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I think it is very likely Pooky and Skitter share an alignment."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Mena already brought up the argument, but I think both skitter and Pooky scum would be likely to neighborize the other.
Would anyone in the larger pool be characterized as limbait? They're probably town if so."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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It's pretty surface level, tbh.
Of the players on this list, skitts and I are two of the people who are seen as particularly good at scum and skitts is literally the only person in the list who I would say is scary as town. Infinity putting herself in a neighborhood with both of us is pretty ballsy.
Ofc, skitts always scumreads townme.
It's also backwards. I'd totally have put a weak link into the little hood, because a weak link getting limmed in the big hood is game over for scum, and there's actually quite a bit of talent in this list, at least amongst those I recognize."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I don't see what makes No face scummy. pics?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'm down to make this step 1, but we need to discuss afterwards.In post 117, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:we should actually have the elim be decided by the 3p hood onto the 6p hood
because the scum in the 3p hood can't bus.
because if they bus the game is over
Agreed that we're 100% killing in the big group today though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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skitter has terrible accuracy for me. I'm bad at reading her early and good at reading her late, as rare as reading skitter late actually comes up. I don't think I have sufficient experience with Infinity to say for certain, but I know we've played before and I don't think she would be impossible to play around.
If I were to be in the small group, I would 100% need to trust my partner could last a few eliminations. In this list, I can implicitly trust that of pooky/mena/skitts and to a lesser extent Norwee. I don't know anyone else well enough to put that kind of faith into them."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Correctly limming in the pool of 3 D1 makes this a functionally a mountainous setup. It's not terrible, but it's also not great. OTOH, correctly limming in the big pool wins us the game. Also, limming in the big pool means scum is likely to shoot in the big pool. In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me. Leaving both of us alive means that there is a decent chance that one of the two of us destroys the shit out of the gamestate, which is a risky proposition all around. If scum is going to shoot in the little group regardless, we want to force them to make that decision later. If we conftown people in the little group, doing so late game is inarguably the stronger move.In post 177, Vanderscamp wrote:
I still don't understand this:In post 172, Bingle wrote:
I'm down to make this step 1, but we need to discuss afterwards.In post 117, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:we should actually have the elim be decided by the 3p hood onto the 6p hood
because the scum in the 3p hood can't bus.
because if they bus the game is over
Agreed that we're 100% killing in the big group today though.
Can't we just lynch into the group of 3, potentially have NKs that make our decision into the group of 6, and then win just as easily by killing the scum in the group of six as we would have if we'd done it earlier?
I don't really care about how long the game goes, I'd just rather win.
tl;dr -> Catching scum on D1 is less important than setting up a winnable XLO."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I don't think we played in 2017, but I'm pretty sure we played at least a few games before my hiatus. I did a lot of hydra-ing and alts back then though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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If we correctly elim in the small pool (1/3), we're looking at scum needing to miseliminate 3 times in the big pool to win. This is 5/6*4/5*2/3 for optimal play, or about 44%. Yes, scum wins a little bit less than half the time if we correctly eliminate in the small pool. 6:1 with a single IC is not a very strong position for town.In post 187, Vanderscamp wrote:But I think it's very conceivable that we never get confirmed towns or scum NKs in the smaller group before losing the game, why do you expect this to happen if we initially kill into the large pool?
