Micro 1002: Dark Waltz III - Game Over!

[Ydrasse]

you put your right leg in

you put your right leg out

you put your right leg in and you shake it all about

you do the hokey pokey and you beg the lord for death

that’s what it’s all abooouuuut!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

i’d like to hold hands and dance with oka this game

[Ydrasse]

his reaction immediately after mom’s lolpairing pinged me immediately tbh but the sentiment behind 43 felt towny

even if it shouldn’t i FEEL it

[Ydrasse]

also on that note i don’t get why moms rushing to pair but i think everyone’s said that and while i get the urge to auto accept or form pairs that’s objectively a Bad Idea

[Ydrasse]

or maybe i just don’t have the urge bc i want a cloistered secret rendezvous with one person and not two

[Ydrasse]

yeah i did!

but i felt the same + wanted to vocalize what i’m thinking

[Ydrasse]

I will not propose to anyone and I will accept at last minute

why did you feel a need to announce it like this?

[Ydrasse]

also on that note i don’t get why moms rushing to pair but i think everyone’s said that and while i get the urge to auto accept or form pairs that’s objectively a Bad Idea

i think the urge is fine and the reasoning she wants to go with people she knows is fine too. but the first excuse she gave when questioned weren't any of those things, it was 45, which is like a non-reason y'know. is town actually concerned about not meeting a 5 day deadline right at the start of the game?

hmm

i guess probably not? but in my head i’m like that is such an obvious thing to manifest faux concern for that like...

in my head i didn’t feel like it was scummy but that it was lying if that makes sense? like if she wanted to be teamed with people she liked more than wanting it to be alignment indicative and lied about it to look better LMAO

[Ydrasse]

this setup is actually nice because it feels better in theory to be able to reach a consensus poe of 3 to vote out than 2 and then not have them have any counter play to town grooving together

pooky i like this

[Ydrasse]

I will not propose to anyone and I will accept at last minute

why did you feel a need to announce it like this?

Born this way

okay valid tbh

[Ydrasse]

i think i’d personally lie about stuff being useful to town if i just wanted to do it for fun if i was feeling self conscious

but actually i don’t see mom as that kinda player

[Ydrasse]

so what is a talking point so far then?

[Ydrasse]

and how does that make you FEEL

*takes notes*

[Ydrasse]

oka and sans how would you feel about hand holding and prancing with me this game

[Ydrasse]

unwnd you seem ornery

p-edit erm... both?

[Ydrasse]

oka and sans how would you feel about hand holding and prancing with me this game

only if we backflip during the prance.

you seem fine but i'm not sure about your tinfoil reasoning about mara being town who's lying rather it her just being scum that's lying. unsure if you really believe that.

i didn’t jump to her being scum because it didn’t like... give me pings? it’s objectively Bad to do what she did but i didn’t have anything that set me off in the same way that oka’s initial reaction did

[Ydrasse]

tbh i dont know who noraa is but from what i hear she is supposed to be this super obvtown player that is immediately obvtown and basically what im saying is if u arent obvtown we should kill u :0

I'm not Noraa. Just here to dance.

would u like to dance

[Ydrasse]

I really really doubt anyone here would be going for the phase 1 win

You have Aaron (who has the same avatar I did for that one game I played with Maria) who has said multiple times 'I'm just here to dance'

This a chat flirty flooze and mafia second

i just want you to know that 1) you’re right it is and 2) i laughed very hard despite knowing this

[Ydrasse]

okay well admittedly i don't know what i would wear to a 3 person dance so let's pretend it's 2 and i'd wear like, right now my mood is something blue maybe, and swishy, so i can be twirled around

[Ydrasse]

my vote was ironic at first but now srs - put me in a hood with ydrasse and I'll leave right away no wifom

y

[Ydrasse]

LMAO

[Ydrasse]

i guess i cant do anything fun in games anymore w/o it being scummy which is real Cool.

p-edit yeah sure.

[Ydrasse]

its more the fact that its shitty to be told that im scummy for doing xyz for my own enjoyment anymore

[Ydrasse]

like i dont get to have fun it feels like without people being "u did this as scum" and its like

ok kill me then? and then i hope you realize how wrong and dumb this is

[Ydrasse]

okay then so what do you read from me posting right now then beyond just "shitposting bad"

go on

[Ydrasse]

not overblown when this keeps happening to me when im trying to have fun

[Ydrasse]

which like whatever cool i get it i did it as scum but its like

its just so fucking frustrating

[Ydrasse]

idk

mad hatter probably always in the team right now
harley depending on what she poss is either hard scum or hard town
unwnd cantankerous and idk if hes just lashing out as town or just acting Like That to hope for townreads idk

if everyoe else thinks mom is scummy for what she reacted w sure i guess but i still didnt get scumpings from her

p-edit: do u think koba is scum then also im going to be upset about this so like. sorry, idk, i just want o have fun

[Ydrasse]

i cant remember if aarons posted anything gamerelated but i want to dance w him in my nice dress so im vetoing that

[Ydrasse]

peepo

let's do this

[Ydrasse]

i'm pretty sure that putting the 3 scummiest people in a pool and voting them out is... fine?

[Ydrasse]

trying to sort in a hood is always fun in theory and i enjoy it but in practice, specifically to this game, that can just fuck us over if we're not transparent with what we're doing?

