Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[Farkran]

Hello friends

Mod sucks, i haven't received a link to the game thread and i'm missing my rolepm so the game will never start because i cannot read it

Feel free to leave and join another

[Farkran]

Maybe i didn't get a rolepm because i can CHOOSE MY OWN

I AM NOW A CULT LEADER

[Farkran]

I can recruit 2 players per day and 2 more per night

I promise victory before day 2 ends

[Farkran]

Hello, I'm Doug.

Am I doing this fake claim thing correctly?

No Paul

You're supposed to say your job

[Farkran]

Reads up to this point:

CONFTOWN

LEANING TOWN

NULL

LEANING SCUM
Jingle

CONFSCUM
Klick
Farkran
SirCakez
Skitter
PenguinPower
Korg
PookyTheMagicalBear
Jake The Wolfie
OMGUS
Puppy
Brave Heart Lion
Totally Not Korina
Firebringer

Fixed for you <3

[Farkran]

I am a Hectic alt

[Farkran]

VOTE: sircakez i dislike how he'd been voting town me twice and he hasn't learned his lesson yet

[Farkran]

I am a cult leader tho

I'm probably korina

[Farkran]

UNVOTE: /UNVOTE:

Too early to say anything but bouncing off skitter reads i'm not sure tnk is town either (wrt jake's positioning)

[Farkran]

Fuck

UNVOTE:

[Farkran]

UNVOTE: /UNVOTE:

Too early to say anything but bouncing off skitter reads i'm not sure tnk is town either (wrt jake's positioning)

Sorry can u reword this? I'm not following what you're trying to say

I assumed you didn't like jake voting TNK? If that wasn't your reason to vote jake, you may expand your reasoning too

Expanding my post: Jake voted TNK and i don't townread TNK

[Farkran]

VOTE: sircakez i dislike how he'd been voting town me twice and he hasn't learned his lesson yet

Fark was this legit or not?

Not really but you should know i'm town

[Farkran]

Because you always read me wrong lol

[Farkran]

Because you always read me wrong lol

Can you remind me of these situations? You keep bringing them up and they definitely happened but I cannot for the life of me remember them.

hydra game by alisae and hood game by plotinus?

[Farkran]

VOTE: jake

i like working with klick, so far he doesn't look like scum so i'm fine sheeping here

[Farkran]

I assumed you didn't like jake voting TNK? If that wasn't your reason to vote jake, you may expand your reasoning too

Expanding my post: Jake voted TNK and i don't townread TNK

yeah and then disliked how they voted someone else while that was happening


do you scumread tnk or you just don't townread them?

Scumping mostly, i was just considering the jake vs tnk event. Wouldn't rule out svs but that's not my main concern right now, i just wanted to provide my input

(Note: not caught up yet)

[Farkran]

Oh, caught up now, not much happened overnight

My current tentative townbloc is fark klick skit pp

I am disliking tnk and korg. Am i correct in disliking you guys?

[Farkran]

I'm a Town Commercial Airline Pilot

I pick 3 players each night, and any actions targeting them are redirected in a circular fashion

E.g:
A -> B
B -> C
C -> A

I've asked the mod and I can't target myself

Interesting claim, maybe you can rent a flat in our bloc in a short while

[Farkran]

Oh, caught up now, not much happened overnight

My current tentative townbloc is fark klick skit pp

I am disliking tnk and korg. Am i correct in disliking you guys?

why am I town?

You're the usual town pp? Meta read so far, i think scum!you is more prominent

[Farkran]

Not being able to vote except for hammer would be terrible for scum. It's borderline suicidal if that's the case.

I don't see how my mechanically proving that I cannot vote right now does not town confirm me.

Try voting me please and leave it on until VC, I'd like to confirm something

[Farkran]

Hi I’m currently at work, but I’m checking in. Fark, you are reading me wrong. When has *anyone* correctly read me d1? Literally, every single game I play, I’m always scumread as town. Will elaborate later.

Sure if you can

Also if you may provide your educated opinion of korg i'm all ears

[Farkran]

Hm, korg votes really don't count on any circumstance apparently

Fine by me

[Farkran]

VOTE: puppy

I don't think jake is particularly scummy recently.

Puppy do something

[Farkran]

Ok time to declare my first Real Townread: penguin

Looks like we'll be having factions again lul

Why are you townreading peng?

[Farkran]

I like cakez tryharding though, doesn't look like scum

Cake vote puppy with me, pp is town

[Farkran]

So, I'm going to be honest, I really don't have much motivation to play this game atm. It just kinda feels like we never really hit out of RVS for me atm. Can someone explain the current wagons for me? I would read the thread back, but I'm about to sleep because I'm tired, and can't be bothered atm.