In any other case, scum should be shooting into the bigger pool tonight. As Pooky pointed out, the interactions are more telling when the big pool scum player is on the line than when the little pool scum player is on the line. Therefore, hitting the big pool scum player inevitably gives more information than hitting the small pool scum player."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Fairly confident in Vandertown aorn, btw."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Mena, you have significant partner equity with Infinity. Thoughts?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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From interactions: I doubt skitter puts the majority of her teams fate in their hands and I doubt that you go for the early softbus right here when it's a potentially game ending strategy.In post 201, Infinity 324 wrote:
Why? Not sold on the "not thinking through mech" argument, you can just post what you thought when you first saw the setupIn post 199, Bingle wrote:Fairly confident in Vandertown aorn, btw."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Not quite what I meant when I said it was step one. I think we should have the three of us decide who we would elim in the next few days and then use that to inform the rest of D1.In post 203, Vanderscamp wrote:I REALLY don't like the idea of leaving the big pool lynch up to the small pool, I'll fight hard against that one."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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It had occurred to me.In post 212, skitter30 wrote:but i kinda feel infinity has entered the game assuming that we're going to flipping in 3p first and is setting the stage for why that ought to be me"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Pooky's math is off. EV for little pool elims until scum with optimal nightkills is ~40%, EV for big pool elims until scum with optimal nightkills is ~44%. More importantly, actually hitting scum in the big pool leaves us in a much better place to find the remaining scum from a subjective standpoint, and the only way we lose by looking there first is if the scum is literally the towniest player in that pool."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Eh. skitter trying to deny that it's a thing doesn't work. Too many people in the lobby know better.In post 220, Vanderscamp wrote:they're probably not together from skitter agreeing that it's a thing."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Exhaustive analysis of the cases within the parameters. All of the possible townwins for littlepoolfirst, for instance, areIn post 236, Vanderscamp wrote:I think this is wrong too, walk me through how you got these numbers if you care to argue it
TTSS (.083)
TSS (.066)
TSTS (.07)
SS (.0556)
STS (.0556)
STTS (.074)
Which sums to 40.4%.
I assume you will take my word at this point, but analyzing setups is kinda my jam."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Hm.In post 245, Infinity 324 wrote:I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Of all the players on the list, you're the only one that comes to mind as probably not wanting to be in a hood with me and skitts. Additionally, I could easily see you as being the type to commit to winning through a single pool and shooting inside of the small pool despite it being mathematically suboptimal to do so.In post 249, Menalque wrote:Oi bingle explain why I have equity with infinity"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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If we conftown players in the small pool D1, they're both dead before XLO. It's the same principle as keeping masons hidden as long as possible. Having conftown early is actually pretty useless comparitively.In post 257, skitter30 wrote:also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?
Also, from a gamestate perspective, we're guaranteed to have at worst a 50/50 at 5p XLO if we go big pool first. I'm not going to say that the possibility of scum fearkilling one of us out of the little pool isn't a factor (it is) but even without it the flip of the bigpool scum IS more informative than the flip of the little pool scum."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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@skitts, ignoring whether we should hit the 3p or the 6p for the moment (the argument is getting fairly circular) if you knew for sure that we were going after the 6p who would you want to see dead rn?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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What'd you think of my vanders town logic?In post 298, Menalque wrote:I think vanders is very null"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Mathematically, limming in the big pool has a very slight advantage numbers wise, although not enough to make it a cut and dry this is the only option decision.In post 306, skitter30 wrote:ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.
i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?
Subjectively, the difference here is low risk - low reward vs moderate risk - moderate reward. If we hit scum in the first two elims in the big pool we still have workable conftown come 5p. If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p.
On a fundamental level, the more salient point behind me wanting to hit the 6p first is the one pooky brought up: The scum in the 6p can't afford to be elimmed today. The scum in the 3p CAN. I think hunting the former gives us far more useful information to make subjective calls than hunting the latter."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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tl;dr I don't think Vander is scum with skitter. I also don't think Vander is scum with Infinity. I think it is fairly obvious I wouldn't trust someone I don't know to be the linchpin of my team.In post 225, Bingle wrote:
From interactions: I doubt skitter puts the majority of her teams fate in their hands and I doubt that you go for the early softbus right here when it's a potentially game ending strategy.In post 201, Infinity 324 wrote:
Why? Not sold on the "not thinking through mech" argument, you can just post what you thought when you first saw the setupIn post 199, Bingle wrote:Fairly confident in Vandertown aorn, btw.
