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[osuka]

it is nearly 4:30 am over here so i’m gonna head to sleep like right now, but before i do i have an announcement of extreme importance

[osuka]

VOTE: andres

[osuka]

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[osuka]

VOTE: Andres
can't argue with the ted talk

welcome to the townbloc

[osuka]

Hi guys :)

VOTE: Green Crayons

~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

@Mod,

is this color working for you now?

that colour is readable to me, so if you ask me, feel free to use it.

however, if any of the players end up having trouble reading that colour, i will have to ask you to use non-coloured text.

I'll keep changing colors but not non-coloured texts, okay? :cry: :cry: :cry:

this is a terrible color to read especially on mobile, please change it

in the meantime, VOTE: faria

[osuka]

i have an extremely important question for all that is guaranteed to find scum

what is the best flavor of pringles?

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

nice

i'm convinced
VOTE: osuka

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

youre clearly lying

i have an extremely important question for all that is guaranteed to find scum

what is the best flavor of pringles?

Sour cream and onion.

this does not come from scum

[osuka]

good to see you too though, let's get it

[osuka]

we can start by not lying

[osuka]

this is a terrible color to read especially on mobile, please change it

Is this color better for you?

only slightly. not to be an ass but there's a reason the default colors are the default, they look good and they're easy to read. it's impossible to pick a single color that will work against every background

that said i do appreciate your willingness to change it up to make it easier to read. try a lighter color? maybe then the folks with light themes are gonna yell at you, but this one isn't great on mafblack

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

1) voting town
2) scum lies
3) classic mafia setting themselves up so they can "fail" on purpose
4) pocketing attempt already?

My vote is clearly in the right place

i dont see that as a pocketing attempt from andres given the games we've played together. this reads ok to me

[osuka]

THAT SAID

[osuka]

youre clearly lying

Yes of course I’m clearly lying. It’s a joke.

At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

why are you going so easy on me? you know from past experience that i fake "genuine" reactions pretty regularly, so even if nothing up until this point was weird I have to say this really does strike me the wrong way

moreover, why are you defending me? it's page 3 and it sounds like you have me as conftown

[osuka]

this color is better yes

[osuka]

the content of this post, however, is not anywhere near anything i can describe with a positive adjective

[osuka]

vote out my townread

????????????????

[osuka]

this color is better yes

the content of this post, however, is not anywhere near anything i can describe with a positive adjective

:?

What is negative in my post?

everything

for starters, we had already established that the post you said was a pocketing attempt was actually probably not one because andres knows it takes more than that to pocket me, wifom is used by anyone (hence why it works in the first place), and the rest of the post has no substance whatsoever

[osuka]

vote out my townread

????????????????

in light of 76 this might have been a joke that went over my head

someone please tell me if im stupid

[osuka]

i'm telling you you're a genius

oh you dont need to tell me that, i already know

[osuka]

osuka

??????????????????????????????

[osuka]

i have posted way too many question marks for this game to be on page 4

[osuka]

is this gonna be another one of these games where i accidentally votepark myself d1 because i forgot to change it for 30 pages

[osuka]

the content of this post, however, is not anywhere near anything i can describe with a positive adjective

:?

What is negative in my post?

everything

for starters, we had already established that the post you said was a pocketing attempt was actually probably not one because andres knows it takes more than that to pocket me, wifom is used by anyone (hence why it works in the first place), and the rest of the post has no substance whatsoever

1.

You established that

doesn't mean I'll feel exactly what you feel? You also said on 63 that

Andresvmb

is going easy on you. I see that as a pocketing attempt from him.

2.

On 43,

PawnsGambit

was talking about general behavior for scums and townread you and

Andresvmb

based on that but I don't agree cause I think

in general term

, scums normally (or can) use WIFOM on the starting of the game.

3.

I agree with

Save The Dragons

's 46, he mentioned two names who he thought one of them can be scum and I put my input there.

4.

The last 2 posts are NAI. NAI posts can't have substance, can they?

you should learn to read. why are you inferring from 63 that i think it's pocketing if i said very clearly in 61 that i didn't think it was? this is either a colossal misrep or a symptom of low brainpower. furthermore: why does my interpretation of andres' post influence _your_ read of it? In other words, why does my comment on it factor into whether or not _you_ think it's a pocketing attempt? most importantly, why does 63 influence your read of it but 61 does not?

as an aside, nai posts can absolutely have substance. it just means they're not substantial in a way you can infer alignment from, for a given poster

[osuka]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I’m not going to shy away from a fight if that’s what you want.

so what's this all about?

that's probably just andres' brain short circuiting. it does that every once in a while

[osuka]

there you go, then learn to write because you really did not express yourself clearly

something something you've never played with me so clearly you don't know how it goes, but this is kind of how it is. i'm not gonna put in a lot of effort (or any, really) into being polite if someone else didn't bother to read a post

[osuka]

well that's the absolute quickest i've ever taken anyone from 0 to tilt

sorry datisi

[osuka]

jsyk english is not my first language either and you have struck me as fluent enough that i wouldn't think that that would be a problem here. to be perfectly clear, none of this is meant personally to you and i don't mean for any of this to carry outside of the scope of this game in particular, not even to other, future games we may both be in.

and hey, sorry if i actually legitimately offended you. it's a game and at the end of the day yeah, i'm a bit of an ass but i haven't had anyone go full tilt like that so quickly, so i do apologize if i did actually get to you too badly. there's an element of getting people slightly tilted that gives cues (which is part of why i take stabs at people), but my intent is never to take away from other players' fun in the game. I'm more than happy to have you in the plist here - as i said, nothing personal

[osuka]

i'll have to ask you to explain what you mean by mafia vs kum-ba-yah because i have only a slight idea what one of these things are and i have never heard of the other

and isn't the whole point of playing scum to make it _look_ like you're pro-town but actually not?

[osuka]

your joindate is recent and you sound suspiciously naive to i'm going to assume this is not an alt and lay it out for you: good mafia players will absolutely look like town like 95+% of the time and do all sorts of shenanigans while at it

just because something looks pro-town it doesn't mean it actually is

[osuka]

???

if you suspect that it is only pro-town on the surface, why wouldn't you? further: if scum did something genuinely pro-town, would you not still want to vote them? maybe for other reasons, sure, but in any game, any one given player will have done both scummy and towny things and there's only ever one alignment they will be

[osuka]

117 was @ 115 i just got ninja'd

[osuka]

and what does scum trying to look town look like to you?