[Ydrasse]

independently of your read on him, do you think that trying to put 3 scummy people into a team and force-elimming them is bad?

i agree with oka that the plan he has is good, but if he's scum the issue then is to figure out a better pool, not trying to do something else

[Ydrasse]

we get to make pairs after we elim anyways, so like

we scumhunt, worst case (save for the game ending on a 3 town elim LMAO) we get like, 1 scum or something? pair time, we can gauge how good/useful the pools were after the fact, you can pair up permanently with someone you tr, etc etc

i just dont think trying to do anything other than that plan is good atm

[Ydrasse]

my read of oka btw is independent of the plan (ie town)

[Ydrasse]

i like the word independent today wew

[Ydrasse]

what do you mean it requires testing...?

[Ydrasse]

like, you're saying that that's what should be happening regardless so i'm confused where the issue is here

[Ydrasse]

ahh okay, sorry, i was getting more of a distaste for the plan itself than that

who would you wanna poe-pool right now unwnd?

[Ydrasse]

ahh okay, sorry, i was getting more of a distaste for the plan itself than that

who would you wanna poe-pool right now unwnd?

Right now sans/koba/aaron? With Aaron being there because he doesn't seem inclined to do much

what abt the other two?

[Ydrasse]

Hmm, a brief read of what has transpired and led me to a number of conclusions. OkaPoka is welcome at my table, as is Ydrasse. Mother Dearest needs to be much muchier. DkKoba has my love and support in their ongoing unfortunatlities, however, can remain within the dark pool, should they wish to be a hero then they will have ample opportunity. Aaron has a sense of the ruin upon them. I would offer Sans a seat at the table, however, some may have a bone to pick.

why am i welcome at your table? you're one of the people i'd put in the group to be elimmed rn so what do you find towny about me?

[Ydrasse]

calling them babysitters makes me laugh harder than it should

[Ydrasse]

okay so first

what does "honestly ???" mean in this?

[Ydrasse]

...will you talk to me about them aaron?

:>

[Ydrasse]

Hmm, a brief read of what has transpired and led me to a number of conclusions. OkaPoka is welcome at my table, as is Ydrasse. Mother Dearest needs to be much muchier. DkKoba has my love and support in their ongoing unfortunatlities, however, can remain within the dark pool, should they wish to be a hero then they will have ample opportunity. Aaron has a sense of the ruin upon them. I would offer Sans a seat at the table, however, some may have a bone to pick.

why am i welcome at your table? you're one of the people i'd put in the group to be elimmed rn so what do you find towny about me?

Begging your pardon miss, but my read upon you is not based upon your read upon me. I find your overall carefree and enjoyable nature to be genuine and without ulterior motive.

potential babysitters if not in deathpool:
okapoka, harley, ydrasse, unwnd

potential wildcards if not in deathpool:
koba, aaron

honestly ??? if not in deathpool
sans, mom, hatters

I would consider myself much more of a wildcard. It's generally considered unwise to give a child tea.
With that in consideration and your post following up your explanations, you will find I am most agreeable in terms of votes. I am no so easily swayed in my desires tae see dae ruuin o dae bluudy big haed.
For what it is worth, I have no intention of playing the hero, that is a job for Alice, not I. I simply make the hats, and pour the tea.

also: so, you find me carefree, but like... does me not pushing you/scumreading you bother you at all??

like, if you're town, shouldn't you be sitting there and wondering "huh, i wonder why this person is doing this if they're town"?

maybe you did this internally already but i didn't see any process in this read and tbh 'enjoyable' is sweet but it's not really a reason to townread me

[Ydrasse]

...will you talk to me about them aaron?

:>

why yes my dear. which book would you like to open?
Dkkoba?
Ydrasse?
Sans?
Poka poka?

me/koba as top two tr, harley/oka as top two sr

how'd you get to where you did on those?

(also u never said if u liked my outfit description btw and now i'm self conscious .....)

[Ydrasse]

okay well admittedly i don't know what i would wear to a 3 person dance so let's pretend it's 2 and i'd wear like, right now my mood is something blue maybe, and swishy, so i can be twirled around

HMPH

[Ydrasse]

Such a greedy girl but alright.
This fair lady has had many chances to win my heart over with some simple and easy AtE straight out of the Ydrasse guide yet she has not.
The feisty little one has been the most blunt and uncharming little mushroom with their words. I find that adorably charming.
The bird who lacks fashion has barely any friends or enemies that were not suggested or hinted at by someone else.
And the girl with the bat is just not to my taste.

the WHAT NOW??

okay i guess my ate isn't cute enough for you i'm even out here describing my dress and stuff for you but FINE

in other news, why is blunt/uncharming towny in this situation? like, attitude wise i get that it isn't conducive to not getting thrown in the scumpool but do you think that koba's been trying to solve this so far despite that?

and i'm still +slightly town on oka just for their passion this game LOL, and i think that he's trying to really band together the best wincon for everyone and trying to bludgeon through this plan of his which is 1) correct and 2) i might be a bit biased here, but it reminds me a lot of when i had a plan in another game and people were fighting against it and i got really like, energetic/heated about it and i get that same sort of vibe for oka. i don't think he should be elimmed today

for harley, i'm not getting any hard townpings yet from her so i'd be down to throw her into the elim pool as it stands

okay well admittedly i don't know what i would wear to a 3 person dance so let's pretend it's 2 and i'd wear like, right now my mood is something blue maybe, and swishy, so i can be twirled around

HMPH

That sounds like a beautiful outfit, dear.

...thank you though, hmph......

Ydra why were you townreading sans? Or if you still are, I really just don't see it

so in truth i'm not the best at reading him and often end up erring towards scumreading usually out of paranoia more times than not, so take this with a grain of salt. at the beginning i thought that he sounded good and fun (and also i would like to dance with him regardless of his alignment :>), but right now i'm null on him? and because of that i don't want to put him in the elim pool because i'd feel bad if he was scum and i just went "you aren't being towny enough for me" and then lost him this game

Such a greedy girl but alright.