Actually we've out of rvs for a while and i may be tunneled but i don't particularly fancy this approach to the current gamestate

But ftr i'm voting puppy because i think he's lurkscum, people are voting pp because somehow they think he's different than his usual town self (i disagree) and cakez only has some rvs leftovers iirc

[Farkran]

The puppy wagon is really uninteresting to me as well, I don't know why Farkran(?) was getting unsettled about it

I didn't get unsletted iirc? I want puppy to engage more though, there is plenty of content to play with at this moment in time

But also why are you uninterested?

[Farkran]

ok..

puppy likes farkran...klick..jake..korg..

puppy doesnt like tnk's early game..penguin is loud not like puppy is used to so puppy is a bit confused

puppyreads arent great right now because tired and not into this yet but maybe soon we will play fetch

Oh, this is an interesting take. I do agree with you about tnk, but what's wrong with pp?

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Weirdly defensive.

I’d rather you just participate in this game by answering questions and interacting!

Well now this is unusual for pp

Not scummy unusual though, it's not even lamist. Do you have more time to spare, pp?

[Farkran]

The puppy wagon is really uninteresting to me as well, I don't know why Farkran(?) was getting unsettled about it

I didn't get unsletted iirc? I want puppy to engage more though, there is plenty of content to play with at this moment in time

But also why are you uninterested?

Voting for inactive slots in a game that is relatively inactive doesn't really do much

Would you confirm your vote on cakez over puppy?

[Farkran]

I like this post (pedit: 436) and i might be convinced to believe it in theory but i'd like to see what cakez has to say as well, he didn't seem scummy to me so far

As for puppy, sometimes scum just doesn't know what to do and do not want to stand out as much, not everyone is like farkscum lol. I wouldn't townbin inactivity, actually if the game is inactive the best thing scum could do is blend in

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Hmmm. Puppy should bark some more about his reads

Anyways, bouncing off pooky chillin, atm i don't find any of the actives particularly scummy but i'd like to see more wagons going and what people think about them

I still have an eye on tnk which also counts as lurkish though

[Farkran]

Eh, i feel like we're letting too many people slide under the radar today. @Cakez i think you're town but you shouldn't engage just with the actives, tbh i think there's more scum in the lurkgroup than the actives if any

Still waiting for tnk, i think braveheart is town though

Rn i'd say i have

Klick, pp, brave, chillin, cakez as quite confident town

Korg i'd put as >rand town for mech but more like i don't care about voting him this day

Skitter should post more to consolidate her towniness, i get scaried when she's silent

Jake is somewhat of a conundrum to me because i don't particularly see him as scummy but i like people who voted him so far, i could sheep

Puppy should talk more, his answers weren't a bad start but if you're town you should help the game progress

Omgus and fire made almost no impression to me

Tnk is probably my highest sr, i can see myself voting there shortly ... i need to think about it some more

[Farkran]

Who is sliding under the radar Fark?

Tnk, omgus, fire, puppy

[Farkran]

Has nothing to do with irl stuff though, i didn't like the introduction and i want tnk to engage more

[Farkran]

fire made almost no impression to me

sounds like a personal problem

Not at all! Actually i like you a lot as a person, but in this game i can't recall nothing worth in terms of sortability from you

If you could produce a readlist or at least recap your thoughts it would be useful

[Farkran]

Who is sliding under the radar Fark?

Tnk, omgus, fire, puppy

Clearly this all can't be scum? I may have placed my vote on Puppy but I don't think the active crowd has something compelling for me to chew on. Right now I'd even go so far I only have about two townreads in the active bunch and a desperate amount of nulls

That's not far from where i am too, and i'd like to change this situation

Those 4 names aren't all scum (i think we are in the usual 3v10 world?) but 1 or 2 maybe. And even if they aren't i currently don't have much else to work on rn

Pedit where is jake scummy? I mean i don't even townread him but i'd like to understand what makes it the best vote out of my options

[Farkran]

I disagree wrt cakez but puppy talking doesn't seem scum, i'm gonna switch to

VOTE: tnkorina

[Farkran]

puppy doesn't see cakez town, can you explain ?

I think he is trying to make the game move on and i don't see anything scummy coming from him. Can you show me samples of where i am wrong?

[Farkran]

fire made almost no impression to me

sounds like a personal problem

Not at all! Actually i like you a lot as a person, but in this game i can't recall nothing worth in terms of sortability from you

If you could produce a readlist or at least recap your thoughts it would be useful

liking me is a crime, ur going straight to jail


i don't have very much strong thoughts on anyone actually. i mean do u want me to comment on anyone in particular cause if i gave a reads list its gonna be filled with alot of "no idea no thoughts".

Jake and puppy for starting

[Farkran]

Skitter should post more to consolidate her towniness, i get scaried when she's silent

Really busy week, life is finally back to normal now. You have something in particular u wanna talk abt?

