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Hi guys

VOTE: Green Crayons

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~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

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Hi guys

VOTE: Green Crayons

~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

@Mod,

is this color working for you now?

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~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

means it's one powerful mafia doctor, or Datisi is just trying to scare us, but a maf can save, could be 1 shot or something

Understood, thanks

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Hi guys

VOTE: Green Crayons

~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

@Mod,

is this color working for you now?

that colour is readable to me, so if you ask me, feel free to use it.

however, if any of the players end up having trouble reading that colour, i will have to ask you to use non-coloured text.

I'll keep changing colors but not non-coloured texts, okay?

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this is a terrible color to read especially on mobile, please change it

Is this color better for you?

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youre clearly lying

Yes of course I’m clearly lying. It’s a joke.

At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

Pocketing attempt?

I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

Scums generally use WIFOM, don't they?

I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

i think one or both of them might literally be scum pretending to stand out to look town

Hmm, maybe

Andresvmb

?

who said i wanted to fight

Lol, what is this then?

Spoiler:

I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

believable yet? COME AT ME BRUH

this is a terrible color to read especially on mobile, please change it

Is this color better for you?

only slightly. not to be an ass but there's a reason the default colors are the default, they look good and they're easy to read. it's impossible to pick a single color that will work against every background

that said i do appreciate your willingness to change it up to make it easier to read. try a lighter color? maybe then the folks with light themes are gonna yell at you, but this one isn't great on mafblack

I don't use default color, not my style. I'm also using mafblack and not facing any issues with the 4 colors I used/am using here. Is this one readable to you?

UNVOTE: Green Crayons

Going with my gut...

VOTE: Andresvmb

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this color is better yes

the content of this post, however, is not anywhere near anything i can describe with a positive adjective

What is negative in my post?

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actually gonna go with my gut and vote out my townread

VOTE: Salsa

Ok

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Am I confirmed town yet?

Not to me...

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the content of this post, however, is not anywhere near anything i can describe with a positive adjective

What is negative in my post?

everything

for starters, we had already established that the post you said was a pocketing attempt was actually probably not one because andres knows it takes more than that to pocket me, wifom is used by anyone (hence why it works in the first place), and the rest of the post has no substance whatsoever

1.

You established that

doesn't mean I'll feel exactly what you feel? You also said on 63 that

Andresvmb

is going easy on you. I see that as a pocketing attempt from him.

2.

On 43,

PawnsGambit

was talking about general behavior for scums and townread you and

Andresvmb

based on that but I don't agree cause I think

in general term

, scums normally (or can) use WIFOM on the starting of the game.

3.

I agree with

Save The Dragons

's 46, he mentioned two names who he thought one of them can be scum and I put my input there.

4.

The last 2 posts are NAI. NAI posts can't have substance, can they?

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Am I confirmed town yet?

Not to me...

have you ever rolled scum?

Once.

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I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

i think one or both of them might literally be scum pretending to stand out to look town

Hmm, maybe

Andresvmb

?

why'd you pick andres over osuka?

Mainly gut, his 41 pinges me as a pocketing attempt. But I'm not sure about

osuka

now. His 24 pings me first, but I take it as a joke. Then his 79 gives me another ping, like he is trying to build a case against me by stretching every little thing.

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Am I confirmed town yet?

Not to me...

have you ever rolled scum?

Once.

please share a link

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=85994

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you should learn to read. why are you inferring from 63 that i think it's pocketing if i said very clearly in 61 that i didn't think it was? this is either a colossal misrep or a symptom of low brainpower. furthermore: why does my interpretation of andres' post influence _your_ read of it? In other words, why does my comment on it factor into whether or not _you_ think it's a pocketing attempt? most importantly, why does 63 influence your read of it but 61 does not?

Symptom of low brain power

???? Really bro??? If you can't play respectfully, don't bother to engage with me ever, please.
And I think you sHoUlD lEaRn tO rEaD on the first place. I didn't say your 63 refers that you think

Andresvmb

was pocketing you. I got the vibe that he was pocketing you from his 41, your 63 makes the feeling a bit strong to me. Your 61 has no impact on my read.