I also don't think he would be quite as vocal about his plan against me in light of him being unsure about my competency and me playing it up, although I hadn't brought that up yet."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I think you are slightly more likely to be scum than skitter atm. I am wary enough of skitter to not care to solve that mess quite yet.In post 322, Infinity 324 wrote:@jingle Do you have a read on me?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Fuck that noise. If I die you throw my reads out with the bathwater. My forte is setting up the gamestate so that other people can catch the scum. My early reads are pretty buckshot.In post 308, Menalque wrote:I’ll consider infinity on the understanding that if skitt+bingle become conf then we dead sheep them until lylo"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Pooky."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I could look back, I suppose and see if I typo'd a calculation somewhere, but when we agree with the conclusion that the math says the two options are very similar and the subjective criteria is more important I'm not sure it's worth the distraction.In post 333, Vanderscamp wrote:Most of those numbers look right but for TTSS I get 2/3 x 1/2 x 1 x 1/3 = 0.111
And for TSTS I get 2/3 x 1/2 x 4/5 x 1/3 = 0.0888"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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FMPOV: 50% of the time you are scum. You know that scum in the small pool cannot be the endgame scum, therefore your partner is likely high tier. I would wager a very significant portion of the time, Infinity's team would also be aware of this restriction. That implies that the scum in the other pool is someone who can be trusted to pull a game by themselves. Of the names I recognize, Pooky and Mena best fit that bill with an outside chance of HecticAlt. Mena/You doesn't look S/S. Pooky and you have a disproportionate likelihood of being grouped if unaligned.In post 341, skitter30 wrote:
night infinity! we shall continue our bickering on the morrowIn post 328, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm going to sleep
ok interesting take, why?In post 335, Bingle wrote:Pooky.
All of that is circumstantial evidence that points to Pooky having a higher likelihood of being scum than anyone else. Also, if I flip PookyTown, you become significantly more likely to be town imo, which is helpful for solving the you/infinity 1v1 later."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Endgame is the wrong word, tbh. More important? The scum in the big pool can solo the game. The scum in the little pool has to rely on the scum in the big pool to be able to hold their own much more."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Hm, went back and checked, and you are correct. Still, the point I made in 319 is still relevant as the entire premise is that mathematically both options are similar enough to not matter. A couple of percentage points of EV doesn't really mean much, which is why you don't balance games solely on EV.In post 342, Vanderscamp wrote:Just checked scum's chances of winning going for the big pool first with all the possible combinations and it checks out, it's definitely 45% to win as town with small pool first and 41% to win with big pool first, the people who are saying big pool first is mathematically better are definitely wrong.
I don't agree that small pool scum can just afford to get eliminated, either, there's a pretty decent chance that we get to a point in the game after aiming for the big pool and missing twice that the small pool turns into the bigger pool."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I find myself intrigued in the lack of cross pool solving. Objectively, my opinions about the alignments of the larger pool are more valuable and the opinions of the people in the larger pool about us are more valuable. I get very little from the skitter/infinity interactions, because I know they're T/S."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Tinfoil says this could be a scum slip.In post 513, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Because Bingle wants to tryhard?
Idk him very well, but i think he likes a challenge.
Norwee, what gives you that impression?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Oh, and also VOTE: pooky"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Norwee, do you meta dive peeps? Not in this game, just as a general rule."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I read it and am largely ambivalent to the suggestion. Seems like a way for us to not have reads accountability.In post 548, Infinity 324 wrote:
I guess I didn't make sure enough?In post 479, Infinity 324 wrote:
Making sure this doesn't get missedIn post 421, Infinity 324 wrote:I was thinking that the 6p hood could vote on someone for the 3p hood to pledge our votes to. If the chosen player is scum, they weren't getting limmed anyway, so it should increase our chances to hit scum. I think I'd rather that than try to read into scum!skitt/scum!jingle associatives. If people want to exclude me from that that's actually ideal for me, scum!me isn't great at coming up with reasons not to vote my partners."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Hm. What do you think about the fact that your characterization is not only 100% accurate, but actually the reason I lost in a game that I linked in the neighborhood that just so happens to have scum in it 100% of the time?In post 551, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m not meta diving, i just remember."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I’m aware of the game yes. I also don’t think it’s a particularly astonishing leap to make given I don’t hide that aspect of my personality. As I said, the thought is pretty tinfoil-y. I am decidedly not a fan of pooky defending me on the basis of 513 given that he had the front row though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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pageget"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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I mean... I might. I did fakeclaim vig in a micro cause I got bored, which is what I was referencing.In post 572, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
bingle knows the mech and wouldnt throw vander into the more important scum slotIn post 567, Menalque wrote:Wait why can’t vanders be scum with bingle?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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If she does I think it's because she thinks she's a sacrificial lamb and her partner is expected to carry.In post 569, Menalque wrote:The fundamental question is “does infinity!scum take the risk of trying to paranoia/WIFOM everyone on skitter/bingle being in together, or not?”"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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In post 541, NorwegianboyEE wrote:My theory is that the hood distribution proves we have a ballsy player that wants to take on the big league and prove themselves in the small hood, and a more clever deepwolf that will be trying to sound town, harmless, and pocket town in the bigger hood.