I kinda changed my mind about puppy, we could vote tnk

@klick chime in to help us, we should start consolidating

[Farkran]

I could vote tnk too but what made u change ur mind abt puppy?

I like the reads he produced. Puppy doubting penguin and cakez is believable although i disagree, and i agree with his other reads

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Also could u say what u liked abt blaze?

You mean braveheart?

I like his gimmick. He uses it in a way that does not confuse town and tries to advance the gamestate. As scum i think the gimmick would only cover shitposts. I'm fairly confident brave is town

[Farkran]

I suspect we won't get much out of wagoning TNK because they'll just keep saying 'my inactivity doesn't make me scum, also this game is still boring' and either it'll fizzle out or we'll take out the slot early

I'm fine with wagoning that slot with intent to kill, but if we're looking to advance the gamestate there are better options

Yeah i kinda want to kill there. I'd also be fine with omgus and fire. Jake could be worth pushing/flipping for info if we want to follow that path

[Farkran]

It would be easier if we didn't have to convince people voting for somebody instead of having everyone vote on his own, but we all know this is gonna happen only 2 hours before deadline

[Farkran]

Chillin who would you like to wagon?

[Farkran]

Lol this is hilarious

Btw ouch, brave was not scummy at all to me, is your only reason to vote him based on being in the midground for activity?

Also @pooky korg cannot vote, this has been tested and confirmed

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Vote Count 1.13

Totally Not Korina (5): Farkran, skitter30, Klick, puppy, PenguinPower,
OMGUS (2): Firebringer, SirCakez,
SirCakez (1): OMGUS,
PenguinPower (1): Jake The Wolfie,
skitter30 (1): Brave Heart Lion,
Brave Heart Lion (1): Absolutely Chillin,
Puppy (0):
Jake The Wolfie (0):
Farkran (0):
Korg (0):
Absolutely Chillin (0):
Klick (0):
Firebringer (0):

Not Voting (2): Korg, Totally Not Korina,

The Deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-04-15 16:00:00).

I think the 1-wagon votes should be explained otherwise we aren't advancing, tnk is being consensus (korg is willing to hammer as it is the only vote he can make) and there's no case going on anywhere else

Out of these i don't understand why pp and skitter are being pushed, those wagons have zero chance to meet any purpose

And i disagree wrt brave being scummy, but i have already explained that

[Farkran]

I am a cult leader tho

I'm probably korina

DAYVIG FARKRAN

I had to iso you to actually notice this, didn't remember this at all

I don't believe this is a true dayvig though because it would be terrible

If it has some different effect that you can confirm, you should say it

[Farkran]

Hmmmm... be a mason with me, we'll talk fun stuff.

VOTE: omgus

[Farkran]

This is fakeclaim mafia. My abilities do not correspond with the presumed action. Fark did not die when I "dayvig'd" them, so it's clearly not a dayvig. The fact you're trying to push me for something that has clearly not been that is weird.
@Fark, I absolutely will tomorrow. My abilities are limited to one per day. In theory, we could just not have the thread locked if everyone claims masons with me and Fark tomorrow, when I use it.

I think we give a day to confirm this... I guess.

I'd heavily prefer Jake right now.

I have a hunch about what tnk ability does, it's definitely not a dayvig but the problem is that whether they're honest or not, it's not confirmable. I think it would make sense if i am correct though, which gives me reason to let tnk live another day

I am blessing a wagon against omgus. Not sure what to make of that vote from jake, i see it as somewhat antitown but i don't think it comes from scum

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Skitter is the only player who didn't claim anything though, i think she should at least contribute to this game's flavor

By the way tnk claim makes sense in my eyes, if we agree that they can live another day please focus on consolidating, the deadline is still there

I also agree with skitter that jake's votes are weird but not in a scummy way. The tone is towny, the thought process is towny and as much as i disagree with his reads, the desire to be right and kill scum is evident to me. I'd still rather kill omgus.

[Farkran]

I don't remember claiming anything...why leave me out? My feelings are hurt.

Sorry, i was pretty sure you claimed something back in rvs!

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Fark also i disagree that korina's claim looks good pr seems real, it seems kinda made up to me

A large part of it is likely made up, but i think it's made up in a way that wouldn't fit scum? I mean why would you insist on the dayvig part when it's so obviously fake instead of trying to save your ass with something plausible? My interpretation is that there's a chance that it comes from town crumbing, idk maybe i'm wrong but i felt like letting tnk live another day and see what happens

[Farkran]

I am

Masons with TNK and Chillin

This is hilarious it probably doesn't do anything but was worth trying lol

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Vote Count 1.16

Jake The Wolfie (5): Totally Not Korina, Klick, SirCakez, PenguinPower, Absolutely Chillin
Totally Not Korina (3): puppy, Firebringer, Jake The Wolfie,
OMGUS (2): Farkran, skitter30,
SirCakez (1): OMGUS,
skitter30 (1): Brave Heart Lion,
Brave Heart Lion (1):
PenguinPower (0):
Puppy (0):
Farkran (0):
Korg (0):
Absolutely Chillin (0):
Klick (0):
Firebringer (0):

Not Voting (1): Korg,

The Deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-04-15 16:00:00).