This fair lady has had many chances to win my heart over with some simple and easy AtE straight out of the Ydrasse guide yet she has not.

The feisty little one has been the most blunt and uncharming little mushroom with their words. I find that adorably charming.
The bird who lacks fashion has barely any friends or enemies that were not suggested or hinted at by someone else.
And the girl with the bat is just not to my taste.

should ydrasse know your main? ydrasse do you know aaron's main?

no, i'm fairly bad at guessing alts and i have no clue who aaron is but apparently they know me?

[Ydrasse]

also i genuinely think its scummy that after pools are made that oka wants to hard focus on a single strategy and ignore dayplay - i would warrent that there are actually 3 town in their deathpool and we can safely clear the 3 and put oka in there with 2 other people

when/why did your read on aaron flip? you started the game off with a sr on them, was there a turning point?

[Ydrasse]

maybe scum are 5head it is koba/unwnd/mom ez clap

more like oka ydrasse Aaron

yea are hectic or nora scummy?

Koba, Unwnd. Would you like to dance with me?

Pedit: nora isn't playing i don't think

dance with sans and aaron

So these are the requests.

@Koba why make a request this early?

all will be revealed in due time but theres a strong possibility i push this pair for me through EoD

[Ydrasse]

what?

my read on you is literally “people think you’re scummy and i’m not quite getting the same read as everyone else but meh sure”

i don’t think that’s subtle at all??

[Ydrasse]

hatter/koba/mom works for me, i could take or leave harley currently; the first two slots are the most important to me and the third is a shrug

[Ydrasse]

i’ve been considering aaron for a bit because idk how well he knows me and if the tr on me is a pocket, and that most of his reads are meh to me, but i think i’d rather him stay for now

[Ydrasse]

my townreads right now are pretty loose but i wouldn’t compromise on oka/unwnd/sans currently?

[Ydrasse]

i wanna dance with oka and sans so we can solve actually, i will take unwnd TOO

and despite me not being sure on aaron, i’d be down to try and figure things out w him to see more where he’s coming from but i feel strongly rigjt now that i want the three above first

[Ydrasse]

i want to do that too but since we’re gonna have a thread overnight might as well pick who i want during that time as well

[Ydrasse]

yeah so long as no one tries to impersonate that was the impression i got from how this was gonna work

[Ydrasse]

Pretty curious that it's the two who are looking at you that you want dead. If I wasn't likely scum before my vla, what's changed

right now? the read that you have on me because i don’t get it and i don’t feel hedgy. and as i said you’re a compromise for me and not something i’m really chomping for

and i’ve already pointed out some things that i want koba to explain.

[Ydrasse]

like, also, if someone comes into the game and IMMEDIATELT pounces on me for something pretty dumb as actually tries to keep going with it, it’s not like i ignore that and go “oh silly town pushing me wrongly”, i think it was a gross way to try and make people unsure about me, and then there’s stuff now like kobas read on aaron i’m questioning

[Ydrasse]

still pref hatter barring a response to me

[Ydrasse]

???

[Ydrasse]

you think there’s 1 scum pushing you or all 3 because all 3 of us have you in our pool and like... do you actually think we all jump on you if we’re scum together??

[Ydrasse]

lmao o k

and why then are harley and hatters not in there

[Ydrasse]

what’s harley done thats towny?

[Ydrasse]

also how then can you feel comfortable differentiating between a town and scum hatters if they’re always going to act scummy?

[Ydrasse]

i ask specifically about harley because as a player she is Very town or very not, so i want you to give examples of why she’s town, what has she done for you to be that confident?

[Ydrasse]

also how then can you feel comfortable differentiating between a town and scum hatters if they’re always going to act scummy?

i have ways of reading players like that?

like? i can be like - yeah this is hard townrange here, and extrapolate their scumrange from there

do you actually feel confident enough to gauge hatters range from 1 game? was that a scum game?

[Ydrasse]

what’s harley done thats towny?

I suggested the heal/hurt lists.

what’s towny about that?

[Ydrasse]

that’s just a way of organization and says nothing to actual content??

[Ydrasse]

also @ hatter did you ever reply to 354?

[Ydrasse]

hi firebringer btw :>

[Ydrasse]

also @ hatter did you ever reply to 354?

No I did not, apologies.

also: so, you find me carefree, but like... does me not pushing you/scumreading you bother you at all??

like, if you're town, shouldn't you be sitting there and wondering "huh, i wonder why this person is doing this if they're town"?

maybe you did this internally already but i didn't see any process in this read and tbh 'enjoyable' is sweet but it's not really a reason to townread me

To elaborate further, you are acting without agenda and seem to be attempting to gauge the players individually based upon their efforts, tone, mannerisms and contributions and attempting to eliminate any sort of existing bias you may have, acknowledging it when you do.

I am no stranger to being read incorrectly. I have no reason to challenge your read currently given the basis of the other reads and methodology you have employed to form these reads.

That you are reading me in a negative light without attempting any sort of push upon me does force the question of motivation, given your overall approach, I have determined that you may simply lack the confidence in your read upon me when compared to reads you hold upon others.

how have i not pushed you though when i’ve had you in my death pool for most of the day? i’ve made it clear that i preferred you when it’s relevant and it was only not having this reply that kept me from really doing more with you?

idk it’s strange to me that you label me as unconfident on this read when its the complete opposite and that should be obvious (at least to me) from what i’ve been posting.

like i literally said my townreads were thre ones i was more unsure on

[Ydrasse]

like that makes more sense if nothing else but i’m still p weirded out because what i see rn is that i had to question/prod you on why you weren’t reconsidering me much before you actually did it?