Small hood is for the powerful bruiser, big hood for the long-living wolf.
Norwee, can you tell me about how these two positions mesh?In post 544, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Long story short is that i more or less townread other slots in the 6p group and i think Vanderscamp's not really towntold yet and could therefore be scum just faking mediocre content.
Cause I firmly agree with the gamestate read and think it heavily implies the read on Vander is wrong."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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All of Pooky/Skitter/Mena knew for sure. No Face seems familiar enough with me that they're probably in that group too.In post 581, Vanderscamp wrote:Also, was it public knowledge that bingle was a strong player at the start of the game?
They're jingle's alt apparently, but was that already known?
Norwee/Y/Infinity knowing would not be a terrible assumption, but it's not a safe one either. That's roughly the order for likeness of awareness.
FWIW, Jingle is my modding account and this is my playing mafia account. I almost exclusively play mafia on this account and the two are publicly linked, so it's not unreasonable that anyone would know the link."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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No, Pooky was though. The tinfoil was that Nor's scumpartner could have shared the links with him. It's a pretty out there theory, and I liked Nor's casual dismissal of it though.
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The second is the one with the vig claim, sorry the links got eaten."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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The tinfoil was that Norwee was scum with someone from my hood who shared that information with him. It was, again, a tinfoil theory without a lot of backing.In post 598, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
uh I can't be norwee's scum partner from your POV because we're in the same hoodIn post 596, Bingle wrote:No, Pooky was though. The tinfoil was that Nor's scumpartner could have shared the links with him. It's a pretty out there theory, and I liked Nor's casual dismissal of it though.
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"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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That I as scum am prone to making ballsy and inadvisable choices when I get bored.In post 600, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also what am i supposed to know from that game?
It's why I don't really like your 513."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Eh. Not particularly, but it's also an ancient game. IIRC I made aggressive pushes throughout D1 and me skitter and wooperduck all paranoiad on each other until the game detonated and the scum came in and mopped everything up.In post 612, Vanderscamp wrote:
The game nor quoted that he said was his reference for the read he gave, do you think that that game makes sense for him to have had that read?In post 596, Bingle wrote:No, Pooky was though. The tinfoil was that Nor's scumpartner could have shared the links with him. It's a pretty out there theory, and I liked Nor's casual dismissal of it though.
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Him having that impression solely from talking to people about me is very reasonable though, and I think it's likely he's had at least a few conversations where I've come up."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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UNVOTE:
Saw the E-1, want more solid reads atm."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Probably, yeah.In post 759, Menalque wrote:I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible
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Mechanically she's likely to be scum. I've talked about why I want to elim in the 6p first. I don't think internal pool solving is as valuable to the gamestate as crosspool interactions.In post 894, Menalque wrote:Skitter and bingle why do you not want to eliminate infinity? And why is she still at the bottom for both of you?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Mena, you're looking at Vander saying both skitter and Bingle think he's town and that's suspicious. I posit to you that both skitter and Bingle think he's town, and arrived there on different trains. I invite you to look at each of our logics. Which of us do you think is wrong and why, because at least one of us is confirmed to have a town perspective while saying that."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Not really?
Pooky is saying that No Face not reading into my willingness to eliminate Pooky as a possible argument for PookyTown presents itself as proof that No Face isn't actually attempting to read Pooky.