Ok then, puppy only wants tnk today, chillin voted jake (reflected in this edited quote), korg can only hammer but is fine with jake (749). Braveheart is VLA, OMGUS idk what he's doing and would still be my choice for the day but isn't building up

Me and skitter aren't really ok with jake but i suppose we can compromise if deadline comes. I'd still rather do tnk than jake though, netting the claim i think tnk is scummier than jake

[Farkran]

Hmmmmm. Interesting outcome.

i am masons with TNK

I figured they would be a doctor or at least fakeclaim it, but i think it makes more sense for them to have said the truth given the moment in time they dayvigged me.

I dislike the wagon against jake though, and i may want to revise my position into VOTE: klick.

Pedit: do you have anything in mind, pp?

Also @skitter your opinion?

[Farkran]

Scum probably shot Fark, which is why nobody died

Maybe. There are other explanations though.

In terms of this. I mean, i agree, but maybe you have something specific in mind

[Farkran]

I do. It’s not the right time for me to comment on it however.

Fair enough, we'll come back to this at a later time

[Farkran]

I don't know about klick but i feel like i have been pocketed, his content isn't that much or that great and the reasons for voting jake are kinda weak for him being the second name on it.

I wanna hear from him too anyways

[Farkran]

Oh and no i wasn't neighborized last night and i wasn't told that tnk is town

[Farkran]

^
Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

[Farkran]

^
Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

???

The day ended while I was on V/LA. I would have been on the wagon. Wolfeheart was my biggest choice of yesterday. Why doesn't that factor I'm to your opinion of me at all?

Because i think you're town, and the fact that you weren't on the wagon (even if you wanted to) means to me that there are more scum on it

[Farkran]

Game is as slow as ever, korg and klick are deep in prod range

I'd like chillin to produce their thoughts and pp should do the same when they are ready

[Farkran]

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Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

I mean can you quote some examples? He hasmt really done anything all game imo

Yes as soon as i get to my pc

I do not know for sure if tnk is town.

Wrt klick, i don't like his position on the wagon and i want him to speak up.

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@skitter this is my towncase for braveheart

Spoiler: spoiler

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

This is still a terrible post

IT MUST GO

Flameheart, are you a villain?

Talk to me about wolfheart

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BLAZEHEART

you have still yet to have thoughts on wolfheart.

Mmm... Fakeheart (Korina) could use a bit of.pressure too

I think all of the above posts are memey, but the intent behind is to let people talk. He asks questions and he offers opinions in a way that doesn't come from scum trying to fake it imo. Maybe i'm wrong, but then in d2 we have these

I have zero idea on what's happening ZERO. I feel like I may as well have repped in

????? do something

GREAT IDEA BAKEHEART

where should I start? Also how bout you? Don't get the feels you've done a whole lot. Don't get the feels anyone really has outside chillhydraheart

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Seriously fark idk why you're townreading lion, they've literally done nothing all gane

Eh, it's a toneread + i remember his posts to be lackluster in content but mostly made with the purpose of advancing the game. To me, brave is a distant town player. I could be wrong, but i wouldn't vote there - besides, generally speaking i want to vote in-wagon today as i think there are more scum in than out

???

The day ended while I was on V/LA. I would have been on the wagon. Wolfeheart was my biggest choice of yesterday. Why doesn't that factor I'm to your opinion of me at all?

And again they sound like he is inquiring people based on events happened, not coming from a personal agenda i.e. "i want to push this or that guy, let's see what i can use to frame them". I don't know what to say, brave sounds one of the most towny slots to me, i wouldn't have voted him yesterday and i wouldn't vote him today - if we are to find scum i'd rather look elsewhere and i have already voiced my intent to lim on wagon.

[Farkran]

Not really sure what to say in response to Fark pushing me. Jake felt really scummy to me up until his self-implosion, and I'd have probably unvoted had I been around and there been a viable counterwagon. If you'd like me to look into something specific I'd be down, but it would have to be in like 12ish hours

Yeah, a few questions to you:

1. Why would you have unvoted? Wasn't jake your highest scumread? What else would you have done?
2. Are you unhappy with how the wagon progressed? Why?
3. Did you townread tnk for their claim? Do you townread them today?

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Do you have any strong read, sircakez? Which ones?