[osuka]

did you just make a fortnite reference

[osuka]

VOTE: anya

[osuka]

pagetops are for daddy

[osuka]

@andres please explain to these nerds what that means

[osuka]

also what the fuck does a "bishop kind of player" mean

[osuka]

so what does the plane have to do with anything

[osuka]

this is the least sense a game of mafia has ever made to me and ive been in some shit games

[osuka]

so we went from skydiving to minesweeper to chess?

[osuka]

how does the username even factor into anything that was mentioned?

[osuka]

oh i see what you're saying, so the mines really are just regular mines that just happen to be in the way of the pawns

[osuka]

so in a way really the scum is just skydiving with all of us

[osuka]

okay i think i got it

VOTE: pawnsgambit

[osuka]

i would say we just take one of these mines and a slingshot and try our best to hit him with it

[osuka]

itt we post statistics pulled out of someone's ass

[osuka]

did you know that 69% of the statistics are made up on the spot?

did you know up to 72% of statistics you read online are completely made up

Did you know over 73% of statistics you see on the internet are made up?

but you know, it's not like that's ever happened before in a game of mafia

[osuka]

notice how the numbers just keep going up over time? not a coincidence

[osuka]

but have you tried flipping the board?

[osuka]

@andres please explain to these nerds what that means

Are we doing this again? Are you going to write daddy every time you take a pagetop? Hahaha

ydrasse isn't here so i have to make up for it somehow

[osuka]

daddy

i love you

[osuka]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I’m not going to shy away from a fight if that’s what you want.

so what's this all about?

that's probably just andres' brain short circuiting. it does that every once in a while

As much as I want to be offended by this, I can’t disagree.

this sent me into a laughing fit that would wake up someone sleeping next door

[osuka]

your joindate is recent and you sound suspiciously naive to i'm going to assume this is not an alt and lay it out for you: good mafia players will absolutely look like town like 95+% of the time and do all sorts of shenanigans while at it

I guess you’re talking about yourself and not me here, aren’t you?

i dont think ive ever seen you play scum so i truly dont know how good you are

but that could just be my brain fried. ive gotten completely played by scum in the past that i had as locktown so really the point i'm trying to make is dont rule anyone out too soon and always be willing to reevaluate

[osuka]

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

it was never a push? i was literally just calling out a stupid post that wouldve been a point of conversation later and had it not been for the extreme reaction, wouldn't be anymore. stupid posts make for stupid conversations and stupid conversations make for stupid pushes, which are ultimately bad for town because you need to play intelligently to win as town

[osuka]

like i dont really have much reason to believe she's scum but i don't think that reaction changes based on her alignment. why do you think that's towny?

[osuka]

i dont think ive ever seen you play scum so i truly dont know how good you are

The answer is not good. I think I have a hard time faking interactions with players that are Town. I always feel like I can do what I want as Town provided I’m trying to get to the right answer. With Scum it’s too much about pushing the right players and working around the players that are impossible to get killed. And there’s always a few.

and how was i supposed to know this before you told me? in fact how am I even supposed to take this at face value?

[osuka]

like i dont really have much reason to believe she's scum but i don't think that reaction changes based on her alignment. why do you think that's towny?

I thought most of their posting was Scummy actually. To be transparent. But I have a hard time thinking that Scum get so offended by something so fast. And I really don’t put you down as the player to engage in that sort of dumb theater with a Partner so I’m going to assume at worst, you two are not aligned.

when was the last time you saw _anyone_ get that offended that fast, regardless of alignment? i don't think i have ever

[osuka]

Symptom of low brain power???? Really bro??? If you can't play respectfully, don't bother to engage with me ever, please.

Like c’mon. They actually read like they’re pissed off hahaha and they’re not even using it as a way to SR you and vote you. Since, you know, the idea was that I’m trying to pocket you. It’s too... self-righteous.

ah yeah it was the "bro" that did it for me

it was 50/50 she wanted to vote me or she wanted to throw hands in a mcdonalds parking lot at 3 am

[osuka]

like i dont really have much reason to believe she's scum but i don't think that reaction changes based on her alignment. why do you think that's towny?

I thought most of their posting was Scummy actually. To be transparent. But I have a hard time thinking that Scum get so offended by something so fast. And I really don’t put you down as the player to engage in that sort of dumb theater with a Partner so I’m going to assume at worst, you two are not aligned.

when was the last time you saw _anyone_ get that offended that fast, regardless of alignment? i don't think i have ever

That fast? Hm. I do know of a player that had a knack for insulting others and getting under people’s skin. In fact, I think I was warned ahead of the game about them being potentially toxic. They didn’t disappoint. I don’t think you’ve done anything that merited that strong of a reaction, but suggesting that someone had low brain power isn’t your finest moment haha

yeah honestly the first half of that i was actually not sure if you were talking about me and yes i know, i did actually measure my words there because i was gonna be a lot harsher but i decided to tone it down a bit

i do have my moments and i don’t think this was quite a stroke of brilliance at all

[osuka]

I think Anya’s instinct to vote a player that’s lurking given how the game has gone has some merit.

come on man isn’t this like scum 101

[osuka]

I think Anya’s instinct to vote a player that’s lurking given how the game has gone has some merit.

come on man isn’t this like scum 101

You know what I’ve learned from playing more than a few games around here? The Scum like to control the game state only when they absolutely have to (unless the Scum have a few really seasoned or skilled players, and there’s just not that many players like that out there). If they feel we’re closing in, then they start pushing back. Otherwise? They let the Town eat themselves. The easiest way to avoid that is by getting the harder players to read to either post or die.

as scum, that’s a move that takes zero effort and has like nearly zero risk

[osuka]

I think Anya’s instinct to vote a player that’s lurking given how the game has gone has some merit.

come on man isn’t this like scum 101

You know what I’ve learned from playing more than a few games around here? The Scum like to control the game state only when they absolutely have to (unless the Scum have a few really seasoned or skilled players, and there’s just not that many players like that out there). If they feel we’re closing in, then they start pushing back. Otherwise? They let the Town eat themselves. The easiest way to avoid that is by getting the harder players to read to either post or die.

as scum, that’s a move that takes zero effort and has like nearly zero risk

That’s only if the players we push don’t make any effort to fight back. And we do take substantial risk in leaving players that don’t want to actually make their alignments more obvious to the rest of us. You might think short term it’s a bad play, but I’ve lost way too many games because the more obvious players are killed first, the Town make a few mistakes, and the players left at the end have limited posting histories and bad voting records.

first of all: “we”?

i never said it’s a bad play. i just said it’s probably an ok one, and really what i said was that you shouldn’t give anya towncred for that

[osuka]

That's why you shouldn't vote out players for being obnoxious.

this takes the cake for being the least insightful post of the thread so far

[osuka]

That’s until you can sell me on someone that’s actually Scummy of course I wouldn’t pass up on such a vote. But it’s still early in the game and we have multiple players with <5 posts. Like c’mon now. And affirming that you’re confirmed Town by your second post and not putting anything else out there does ping me.

isn’t that like shitposting 101?

