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Norwee has trouble pinpointing the reason behind why scum!Skitter would put herself in a neighborhood of three if she is the stronger player of the team. :/In post 56, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: skitter this is the level 0 thing, I feel like I always get out-wined in these scenarios but yeah- NorwegianboyEE
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Nobody cares about 3 hood.In post 116, Infinity 324 wrote:
It gets us closer to winning by allowing us to auto win ever if we don't hit scum in the 6p group on our first tryIn post 114, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:killing the scum in the 3p hood doesn't actually get us closer to winning, we still have to find their partner even if we nail the scum, but if we find their partner the game is over.
It also makes it easier to hit scum in the 6p group
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D1 wins are satisfying insta-wins where scum get rekt. D5 wins are usually slow and painful and i hate it.In post 129, Infinity 324 wrote:Day 5 wins are more satisfying than d1 wins- NorwegianboyEE
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Can you link it.In post 185, Infinity 324 wrote:
This makes sense, you sold meIn post 182, Bingle wrote:In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me.
VOTE: vander my first FoS, he's playing like he did in underage gun control (idk his town meta though)- NorwegianboyEE
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Add one more zero to that 50.In post 195, Menalque wrote:
oh my sweet summer childIn post 194, Infinity 324 wrote:we may have a 50+ page d1- NorwegianboyEE
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I don’t see scum!Infinity starting their game by immediately doing a 1v1 against you.In post 215, skitter30 wrote:
why is infinity town?In post 113, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Infinity town.
Skitter wouldn't put themselves in 1v2.
Bingle scum.
and to be quite honest there are some scenarios where i would put myself in 1v2 (although i can't imagine i woud like it very much, and would vastly prefer not to)- NorwegianboyEE
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Do you always expect town!Skitter to townread you immediately early day 1 here?In post 255, Infinity 324 wrote:
She's correctly read me 3 games in a row and I feel like she has a pretty good sense for how I playIn post 252, Menalque wrote:
UhIn post 245, Infinity 324 wrote:I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify
Why
It seems a bit strange as has been said, how your progression is:
>Skitter is likely scum.
>Unless they townread me.
*Skitter says they don’t townread Infinity*
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Norwee doesn’t understand big longey mouth-words without interruption. :<In post 257, skitter30 wrote:
i think it's kinda better to go for the slow-and-steady-wins-the-race approach because we *know* that there's scum in a fully-flippable pool and if we just flip through 3p we're guaranteed to get one before the game ends, and at taht point the 6p pt will have been wittled down to like 3 at worst (if we don't flip this scum till day3) and there will be loads of info from the nk's and how the flips in the 3p pt went down to sort out who the scum in the 6p pt isIn post 182, Bingle wrote:Correctly limming in the pool of 3 D1 makes this a functionally a mountainous setup. It's not terrible, but it's also not great. OTOH, correctly limming in the big pool wins us the game. Also, limming in the big pool means scum is likely to shoot in the big pool. In the case that skitts is town, letting her have multiple phases to solve the game is a dangerous proposition. Similarly with me. Leaving both of us alive means that there is a decent chance that one of the two of us destroys the shit out of the gamestate, which is a risky proposition all around. If scum is going to shoot in the little group regardless, we want to force them to make that decision later. If we conftown people in the little group, doing so late game is inarguably the stronger move.
tl;dr -> Catching scum on D1 is less important than setting up a winnable XLO.
it might take more time, sure, but it's ultimately safer
and yeah limming in the big pool wins the game - but only if we actually do so (and there's more people in there so it's easier to misflip ...) and if we don't get it right we're right back where we are tomorrow ...
(it's weird to have an argument for why we should handle this a specific way dependent on leaving me alive cuz i'm me so uh yeah)
(but it's also weird that you're lumping yourself in there with me - i'm not sure if in this game town-you is the person scum are playing against (no offense))
also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?
and if we flip in the big pool today - say we find the scumz, yay. but let's just say we don't ... we won't have any conftowns day2, but it's also not guaranteed we'd get any at any point, right? misflip again in either pool and day3 we can have no conftowns. like we can be in day3 with a 1v1 in the big pool and the small pool unresolved.- NorwegianboyEE
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Seems like a pretty shitty plan for Skitter, i agree.In post 286, Menalque wrote:
y would she nightkill jingle thereIn post 284, Infinity 324 wrote:Skitt also knows that I struggle under pressure as town generally, so the plan is to elim me d1 and then NK jingle- NorwegianboyEE
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Hi, i’m at work and catching up very slowly. I’ll post it when i have time to.In post 361, Vanderscamp wrote:Norwegian, reads on the big pool?- NorwegianboyEE
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Tbh i wouldn’t townlock Vanders yet. I do think i should be able to read them since i correctly townread them in the first game we played before, but i don’t have a certain conclusion on them here yet.In post 307, Bingle wrote:
What'd you think of my vanders town logic?In post 298, Menalque wrote:I think vanders is very null- NorwegianboyEE
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Agreed a lot on the last paragraph. And i think it’s somewhat +town for you to bring that up.In post 319, Bingle wrote:
Mathematically, limming in the big pool has a very slight advantage numbers wise, although not enough to make it a cut and dry this is the only option decision.In post 306, skitter30 wrote:ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.
i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?
Subjectively, the difference here is low risk - low reward vs moderate risk - moderate reward. If we hit scum in the first two elims in the big pool we still have workable conftown come 5p. If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p.