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I feel that if we are to try and win this game, town should start to play and do something. I could buy that omgus is scum, but that's more because i don't have any reason to townread them rather than actually having a scumread. I don't want to vote that kind of target today, i want to lim something that matters, otherwise the jake lim would have served nothing.

Bad positions on that wagon imo are Klick, yours and Chillin based on how you have progressed to vote there. Problem is i kinda townread both you and chillin, which means i want to lim klick - but i also want him to talk and get a better grasp of his place in this gamestate. Town has talked too little to produce differentiations, everyone should give their reads right now otherwise we're only getting a worse version of day 1.

[Farkran]

Bad positions on that wagon imo are Klick, yours and Chillin based on how you have progressed to vote there. Problem is i kinda townread both you and chillin, which means i want to lim klick - but i also want him to talk and get a better grasp of his place in this gamestate. Town has talked too little to produce differentiations, everyone should give their reads right now otherwise we're only getting a worse version of day 1.

I don't understand how there are bad positions.

I will answer this while also addressing my scumread of klick for @sircakez

I'll start saying that i am unsatisfied with yesterday's lim and i have spoken enough about it - i didn't find jake scummy, i only found him irksome (to others, i actually had no quarrel with him) and i disliked all the votes which were based on that premise. For instance, sircakez's 454 and 460, i didn't like that reasoning for voting jake and they didn't develop much - that's a bad position to me but i don't dislike sircakez overall, so eh. Chillin is slightly better because tonally they seem distant from the thread and ultimately voted jake (and puppy earlier) as a compromise but there's little attempt at actually solving.

Which now leads to Klick - after the random stage i don't see much in terms of solving, there's a lot of sheeping going on, which could be fine, but then his final stance is 764 which go entirely against me and skitter at the time (note that klick had sheeped us up to that point) and he tries to create reasons to justify his vote on jake (821 onwards where he and jake had some exchange that ended up being unfruitful), rather than reassessing and try analyzing other options since he was second on wagon and his towncore didn't agree with him. I don't know, to me that's not how town would process a vote against town, but i definitely want klick to elaborate his position and explain why he decided to vote jake when both me and skitter were saying no

[Farkran]

We can leave the brave discussion for later

VOTE: omgus let's move forward

[Farkran]

Hello SS, nice to meet you again!

Talk to us about who we should lim and why it's not you

[Farkran]

Well, why is my slot being suspected? Just activity?

Your slot posts/content ratio tends to infinity and it's not a good sign

Though on a serious note the game is quite inactive, the real problem is that you have contributed literally nothing in terms of solving or advancing. You never left rvs so to speak

[Farkran]

Brave heart lion is being replaced.

Menalque replaces Brave Heart Lion.

There is absolutely no substance to the rumors that Menalque has left Brave Heart Lion incapacitated in a warehouse in order to free up a slot in this game.

This is good news if my read was correct

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Lol stop scumreading me in every game mena

Fire scum i might agree tho

[Farkran]

Not really sure what to say in response to Fark pushing me. Jake felt really scummy to me up until his self-implosion, and I'd have probably unvoted had I been around and there been a viable counterwagon. If you'd like me to look into something specific I'd be down, but it would have to be in like 12ish hours

Yeah, a few questions to you:

1. Why would you have unvoted? Wasn't jake your highest scumread? What else would you have done?
2. Are you unhappy with how the wagon progressed? Why?
3. Did you townread tnk for their claim? Do you townread them today?

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Vote Count 2.5

Something_Smart (3): skitter30, PenguinPower, Farkran,
Menalque (2): SirCakez, Puppy,
SirCakez (1): Something_Smart,
Korg (1): Klick,
Klick (0):
Totally Not Korina (0):
skitter30 (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
PenguinPower (0):
Puppy (0):
Farkran (0):
Absolutely Chillin (0):

Not Voting (5): Korg, Absolutely Chillin, Menalque, Totally Not Korina, Not_Mafia

The Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-04-27 13:00:00).

Guys without a vote should vote something

[Farkran]

So far i haven't read anything redeeming from Klick but everyone seems to be townreading them so i'm ok

SS didn't redeem himself either and i'm afraid i can't read him properly, i scumread the slot and in my last game i was s/s with ss (heh) and couldn't honestly tell the difference from town so i may stay tunneled forever there, SS please do something to change my mind

I still townread brave/menalque but everyone seems to be scumreading them and i don't know what to tell you, i don't see scum there, maybe i'm wrong

cakez i don't see as scum, same as puppy but i see them more as nulltown than something relevant, i could be very wrong on either

not_mafia could be scum

Still townreading chillin, skitter, korg, pp.

pedit: lol mena, no, i'm not scum now and i know you can do better

[Farkran]

Or is it exactly klick, S_S, N_M?

Eh i mean, maybe. Those are the people i'd vote today.