[osuka]

first of all: “we”?

The Town.

i literally started the post you quoted with “as scum”

i’m not ready to call that a slip but that’s one of the weirdest posts i’ve ever seen from you

[osuka]

That’s until you can sell me on someone that’s actually Scummy of course I wouldn’t pass up on such a vote. But it’s still early in the game and we have multiple players with <5 posts. Like c’mon now. And affirming that you’re confirmed Town by your second post and not putting anything else out there does ping me.

isn’t that like shitposting 101?

Isn’t this just asking random questions 101?

come on you’re better than this

i’m saying that’s a shitpost and you shouldn’t take it seriously

[osuka]

first of all: “we”?

The Town.

i literally started the post you quoted with “as scum”

i’m not ready to call that a slip but that’s one of the weirdest posts i’ve ever seen from you

Scum slips are rare. And I don’t make them.

What I was saying is that we do run the risk of letting Scum get away with a few easy executions, yes. That’s a risk. But that only happens if the players being pushed don’t fight back. If they do, and we can correctly read the reactions, then we can move on and find a better target. People tend to more actively participate when they’re under pressure. I am tired of letting Town skate by just so that they can be made easy targets later in games.

other than the useless self meta i’m willing to call this an ok post

[osuka]

That’s until you can sell me on someone that’s actually Scummy of course I wouldn’t pass up on such a vote. But it’s still early in the game and we have multiple players with <5 posts. Like c’mon now. And affirming that you’re confirmed Town by your second post and not putting anything else out there does ping me.

isn’t that like shitposting 101?

Isn’t this just asking random questions 101?

come on you’re better than this

i’m saying that’s a shitpost and you shouldn’t take it seriously

Yeah it’s a shitpost I agree. So? Where’s the real content? A player with two posts isn’t worth defending as far as I’m concerned.

a player with no content can’t be pushed because they have no content so you couldn’t possibly read them. my point being, any read you have on a player with 2 posts, at least one of which is a shitpost, is completely made up

[osuka]

What's the most insightful post?

definitely not this one

[osuka]

Andres, you said that osuka's reaction seemed genuine. Can you elaborate? What would an ungenuine reaction from osuka look like?

He called me out for lying, which I obviously was since I was simply entering the game and throwing out nonsense. My perception is that osuka would have tried to buddy me if they were not being genuine. Like agreed with my post and voted the same player, or immediately placed me as Town (since I was quite obviously extending an olive branch). Instead, osuka gives me crap about putting misinformation out there. And then later, they question me for “defending them”. That seems like a Town player actually concerned about getting pocketed. So it earns a pass from me.

Mmm, that doesn't quite jibe with me. You clearly were making a joke and expected for it to be taken as a joke. Osuka's reaction of not believing you (prudent) while not acting like it was a blatant joke (not prudent at all) would be the last reaction I would expect.

I can explain what I was trying to do and you guys can tell me what you think.

I didn’t have a strong read of osuka when I first approached the game. But, last time we played, I failed to listen to them (in a way that clearly hurt the Town, since they were correct and I wasn’t), and so I wanted to let them stay in the game, provide input, and see where it lead. Yeah, they’re pretty tricky to read. But I thought I would give it a chance.

Let's talk about this. Can you explain what you mean by "letting them stay in the game"?

As an aside, the game has been open for less than 24 hours; nobody is a lurker yet. Osuka, you have more posts than the second and third most prolific posters combined. Dial it down.

yeah you’ve never played with me so just letting you know i’m not going anywhere anytime soon so expect high post count, short posts.

if someone has a problem with that they can take it up with the complaints department at 1-800-555-6969

[osuka]

DADDY

good

[osuka]

alright i do have a comment but i’ll hold off for now

[osuka]

Anyway, at everyone else, until someone slips up I'm going to coast. Feel free to give me reason outside of gut or meta to why I should consider someone scum though.

this deeply annoys me and is alone almost enough reason for me to want you out of the game because this kind of attitude has absolutely no place in a game of mafia where you’re town aligned, so either you’re scum or you’re town that’s deliberately playing in a shit way

[osuka]

this deeply annoys me and is alone almost enough reason for me to want you out of the game because this kind of attitude has absolutely no place in a game of mafia where you’re town aligned, so either you’re scum or you’re town that’s deliberately playing in a shit way

Well you're entitled to your vote where ever.
I'm not saying I won't do stuff once I have something to go by, I'm just not going to pretend someone is scum or town because of gut or some silly little reason until I feel satisfied.
As I said though, I'm sure you can provide a good case to where my vote should be l instead if you truly feel this way.

piss poor

you should be making your own cases and the fact that you’re openly and unapologetically admitting to playing in an anti-town way is, and bear with me as this is jargon so i might misspell it, sad as all fuck

VOTE: vfp since you quite literally asked for it

[osuka]

So we have Osuka as someone who doesn't have any actual reads and pretending they do.
This may just be an easy game yet.

pawns gambit has some work to do if he wants to keep the shittiest post award because this is an exceptionally low bar

[osuka]

but hey at least you’re posting something now so baby steps i guess

[osuka]

pawns gambit has some work to do if he wants to keep the shittiest post award because this is an exceptionally low ba

It's fine, I might just decide that you are the lim,.or maybe just wait until tomorrow. This kind of post is just to lazily shade and give weak validation to a weak read. There's no doubt that my comment is correct here with you pretending to have reads.
But your responses are not looking good at all so far.

