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Heya i'll be around after work!
@sircakez i'm vla on fridays and saturdays, etc
This pl is awesome :)ShowHiatus once more.
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ok i am ~here~
i have approximately 30 minutes tho and then i'm gonna bounce again till tomorrow but then i'll actually be around
i have spent approximately 12 seconds thinking abt the setup and i think that we probably want to flip thru the 3-hood (unfortunately) cuz we'll net at least one scum, and then use the nks to sort out 5p and 3p as needed
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i think he puts me in a hood with him every time if he's scum tbhIn post 27, Menalque wrote:Pooky tell me that I’m wrong that it u were scum and skitter was town that you wouldn’t have a neighbourhood with herShowHiatus once more.
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also if no face is hectic i think he always puts ydrasse in a hood with himShowHiatus once more.
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*is* this hectic?In post 43, No Face wrote:We should vote for the one who is acting like mafia :)ShowHiatus once more.
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helloIn post 56, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: skitter this is the level 0 thing, I feel like I always get out-wined in these scenarios but yeahShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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are you trying to townslip or ...In post 65, No Face wrote:I think both mafia are in the neighborhood of 3 :/ShowHiatus once more.
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ngl i was kinda thinking you were being +town for you until you said thisIn post 72, Menalque wrote:Yah I think the problem with putting myself in with skitt would be the paranoia, esp in the 3p
but this *does* make me paranoid ^ShowHiatus once more.
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infinity do u think we should be flipping in the 3p today?In post 77, Infinity 324 wrote:Cause skitt is good at scum and scum expect us to hunt in the 3p hood firstShowHiatus once more.
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i'm p sure the answer is going to be something along the lines of: if she has a weaker scumpartner she'd take the 3p in order to shield them from that scrutinyIn post 88, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Norwee has trouble pinpointing the reason behind why scum!Skitter would put herself in a neighborhood of three if she is the stronger player of the team. :/In post 56, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: skitter this is the level 0 thing, I feel like I always get out-wined in these scenarios but yeah
which is, tbf, a fair point
but i kinda feel infinity has entered the game assuming that we're going to flipping in 3p first and is setting the stage for why that ought to be meShowHiatus once more.
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ok let's fiteIn post 106, Infinity 324 wrote:I have a permanent grudge against anyone I have correctly scumread in the past and failed to eliminate
Skitt get in here and fite me
VOTE: skitt
Ydrasse you're free for now
- from your pov why is it me and not bingle
- do you understand how from *my* pov this looks to me like you entered the game trying to force a 1v1 with me
- aside note: if infinity is scum and taking this tactic i expect her partner to be less confident / the partner doesn't think they would be able to do the 3p (no offense to whoever that may be if that is indeed the case)ShowHiatus once more.
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but we're guaranteed at least a scum by flipping thru 3p, no?In post 110, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:guys
we r killing in the 6p hood today
because if we hit the scum in the 3p hood, the scum shoot one of the players in the 3p hood, and tomm we r back to trying to find the scum in the 6p hood.
but if we hit the scum in the 6p hood, the game is over and we win.
going for 6p today means we *might* get a win today but otherwise we end up in a similar space tomorrow with a large hood and an unresolved 3p that if i'm counting right we won't be able to flip through, which by definition means mitigating the chances of netting one scum, if i'm counting this right
it kinda reminds me of coalition of whether we ought to be trying to win (getting the coalition day1) or whether we ought to try to mitigate the losses if we don't get the coalition day1 by getting a coalition that will at least be easier to sort through up failing, as those things aren't always necessarily the same thing.
but i think it's usually better here to net the guaranteed scum and then try to find the other scum in the 6p because while it's not as ~flashy~ it'll help our overall chances of winningShowHiatus once more.
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why is infinity town?In post 113, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Infinity town.
Skitter wouldn't put themselves in 1v2.
Bingle scum.
and to be quite honest there are some scenarios where i would put myself in 1v2 (although i can't imagine i woud like it very much, and would vastly prefer not to)ShowHiatus once more.