Since you're good with skitter and pp, do you think they're town?

[Farkran]

SS do you have any thought on NM?

[Farkran]

Eh i mean, maybe. Those are the people i'd vote today.

I think that's a lil concerning that you just want to kill the lowest content slots, do you not feel like that's something that has to be fixed?

Why is it concerning? Who of the actives sounds scummy to you?

[Farkran]

Why is it concerning?

I mean it seems like in general people have a greater tendency to scumread inactive players, no? So if you have three inactives as your solve, I would say it has a greater than normal chance of being wrong.

It's probably wrong as a gamesolve, but if there is at least 1 scum in there i have >rand odds to get one right

Anyways, my fav choice would be a player on the jake wagon, but i didn't gain any traction. What do you think about that wagon?

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VOTE: tnk

There's 2 days left and this isn't my fav choice but there will be conclusions to draw on the lim

I want to note that i'd rather lim klick > ss > nm before this, glad if i'm wrong because i don't see any of them having any future

PP can you speak up now about your earlier foreshadowing?

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I'm caught up with the last 6 pages that happened overnight although to be honest i just skimmed and i want to read SS better.

Personally i think tnk is a good info lynch because he was wagoned yesterday + there is a claim pending that may give us more details about the gamestate. That being said, i don't think there is a significant chance that tnk flips scum and we could use a better lim today. If it flips scum though, i think it tells us a lot about other slots that i find scummy (klick mostly, but SS too).

I see that klick has no traction, so my other preferred option is currently SS, pending reread - i do admit that i cannot read SS at all though and it would be hard to me to leave that tunnel, so i have to sheep someone with regard to this.

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SS do you think menalque is scum in this game? I am a bit puzzled as to why i have been townreading Braveheart (former mena slot) while skitter wasn't, when now she has 180'ed her read on mena and i am starting having suspicions - like, i don't know if menalque is trying to engage a conversation with me or if he's actually scumreading me. He's been shading me more than once in this game, but when asked about that he says his vote was a joke and i'm in the townzone of his readlist right after pp and skit.

Yeah, this sounds like i'm trying to squeeze more from you because i am, SS. Please talk more. I think you get more readable the more you speak (probably not to me, but other people should know you better), and it is in your best interest to talk more if you're town

So please give me your opinion on menalque since he's been producing a lot of content recently

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Ok, thanks

Do you have any clue about the nk? If you think tnk is scum, likely i wasn't healed, so what's the reason for no nk?

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Sorry i'm trying to have a clean conversation, i tried isoing but it evidently didn't work lol

Anyways, why would it be a bad idea? I'm not trying to fish for why the target didn't die, just about who could've been the target, i think there would be value in that

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We could gain in terms of NKA if we can identify the target of nk, that would be interesting.

If tnk flips scum, the nk likely wasn't me, that's the premise for my question. I am wondering if it makes sense for scum to kill me n1.

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Who do you think could have been the nk then?

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Ok, well, at least now i have a clearer grasp of your standing

It didn't help me townreading you, but maybe it will in the future

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Oh hi Kerset, super happy to see you again!

TNK claimed some day joat that healed me n1

Korg (you) claimed not being able to vote except hammer and this has been confirmed earlier

Nothing else relevant iirc, other stuff is fake

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Oh that wasn't a lie, d2 isn't over yet

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still understands stance on not want posting much in this game. puppy gets it, but also thinks that coldpuppies are town independently of emotion sensing.

I think this post is towny wrt puppy, i mean ever since he started posting back in d1 i don't get scum intent from him

I made up my mind and i think SS is towntold by people who called him town

I am still available to vote klick, i think he still has the best chance to flip scum

Question: people who scumread chillin (especially the pooky head), is it just a meta read because he's less engaged than you would expect?

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Klick why do you think puppy is scum from your pov?

Also would you still maintain your old town core? Would you say menalque (former braveheart) and SS (former omgus) are town?

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One more question @klick

The two wagons (jake and tnk) are quite different and jake flipped town, do you think any of the two is scumdriven? And why?

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Fark i feel disappointed with you. This town has fallen in to apathy and instead of creating some momentum, pressure or wagons... you were just like...

ok i guess we just elim the lurker, such a shame but if you really want the lurker then here goes my vote

I'm no longer the fark you know, i'm sorry

But i can tell you're town at least

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I was already townreading the slot for starters

But i have played enough with kerset to tell when he's scum, i'm confident he isn't

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I am waiting for klick to answer my questions

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Kerset was disappointed that i didn't solve the game, that's town enough from him

Speaking about the wagons, me puppy and skitter were off jake but are now on tnk. That's half of the wagon, they are pretty different.

Incidentally, tnk was also on jake and obviously isn't on themselves.

I think there is value in determining which of these wagons is loaded with scum and i currently believe it was jake's - would you agree with this?