VOTE: Osuka

okay since you clearly are struggling to understand some of the subtleties of the game so far, here are a few laid out for you: i never said i think you’re scum, you actually haven’t produced enough content for anyone to read you and on that note, half the plist (both of us included) have explicitly said that and it’s safe to assume the rest is acutely aware of it. you’re clearly clueless, so it probably is worth pointing out the obvious fact that mine is what is called a pressure vote. do your homework.

i can do better than lazily shade and only because datisi asked me to, i’m actively trying to restrain myself in how i express just how shit your game has been so far. as i said and you brilliantly ignored, i’m putting pressure on you to give you a reason to start producing content so that the game can move forward instead of just letting yourself sit in a hole and do fucking nothing d1

is that clear enough for you or do i have to open ms paint?

[osuka]

How about this, once I finish work today, I'll spoiler every post you have made up until this point and go through what is actively pushing the game forward or scum hunting to what is just dribble posting.
Since you want to comment on someone's activity here.

Let's hope.you don't come up too short here.

go for it, i’m waiting for what i’m sure is gonna be the best case on my iso i’ve ever seen. you haven’t picked up on the obvious things, so pardon me if my expectations aren’t the highest when it comes to figuring out the flow of the game

[osuka]

VOTE: vfp

feels like he's entering a shopping centre and treating it like a boxing ring looking for a fight with sales assistant osuka the confidence seems unfounded

excuse me i’m offended i’m not the sales manager in your metaphor here

[osuka]

VOTE: vfp

feels like he's entering a shopping centre and treating it like a boxing ring looking for a fight with sales assistant osuka the confidence seems unfounded

Possibly quite right.
Regardless Osuka is scum. Its a generic scum reaction to try and be toxic to get focus away from yourself.
Unless Osuka is just like this as a person I'm going to need a lot more convincing here.

i would link my previous games but i would honestly say just pick any of the recent ones and youll find yourself convinced

i dont recall rolling scum in a long while so any of the recent ones should be town games. check the op to make sure, something something you know how to read so make use of that

[osuka]

i am read on andres is weak but i think he can be town for now? i dont think this game has gone long enough for me to be able to really get something out of that slot

[osuka]

of course ive never seen his scum play, so this could be just an example of someone who is really good at scum. not sure

[osuka]

okay im swinging in to let you nerds know that i did skim the thread and saw some fairly stupid things already but i have to go run some errands, so whenever i come back be prepared for the hottest takes of all time and for the ultimate roast of players that are the personification of the dunning-kruger effect

[osuka]

before i start i want to let everyone know that swifty's rerecording of fearless is beautifully played and brilliantly mastered, and it's TICKLING the shit out of my ears. this is the most ive enjoyed my headphones in a while

[osuka]

I'm getting 'Bad requests size.of header exceeds limit on the PC. Meaning I can view pages.
How do I fix that? Anyone know?

that's a problem on your end, try another browser

[osuka]

first of all: i'm actually a bit offended that vfp thinks i'm an xqc fan because that's actually kinda gross. on that note, a few observations:
- a lot of the posts they have under "filler" are not game related at all but do have a purpose, such as communicating with another player about the color of their text being difficult to read. This is not close to being fluff because even though it's not game content, strictly speaking, it serves a specific purpose;
- a lot of the other posts they have under "filler" are not, in fact, filler but are game content, further supporting my point that they are incapable of nuance (see 114, 185, 199, 202, 213, etc.);
- a lot of the other posts they have under "filler" aren't actually filler either, but they called it that because they can't make sense of it for reasons I suspect but shall not elaborate on in the interest of not tilting another player (too early for that);
- finally, a lot of the "low effort" appearance they're using as a push is, in fact, just a blunt communication profile (and sharp can mean "edgy" if they think i sub to xqc on twitch) but as previously mentioned, has nuance to it.

i'm not gonna sit here and explain my every thought with a beautifully written paragraph because i have better things to do, which include making fun of people who expect that of me. if you can't read _into_ the posts and all you can do is parse a simple sentence and extract basic meaning from it based off of the meaning of the words alone, that's strictly your problem and i'm not going to change my playstyle. in other words, if you're incapable of meaningful inference, that is Not My Problem™ and i'm not gonna be the one to work around that

[osuka]

that said, you have a few questions that i would actually call good at the end of 275.

1, it's way too early to be calling out names for an execution today so i'm going to refrain from answering that bit of the first question because it's stupid and i'm not going to engage with that. that said, whoever you should push is whatever scumread you have that you think you can make a substantial push towards, even if it's a slot you don't actually have high confidence is scum. that could be myself, for example, but if you want to push me you'll have to do a lot better than what you just did

2 and 3 are impossible (loaded?) questions to answer on page 13 but i can say that i would probably not shoot andres because i think i can personally get more out of that slot. i don't think i would vig you either because if you're town, that's a bad kill and if you're scum, i'm not particularly threatened by you. either way, better shots to make here. as for protection, i really don't have a clue because i'm just about the only slot that's about to throw hands and i don't even think i qualify as a good protect target yet either. feel free to ask me these questions again in 20 pages and i'll probably have something more substantial for you

[osuka]

andante has a month on the website so she really should know better than to be like "this is how you should read me because xyz, oh yeah by the way i scumread whoever but uh oh jeez i gotta go find that post"

[osuka]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

[osuka]

302 is a surprisingly insightful post for a player that's been pretty far off the mark up until this point

[osuka]

rmh has literally zero lines of content worth anyone's time, so i'm not quite sure what the fuck is going on there

[osuka]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

yeah they're genuine... you don't think so? sorry can't help you then

okay let me elaborate

asking the room,

except andante because we're talking about her and her opinion on whether or not it was genuine is completely worthless because we can't take someone's opinion at face value, let alone about their own posts

is that more easier for you?

[osuka]

you definitely can't help me but you're obviously making no effort to help yourself given the fact that you've only posted things that are entirely superficial and haven't actually elaborated on any of your thoughts so far in any way whatsoever

[osuka]

what exactly is it about me that gives you bad vibes? the fact I'm actually going to try and find scum?

case in point: what the fuck is this post? this is amateur hour

[osuka]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

[osuka]

let's talk about you dragons. you've asked a bunch of questions and they've all been ok but nobody has actually taken the time to talk to you

what's your take on vfp's push?

[osuka]

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[osuka]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

yeah that's fair

can you put your finger on anything

[osuka]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

I think osuka was saying that your response was fake.

isn't that exactly what his response is to?