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they started the openwolfing before you said your plan tho, no?In post 134, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:it only means we r on the right track menaShowHiatus once more.
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i think you're conflating jk++ with pyp x|y i|m, no ? isn't pyp the one where mena tried to flip you like six times but i wouldn't let him. or was that something elseIn post 144, Infinity 324 wrote:You started of SRing me, then you TRed me, then you were trusting skitt. Somehow I feel like you would've been SRing me if skitt wasn't there but I guess we'll never know
You can still sheep skitt's read on me this game, we can't be partners
either way i'm not really townreading you here soShowHiatus once more.
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i'm also not sure this actually, like, happened ?In post 150, Infinity 324 wrote:Pooky: we should lim in the 6p hood
Infinity: ehh idk
Pooky: here are all the advantages of limming in the 6p hood
Infinity: on the other hand, here are all the advantages of limming in the 3p hood
Everyone: wow infinity is so against limming in the 6p hoodShowHiatus once more.
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i don't disagree with this assessment tbh - i think i neighborize town-pooky just abt always cuz he absolutely never tries to flip me as townIn post 160, Bingle wrote:Mena already brought up the argument, but I think both skitter and Pooky scum would be likely to neighborize the other.
Would anyone in the larger pool be characterized as limbait? They're probably town if so.
and he always neighborizes me (even if he thinks i might try to flip him) to chill with me
~ i think nor is probably the most flip-bait-y person in 6p (sorry <3)ShowHiatus once more.
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indeedIn post 220, Vanderscamp wrote:I think pooky is likely town regardless of skitter's alignment.
If skitter is town then I buy the stuff about neighborizing her, and if not, they're probably not together from skitter agreeing that it's a thing.ShowHiatus once more.
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ok didn't get to finish, gonna pick up at 164 later or tomorrowShowHiatus once more.
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i kinda feel like you're expecting me (and wanting me) to townread you here while also pushign me as the likeliest in 3p to be scum?In post 175, Infinity 324 wrote:Skitt can read me well I think but she's gonna say I'm town
and like you want me to townread you to get mena off your back
which doesn't entirely make sense as a coherent pov to me hereShowHiatus once more.
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i think it's kinda better to go for the slow-and-steady-wins-the-race approach because we *know* that there's scum in a fully-flippable pool and if we just flip through 3p we're guaranteed to get one before the game ends, and at taht point the 6p pt will have been wittled down to like 3 at worst (if we don't flip this scum till day3) and there will be loads of info from the nk's and how the flips in the 3p pt went down to sort out who the scum in the 6p pt isIn post 182, Bingle wrote:Correctly limming in the pool of 3 D1 makes this a functionally a mountainous setup. It's not terrible, but it's also not great. OTOH, correctly limming in the big pool wins us the game. Also, limming in the big pool means scum is likely to shoot in the big pool. In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me. Leaving both of us alive means that there is a decent chance that one of the two of us destroys the shit out of the gamestate, which is a risky proposition all around. If scum is going to shoot in the little group regardless, we want to force them to make that decision later. If we conftown people in the little group, doing so late game is inarguably the stronger move.
tl;dr -> Catching scum on D1 is less important than setting up a winnable XLO.
it might take more time, sure, but it's ultimately safer
and yeah limming in the big pool wins the game - but only if we actually do so (and there's more people in there so it's easier to misflip ...) and if we don't get it right we're right back where we are tomorrow ...
(it's weird to have an argument for why we should handle this a specific way dependent on leaving me alive cuz i'm me so uh yeah)
(but it's also weird that you're lumping yourself in there with me - i'm not sure if in this game town-you is the person scum are playing against (no offense))
also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?
and if we flip in the big pool today - say we find the scumz, yay. but let's just say we don't ... we won't have any conftowns day2, but it's also not guaranteed we'd get any at any point, right? misflip again in either pool and day3 we can have no conftowns. like we can be in day3 with a 1v1 in the big pool and the small pool unresolved.ShowHiatus once more.