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there you go, then learn to write because you really did not express yourself clearly

something something you've never played with me so clearly you don't know how it goes, but this is kind of how it is. i'm not gonna put in a lot of effort (or any, really) into being polite if someone else didn't bother to read a post

Then I think I'll take this to the mods and wait for their opinion.
English is not my 1st language, so it's normal for me to express myself incorrectly/not clearly. But it's not okay to judge anyone quickly and being a proud a** about it, not with me especially.

@Mod,

if

osuka[/b's behavior towards me is (somehow) appropriate and not purposely insulting, then you can replace me out. I'll not post anything until you give your opinion, sorry for the inconvenience.

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V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

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• Osuka is too funny to be scum, therefore is town.
  
• Andante is ragging on his buddy in this here post: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701574
  
• Haschel Cedricson sounds tentative here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701760
  
• Asteria is town for this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701772
  
• This post by Andresvmb is something a filthy rat would say: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701800
  
• Bad manipulation here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=35578
  
• I agree with Save The Dragons' posts so he must be town, but it's possible Andres is ragging on his buddy https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701981
  
• Aimless questions are scummy: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702107
  
• Anya voting her townread is like catnip to me https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702212
  
• The answer is "meow": https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702235
  
• Green Crayons asks a lot of pointless questions. Haschel too!
  
• Insidious Lemons made only two posts and both are terrible.

KITTENS
Robert M Hunter MaxTheFox
osuka
Asteria
Anya
VFP

AMBIGUOUS
Save The Dragons

SCUMMY RODENTS
Andante
Andresvmb
Haschel Cedricson
PawnsGambit
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Green Crayons
InsidiousLemons

This game is horribly balanced! What corrupt reviewer let this pass?

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Page 1-8

youre clearly lying

Yes of course I’m clearly lying. It’s a joke.
t
At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

Pocketing attempt?

This post of mine has triggered some people hard, surprisingly. Though I explained why I thought it was a pocketing attempt from

Andresvmb

to

osuka

in 95 and 105, I'll clear this for the last time. I started this game by RVS voting

Green Crayons

on page 1. Then a couple of you started posting, and I saw

Andresvmb

's 41 on page 2 which gave me a little something to begin with for shifting my RVS vote. I wasn't tunneled on the pocket thought but

osuka

's reaction later on was unnecessary imo and who scumread me for this, I have nothing to say about this matter anymore.

also what the fuck does a "bishop kind of player" mean

like they're going to push with their bishop while pretending like they're doing some pawns gambit and keeping us distracted

How serious this read is?

Btw, the conversation between

PawnsGambit

and

Anya

on page 6 doesn't make sense to me, neither these votes: 147, 148, 149. If anyone understands, please explain to me.

I also wasn’t trying to fight SavetheDragons because I definitely thought they were Scum. Though their reaction was horrific.

Can you explain more?

like i dont really have much reason to believe she's scum but i don't think that reaction changes based on her alignment. why do you think that's towny?

I thought most of their posting was Scummy actually. To be transparent.

You can check my other game, I play like this instead of any alignment.

But I have a hard time thinking that Scum get so offended by something so fast.

And my reaction to 101 is totally NAI. I don't tolerate any kind of misbehave anywhere.

Symptom of low brain power???? Really bro??? If you can't play respectfully, don't bother to engage with me ever, please.

Like c’mon. They actually read like they’re pissed off hahaha and they’re not even using it as a way to SR you and vote you. Since, you know, the idea was that I’m trying to pocket you. It’s too... self-righteous.

ah yeah it was the "bro" that did it for me

it was 50/50 she wanted to vote me or she wanted to throw hands in a mcdonalds parking lot at 3 am

I wanted to vote you but it would be a bias thing which I prefer not to do.

i did actually measure my words there because i was gonna be a lot harsher but i decided to tone it down a bit

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That's why you shouldn't vote out players for being obnoxious.

You don't want to vote people who you think are pro-town (hence scum can be easily seen as pro-town), you don't want to vote people who you think are obnoxious/open-wolfing (hence scum can use TSTBS strategy), who should we vote then iyo?

first of all: “we”?