[osuka]

let's ignore today's CNS short circuit coming from andres and resume the conversation

[osuka]

guess who the unlucky fucker is that has to stay up late to figure out some bullshit that the design team changed THE DAY THE FEATURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERED?

YOU GUESSED RIGHT IT'S ME, EXPECT SOME LATE SHITPOSTS AND THE WORST CONTENT YOU'VE EVER SEEN COMING YOUR WAY VERY SOON

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

kinda weird you'd talk about things going over your head? are those missile cruisers that you're playing to bomb us with?

weird filler vote that went completely unchallenged by osuka, followed by whatever the hell that chess/minesweeper nothingness was

why would i challenge a vote that is clearly a joke?

[osuka]

okay other than the "next trick" part actually sending my into hysterical laughter, i have a follow up question

why would i actually push someone for shitposting? i know that of all people on ms im probably one of the last to have a right to complain about shitposting, but why would anyone?

[osuka]

I'm torn between weather osuka is obvtown or if he might just hurt us in the long run by not listening to feedback and thinking that he's always right.

first of all what feedback am i supposed to listen to

second of all i am always right so i dont know what youre on about

[osuka]

daddy?

yes daddy

[osuka]

That's just the thing though, I'm suspicious of players that don't self evaluate.

just because i dont loudly self-evaluate it doesnt mean i dont do it. what makes you think that?

[osuka]

Because you've been a fairly one note player so far.

explain

[osuka]

A large portion of the posts you've made have been regarding how high of an opinion you hold of yourself and the low opinion you hold of other players.

that sounds about right yeah, just another day in my life

[osuka]

good luck on your job interview

ill be back later to post some thoughts

[osuka]

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

okay let's assume for a second pawns and i are scum buddies

would i not coach him so he doesn't do the stupid shit youre saying hes doing? furthermore, if hes doing stupid shit why would i protect him? do you seriously think im that stupid?

[osuka]

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

Do you know that osuka is town, by any chance? If so, please let us all know, this would be very useful information.

how would he? only thing i can think of is if he's scum

[osuka]

I can tell Osuka is trying to sort people by conversing with a wide variety of players. This to me is genuine scum hunting.

call me pocketed but isn't this a perfectly appropriate response for 413?

[osuka]

not asking you to have hard reads, asking you to back up the claims you've already made.

if you'd like to talk about robert as well, go ahead. i'm all ears

p-edit i am actually defending everyone im not voting. i think everyone is town except the person im currently voting, at all times

This is a pretty stupid approach to mafia.

I've already made my case on robert.

i must have completely missed it because all i see are one liner posts and you never actually elaborate on why you think robert is scum

please point me towards where you made your case on that slot

[osuka]

never mind im only now catching up and i just saw 438

[osuka]

I am caught up, I read regularly even though sometimes I do not post.

It's entirely my fault, but I have yet to interact with players directly, which is my favored method for evaluating alignments.

so you openly admit to lurking and you say favor interacting with people directly to evaluate alignment

why the fuck havent you done that then?

[osuka]

VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

????????????

[osuka]

at this point i find myself wondering how is it that people think im controlling the game because i really dont feel like i have a great grip of what the fuck is going on, in all honesty

[osuka]

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

explain

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

so... you think this slot is scum? why are you being so soft on gc?

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

why does doubling down make him townie? do you think pawn vs lemons is tvt? tvs? svs?

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

what the fuck?

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

explain

[osuka]

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

????????????

do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

[osuka]

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

[osuka]

this is amateur hour

[osuka]

I think it’s possible that the Scum are actually trying to get away with my murder here. Fascinating.

please elaborate

[osuka]

It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

for the millionth time on this page: what the fuck?????

why is being not concerned with making friends a reason to scumread someone?

[osuka]

like, when did THAT happen? doesn't scum benefit much more from "making friends" than town?

[osuka]

I can tell Osuka is trying to sort people by conversing with a wide variety of players. This to me is genuine scum hunting.

call me pocketed but isn't this a perfectly appropriate response for 413?

it's the complete avoidance of VFP's request for even one specific post that pings for me. the question "at what post did you feel osuka was scumhunting" is answered with yet another general statement, rather than just taking the time to find one of multiple posts of yours (313, 325) which exemplify the strategy he's talking about. it feels intentionally standoffish. you can see more of a similarly hostile/paranoid mentality in 425. so much nervous, agitated energy is present in the posts where he's being pressured and it feels driven by a desire to get people to talk about anyone but himself.

i think 425 is an example of a scumpost that can come from a VI. if town is playing this game stupidly or if a given player is particularly bullheaded, can you not see that post coming from town?

[osuka]

that was to pawniard who thinks voting for pawniard is defending robert for some reason

the question marks were on the vote

why andres?

[osuka]

like what the fuck? that vote only makes sense to me if you accidentally voted the wrong guy and never noticed

[osuka]

yeah but that kinda came out of nowhere didn’t it? he hadn’t posted in a while and the conversation didn’t really have to do with him do the vote was really out of left field

[osuka]

okay, why do you think andres is scum?

[osuka]

you’ve said something about getting nervous vibes and gut but not much else that i recall. do you have anything you can point at?

[osuka]

DADDY

[osuka]

It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

for the millionth time on this page: what the fuck?????

why is being not concerned with making friends a reason to scumread someone?

Being overly antagonistic usually leads to getting yourself eliminated rather than your scumreads.

if you need evidence contrary to this shit tier theory, literally just look at any of my past games

[osuka]

It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

for the millionth time on this page: what the fuck?????

why is being not concerned with making friends a reason to scumread someone?

Being overly antagonistic usually leads to getting yourself eliminated rather than your scumreads.

if you need evidence contrary to this shit tier theory, literally just look at any of my past games

Maybe you have a endearment towards others you're not aware of.

i can assure you i do not and i am in fact deeply annoyed by posts like these, which are somehow simultaneously completely devoid of game advancing content and exceptionally stupid

[osuka]

However, it does look like you got eliminated on day 2 for being "annoying" in boardgames.

even assuming that’s true, that’s one of how many games i’ve played?

[osuka]

what the fuck is going on here?

[osuka]

VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

????????????

????????????????????????

i hope you’re just catching up and replying as you go. if you are, don’t read the rest of this message

if you’re not: learn to fucking read, i had a whole conversation with std about this

[osuka]

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

i think this hunter is town for the last paragraph

why on earth does the last paragraph make him town?