On a fundamental level, the more salient point behind me wanting to hit the 6p first is the one pooky brought up: The scum in the 6p can't afford to be elimmed today. The scum in the 3p CAN. I think hunting the former gives us far more useful information to make subjective calls than hunting the latter.- NorwegianboyEE
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Hmm ok, still want to hear if you think Bingle could be scum here.In post 325, Infinity 324 wrote:Town!skitt doesn't accept the logic of "this player makes no sense, must be scum". She uses what she knows about a player and weighs whether a town motivation is more likely than a scum one. In PyP she TRed me quite strongly when others were SRing me or much less sure. Her read on me here is fake.- NorwegianboyEE
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I think Mena’s activity so far is very +town for them, and i’ll keep them as town unless i see a reason to consider otherwise. I’m also liking Pooky so far, but i’m not as confident on them as i am Mena.In post 361, Vanderscamp wrote:Norwegian, reads on the big pool?
As for Ydrasse, i’m thinking town but i really have no idea how they play as scum so low confidence read.
No Face probably looks the worst so far? But i’m not really wanting to vote them until i get more certain about my other reads and am sure i don’t want to vote elsewhere.
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Townie to overreact, and it feels similar to what i know of their previous towngames too.In post 444, Infinity 324 wrote:Are you saying you think town!her is more likely to overreact, or just that it's not scummy?- NorwegianboyEE
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Yeah i'm considering Bingle as the most likely slot to want to DUEL the lovely slots of Skitter™ and Infinitytowntell and not vice versa.In post 471, No Face wrote:
After some thinking I agree this is a stupid readIn post 463, Infinity 324 wrote:
Isn't this not a big deal? She's in the group of 3, so she kind of did her job if she elims me. Also I think skitt is a strong enough scum player that this isn't really trueIn post 371, No Face wrote:If Infinity dies today and is the town she probably dies tommorow because people think she's the scum.
I think I believe she's towny moreso in how earnestly skitter is pursuing her words on you being scum rather than the committing theory. The committing theory is stupid because people like to townread poeple who commit everything on someone being scum, so the logic is the circular
No Face's new guess is Bingle and Pooky :''- NorwegianboyEE
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Noo, it's a lame vote.In post 474, Infinity 324 wrote:
I have very little faith in my scumgame when I'm forced to argue things that I don't actually believe are true. 90% of how I look town as scum is by calling townies town and hope that I can get by on PoE and that my partners look town. If I'd tried to 1v1 skitt as scum, it'd probably go ok for a bit and then I'd wear myself out by midway d1 and I'd be confirmed scum essentiallyIn post 469, Ydrasse wrote:
do you really have that little faith in your scum game?In post 467, Infinity 324 wrote:
I mean no, but if there's any possible way I can avoid it as scum then yesIn post 465, Ydrasse wrote:sometimes it feels like people treat good players as unbreakable bastions that people wouldn’t ever dare challenge or go up against in any circumstances
I actually think pooky is not so likely to be scum because I think they'd put themselves in the group of 3 in order to 1v1 people, because that's where I've seen scum!pooky be most comfortable
I've talked myself into this by PoE
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Why though?In post 520, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrasse and vander don't go in the 6p hood as scum most likely- NorwegianboyEE
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I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed. So that means it is the scum strategy we need to look at. And that is that ballsy scum is in 3P and a endgaming scum is in 6P. And Ydrasse/Vanderscamp are both slots i could see being set up as potentially endgaming scum.- NorwegianboyEE
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I think you're town independently Ydrasse, but i'm just saying that Infinity's reasoning for ruling you and Vanderscamp out as scum based on being in the 6P group is flawed.In post 530, Ydrasse wrote:
???In post 527, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed. So that means it is the scum strategy we need to look at. And that is that ballsy scum is in 3P and a endgaming scum is in 6P. And Ydrasse/Vanderscamp are both slots i could see being set up as potentially endgaming scum.
have you ever played with scum!me? what?- NorwegianboyEE
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Yes, which is precisely why Vander/Ydrasse would only be scum in 3P group if the 3P group had much more limbaity players rather than the consesus "strong" players.In post 532, Infinity 324 wrote:
The thing is, it's way less risky for scum if that happens. If necessary, scum can put 1 or 2 limbaity players in the 3p group so that vander/ydrasse doesn't get destroyedIn post 527, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you should consider the current slots in the 3P group.
If any of Skitter/Bingle was put into the group as town VS scum!Vanderscamp or scum!Ydrasse they would likely get destroyed.
But Ydrasse/Vanderscamp could still theoretically have rolled scum in a world with the current 3p hood. So ruling them out as scum because of being in the 6p group is faulty.
Again, i don't scumread Ydrasse. But i do find Vanderscamp sus.- NorwegianboyEE
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You strike me as a player that would be really good at going undercover as scum and pocketing town.In post 534, Ydrasse wrote:i’m asking more why you think i would be the end gaming one
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My theory is that the hood distribution proves we have a ballsy player that wants to take on the big league and prove themselves in the small hood, and a more clever deepwolf that will be trying to sound town, harmless, and pocket town in the bigger hood.
Small hood is for the powerful bruiser, big hood for the long-living wolf.- NorwegianboyEE
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All mafia game solves should be cinematically pleasing and make for a ending of a good detective show episode where the detective explains the scum teams strategy and perfectly exposes them though.In post 542, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not really sure people's scum playstyles divide like this- NorwegianboyEE
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