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Will it help that I'm putting T3 as town here?
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@Pearwhat's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?
You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"
Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
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228 is a good post from town mind set plus pushing the game forward, but majority of their posting is just fence sitting and safe for me.In post 510, T3 wrote:VFP, thoughts onmarci?
I can go into more detail if you want though but I'd rather lim here than Catboi from my bottom 3.
You can tell me why T3 is scum for you.In post 512, iN3krO wrote:I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.
It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm not sure if T3 was being serious on me being unreadable as I'm sure they can have views on my playstyle.
What makes Pear town for you?In post 513, marcistar wrote:I think t3's lil push for jailor to out is kinda scummy, also how he hammered norwegianboyee so soon after he entered the game... just feels like he didn't wanna give the effort to give in depth reads
If NM hammered yesterday would that be scummy like T3 knowing how Nm plays?
Whats you're reason on either?In post 517, Meuh wrote:Taking a shot somewhere between Marci/N_M today does seem like a solid idea to me and I think their flips would be telling on the other's alignment, especially red ones.
I strongly disagree with this and feel that Pear is scum. If that early posting is classed as meaty then scum have been getting a free ride so far. But there's a chance I'm wrong and there's another scum to hit so I am willing to reasons where to go.In post 518, Meuh wrote:This post doesn't really change my mind on Pear. The only real point against Pear I agree with is the lack of interaction/ignoring others, I do wish they had talked more directly. Calling Pear's early posts fluff or empty is extremely weak to me considering they were some of the meatiest content we had up to that point. You can always put on conf bias glasses on a reread and see the scumminess in posts and I can see why you think some of the things you do, but it doesn't really click to me. Shooting Pear today seems like a bad call.
Oh actually another point that makes sense is the scum team versatility and while that is true, I can't justify going after someone who looks town otherwise just because of this.
In post 520, Meuh wrote:I haven't liked Marci's recent posts and considering the pressure being put on her, I'll go ahead and ISO her.I'm not liking this if Marci is scum, but I'm sure a follow up will ease my thoughts here.
Why didn't you vote Norwee yesterday?In post 522, marcistar wrote:Ask me things then...? I don't check the thread often anymore since i've been a bit busy with classes and such lately, but i'll still see it.. I can reply to whatever you ask
What parts are content? Because I have been through Pear's ISO a few times now and I don't see anything of the sort, that's not forced or just plain empty.In post 524, T3 wrote:Pear has had a lack of interaction but has been posting content.
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Do you still agree with it though?In post 531, catboi wrote:I don't like how this feels like you're repeating something I already said earlier in the day.- VFP
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Meuh is always town here for me.
Marci lim works for me and I think we just win with Meuh, T3, and iN3krO as town here.
Marci scum makes NM town and iN3krO is plausibly the partner for 513
Marci town just means 2 scum in Pear, Catboi, and NM- VFP
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Deep wolf.In post 553, Not_Mafia wrote:VFP what's with the Pear push?- VFP
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Of course. Pear is getting off lightly for ticking the scum boxes.In post 560, Not_Mafia wrote:And you think day 2 when we stopped the kill n1 is time for a deep wolf push
The fact they still haven't gone over iN3krO after 2 requests makes me think they just can't generate another fake read. 542 also shows that they are not reading the game as I already stated why you and Marci aren't scum together.
I'll vote betwen Pear, Marci, and Catboi at this point.
Marci is currently E1 (I think?) and I'll hammer if it comes to it but I want some input first since little has been said since I joined in.
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Well, this makes it seems that you didn't read my posts either.In post 562, Meuh wrote:A singular line linking to a singular post with no further explanation is honestly not something I think you should expect people to remember really? Tbh I forgot you even made that explanation in the first place, I think it's a stretch to imply Pear "isn't reading the game" for this.
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For clarification.In post 501, VFP wrote:NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.- VFP
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This is a really good post and a good spot.In post 574, Lukewarm wrote:Hopefully, everyone sees the discrepancy here. So it seems to me, like he was making up a story to try and get people to agree with his push at the time, and did not realize that he had already made up the exact opposite story. This reeks of scum trying to manipulate town.
If you read the context to Pear's posts they are even worse. It's the before and after having NorwegianboyEE as scum.