[osuka]

it makes him town because a wolf would just make up a reason and not actually have one from earlier while town might've had and forgotten one

oh yeah right because scum would never lie about conveniently forgetting that right

[osuka]

so asteria wolfreads andres because he didn't get the rvs response joke

i don't think not getting jokes is wolfy and it feels like a flimsy reason to wolfread someone over - could be fabricated in a fabrics shop

VOTE: Asteria

did you just parrot back what andres said about that slot?

[osuka]

Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

This is salty enough for me to throw you in the town barrel. Well done, my friend!

what the fucK??????

this is amateu

[osuka]

you’ve said something about getting nervous vibes and gut but not much else that i recall. do you have anything you can point at?

Let's see

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

This is going to be a long game isn’t it?

This pings my scumdar. Can't really grasp why. More of a gut read.

At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

Again, why does he trust you so much?

I’m not going to shy away from a fight if that’s what you want.

Confrontational. Like he's trying to stir shit up.

I might have lured the Scum out though. That post 67 seems like Scum who can’t decide which Towny is an easier push.

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Actually this may be a point for him he seems to genuinely update his read

You know what I’ve learned from playing more than a few games around here? The Scum like to control the game state only when they absolutely have to (unless the Scum have a few really seasoned or skilled players, and there’s just not that many players like that out there). If they feel we’re closing in, then they start pushing back. Otherwise? They let the Town eat themselves. The easiest way to avoid that is by getting the harder players to read to either post or die.

Okay I like this

If only I could care as little about helping as this player does. My life would be filled with far less stress.

This is kind of look at me i'm totally town guys

@Green Crayons can you post? What’s going on? You actually tried to stay somewhat involved as Scum last time we played and revealed your alignment somewhat quickly in my eyes. Are you trying to avoid that here?

I mentioned I didn't like this but didn't say why. Again a lot of gut based on tone, but it just seems disingenuous as a way to build a relationship rather than legitimately curious.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Maybe I need to calibrate my read for his playstyle. Or maybe my gut has caught scum. Who knows?

i dont think your view is unreasonable but i do disagree with a lot that was said here and you might want to reevaluate it in light of the last game andres and i played together in. ill try to find the link for you, one sec

[osuka]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84245

[osuka]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

this is amateur hour

let's see how many times i have to quote that over the course of the game

[osuka]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

explain

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

so... you think this slot is scum? why are you being so soft on gc?

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

why does doubling down make him townie? do you think pawn vs lemons is tvt? tvs? svs?

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

what the fuck?

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

explain

Re: Anya - my evaluation is subjective and I can only provide more subjective wording. Superficial? Light? Not getting down to the grit? I hope to have more clarity as the game advances.

Re: Green Crayons. Am I really soft? Andante is higher in my scum priorities right now. But point taken, I should harass, bother and annoy Green Crayons more. It's now on my to-do list.

Re: Pawn - doubling down

may

make him more town than scum. I could also say it doesn't make him auto-scum for it. I keep a open mind that this player may have rolled town.

Re: Salsabil - 'nuff said.

Re: STD - gut.

this is a terrible post disguised as mediocre

you sidestepped my prompt about your anya read. you just found different words to say exactly the same thing as before. So instead of asking you to explain, now i'm asking you to elaborate

in regards to green crayons: why not push both? there's only limited time on the day so instead of sticking it in a fucking to-do list why don't you just actually go do it if you think you have a reason to? why on earth do i have to tell you to push your scumreads?

in regards to salsabil: why are you angleshooting? if there truly is something that you would say that would get you modkilled, why the fuck would you point that out? what's the purpose of that? this is ridiculous

[osuka]

you can't have "grown to like" STD and then say "gut" when asked why. are you people allergic to providing specific post numbers? or even any general explanation of the kind of behaviour that makes you lean town on him?

I did provide post numbers in earlier posts, so no I am not allergic. I certainly

can

have grown to like a player as town on "gut feeling"

This post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706508 comes chronologically after my evaluation but the vote for Andante makes me irrationally happy.

My STD read could absolutely be wrong, so one can say on this DAY 1, it's a

light

town read.

My "strategy for developing reads" does not meet your approval: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706546 but you are very generous to call it a "strategy." I acknowledge that players town-tell as well, and it's an important aspect of the hunt.

gut is ok, but you need to at least be able to provide a timeframe in which that happened (whether it's a range of posts, a game day, or whatever). if you can't do that, then your comment is completely useless and we're all better off without it

[osuka]

it makes him town because a wolf would just make up a reason and not actually have one from earlier while town might've had and forgotten one

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

i think this hunter is town for the last paragraph

why on earth does the last paragraph make him town?

Scum are often more likely to come up with a reason than admit to forgetting why

holy shit is there an echo in this game? why is anya pushing her own echo???

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

[osuka]

Also looks to me like you decided my response would be nonsense before I even responded.

has it occurred to you that a lot of posts actually are nonsense?

[osuka]

I am noticing that no matter how players answer your question, they excite your ire. This leads me to believe that your inquiries are theater.

What are your current reads and evaluations of each player? Thanks.

i haven't gotten tilted in this game yet so really nothing has invoked my ire

[osuka]

in plist order from op:

1. haschel hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on that slot
2. salsabil hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on that slot, but she did have a complete meltdown at the slightest provocation. that's not really good for telling alignment in a void, which is where that slot otherwise stands
3. andante doesn't have much content but that slot is really defensive in a way that feels funny to me
5. anya says things that feel really out of place somewhat constantly but i'm not sure that's indicative of scummy misdirection or actually just a symptom of deep confusion
6. andres is probably town
7. pawns plays in a way that i think is really strange and phrases things very weird, but i'm not sure he's scum. i think this is squarely in null territory because i've seen really stupid shit and pretty sensible posts coming out of this slot
8. robert constantly says the dumbest shit on the planet and honestly this could be scum playing stupid, but i'm not too sure yet. i don't think this is good d1 exec material
9. i wanna interact with lemons a bit more before i make up my mind on this slot. it's really foggy right now
10. std can be town for now because the content out of that slot is largely sensible and feels natural
11. vfp also constantly says the dumbest shit on the planet and they god pissed at me for seemingly no reason, but it didnt feel like it was a scummy push - just a stupid one. not particularly towny but not my first exec choice
12. gc is a weird slot that says correct things but i'm afraid some of them might be iioa. i want to iso this slot at some point
13. asteria makes nearly zero sense to me and i will try to interact more with this slot, because at the moment i can barely make sense of anything they say, let alone the slot's alignment. this is a weird slot because it's hard to understand the thought process, assuming there is one, so it's extremely difficult to infer purpose and intent