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he's really townie tho >.>In post 185, Infinity 324 wrote:
This makes sense, you sold meIn post 182, Bingle wrote:In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me.
VOTE: vander my first FoS, he's playing like he did in underage gun control (idk his town meta though)ShowHiatus once more.
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- you aren't approaching this like it could be either one thoIn post 229, Infinity 324 wrote:-If jingle is as strong as scum as you, it could be either one
-Sure, but I expect you to be TRing me once you read up (I think)
- i don't think you're being townie for you
- maybe i missed it but did you answer this: which pool do you think it's optimal to flip in today?ShowHiatus once more.
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i mean i think that your approach to this day has been agenda-driven soooooIn post 254, Infinity 324 wrote:
Also, I didn't want to say "scum!skitt would be pressured into TRing me here" because then it would be easier for her to just SR me and she'd know I wouldn't get suspicious. I'm now realizing I probably thought about this too much and scum!skitt can justify whatever she wantsIn post 245, Infinity 324 wrote:
I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify, but maybe she can anyway. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm already kind of out of my scumrange though, and will get more so as the game goes on.In post 234, Vanderscamp wrote:Why do you not think it can be skitt as scum who decides to scum read you?
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VOTE: infinity
i'm caught up, but if someone @'ed at me and i missed it would you mind just requoting?
i think that vander is town
pooky almost for sure puts himself in a pt with me if he's scum so i'm ok calling him town for now
infinity is scummy
mena i got townpings off of
nor, no face, ydra, i don't have any thoguhts on
bingle i'm still kinda processing how he's approaching this but i think townier than infinity
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she seems to think that we're flipping in 3p today, and i feel like she's sort of gearing up for a fight there
in that case if she's expecting 3p to be the focus, and is going on the offensive, it makes me think there would be a weaker partner in 6p because they wouldn't want the partner to be in the center of everythingShowHiatus once more.
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i'm not quite there yet but i will most certainly be more Judicious and Thoughtful in how i try to read you :)In post 268, Ydrasse wrote:skitter just townread me this game to make up for that normal :3ShowHiatus once more.
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- uh see posts 56, 77, 90, and 106, am i *not* supposed to be thinking that you suspect me more? you vote me, say 'skitt is good at scum and expecting us to hunt in the 3p first' and then tell me to fite you ...In post 269, Infinity 324 wrote:-What do you mean "approaching this"? I voted you which is like the only indication that I suspected you more? And I didn't know jingle was a particularly good scum player at first so idk what you're on about
-You're very wrong and I don't believe you believe that
-Jingle convinced me that it's better for whichever of you is town to be alive for longer, so 6p I guess
- i mean you kinda have to say that
- two things here: a) i think you came into this game expecting 3p to be where the action would be, and were setting up your entrance around that. b) i don't really know what you found so convincing around his argument
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first i thought that scum-you *would* put yourself with me, so the fact that we aren't together was a big reassuring, but then you said this which makes me think the opposite because scum-you would expect me to be paranoid of you, and i'm not in the same hood as youIn post 271, Menalque wrote:In post 243, Menalque wrote:
btw skitt i don’t understand why this makes u paranoidIn post 210, skitter30 wrote:
ngl i was kinda thinking you were being +town for you until you said thisIn post 72, Menalque wrote:Yah I think the problem with putting myself in with skitt would be the paranoia, esp in the 3p
but this *does* make me paranoid ^
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i literally don't understand how you're approaching this as town either thoIn post 273, Infinity 324 wrote:
Ok I would not be approaching this with an agenda if I was scum, I would be scared shitless and mostly just trying to survive by posting nuanceIn post 265, skitter30 wrote:i mean i think that your approach to this day has been agenda-driven sooooo
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uh everything that he says is just that pure townie tone and it's very clear he believes in what he's saying and that he thinks that everyone's being silly for proposing something as suboptimal as flipping in 6p and he keeps trying to explain why and his whole pov is just very consistentIn post 274, Menalque wrote:
Explain this take too plsIn post 267, skitter30 wrote:think that vander is town
and he had a line saying something like 'i don't care if the game takes longer i just want to win' and it was very townie - i'll try to find itShowHiatus once more.