[Ydrasse]

which like idk maybe you’re just really confident in your read on me but that’s why i want you in the deathpool over other people

[Ydrasse]

also firebringer when you’re around pls tell me how you read me thank u

[Ydrasse]

back to work WOOOOO

[Ydrasse]

I could see Ydrasse as scum at this point as well which is troublesome because I wanted to dance with her.

anything in particular ping you?

also i’m questioning the kobaread

[Ydrasse]

also i am not dancing with those two if i have any say

[Ydrasse]

youuuuu make me nervous bc idk who you are!!! and you know Me

[Ydrasse]

you are suave though don’t think otherwise ;>

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse can have a little flirting. as a treat

[Ydrasse]

what do you think abt my read on your slot fire?

p-edit oh damn words

[Ydrasse]

I have reason to believe you do in fact know who I am otherwise you wouldn't flirt with me in this playerlist would you?

i am just like this as a person

@hatter: you’re literally lying about our interactions/what i’m doing and when i’m home i’m going to reply but i have been directly engaging you with the things that bother me so i have no clue why you’re saying i’m failing to engage and sort you ?????

[Ydrasse]

scumread

[Ydrasse]

feeling really under the weather, will be around tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

grumble grumble would rather swap around the death pool a bit if i had it my way but i’ll go with sans/oka happily

[Ydrasse]

unbelievable, what if i wanted to dance with myself

propose oka/ydrasse

iiiiiii backflip happily as i

accept

[Ydrasse]

oh yeah last night i came to an epiphany about the deathpool id want while in the haze of cold medicine

fire and unwnd should always go into the deathpool together i think from their interactions, that’s never s/s but it doesn’t feel like t/s either

and despite the rep out i still actually don’t think fire’s slot is down, bc from what i remember it was actually koba who instigated that spat talking about how unwnd couldn’t read them, and from there it devolved but before repping out they were consistently trying to goad people into doing things

i could be wrong and it’s unwnd which, cool, still one scum but i feel decent about this and then + hatters (though i don’t think this’ll happen but meh, compromise elsewhere)

[Ydrasse]

i strongly disagree w that team

harley hasn’t felt especially towny to me like i expect but i also just finished a game where she was scum and she doesn’t feel like she does there either (especially fake) so i think i might be wrong on her?

[Ydrasse]

i haven’t forgotten about replying to hatters either but i’m on my 15 min break and i don’t have time atm to write up why i feel like they’re scummy, barring me taking more medicine when i go home i should be able to do that

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse u never did give me the guide to pocketting u.

pocket me by explaining your slot-ancestors actions

you are in luck though i have been exceptionally fond of puppies lately

[Ydrasse]

i strongly disagree w that team

harley hasn’t felt especially towny to me like i expect but i also just finished a game where she was scum and she doesn’t feel like she does there either (especially fake) so i think i might be wrong on her?

okay.

u, me, harley

in what world do i sign my death sentence like that hello??

[Ydrasse]

Yes.

[Ydrasse]

i strongly disagree w that team

harley hasn’t felt especially towny to me like i expect but i also just finished a game where she was scum and she doesn’t feel like she does there either (especially fake) so i think i might be wrong on her?

okay.

u, me, harley

in what world do i sign my death sentence like that hello??

the one where u acccept the thrill of a rollercoaster that is a pt with me. Obviously.

i mean am i supposed to think posts like this is towny?

[Ydrasse]

why does it concern you?

[Ydrasse]

you don’t know how i’m reading you

???

[Ydrasse]

hmmm

[Ydrasse]

if aaron = noraa that could’ve been a scummy altswitch quick idk how to feel about it being done like this

[Ydrasse]

noraa and San dance with me?

Plz accept, I need to be in noraas head

I had Aaron in my dead pool and like ugh

oh i hate this LMAO

[Ydrasse]

hey oka, wanna accept the dance w me and sans?

[Ydrasse]

hey oka, wanna accept the dance w me and sans?

HEY U

U DIDNT RESPOND TO MY LAST POST.

i at work and in the moment i’ll do it when i’m home

[Ydrasse]

hey oka, wanna accept the dance w me and sans?

well i kinda need to know if nancy is going to leave her trio if she gets stuck with unwnd

imo keep her out of a fire/unwnd dance and i think she would stay?

[Ydrasse]

noraa and San dance with me?

Plz accept, I need to be in noraas head

I had Aaron in my dead pool and like ugh

oh i hate this LMAO

I agree with you but hear me out. Momhas been WEIRD lately. Try to bear with her because she has been VERY scummy lately.

why should i bear w her if she’s being scummy...?

[Ydrasse]

it is actually important (at least to me) to know if you’re aaron

[Ydrasse]

okay so, here is why then i find you repping out and onto this account as something scummy,

to me, it was a fairly obvious Thing that you repped into your own slot and it wasn’t a stranger just because of it happening, and the speed of your reads. that you lied about it to use as a test feels... i dunno, it’s only after you got pressured on it that you told us feels more like being caught red handed and owning up to it.

you were on the cusp of being thrown into the dead pool; no one had any truly outstanding objections to you going in there from what i recall, not everyone wanted you but it was likely. and you, having a disconnect from this game apparently this entire time decided that now, right before we’re forced to start forming pools, you decided now was the time that you wanted to switch over. to me it’s damning because of the table, like. look at mom, you literally bought yourself a get out of jail card with her for now. to me, it feels like you did this because you thought that it could buy yourself some more time this game and pocket some people. that, and flipping on some reads/saying you lied about them also just feels like you’re using this rep in to flip things around for your benefit without having to back up a process on them

like sorry if you weren’t having fun on aaron (and regardless of alignment you probably weren’t) but the timing and execution of it feels super weird to me

[Ydrasse]

that being said i’m not sure if it’s you but i feel like with mom suddenly appealing to you to turn on oka one of you at least is scum, maybe both trying to save each other?

