiana]

HEAL: nono, mozami, yessir

rethinking, maybe,, it’s controversial, but the safest choice, imo

Why? what makes you think council has been infiltrated at least one time? Who do you think all signs point to?

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Yessus, Nono

Probably the best bet for council. Let's not play wifom until we have to actually play wifom. More than likely scum tried to shoot both nights and hit protection N1

AND if we're gonna go with the notion that scum no killed N1 and was on the council N2 so they felt safe then like, I shouldn't be voted into N3 council.

Either way it's highly likely that scum wasn't in the N1 council.

[Artemiana]

Tonight is the last night for council. No protection is the play here and track is up to the group but I think it should be either me or raya tonight

[Artemiana]

It also means they are off the elimination pool

[Artemiana]

Guhguhguhguh

@mod BM prod and possibly an extension please?

Also the theory was originally rayas but despite thinking of such a theory she doesn't budge on her scum read of me

[Artemiana]

VOTE: Mozamis

[Artemiana]

I'll hammer if needed, we got a few more days. I would prefer to hear from BM first

[Artemiana]

I still think we should vote mozamis today for strange interactions wih A50.
Unless scum no killed I'm conftown. Nono is track cleared. Arte is very towny
HEAL: T3, nono, Arte

Okay, I am up to date.

Nono is full cleared by the council.
Artemiana and

Battle Mage

T3 are almost full cleared in my mind, given Almost50 trying to get either of them off the council, and then the two of them pushing Almost50 out of the game.


That just leaves me, Yessiree, Raya.

I think Raya is the least suspicious of the 3. They were on the N1 councll, and could have easily gotten a kill in. Then on Day2 they were the only player trying to mediate BM and Tbone, where a scum player could have just sat back and let town tear itself apart.

IMO, everything lines up for Yessiree to be scum. He was not on the Almost50 wagon. There was no kill the night he was tracked. He was 3rd on the TBone wagon, stayed there until it passed, then started Day 2 by immediately saying BattleMage's logic for pushing TBone was bad. He could have safely assumed he was not going to be tracked two days in a row, so a night 2 kill would have been safe for him.

I know that

Moz

I am town, but tbh, it is hard to build a solid case for it. I disagreed with so many of the stances moz took . Light case being, they were the only person other then Raya chiming in during the Battle Mage v Tbone argument, and they kept insisting it was TvT. Scum Moz would have wanted the consensus to end on SvT.


Overall, I think that the best choice would be for us to vote out Yessiree, or if people are more suspicious of me, lets go ahead and vote me out, and then everyone vote Yes tomorrow. I think that the worst possible plan is to let us get to a 1v3 with both me and Yessiree alive, because I would be the easiest target for Scum-Yessiree to push town towards, and Yessiree would be the easiest target for scum-me to push town towards.

VOTE: Yessiree
HEAL: Artemiana, T3, Nono

Well that was one of my original council options and who I wanted elimed the most so I'm happy with that

HEAL: nono, art, T3

If you read through the start of day 2, a lot of players mention No-Kill-ing being a good strategy on night 1. Especially for anyone off of Almost50s wagon, because they were the ones likely to be tracked. At then end of Day 1, I would have guessed that either Moz or Yes were being tracked, which would have made a kill from either of us dangerous.

IMO, is it more likely that the mafia no-killed N1, or that on N1 happened to try to kill the same person that the the Council targeted to protect? When the mafia had 7 targets and the Council had 8. Assuming both were shot out randomly, that is a 1.4% chance of them landing on the same target.

And this is why TBone was correct that using the Doctor ability was a bad strategy. People are assuming Yess is town because he did not move when he was tracked, but because the doctor was in place, it does not actually clear him at all.

Oh, that makes sense. HEAL: T3, nono, arte
UNVOTE: Lukewarm

That's hammer I think.

Lukewarm is the best Elim if we go to night, then it the doc/track thing from N1 can be entertained

[Artemiana]

Why are we eliminating yesus over Moz slot

[Artemiana]

Ugh

VOTE: yessus

Let's hope this counts. I still don't understand why were going after yessus over BM.

talking about scum nking n1 is wifom and shouldn't have been entertained unless necessary

[Artemiana]

Ohmaigod

Ohmaigodohmaigodohmaigod

I cant believe it

[Artemiana]

It sucked that i didnt have a dead PT to spew in but. Omg

I probably wouldnt have ever guessed BM/T3