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ok but we might not get any conftown at all your wayIn post 275, Bingle wrote:
If we conftown players in the small pool D1, they're both dead before XLO. It's the same principle as keeping masons hidden as long as possible. Having conftown early is actually pretty useless comparitively.In post 257, skitter30 wrote:also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?
Also, from a gamestate perspective, we're guaranteed to have at worst a 50/50 at 5p XLO if we go big pool first. I'm not going to say that the possibility of scum fearkilling one of us out of the little pool isn't a factor (it is) but even without it the flip of the bigpool scum IS more informative than the flip of the little pool scum.
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.
i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?ShowHiatus once more.
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but scum-me can't nk jingle there tho ...In post 284, Infinity 324 wrote:Skitt also knows that I struggle under pressure as town generally, so the plan is to elim me d1 and then NK jingleShowHiatus once more.
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i mean fair but that's what i thought when i saw that postIn post 291, Menalque wrote:I guess it is slightly +scum for me bc yeh I prob wouldn’t wanna be in the same hood as you (I’d isolate strong players and bus the fuck out of my buddy D1 prob) if I were scum
I think it’s just not that meaningful bc I think a decent number of people here would, if they were scum, not want us in the same hood if we’re both town
like i didn't say it makes you scum or that this configuration is impossible from town-you
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i don't think i said it was?In post 292, Menalque wrote:What I don’t get is how that’s important for whether I was being towny here in thread? @skitterShowHiatus once more.
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ok again this is demonstrating that when you entered the game you thought you'd need to push me, no?In post 294, Infinity 324 wrote:1. The first 2 posts were made before I was informed that jingle was good at scum, 90 was bringing up a possibility and 106 was pretty tongue-in-cheek
3. I was yeah. Also, having a strong townie alive for longer seems good? If scum wants to kill in the 3p group when we're not limming there then great imo (but I haven't super thought it through)
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ya i agree that it's getting circular, sorryIn post 304, Bingle wrote:@skitts, ignoring whether we should hit the 3p or the 6p for the moment (the argument is getting fairly circular) if you knew for sure that we were going after the 6p who would you want to see dead rn?
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this would probably be a hard pl to be scum in, i imagineIn post 314, Menalque wrote:I mean honestly skitt if I role scum this game I probably just cry and then provided my partner is halfway competent I put myself in the 3p and try to enjoy being able to open wolf all game
I’m only scum here ever with infinity, and even then only if infinty’s really doubtful of her ability to bring home a win
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it wasn'tIn post 315, Menalque wrote:
It felt implied?In post 313, skitter30 wrote:
i don't think i said it was?In post 292, Menalque wrote:What I don’t get is how that’s important for whether I was being towny here in thread? @skitterShowHiatus once more.
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ok, let me take a step back - why did you start this game voting me?In post 316, Infinity 324 wrote:Obviously just ask me to clarify, I want to make it as hard as possible for scum!you to maintain this positionShowHiatus once more.
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your posting through that point had the high-energy scatter-train-of-thought vibe that i associate with town youIn post 317, Menalque wrote:“i was kinda thinking you were being +town” is presumably based on my posting in thread
Idg why paranoia about setup stuff is related to me not being +town based on what I’d posted here
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It makes more sense to say that you’re getting paranoid AS WELL almost?
i did have that thought when i read that post, so i said so
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ok i feel like if i respond to this we'll get bogged down again since i kinda disagree with at least two of the statements/assessments you're making here.In post 319, Bingle wrote:
Mathematically, limming in the big pool has a very slight advantage numbers wise, although not enough to make it a cut and dry this is the only option decision.In post 306, skitter30 wrote:ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.
i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?
Subjectively, the difference here is low risk - low reward vs moderate risk - moderate reward. If we hit scum in the first two elims in the big pool we still have workable conftown come 5p. If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p.