[osuka]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

this is amateur hour

let's see how many times i have to quote that over the course of the game

Since you are displeased with other people's answers. please take the time to illuminate us with your wisdom, which hopefully include the correct and "professional" answer to the question.

okay so let me break it down for you in smaller words

assuming people are town is a shit way to play the game

[osuka]

also daddy

[osuka]

if I'm being completely honest, I wrote down the 13 names this morning, and called it a day... lmao, there's a lot of cool names in this bunch, lots of A's too, and if I'm being completely honest, I don't recall anything specific from anyone, which means I'd actually have to ISO people... I was joking about 13 ISOs lmao, I'm just gonna catch up real quick though

you do realize we have a limited amount of time here right

[osuka]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84245

i skimmed the early posts by him but he seems less aggressive in the linked game.

It was more to try and have people react to my play, which was more aggressive than usual.

it's weird that he calls it out in this game, not sure where i land on that yet.

In the linked game there's a level of defeatism in some of his posts like "eh, I suck at day one" which is replaced by bravado here ("it's going to be a long game, isn't it?"). I thought he said something similar in our game about day 1 but I can't find it now. whatever

the point is i'm not sure this helps his case in my eyes, is there something more specific (or at least a synthesized blurb) you are pointing to with his early behavior that matches the behavior in our game here?

can you elaborate on your town read of andres for me?

maybe he's just been playing with me a lot? i've been told that i give off a vibe of someone who thinks they're surrounded by idiots, but that's because i do feel like i'm constantly surrounded by idiots

ill get some post numbers for you here in just a sec

[osuka]

it makes him town because a wolf would just make up a reason and not actually have one from earlier while town might've had and forgotten one

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

i think this hunter is town for the last paragraph

why on earth does the last paragraph make him town?

Scum are often more likely to come up with a reason than admit to forgetting why

holy shit is there an echo in this game? why is anya pushing her own echo???

I reply in order so I didn't see Anya's post yet

okay let's assume i believe that

why the fuck do you answer that question for anya if it's not directed at you and not even tangentially related to you?

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

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Someone else finally seeing that post as scummy too

no my question marks are at you going "thank you"

you're killing my fucking brain cells

[osuka]

daddy

[osuka]

Re: Anya - my evaluation is subjective and I can only provide more subjective wording. Superficial? Light? Not getting down to the grit? I hope to have more clarity as the game advances.

Re: Green Crayons. Am I really soft? Andante is higher in my scum priorities right now. But point taken, I should harass, bother and annoy Green Crayons more. It's now on my to-do list.

Re: Pawn - doubling down

may

make him more town than scum. I could also say it doesn't make him auto-scum for it. I keep a open mind that this player may have rolled town.

Re: Salsabil - 'nuff said.

Re: STD - gut.

this is a terrible post disguised as mediocre

you sidestepped my prompt about your anya read. you just found different words to say exactly the same thing as before. So instead of asking you to explain, now i'm asking you to elaborate

in regards to green crayons: why not push both? there's only limited time on the day so instead of sticking it in a fucking to-do list why don't you just actually go do it if you think you have a reason to? why on earth do i have to tell you to push your scumreads?

in regards to salsabil: why are you angleshooting? if there truly is something that you would say that would get you modkilled, why the fuck would you point that out? what's the purpose of that? this is ridiculous

I am noticing that no matter how players answer your question, they excite your ire. This leads me to believe that your inquiries are theater.

What are your current reads and evaluations of each player? Thanks.

hey dont think i have forgotten about the fact that you again completely sidestepped my question to ELABORATE on your anya read and instead shamelessly deflected it towards me

[osuka]

osuka why are you letting the lurkers slide?

which lurkers am i letting slide?

[osuka]

further, how am i supposed to push a lurker? there IS no content for me to base a read off of

[osuka]

daddy

[osuka]

11. vfp also constantly says the dumbest shit on the planet and they god pissed at me for seemingly no reason, but it didnt feel like it was a scummy push - just a stupid one. not particularly towny but not my first exec choice
12. gc is a weird slot that says correct things but i'm afraid some of them might be iioa. i want to iso this slot at some point
13. asteria makes nearly zero sense to me and i will try to interact more with this slot, because at the moment i can barely make sense of anything they say, let alone the slot's alignment. this is a weird slot because it's hard to understand the thought process, assuming there is one, so it's extremely difficult to infer purpose and intent

Can you flesh these out since you're so smart?

i will once you answer my question about anya

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Someone else finally seeing that post as scummy too

no my question marks are at you going "thank you"

you're killing my fucking brain cells

Just a phrase, relief someone sees my side

never mind the fact that both of you are wrong and ive said that several times already, what the fuck does 560 add to the conversation?

[osuka]

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

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do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

This feels like scum to me. "I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset" like, it's a weird response to the lines quoted idk

That's fair, just trying to show my thought process for the read though

idk fam, like, "Save the Dragons and I have very similar reads overall" I don't see why that was worth even pointing out though, like, as far as I can tell, no one is really outing solid reads?? idk

When I see someone who is sharing the same general thought process as me that lowers the chances of their being scum motivation behind their reads

this takes the cake for the most naive post i have seen in years

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

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i hope these question marks arent for me

[osuka]

mod notes

~ salsabil faria is v/la until the 16th

nudging salsabil faria.

[osuka]

what makes you say so?

Just seem to be a bit more out there with posts. Easy to tell the motive.
No doubts here that I'll have an alignment read outside of Null before the day ends.

is she still null to you or do you have a better idea?

[osuka]

while you are v/la, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. two nudges equals one prod. if you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of v/la status, you will be replaced.

to make sure everyone is aware of this.

oh that’s a cool rule

sorry i can’t read please don’t kill me

[osuka]

osuka, please explain 461. if you were scum, how could you be coaching pawnsgambit right now, during D1? if i'm missing something obvious, tear me to shreds over it. but i want to know why you said what you said

doesn’t mafia have daytalk by default in normal games? the past several games i’ve played had mafia daytalk

[osuka]

i don’t think that was the case a number of years ago but i do distinctly recall a point where it felt like i woke up and suddenly daytalk just seemed to be the norm

[osuka]

i act like i know asteria is town? i don’t think that slot is town at all but i can’t really find an angle i really feel like locks that slot in as scum for me

[osuka]

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Someone else finally seeing that post as scummy too

no my question marks are at you going "thank you"

you're killing my fucking brain cells

Just a phrase, relief someone sees my side

never mind the fact that both of you are wrong and ive said that several times already, what the fuck does 560 add to the conversation?