[Ydrasse]

you could have repped in as noraa when you realized it was unfun and not now when things are reaching deadline though

[Ydrasse]

..... hatters being kinda reasonable ..........

[Ydrasse]

why would he have done that?

[Ydrasse]

actually

propose to harley and ydrasse

why?

[Ydrasse]

i’m willing to hear you out on the why hatters

[Ydrasse]

i’m willing to hear you out on the why hatters

You are both my strongest town reads currently. I also believe you both may are thinking the same things as myself, or at least will be able to see my perspective and as a group I believe we should be a force to be reckoned with.

who do you want to kill right now?

[Ydrasse]

quinzel is harley

[Ydrasse]

Noraa, Harley, Hatters
Mom, fire doggo, Ydrasse
death pool

what are your cases for your death pool? i don’t see sans/oka as scum

[Ydrasse]

that’s not a case

i’m asking why you have the reads you have, not your opinion on my scumreads

i don’t wanna do the thing i did as fey on this >_>

[Ydrasse]

bbl

[Ydrasse]

fire/ydrasse/hatters if mom promises not to leave

again unwnd is straight up an actual IC on a scum fire flip and koba was scumread by most, ditching that win condition is not good

???????

[Ydrasse]

if you’re hedging on that of all pools after all this i’m going w hatters LMAO

[Ydrasse]

like in what world am i your compromise after all your posting i’m so ???

[Ydrasse]

maybe we should make a harley/ydrasse/sans dance grouping to commemorate fifths

unironically considering this

[Ydrasse]

what have i done thats scummy fire again?

[Ydrasse]

I'm so glad to see that Time still holds his grudge with me.

We have 24 hours remaining, Lady Quinzel I do apologise, I was wanting your input but the game state appears to be degrading more as we speak.

I wish to formally request a dance with the Lady Quinn and Lady Ydrasse.

accept

i should still be able to reply when i’m home but if not i’ll talk about my read on you privately

[Ydrasse]

not interested in dancing with harley and i, ydrasse?

i’ll do that too

[Ydrasse]

also my read on noraa is that i am too fucking exhausted by her this game to care, thought the aaron rep out was scummy but like, whatever at this point

[Ydrasse]

oh fuck you already did propose that sorry

[Ydrasse]

propose a backflip to Harley and Ydrasse

accept

harley can pick what she wants

[Ydrasse]

nora i get you’re passionate about this but you’re making this game unpleasant (at least for me) can you tone it down

[Ydrasse]

propose a backflip to Harley and Ydrasse

accept

harley can pick what she wants

Given the clarifications we have had previously, I believe this would negate your previous acceptance.

oh fuck

...

repropose it depending on harley

[Ydrasse]

nora i get you’re passionate about this but you’re making this game unpleasant (at least for me) can you tone it down

Oka keeps saying im scum and its ridiculous.

ok cool you think that but you’re being so draining right now
maybe consider the way you’re acting emotionally beckons some people to scumread you

[Ydrasse]

this is draining. i feel ketchup leaking out of my ribs.

i’m going to lick it up like a cat to a bone. literally.

[Ydrasse]

unwnd is a calm oasis in this hellpit of pages

[Ydrasse]

mom townreads firebringer so lol

[Ydrasse]

Ydra is here but not getting deeply involved in a whole lot of things. Its mostly gut, partly Poe but they are sitting off at the side not doing much and taking pot shots at people who are scum reading them

'mostly gut'

case me and show me where i haven't made what i want clear and show me where i haven't been trying to figure out the best solution for this day

also... what?

point out where please thanks! because the people i've been taking potshots at (ie scumreading) are people who have either been scummy or are literally townreading me.

[Ydrasse]

Ydra is here but not getting deeply involved in a whole lot of things. Its mostly gut, partly Poe but they are sitting off at the side not doing much and taking pot shots at people who are scum reading them

'mostly gut'

case me and show me where i haven't made what i want clear and show me where i haven't been trying to figure out the best solution for this day

also... what?

point out where please thanks! because the people i've been taking potshots at (ie scumreading) are people who have either been scummy or are literally townreading me.

specifically: hatters, who i've wanted dead most of the day until recently, noraa who i explained i thought was scummy also thinks i'm towny, and then firebringer is the one who scumreads me but that's a consensus read. his slot is scummy, koba was shitstirring, and firebringer is literally trying to make chaos everywhere except the places he wants to pocket (nora)

like WHAT?

[Ydrasse]

i need like five minutes of unedited, uncensorred ydrasse so we can go at it like donkey kong.

i cant im too toxic . i play league

[Ydrasse]

im fine with leaving unwnd out if everyone feels good about fire flipping scum, i feel its safer to have them both in a team + 1 with them to ensure we get at least 1 scumflip between the two

but also we can live risky

[Ydrasse]

part of the painful part is having to kill friends sometimes

[Ydrasse]

i get that, it does feel pretty bad and ive suffered from the same

[Ydrasse]

Ydras top two scum reads are literally

Myself and FB who repped in for Koba.