On a fundamental level, the more salient point behind me wanting to hit the 6p first is the one pooky brought up: The scum in the 6p can't afford to be elimmed today. The scum in the 3p CAN. I think hunting the former gives us far more useful information to make subjective calls than hunting the latter.
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but turning it back on you - if you were had to flip someone in the 6p rn, who would you ?ShowHiatus once more.
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infinity.In post 321, Infinity 324 wrote:Yes but I don't think I could do that. I probably wouldn't put us in a hood together to begin with.
I think you're projecting here, you're using my early soft push as an excuse to hard push me here when you would never be this confident in SRing me this early, even if you weren't TRing me
you entered this game looking to push me. yes, i pushed back, because your push on me was agenda-driven and unfounded. i'm not sure why you think i *wouldn't* be scumreading you here.ShowHiatus once more.
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and what's the town motivation?In post 325, Infinity 324 wrote:Town!skitt doesn't accept the logic of "this player makes no sense, must be scum". She uses what she knows about a player and weighs whether a town motivation is more likely than a scum one. In PyP she TRed me quite strongly when others were SRing me or much less sure. Her read on me here is fake.ShowHiatus once more.
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night infinity! we shall continue our bickering on the morrow :)In post 328, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm going to sleep
ok interesting take, why?In post 335, Bingle wrote:Pooky.ShowHiatus once more.
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hello i am here and just skimmed like 20p >.>
infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho
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i don't really get the pooky wagon or why it's, like, a thing. the gist of it seems to be that people don't think he's been townie? he's like always dead null at this stage of the game and doesn't really become sortable until like eod1 at the earliest ime
didn't really l ike infinity's e1 vote
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sounds like a plan.In post 879, Infinity 324 wrote:
I prefer this yeah.In post 875, skitter30 wrote:infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back thoShowHiatus once more.
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i'm at something like:
ydrasse
mena
vander
pooky
nor, bingle - null/idk
no face
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VOTE: no face
mena why exactly do u scumread vander again
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i'm gonna be honest i'm kinda exhausted irl and don't really have energy for this tonightIn post 897, Menalque wrote:I mean I guess u seem surprisingly chill about accepting that instead of pushing harder for infinity
Largely the fact that he was pinging me yesterday for being just ~around~ imo, and v v bland in his takes (reminded me of UGC)
Plus him then making a super opportunistic vote on pooky which, again, lines up with what he did not once but at least twice in UGC, I wanna say like 3 times on the one day he was alive
i think i'm actually going to bounce because i keep reading but i'm having trouble following what everyone are saying and i don't think i can bicker with people rn
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Ok i have some thoughts and i think that examining the pooky wagon is key to understanding this game:
- i think it happened way too quickly to be natural, and from my pov given thay both infinity and bingle were on it, its inherently scum fueled
- a lot of the reasoning at the time seems to be related to the fact that pooky wasnt townie enuf, esp. as compares to other members of the 6p pool, which i found to be kinda silly because: a) he's basically always dead null at this stage of the game ime, i usually dont even try to sort him until day2 or later, and b) other people in the 6p hadnt at the time (and/or still havent) towntold
Going thru the votes/players on it:
- ydra is just kinda townie - she's around and keeping up, but has real content and isnt just fluffposting. Its clear that contributing to solving yhe game and sorting people is motivating her posting
- vander: the e1 vote was gross but i still like the early game and seems to actually believe his reasons for pushing pooky, and similarly really seems to believe the mechanics he's pushing. I think he has a scummy looking playstyle and in this pl might be flipbait; wpuldnt vote him today
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said
No face - also dont remeber his vote. Gonna be honest my vote last night was lazy off of some scummy vibes i was getting from him but i feel like i can do better so UNVOTE:
- infinity: also didnt like the e1 but upon taking a step back and having time to reflect, and also seeing how she's interacting with the game and other slots, i think i was annoyed at her more than anything else. I agree that she's probably out of her scumrange and cant keep up like this in real time and probably just avoids posting if scum tbh. Or makes like random ineffectual comments that dont really have thought behind the and dont really go anywhere