I mean maybe i'm wrong, maybe you're town and cakez/chillin are scum, but i hardly believe that the wagon on jake was clean. My read on cakez is weak but it's a townlean. My read on chillin is also getting weaker but is also a townlean

Your solve of cakez/chillin/kerset is not appealing to me, but maybe 1 of cakez/chillin is actually scum. Should we vote chillin?

Chillin what do you think? We have only a handful of hours left

Pedit: all of the above is @klick

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I am also kinda curious to see tnk flip because that would give us a lot of answers though - let's just squeeze all that we can from this day before hammering

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Speaking about the wagons, me puppy and skitter were off jake but are now on tnk. That's half of the wagon, they are pretty different.

I will say that I think you misunderstood me here - I was saying D1 TNK wagon and D2 TNK wagon are very similar. Jake wagon and TNK wagon are night and day.

Right - that makes sense.

Waiting for chillin to say something about the recent exchanges

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Also @Mena if you're town i entrust my iso to you

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VOTE: chillin

Let's do it, i want to give credit to menalque and benefit of doubt to klick. The exchange between chillin and mena doesn't sound like tvt at all and the town is completely weighing on mena's side

If i'm wrong on mena you can call me bad postgame

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Mena join my hood, i promise fun

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Also 5 hours left to deadline, if we want to make this happen there isn't much time

I think killing chillin has a decent chance to land on scum rn

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Deadline in 3 hours, i'm not sure if i can be back to finalize my vote, but i'm not voting tnk now

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Let skitter talk if possible

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And pp too

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Fark what do you think about chill reaction to being wagoned?

I don't know lol, i would expect pooky to maybe fight more as town? But really i have no elements to say if they would ate to survive.

I do know that i don't want to lim tnk now though

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Hello.

Given the circumstances that led to flip scum, i am now strongly confident that TNK and klick are town due to being respectively:
(1) Counterwagon to scum
(2) A major reason why the wagon shifted.

Furthermore: i think based on the vote patterns and the n2k, i am also super convinced that there is 1 scum in {skitter, puppy} and i think it's skitter. Sorry skit.

VOTE: skitter

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To elaborate: out of all people who are towntold by the flip (tnk, klick, me, mena), mena was the only one expressing doubts on skitter, and i disliked a lot her disappearance when the momentum was shifting to chillin.

I think everyone else besides her and puppy wouldn't have killed mena, i should have died instead.

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Fark how is your neighborhood?

Awesome, you should have joined

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PP is town!

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*hay balls rolling*

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I probably meant tumbleweeds? English is bad

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Oh no it was a real thing, but the mechanics to enter were tricky - you had to claim masons with everyone else before you, or it fails. I claimed masons with tnk, SS claimed masons with tnk and me, nobody else claimed masons with tnk, me and ss

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To elaborate: out of all people who are towntold by the flip (tnk, klick, me, mena), mena was the only one expressing doubts on skitter, and i disliked a lot her disappearance when the momentum was shifting to chillin.

I think everyone else besides her and puppy wouldn't have killed mena, i should have died instead.

i was dealing with irl stuff last week, and at the last time that i had read the thread, there was ~a day to deadline, and tnk was who i wanted dead and who looked most likely to happen at that point
given more recent events, it seems likely i was wrong, but that's where i was holding at the time
i was townreading unwnd for his early content

also i don't think i kill mena there

VOTE: puppy

i townread: klick, penguin, fark, ss, penguin
townlean: sircakes, kerset
everyone else: puppy, nm

ideally i'd like to flip in one of those two today; given the gamestate that doesn't seem *super* likely to happen today but i would like to memorialize my reads for y'all

TNK is missing in this list although you mention being wrong with your d2 vote - to clarify, do you townread tnk now?

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@PP do you have anything to add?

@puppy do you?

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There's no room for paranoia on tnk honestly. Not only they were counterwagon to scum in d2, but i would 100% have died n1 or n2 if tnk was scum.

I am also very confident pp is town, although they should post more :\ i'm still waiting for the promised insight

I see puppy/skitter as tvs 99.9% of the times so if it's not skit it's just puppy.

Third scum is probably SS, NM or cakez, i wouldn't rule out any of them completely, but rn i lean town on SS

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I am also very confident pp is town, although they should post more :\ i'm still waiting for the promised insight

Why? You never argument your take on him aside 240

Meta read + nka + reasons, also his posting sounds town in a vacuum, not only asking for votes (this is nai for pp) but also contributing to make the gamestate advance and baiting scum into doing stuff to sort them. This is my opinion, which other people who can read pp seem to agree on, so he's also towntold by that. Now he's disappeared but i see no reason to reassess on this read based on circumstances.

There's a chance i could be wrong but i just don't see it. I assume pp is town and i'm satisfied in having him in my towncore.