Both of those top reads compromise of the people who want her gone the most. She doesn't even have a read on FB himself, it's all contingent on her Koba read

my top scumreads for most of this game have been koba/fire and hatters, and those are the people i was most adamant on keeping.

do you scumread everyone else for thinking fire's scum. what has he done to get you to townread him this strongly? what to you makes him seem towny when the person in his slot before them was intentionally going after people to rile them up. and now he's literally just trying to fight to live, not really solving

like, i am pretty sure i said earlier 1 of you/noraa was scum based on your weird turnaround as soon as she arrived. you went from wanting that slot dead to going "oh no noraa can't go, i need to get in her head" . that doesn't make you my top scumread and you're literally sitting here doing the most you can to try and save firebringer when everyone else sees that he's scum

[Ydrasse]

like holy fuck you see everyone else looking at this slot going "wow, this is scum, we need to kill it"

and then you think that it's because i'm being scumread by that slot that i want to kill it and not seeing literally everything they've done this game?

[Ydrasse]

idk man if everyone else is wrong on firebringer might wanna start looking into that but your reads are fucking upside down

[Ydrasse]

like, fire is just going to flip scum, if he doesnt fine i'm the fool but i feel confident that he's just going to flip scum and we're worrying about hedging for no reason

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse i see what you mean about fire, i agree probably scum, but do you see why we might need to hedge our bets a little?

if you absolutely want to hedge something you throw in unwnd because like i've said, that earlier interaction is never s/s, but i don't think it's t/t. and that's literally flipping the coin to make sure you get at least 1 of them but fire is literally the scummy one out of those two so i dont. like.

idk i really dont care about hedging right now!!

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse if fire flips red do you think unwnd is always town?

that's a really weird fight for them to be having in the thread like that if they're s/s and i don't think koba would be trying to rile up unwnd like that and have it become toxic like that

so, yes

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse if everyone but mom wants me dead that means scum wants me dead too. so ur statement could easily be flipped.

i think scum aren't gonna get much from my death if they think my death will get them a victory tho

if your partners are bussing cool easier for me to get you out at this point

[Ydrasse]

idk man if everyone else is wrong on firebringer might wanna start looking into that but your reads are fucking upside down

If this is towards me I am fine with being wrong lol

it wasn't at you it was at mom

[Ydrasse]

i genuinely do not think that group exists

my other ~hedge~ for that if youre including the two of them is noraa because i think it's 1 scum in mom/noraa but that never goes through and i physically do nto want to fight for that

[Ydrasse]

you should accept me/sans so we can relive last game together

[Ydrasse]

me unwnd hatters maybe?

i will be fucking furious if you put me in the death group with fire after all of this just because you want to “hedge” on something when i’ve literally been saying hey we need to kill him all day

[Ydrasse]

i literally get shitpushed at the beginning of this game for trying to have fun and i end up dying with that same slot

Very Cool!

i’m not going in that deathpool.

[Ydrasse]

wow guys playing with noraa is really fun

why the fuck are you putting me in the group to die?

like literally for some fucking compromise?

[Ydrasse]

and so literally me screaming for us to kill him all day

means i have to die with him?

very cool game

[Ydrasse]

like cool i’ve been trying to make this be the thing that goes through and consolation prize fuck you for playing!

[Ydrasse]

harley wants to go with nora and sans and you’re like yep unwnd you hatters and just like

idk this fucking sucks

[Ydrasse]

i’m not going in that deathpool.

please use correct nomenclature. we are calling it a deadpool.

can you fuck off please?

[Ydrasse]

i’m sorry i feel really bad for getting upset over a game like this

[Ydrasse]

why are you making those sort of comments to him? he doesnt deserve that at all

[Ydrasse]

i’m honestly over this game too

[Ydrasse]

..... hatters being kinda reasonable ..........

Yeah. What do you make of Oka? Like it’s so bad he wants to kill Noraa. Even if I leave, it’s a terrible decision.

okas town and literally none of you are getting that and idk how you think he’s scum at this point after everything he’s tried to do

[Ydrasse]

i hate that rep in this game genuinely for how it happened and it was scummy and i don’t blame oka for thinking it was scummy because i literally cased it as scummy

[Ydrasse]

oka, it’s genuinely not worth your emotional energy to engage with her. i promise

[Ydrasse]

sorry for getting upset.

[Ydrasse]

i just like. i guess. to me i don’t understand why unwnd and i are different when it comes to fire at this point and it feels bad because to me it feels arbitrary that you’re taking one of us and not the other

[Ydrasse]

and i get that you have your reasons and it’s not personal but it feels shitty that i would die for solving if fire flips scum

[Ydrasse]

because realistically that group with him does get voted out so like. yeah

[Ydrasse]

for fun id go with oka/fire but i can’t for winning game

[Ydrasse]

okay so, full disclosure: i wasn’t active during the night phase for this game, but harley and sans were in our pt

sans had his lowest read as fire, and then hatters, and then me. however, he was trying to convince me and harley to vote out hatters/unwnd/noraa despite having a very firm read on fire

his logic was that fire’s group had only fire as scum, which he seemed sure of, and then either unwnd or hatters could be scum, or me and harley

which is fine in theory, he’s right that it’s 1-2 per group, but given he leans me and harley as scum, i dont get why in the night he spent time trying to appeal to us to vote out the unwnd/hatters/noraa group when he seems more certain today that it’s me and harley

harley seemed skeptical of it and she wasn’t really biting, and like i said i wasn’t around to interact with him, but given the fact that that was his push all night, i’m pretty sure he’s mafia

this looks dumb since he posted before me but i already had this in mind all morning and this was the first time i could post it