The Town.

i literally started the post you quoted with “as scum”

i’m not ready to call that a slip but that’s one of the weirdest posts i’ve ever seen from you

Scum slips are rare. And I don’t make them.

What I was saying is that we do run the risk of letting Scum get away with a few easy executions, yes. That’s a risk. But that only happens if the players being pushed don’t fight back. If they do, and we can correctly read the reactions, then we can move on and find a better target. People tend to more actively participate when they’re under pressure. I am tired of letting Town skate by just so that they can be made easy targets later in games.

Shouldn't you be more worried about scum lurkers than town lurkers?

Let's imagine a situation where you are in lylo with a player you think is pro-town in the game (but actually a scum), and with another player who you think is a scum lurker (but actually a town lurker), who do you think will be the scum initially? That's the point

Andresvmb

wanted to make here I think. In some scenario, town lurkers are more harmful for town than scum lurkers.

A player with two posts isn’t worth defending as far as I’m concerned.

Who is defending who again?

this deeply annoys me and is alone almost enough reason for me to want you out of the game because this kind of attitude has absolutely no place in a game of mafia where you’re town aligned, so either you’re scum or you’re town that’s deliberately playing in a shit way

Well you're entitled to your vote where ever.
I'm not saying I won't do stuff once I have something to go by, I'm just not going to pretend someone is scum or town because of gut or some silly little reason until I feel satisfied.
As I said though, I'm sure you can provide a good case to where my vote should be l instead if you truly feel this way.

piss poor

you should be making your own cases and the fact that you’re openly and unapologetically admitting to playing in an anti-town way is, and bear with me as this is jargon so i might misspell it, sad as all fuck

VOTE: vfp since you quite literally asked for it

This vote makes me laugh How

VFP

's play was anti-town with the 4 posts they made that time? Where in your case, I can see (I'm on page 10 while typing this post) more posting than actual scum hunting from you?

is that clear enough for you or do i have to open ms paint?

This is clear scum behaviour.
Having to resort in calling someone stupid but just enough to get away without breaking site rules because they are angry from being called out.
Let's face it, if you truly meant this, you wouldn't be so scared to tip toe round it

You're play is lazy and bad. And I'm going to tunnel on you as scum until you're eliminated. Each time you make a poor read reason, each time you make a fluff post instead of content, each time you are wrong I'm going to be there to call you out for it. Congratulations on being under the spot light.

I'm confident you

are

scum, now who are your buddies? Let's hope they play just like you.

This post is tempting me so hard that I've to struggle to not sheep you in the rest of the game But sadly I can't do that, it'll be a bias thing to do

VOTE: vfp

feels like he's entering a shopping centre and treating it like a boxing ring looking for a fight with sales assistant osuka the confidence seems unfounded

Will you always use metaphors for the rest of the game?

Robert... hello, nice to meet you. I was literally joking with my first post of the game?? and you're trying to say I was serious?? excuse me??

I've had literally 0 game related lines, like, I shouldn't be town or scum to you yet. I was last here on page 4, I don't think I missed a whole lot trying to skim it

Your reaction here reminds me of myself when I started playing mafia games, I got defensive too when someone scumread me for not good reason imo. Your joining date says you're new here, but I want to know your experience on mafia games here or on the sites.

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Salsa, right off the bat, you entering here... is you reacting to something... "yall sr this, but..." quite honestly, I don't care, I'd love to see some actual reads on everyone

You have to wait, I'm not fully recovered yet, so going slow.

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like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

if she is new, yes. If not, then no.

green crayons and haschel cedricson, are you happy with your votes?

More important question for Green is what did 102 do for him?

@Green

gave me a point of reference to see if my one prior experience with Salsa would be informative, because she was giving me pings of her prior play where she ultimately ended up showing herself as obvtown

more or less a moot point now bc i think her blow up was solidly town

Umm....my scum gameplay there is pretty similar to my town gameplay everywhere.
Fwiw, an emotional outburst is NAI for me.