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Hello Almost50! I suggest that you analyze the wagons in d1 and d2 that led to this gamestate

Also the posts in d3 (there are only a few, you can iso easily) summarize why we are currently voting skitter.

Have you got anything to share? PP seemed to have something to say

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UNVOTE:

A50 should speak first, but i am otherwise ok with hammering skitter

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Yes that would be a good idea

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Skitter claimed VT without fakeclaims provided, ok

Almost50 (formerly PP) claimed some town aligment shift which i believe to be true

I'm still very very very confident that there is at least 1 scum in {skitter, puppy}. Both of them have immense scum equity to me based on the circumstances and voting patterns - if we're wrong on skitter, we kill puppy, no second thoughts. Please believe me on this one.

As for the third scum, i'm still wondering who it could be but my poe is limited, we can work on that going forward.

@A50 and SS, if skitter is scum i believe she knows she's going to die and her partner would do literally nothing to save her today - that's how i see it, so i'm not changing my mind but i'm glad we took time to hone our reads

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Also wrt tnk, i think i would have died n1 or n2 of they were scum. It makes very little sense that they wouldn't kill me. I'm not sure if i have been actually healed or something else happened, but if i'm alive i think tnk is town

This is in addition to the fact(s) that they've been counterwagon to scum in d2 and proved their claim by neighborizing us

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Skitter, just to make sure we aren't leaving any stone unturned, you should vote TNK to verify that they can make you hated

When you do, you will be E-1

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Skitter, just to make sure we aren't leaving any stone unturned, you should vote TNK to verify that they can make you hated

When you do, you will be E-1

i'm actually fine with it in theory so long as my desire to vote puppy is duly noted ....
and how does this role work? do they need to do something special/activate it? because i've been voting them for most of the game and i don't think (?) i was hated till now

TNK is a day joat who can use 1 power per day, so they claimed

D1 they healed me
D2 they neighborized
D3 they hate, but they can only do so on a person who voted them

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Skitter, just to make sure we aren't leaving any stone unturned, you should vote TNK to verify that they can make you hated

When you do, you will be E-1

i'm actually fine with it in theory so long as my desire to vote puppy is duly noted ....
and how does this role work? do they need to do something special/activate it? because i've been voting them for most of the game and i don't think (?) i was hated till now

If you're town i'll be a bit shocked, but puppy will die, i promise.

If skitter is town and i die overnight, i want puppy to be eliminated immediately. This is serious.

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Also skitter would be at e-2. I said I’m voting myself so I can do something, but I will happily put skit back at e-1

Once skitter votes you i'm fine with hammering her to test your hated power

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1.30 am here though so if skitter doesn't come back in a few minutes i'll postpone to wake time

Pedit: or kerset could do it in my stead

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Eh, you know why i want skit - i'm sure there's scum in the two, but i'm leaning 70% skit 30% puppy. I don't think it's worth it to have second thoughts based on skitter's actions today. If anything, i would expect town skit to fight a lot more - yes she says she's drained, and it could be true, but that doesn't make her town compared to all the hints we have against her

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VOTE: skitter

I don't want the wagon to die through apathy

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I wonder if SS became cult overnight?

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We're awesome

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But how did klick lose?

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I was a Traitor and didn't know the scumteam
I played this incredibly badly! If I had just not touched the game at all we'd have probably been fine

Super honest, i probably wouldn't have switched against chillin if it weren't for you and menalque.

But since i blocked skitter n1 i wanted her dead sooner or later

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Skit who did you kill n1?

Pedit omg lol nope, didn't notice that even after chillin flipped

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Wait, was Fark really JK? I don't see his role in the list.

I was, but yeah where's my role?

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Did Skit kill n1?

Well, she tried, i think. I blocked her

Pedit wow why me o_o my reads were kinda shitlevel d1

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Did Skit kill n1?

Well, she tried, i think. I blocked her

Pedit wow why me o_o my reads were kinda shitlevel d1

Or rather, not "kinda", i townreaded the full scumteam.

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mistakes were made :<

sorry skitts!

Also pooky 1 fark 1

>.>

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as soon as mena rep'd in i was like oh shit hes going to kill me

Mena was the true key to this town victory, his d2 reads were really good

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Congratulations PP!

Thanks everyone for playing and thanks jingle for modding. The game was slow, but fun. I enjoyed playing town after two scum rolls, so i'm in for another one my thread in the mafia discussion is open for suggestions

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Congratulations PP!

Thanks everyone for playing and thanks jingle for modding. The game was slow, but fun. I enjoyed playing town after two scum rolls, so i'm in for another one my thread in the mafia discussion is open for suggestions

Fark celebrity needs to be invited

Yes, i need invitation otherwise i feel like a burglar