It wasn't supposed to add to the conversation. You're nitpicking

then why say it at all?

[osuka]

i act like i know asteria is town? i don’t think that slot is town at all but i can’t really find an angle i really feel like locks that slot in as scum for me

you act like you know andres is town

oh yeah he’s probably my biggest town read right now so i’m just going off of that assumption

[osuka]

i just logged in to work and there are a couple fires to put out

when are you online usually? im gonna need a couple hours here before i can put some time into the game to flesh it out but i would prefer to do it whenever youre online if i can

[osuka]

ok ill just post it whenever i can then. probably wont be until a few hours from now

[osuka]

gonna start with my andres read before i catch up to whatever the fuck happened in this game

40 and 168 feel like town posts from andres early on.

174 feels funny to me but could come from town or scum andres. i don't like the self meta, but i do definitely believe that scum andres wouldn't try to pocket me right out the gate

then 180 feels like an appropriate response to hc's questions, so more town points here. all the way from this point until 189 he's just straight townposting. 201 makes a really good point and overall his gameplay so far feels like it's happening naturally rather than being fabricated

there is a lot of iioa that follows but in general, it doesn't look like he's deliberately making information _seem_ like analysis anyways so i think that engaging with other players in the way he did could come from town andres. his push on rmh is okay i guess and even though he quickly switches to vfp, that's a slot that i do agree feels really weird and it doesn't look like he just made a push up out of thin air, which is what commonly happens when scum sees a slot that can be pushed easily, which i think applies to vfp. his later posts vs asteria are also okay in my book

overall i think this is a markedly townier game than the last one we played together and maybe i should be irked because of just how towny he's looked like to me so far, but i haven't had a reason to just yet. i'll be reevaluating this slot because he's almost _too_ towny, but again for now i think we have slots that are much more likely to be scum in the game

[osuka]

PookyTheMagicalBear replaces PawnsGambit.

oh fuck me alright yeah this thread is going sideways hard

[osuka]

so i'm on page 30 and i think andante is having a fucking meltdown

[osuka]

cause if I'm voted out, yall clearly don't want me. whelp. I want the votes off me when I'm back, thanks. if they're not, idk, I'm down for a salsa or lemons elim tbh, wait whoever I was voting last night is also a good one, they also had bad lines

hahahahah what the fuck????

this is amateur hour

[osuka]

@mod why are there so many jesters in this setup

[osuka]

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

???????????????????????????????????????????????

Someone else finally seeing that post as scummy too

no my question marks are at you going "thank you"

you're killing my fucking brain cells

Just a phrase, relief someone sees my side

never mind the fact that both of you are wrong and ive said that several times already, what the fuck does 560 add to the conversation?

It wasn't supposed to add to the conversation. You're nitpicking

then why say it at all?

Because I'm allowed to make non-advancing posts occasionally if I want to. Sometimes I do stuff like that to just save posts in my iso for reference later too. You're thinking too much about two words.

your whole iso is full of shit like that

please point me towards some of your ingenious conclusions so far

[osuka]

i was talking about the bit in parentheses -- it's clearly meant to be taken more seriously than the rest of the post ("but for real"). talking to Mafia, Generally, Wherever You May Be in this way pings like noobscum. town has no reason to ask scum not to kill someone they like, it's just one more reason for scum to kill them

It's a weird post from either alignment. From town it's almost baiting, from scum it's just odd

i can tell you that 90% of the time ive seen that kind of post, it came from noobscum

[osuka]

I'm posting plenty of content based on post count.

this is amateur hour

[osuka]

look up! what's that in the sky?

[osuka]

is it a plane? is it a bird? is it superman?

[osuka]

NONSENSE! IT'S DADDY

[osuka]

haha I won't actually claim!!! dw. I'll get voted out before I do claim

one last point, reading back -- is this a scum slip? "i'll get voted out before i claim" implies andante wouldn't claim until they are actually eliminated. is there ever town motivation for withholding a claim until the hammer is dropped? on second reading this could almost feel like reassurance to a scumpartner, but i don't feel comfortable calling anya scum yet. still, this association is definitely worth revisiting if one of them flips.

i think you're giving the slot way too much credit

[osuka]

lmao fucking what

im convinced pooky is jester even though i dont think that role is normal in minis and datisi has played us all for goddamn fools

[osuka]

i am drunk

should i initiate drunkposting

[osuka]

i am drunk

should i initiate drunkposting

are you better at catching scum when drunk?

im better at everything when im drunk

[osuka]

i am drunk

should i initiate drunkposting

UNLEASH HELLFIRE UPON THE INNOCENTS

i SHALL DESTRYO THE UNIVERSER

literally im gonna catch all the scum in this game and some scum in other games. if you kill ~everyone~, that means you kill all the scum, which means you win the game right???

[osuka]

holy shit i got some crab dip and fries and this is reALLY good

[osuka]

drunk DADDY

[osuka]

alright folks starting to catch up here

i was a busy early friday, then i got too drunk late friday, then i was too hungover to think on saturday so sorry about that

[osuka]

bruh. it's ben 24 hours, I'm literally just yalls low hanging fruit, do yall plan on actually finding scum or is the plan to vote me, have me flip green, then go "andante was just bad" like, I'm not flipping red

sad_ate_attempt.jpg

[osuka]

pooky, is robert a servant of darkness or one of the fellows in the fellowship

This line is literally coming from scum

VOTE: Save The Dragons

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why does a shitpost make that scum?

[osuka]

- overreaction to getting targeted

* so what? who literally cares how I react to anything? look at my lines instead. I hate pressure, not my fault, can't help it. I've almost never had pressure on me cause I can towntell so well

this is amateur hour

[osuka]

so andante is having a breakdown on page 37

that's cool i guess

[osuka]

I'm gonna flip to Robert for now

VOTE: Robert


Like, those lines, just feel VERY off to me

can you explain why 883 is weird? I can see where youre coming from with 895, but 883? not following