Me unvoting Pooky could mean that I could be scum with Pooky FYPOV, but that doesn't particularly detract from the argument that Pooky is making because at the time that No Face started pushing Pooky I was the biggest proponent of the elimination. Using my unvote to justify the behavior that came before my unvote is backwards logic, unless you also want to argue that NF knew I was going to unvote.
Hence, both Pooky and No Face are fairly scummy. In the world where Pooky is town, he raises some valid points about No Face. In the world where No Face is town, there is still circumstantial evidence that flipping Pooky is a strong play.
Does someone want to towncase Y for me? I'm a bit gunshy on townreading her based on a genuine attempt to gamesolve D1 for reasons I can't go into atm, and would be grateful for explanation."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I mean... a lack of deserved paranoia towards me is one of the bigger reasons I think you’re sketchy. It’s not a reason to townread pooky, but I definitely understand it as a reason to scumread no face.In post 948, Infinity 324 wrote:
Jingle what do you think about this? I basically SRed pooky for the same reason as no faceIn post 924, Infinity 324 wrote:
I wouldn't think this is scum-indicative necessarily but it might be when I was getting on everyone's case about not TRing me. It's easier to just call me town there (esp when pooky has recent experience with scum!me that was very different from here)In post 917, Infinity 324 wrote:
All I remember is him stating that he thought you were likely scum by PoE. That is what I did when I voted no face and then you.In post 916, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
ok what do you think he was pushing me for then?In post 914, Infinity 324 wrote:No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I can’t explain why but the is basically the exact opposite of convincing me y is town.In post 950, Infinity 324 wrote:Like the entire point of coming up with something like that as scum is because you want to come off as town, but 655 shows very clearly ydrasse isn't thinking about how she's perceived."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Your early game interactions with me didn’t carry the same wariness I would expect from someone who knows I have a 50% chance of being scum and it did seem you were fairly spring loaded to skitter scum in our group before either skitter or I had done much of anything. You did walk that back a bit when you realized I have a reputation, which is interesting, but it doesn’t erase the behavior in the first place.
Mechanically speaking, me and skitter should have been your top two scum reads and I just never got the sense that I was in our interactions. It could be play style, but between that and you being 50/50 scum I don’t particularly trust you. OTOH, I’m also not really interested in litigating that read because narrowing down locktown in the 6p is far more useful right now."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I thought I was pretty clearly fishing for reasoning, but let’s try it this way: Why do you think norwee is scum?In post 956, Menalque wrote:Talking about the ways in which and to what extent ydrasse is town is like the least interesting thing we could be doing
The most interesting? Yeeting norwee into the void"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Mostly gut. I liked his gamestate analysis and his response to my tinfoil felt unconcerned. He's easily my weakest townread, though and I was hoping for spicy reasons to scumread him as an angle of engagement. Your handwaivey everything argument is kinda disappointing, tbh.In post 964, Menalque wrote:Y dont u think he’s scum?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'm not sure what your issue with it is, tbh.In post 971, No Face wrote:
I really don't like Bingle for agreeing with Pooky's reasoning that I'm scummy for not reevaluating that one of my scumreads happens to be voting the other. I've been pushed for this as town before and I've never understood it, I just treat my reads independently, and no, Bingle voting for Pooky while I'm sus of both is not going to magically make me less suspicious of Pooky. Yes, it means they are less likely to be aligned if Bingle commits to that vote/push but before that, distancing is a thing, and even if I think Bingle/Pooky aren't aligned, what do I do? I townread 4 others in that and Pooky is nullscum, I don't just randomly go and scumread one of my townreads. I just really don't understand that scumread/reason at all but maybe Pooky and I just think differentlyIn post 969, Vanderscamp wrote:I think it might be pooky and bingle.
What I really don't like is Bingle agreeing with that assessment though (_(
Your reason for Pooky scum is that you townread 4 people who aren't named Pooky. Pooky thinks (thought?) you're not making a genuine effort to read him. He is, objectively, right. Pooky thinks that you should, if town, at least consider the implications of voting alongside one of your strongest scumreads on a PoE read. I don't see how any of that is unreasonable as an argument, especially in the absence of strong evidence implicating someone.
I would be interested in your responses to my multiple requests for towncases though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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