[Ydrasse]

oh i misread, he thinks it’s hatters

[Ydrasse]

would you like to dance to the death, ydrasse

my love says yes my pride says no

in an ideal world id dance with unwnd but he thinks it’s one of us

[Ydrasse]

my logic from before the night phase regarding you/fire still stands strong

[Ydrasse]

also, i want to double check Later on when exactly sans started townreading noraa and whether or not it was before or after she started thinking he was scummy for not tring her

[Ydrasse]

While I'm here though I'd like to thoughtrant about your slot Ydra. There are some instances in this game that stand out to me, like your interaction with Koba before they repped out. This specific instance is not what is telling to me rather I think you replicate that behavior to others when you're accused. There's just a lot of 'oh well fuck this game' or you seem a bit sulky/temperamental towards people killing your vibe or whatever. That all plays into this fine emotion that sans himself has said you're pretty good at faking. Should I be lead to believe that your natural response is to be this way if you feel someone is wronged you, or that you would lean into your own sensibilities more as scum? I remember Hectic v Flavor Leaf and I gave a lazy ass townread on you for your emotional presence, but then you'd feel responsible to actually trying to fake solve inbetween which I feel like you know is just awkward.

So my problem relates to the fact I'm seeing a lot of emotional behavior, which is something you're good at. Something that would definitely get you townread in a tight situation. If you're town I'd like to hope things don't have to be so apprehensive? And if you genuinely felt like people were killing your vibe me personally I don't feel that way but I do need to read you and a lot of that vibeness to me doesn't seem like a valid way of doing so. I'd just be making the same mistake as FL v Hectic.

i don’t fake my emotions when i play, is the thing. i feel them and i decide what i want to do with them in the terms of a game; i can happy and cheerful or sad and frustrated as either alignment. and sometimes it’s hard for me to really control that and it spews out into the game whether or not i really want it to. yes i could not post but sometimes that’s just not the case of what happens in actuality

in this context i was already in a bit of a weird mood and then it spiraled and i got upset and i’m still sorry for it because i feel i made this game worse as a whole for how i reacted


i don’t know if this answers your question but none of what i feel is faked basically and that probably makes it harder to read me as a whole when i do get emotional but that’s just who i am as a person

[Ydrasse]

Gonna do some rereading sooner or later.

I acknowledge your response Ydra but I'd like to know a bit more where your head is at in terms of reads? I recall you mentioning that you've flipped your read on Sans and now thinks he's scum. Whatever you wanna talk about

right now it boils down to, in essence, 1 of sans + hatters/harley which is like... expected, probaby?

i've already explained that i think that you're town through your interactions with fire/koba, and i don't wanna dwell there. noraa is... i think i'm predisposed to scumreading her, and i think i was frustrated with how she entered the game which was why i wasn't as sold on her being town as everyone else thought she was. waiting until that late to switch when you're having these issues in a table where people like you/will townread you off of like... very emotional/aggressive behavior (which is something else that i think contributed to me getting emotional, because i find it uhhhhh. kinda toxic admittedly, but i don't think this is the time or place to engage with that at all). what's more credible for her as town currently is that, other than the flips making her townier, 2/3 people in my scumpool are trying to dance with her right now knowing that she's towny; these are two people (or at least one, i have a guess on who the other person is) are people who would be able to pocket her i think, through their bonds; like, noraa is stubborn and if they somehow get her to believe that they're town i don't think noraa would leave them at any point. i think that hatters has marginally more standing to dance with noraa because they had the night pt together which hopefully noraa used to try and sort them, and i would be like. more okay with them.

actually thinking through this it doesn't have to be sans, or if it is it's slightly more likely to be sans + harley than it is sans + hatter, because i dunno why he would ask to dance with hatter if they were scum together knowing the situation. that, and hatters wanting harley to dance with them and being pretty concrete about always going with harley if possible is also maybe a potential team-y interaction? i think that they might have been able to force through a vote away from fire (shout out to mom btw for leaving by the way, your reads were reversed but you got out fire thank god, sorry that i was sussing you) somehow. but also, there's the thing with sans trying to get the vote off of fire and onto you/noraa/hatters which is like... that seems still like too much of a gamble to make because he was still thinking it was either 1/2 in each pool and it seems to ignore the fact that me + harley could be together? like, that's the thing i can't get over, people trying to gamble outside of what i think literally everyone was saying was scum/had scum in it

disregarding individual behavior and going with associations, i have slightly more reason to think that hatters and sans are town than i do harley; behavior wise, i have more reason to think harley is town (i was slow to come to this, she has a like. indignation about her at times that she can't really/haven't seen her fake tonally, imo, and it's come out more and more over time)

so that's basically my Thoughts on this game so far, it's a jumbled mess and i'm sorry my mind is mush after typing this and i am going to smoke or take cold medicine or something

[Ydrasse]

right now it boils down to, in essence, 1 of sans + hatters/harley which is like... expected, probaby?

why does it boil down to this?

did you read... any of my post?

[Ydrasse]

like i literally explain myself in that post if i typed that wall for nothing i'm going feral

[Ydrasse]

okay so why ask me that question then when the answers are in there

i think you/unwnd are town

i think that sans behavior makes him scummier (and i have like, one caveat to that that i included), so it's him and then one of the other two

if you want like, barebones little-explanation

[Ydrasse]

I think you marked off a lot of people in super simple ways. And the way your wall goes makes it seem like you're trying to justify a future SR on me. Frankly I find Sans more scummy than you atm which is why I think he is the scum in the pair of you but I could totally see you being the scum..