277-280 from andante gave me scum vibes at first bc overreaction, but now i feel like it just reads more noob/NAI. hard to tell because no completed games so this is mostly gut. regardless i don't think my vote is best placed on her atm

VOTE: osuka

kinda weird you'd talk about things going over your head? are those missile cruisers that you're playing to bomb us with?

weird filler vote that went completely unchallenged by osuka, followed by whatever the hell that chess/minesweeper nothingness was

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

this is an odd thing to say when he had already posted twice, one of which was a genuinely useful question. if you're going to attack someone for not engaging with the game, why not me? why not

you won't be saying that once i catch us 4 or 5 wolves

lol

no one seems to be pushing anya for posting almost exclusively filler even when there were better things to discuss. weird metaphors and non-pushes and... that seems to be it

VOTE: Anya

I like this post. Both

Anya

and

PawnsGambit

are on my FOS list (for now) because of the filler posts instead of scum-hunting. But I think I'll go with

PawnsGambit

first.

UNVOTE: Andresvmb

VOTE: PawnsGambit

I'm torn between weather osuka is obvtown or if he might just hurt us in the long run by not listening to feedback and thinking that he's always right.

The later I suppose

insidious is pushing me for being weird rather than being wolf

VOTE: Insidious lock him up

Now OMGUS...... I really don't understand what are you doing tbh.

Did you read the scum game? What style of play differs there?
Regardless of the read now.

i skimmed her iso. i suppose this might be premature conversation as Salsa could be scum faking ate but also this is just a temp check and not really confirmation one way or the other so just typing through my thoughts i guess i don't really care about discussing atm; overall, she didn't do as much of the in-depth assessments of players as she did in her obvtown game.

I stopped doing that. It takes lot of time and energy, but I'll do it later on with one/some player(s) if I think it's needed.

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I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

Agreed.

I'm not refusing to discuss reads. I'm merely saying that they are light reads at this point in the game and not to be blown out of proportion.

It's page 17 buddy..... light/heavy doesn't matter, sharing those reads is worth it atp.

But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

I don't see where is

Robert M Hunter

defended but I can see you're dodging questions by shading him which is scummy.

actively scumhunting isn't die-harding, it's playing the game. we are asking you to skim through the thread and point out a tangible example of a post that makes you believe what you believe. you continue to post while ignoring that question. in fact, you've made nearly 3 times as many posts in this thread as i have. so why are they so lacking in content and so full of argumentative nothings?

p-edit nice topic change

Liking this post.

It's not a topic change; you're changing the topic from Robert by directing it to me.

I'm not required to have hard reads this early in the game and you're not going to get anywhere by pressuring me. I think I've touched on a nerve by pointing out Robert's scummy entry and I think some of the people voting for me could very well be Robert's scum buddies trying to stop pressure on him.

If you're voting me and not voting robert then you're defending robert.

He made 1 scummy post, the rests are NAI to me. You're making lots (I am on page 18 while typing the post), so you're voted.
Also, the way you're desperately trying to shift the pressure over

Robert M Hunter

atp (plus refusing to collaborate with others), makes me believe that he is town.

VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

Why did you change your vote from

PawnsGambit

??

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Serious question though, why is Osuka trying to control the game?

When I read this, my mind immediately jumped to the possibility of

Andante

-scum being salty about osuka controlling the game. My scum read on this player slot remains unchanged.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

I still very much like

Asteria

's pointed and fearless presence.

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

Haschel

is still pretty bad, with the lurking and the no-follow-up idle questions. Along with

Andante

, a top scum read.

I do like

Insidious Lemons

' boldness but there is a case to be made that he could be scum going after the low-hanging fruit. I am not comfortable reading this slot today.

I am so entertained by

osuka

's posts that I would resist voting him even if he confessed.

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

My town read of

VFB

is unchanged.

KITTENS
Robert M Hunter MaxTheFox
osuka
Asteria
Anya
VFP
PawnsGambit
Save The Dragons

AMBIGUOUS
InsidiousLemons

SCUMMY RODENTS
Andante
Andresvmb
Haschel Cedricson
Salsabil Faria
Green Crayons

Well, I change my mind about you, you go straight on my null list for now.
Btw, what exactly did you mean here?

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

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I'm not going to write the ***** word....

Spoiler:

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VOTE: VFP

Reason?