Just adapting the comment to suit their agenda.- VFP
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This has already been commented on in 527In post 567, catboi wrote:Why do you see this game as similar to pear's scum game but not their town game? I looked at the two and I can't see any obvious differences at a glance.
As stated I though, they only had 1 completed game due to the title not being updated.
I havent read the town game yet and therefore I'm not using this as a push now until I do.- VFP
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I would.In post 571, Pearofclubs wrote:I wouldn't rule out that scumteam.
The fact you use the posting else where argument is also scummy and really doesn't go down too well for me.
I'm still waiting for your read on iN3krO
Can you give the read based on before Lukewarm joined and then after Lukewarm joined?
The problem with this is it still meets what Lukewarm said and is manipulative. In both comments you say hour last game. You are using this vague information to justify your read on someone, and using the same argument just flipped to justify.In post 576, Pearofclubs wrote:To put names to the people you're talking about, I was suspicious of Word because he was publicly helpful to everyone early on- in particular, telling people how to scumhunt. I suspected he was scum for that reason.
Notscience was nice and encouraging to me specifically, and I ended up liking him more than I should have. I missed scumtells that were obvious in retrospect.
The last three players were myself, Word and Notscience.
Here's the thread.
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And yet both are used to justify a read just reversed.In post 589, Not_Mafia wrote:It's not, both of those thing can be true
Why is Pear town to you?
Pear shading you without pushing you as scum or voting concerns me here.- VFP
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In post 569, catboi wrote:I do think VFP is probably townie.A bit of a change of heart there?
I can lim Catboi today as it's probably just catboi and Pear with NM as the back up.
608 was just basically trying to get a confirmation of a PR.
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Where did you think Marci was softing?In post 618, catboi wrote:Yes, actually. My previous scumread was wrong, I'm rethinking N_M, I don't buy the wagon on pear whatsoever. My preference would be lukewarm over you since in my view his reasoning is just blatantly scummy but beggars can't be choosers.- VFP
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So you thought that this post was a hint to being a PR?In post 620, catboi wrote:Fir the record as mafia here I probably unvote when I see this and don't press her further so I can hopefully NK her without doc protection.- VFP
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Why would you think that Catboi CC Marci here and still want to vote NM?
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Regardless I'm pretty sure this is just a win.
Meuh not visiting makes them town here as they would have been visiting for either the kill or the Rolecop.
Pear being protected means town.
2 PR claims not CC.
This means we have 4 town out of 7 going into night 2.
Scum are only possible to be in me, T3, Catboi, and Lukewarm.
I don't think T3 is scum here so the pool narrows down to me, Catboi, and Lukewarm with T3 as the additional.
NM dies tonight, we have 3 town and a clear on someone. Scum flip today means that we have 4 town out of 6 players.
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My understanding is 1 action per player in newbies.In post 692, Lukewarm wrote:Is it not possible that one scum does both the rolecop ability and the kill? If so, how can you clear Meuh?
Unless I'm wrong here, Meuh can't be scum.- VFP
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Hmmm, that means I'm right with 3 town + 1 most likely town.In post 703, catboi wrote:The rules allow for multitasking now, I don't know when it changed
But the point is still there I guess, Meuh isn't flipping scum.- VFP
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Catboi and Lukewarm.
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Should have kept this for tomorrow.In post 738, Pearofclubs wrote:Also worth noting, at this point scum might elect to not kill tonight, in order to throw off our attempts to use marci to pseudo-rolecop.
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Highly plausible.In post 765, Not_Mafia wrote:Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here
It's a 66% chance of hitting scum on me right now.- VFP
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T3 isn't flipping scum.In post 768, Lukewarm wrote:How is that math working? NotMafia, Marci, and Pear are full clear, there is an argument to be made that Meuh is clear, but that still leave me, you, catboi, and T3, no? So 50%.
3 scum are in me, you, and Catboi.
You should be seeing me and Catboi as scum here.- VFP
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I feel like I can read T3.
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Then lim Catboi and work it from there.In post 773, Lukewarm wrote:My concern with this post, is that if you do flip town, that would leave the PoE down to me+caboi, which I already know is not true - VFP
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