...??? i literally explained that, earlier in the game, i found you scummy for other reasons that i've moved away from now, and those reasons are also ones born out of frustration which make them less solid

[Ydrasse]

like i'm sitting here saying "noraa is town" and there's no room in there for you to be scum now, it was an explanation of my progression of you FROM scum to town

[Ydrasse]

heh. my plan to bring down town!ydrasse with me is working.

i love you but i hate you right now and my heart is breaking

[Ydrasse]

Also your read on me is super strange.
You say everyone else thought I was town which was obvious which you didn't see.
But you point out that scummy people are asking to dance with me.
you do really that it is those exact scummy people who have been the most certain I am town?
if that is all the case, what's going on here?
If all the scummy are TRing me and the only town in the set, you, is SRing me, by your strange flawed logic does that make everyone scum except for you?
.........Noraa moonlogic.

i find you immensely frustrating to play with and i am prone to scumreading your behavior despite everyone else thinking it's town (literally JUST PLAYED A GAME WHERE THIS HAPPENED)

and... yes? you attack people who scumread you in games, and you have fun/try to go with people (in general, not all the time) who you like, from what i've seen? i think that peopl are going to try to pocket you rather than fight you because you are stupidly stubborn and will go kicking and screaming, and what they want is for you to do that to someone else like you did it to oka this game

[Ydrasse]

i think you/unwnd are town

one problem is that I don't see how anyone has a read on unwnd. Unwnd is a tiny question mark at best and huge giant question mark at worst. I have zero read on unwnd. They could flip self aligned fruit vendor and I wouldn't be surprised.

did you read the interactions that koba and unwnd had? those sorts of attacks/interactions don't happen between people who are partnered, they're too... aggressively personal for scum to really go after, to put it lightly

(i still think that it was uhhh a bit out of line but it happened so, i get to read it)

[Ydrasse]

it's okay, it doesn't have to be you, bud. as long as i'm paired with any town then i'm happy. just don't pair me with my scum buddy.

so now you DON'T want to dance with me?

you're hurting me so much

[Ydrasse]

dancin' with you
dancin' dancin' with you

[Ydrasse]

i find you immensely frustrating to play with and i am prone to scumreading your behavior despite everyone else thinking it's town (literally JUST PLAYED A GAME WHERE THIS HAPPENED)

and... yes? you attack people who scumread you in games, and you have fun/try to go with people (in general, not all the time) who you like, from what i've seen? i think that peopl are going to try to pocket you rather than fight you because you are stupidly stubborn and will go kicking and screaming, and what they want is for you to do that to someone else like you did it to oka this game

I am an immensely frustrating person to play with. I have always been a total wildcard that flips at her own will with zero warning. I play with my heart and not my brain. Nothing stops my gut and my gut is not always right. You don't have to play with me if you don't want to. Just tell me and I'll steer clear of your games.

Oka tunneled me far before I tunneled them so if you want to blame someone, that someone shouldn't be me.

i am saying this to you as respectfully as i can right now, because i don't think this is the time or place to have this conversation, but i think having a bit more empathy at times when you play with people will go wonders in getting results/fine-tuning your gut, we can talk more abt this another time

and you could have disengaged or tried to think objectively, because you were saying you wanted to kill him even if he was town, which i don't think is uh... great logic, imo idk

like i said not time / place

[Ydrasse]

did you read the interactions that koba and unwnd had? those sorts of attacks/interactions don't happen between people who are partnered, they're too... aggressively personal for scum to really go after, to put it lightly

I did read them. I don't think it's outside of a scum partner possibility?
If Flava and I were scum, I am certain we could pull off a huge shitfight. Not the preferred scum theater, clearly. But I don't think it's impossible?

it's more the fact that koba actually took the step to rep out which means that it was unplanned? unless they were having a lot of fighting/friction behind the scenes, i don't think that they intended to have that sort of interaction at all and it would have been resolved privately between them

like i guess sure, yeah, maybe it could be s/s but that's 1/1000 for me to actually be a thing this game personally

[Ydrasse]

i think that that might be explained by unwnd feeling out of place in this sort of setup which he said early on was the case, but you can ask him too

[Ydrasse]

i haven't read any game of his that i can recall lately except flavor leaf v hectic?
so i'm not much help there

[Ydrasse]

i think that whether or not people wanna think rep-outs mean things, koba repping out of /this particular game/ after that interaction makes it AI

[Ydrasse]

i think noraa's just saying that a sans/me team just gets voted out by force bc if he's scum his partner doesn't try to save him?

[Ydrasse]

i'll accept the unwnd pairing if ppl are cool with that

[Ydrasse]

we can vote out 1 + then it comes down to a pair leaving in f4 if the game doesn't end

[Ydrasse]

like realistically i want 1 of sans and then either hatters/harley bc that's always going to flip 1 scum unless you/noraa are somehow scum? but at this point i'm not going to bother with thinking about that and accept the L if it's the case

in practice though i don't think anyone wants to split me/sans though which like, @_@ i get it but also i'm dumb and wanna win over him for once so sorry but

accept unwnd

[Ydrasse]

thats fair but i need a sans + harley/hatters pair to happen this game

if we flip that pair first i'll leave but this needs to happen

[Ydrasse]

actually no fuck that im not leaving

[Ydrasse]

my brain is not active right now

[Ydrasse]

noraa, who do you want to pair with the most?

i personally don't care who you pick so you should go with whoever you think will be the most fun for you

[Ydrasse]

woof woof

if we wanna make sure that we get our pairs done noraa should accept one of the two she already has and then we can get this going

[Ydrasse]

what reasons do you have to tr each?

[Ydrasse]

@pooky: unwnd proposed and i accepted

[Ydrasse]

this was something

gg, everyone! <3