Bingle bingle bingle: i'm also kinda getting an agenda-driven vibe from him tbh. From the start he's been very adament abt pushing in the 6p for mechanical reasons, and he's using this as an excuse to avoid sorting in the 3p. More than that, he entered the game using the fact that me and pooky are in different hoods as a springboard to push pooky. Combined it kinda makes me wonder if the hoods were designed this way on purpose, to create a reason to push him in that pt while using the mechanical reasoning to avoid having to push/sort me at the same time. Also if infinity is town he's kinda just scum
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Pooky - tbqh if he's controlling which pt people are sorted into he puts me in the same one as him like always to chill and shitpost with me, irregardless of how he thinks i might view that and/or whether or not i might decide to push him for it. We're not in the same pt so town
Mena: i think the high energy real time stream of thought is very +town for him, esp since it doesnt really seem to be agenda driven, he's just kinda saying whatever pops into his head. Also if he were scum he would be kissing up to me more i think but isnt in that he isnt really sitting around waiting for me opinions / acting like i'm the key person he needs to interact with like in panic room + he osnt really hesitating to challenge my reads so i think +town
I want to go here for now: VOTE: bingle
I still think that sorting in the 3p is better tbh, from my pov i have a 50/50 chance of getting it right today and at worst get it tomorrow and i still am unconvinced that 6p is better than thatShowHiatus once more.
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who do u think is his partner is in my pt?In post 1105, Menalque wrote:Counterpoint why would norwee put himself in the 3p
i think that bingle and nor can't be paired because bingle is p aggressively pushing flipping in the 6p and he's all but created a situation where he'd need to put attention on his partner
infinity/nor does make sense in a world where scum infinity thinks stronger scum needs to be in the 3p cuz we'd be flipping in there first - if infinity is scum i think it would have to be with like exactly nor or vander (cept i townread vander and i kinda am townreading infinity now as well. don't think this universe is too likely eitherShowHiatus once more.
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noIn post 1117, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Benefit? My vote is Vanderscamp.ShowHiatus once more.
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i mean this is the universe i'm playing from + i don'tt hink you're aligned with himIn post 1123, Bingle wrote:
Try again, but this time make the argument not presumptive on you being town.In post 1083, skitter30 wrote:Pooky - tbqh if he's controlling which pt people are sorted into he puts me in the same one as him like always to chill and shitpost with me, irregardless of how he thinks i might view that and/or whether or not i might decide to push him for it. We're not in the same pt so townShowHiatus once more.
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go onIn post 1124, Bingle wrote:
:thorface:In post 1083, skitter30 wrote:i'm also kinda getting an agenda-driven vibe from him tbh.ShowHiatus once more.
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oh maybe that's why i don't remember your vote then :lol:In post 1126, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I wasn't on it.In post 1083, skitter30 wrote: Going thru the votes/players on it:
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said
who was the other vote
ydrasse jingle no face infinty (e1) vander (e1)
or was infinity only e2 and i'm misremembering it as two e1 votes
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i mean to scum it presumably matters if scum-him flips so what exactly was the plan and who planned itIn post 1132, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It doesn't really matter if he flips scum. We win anyway.In post 1131, Bingle wrote:
And which one of me/skitter/Infinity puts him in the pool where he literally has to survive?In post 1129, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ydrasse, Mena, Pooky, No Face have all felt town.
Vandercamp's felt fake. He was so obviously town to me in the previous game we had, here his posts seem artificial and constructed.
But i'm feeling Infinity town as of right now, so either one of you or Skitter in most likelihood.
he's literally prototypical flipbait idk why everyone is jumping on itShowHiatus once more.
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don't think jingle challenges himself that wayIn post 1140, Infinity 324 wrote:
No, but why choose an unknown to carry for you?In post 1138, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Was you and Skitter in that game he was vigged?
I think the most likely explanation for vander!scum you actually brought up earlier which is that jingle wanted a challengeShowHiatus once more.
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i'm finding this no face / pooky thing to be kinda boring and circular. i think they're most likely tvt tbhShowHiatus once more.
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