I didn't find anything particularly townie in the rest of their iso.

Please elaborate. I’m dying to see what kind of nonsense you come up with.

But it's not nonsense. I also don't find town motivation from your posts yet.

whelp. interview went well!!

Good luck!

I'm not irritated by anything, if anything you're irritated that the majority of the players are null or town on me and that I'm not townreading you.

You're funny, I give you that but not funny enough to townread you.

this is amateur hour

I'm finally agreeing with you about something

i was just returning my vote back where it belonged

What do you think about

PawnsGambit

then?

VOTE: Haschel

would also vote for Andres

What's the connection??

actually i wouldn't vote for Andres

Why?

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Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

This is salty enough for me to throw you in the town barrel. Well done, my friend!

Jeez! This game will be hard

do you just hate cats?

@Andres, please tell me why you took that post so seriously:

Why are you stuck on an early post that doesn’t really mean much? So I mistakenly assumed a vote was more serious than it was, realized the error of my ways and moved on. What’s the big deal?

Big deal is you overreacted to it like you're overreacting to my questioning of it here

Agree on the later part.

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

????????????

do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

How 449 is okay? I find his posts really weird, especially the read list.

so asteria wolfreads andres because he didn't get the rvs response joke

i don't think not getting jokes is wolfy and it feels like a flimsy reason to wolfread someone over - could be fabricated in a fabrics shop

VOTE: Asteria

I would like to point out I was responding to an rvs vote on myself with a joke about a N0 guilty on me. I was accused of escalating. I don't scumread Andres for not getting a joke. I scumread him for being overdefensive to a joke and turning it around on me as scummy

he read more frustrated to me in that post though like when he said it was gonna be a long game of poker

i think that implies you could be town and it's gonna be hard for him to deal with you or something like that

So you're gonna change your vote.....?

Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

This is salty enough for me to throw you in the town barrel. Well done, my friend!

what the fucK??????

this is amateu

I'm having fun reading this thread actually

while you are v/la, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. two nudges equals one prod. if you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of v/la status, you will be replaced.

to make sure everyone is aware of this.

Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
Save The Dragons - Sus
Green Crayons - Town
Asteria – Sus
PawnsGambit – leaning town
VFP –
Haschel Cedricson –
Salsabil Faria –
Osuka –
Robert M Hunter -


Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at

I don't know whose read list bad..... yours or

Robert M Hunter

's??

osuka, please explain 461. if you were scum, how could you be coaching pawnsgambit right now, during D1? if i'm missing something obvious, tear me to shreds over it. but i want to know why you said what you said

doesn’t mafia have daytalk by default in normal games? the past several games i’ve played had mafia daytalk

I know mafia has day talk in newbies only?

@Dragon, I'll elaborate on you,
It's lines like these, they have no content to them... your cat thing feels so weird, and like "you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote" for context this came immediately after you voted me. None of your lines feel like you're trying to find scum.

do you just hate cats?

you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote

so i'm wondering if you're just allergic to cats or something i dunno

These VFP lines, you're implying VFP is your TR, and you don't understand why someone SRs them. Why not give why you think VFP is town? engage in a conversation about it, give the side you see, compare notes, etc. Like, reading your ISO, most lines are just responding to osuka, or lines like this, that seem to be going in no direction. You throw out questions like this, never return to them to follow up!!! It literally feels like maf to me, reading more into you here, I'd move you from sus to scum tbh. Town that's trying to find scum would ask relevant questions, then return to them, if you out a tr/sr, doesn't it make sense to talk to someone who's outing an opposite read from you?? idk, it feels like you're trying to go no where with all your posts.

why exactly did you think VFP was scummy again?

do you have anything else on VFP?

looking at #354 (idk if this link works.... testing..)
looking at #354, osuka is like "what's your thought on this" and you pretty much go "idk, I tr you" like, changing the topic, your lines feel really weird to me, and I'm not entirely sure why you feel so off...


There you go, hope this helps.

How many forum mafia games you played before?

the "votes that make no sense" are literally in the random voting phase... I'd recommend you just read the whole game before posting stuff... cause right now, you're only convincing me to vote you...

VOTE: Salsabil

I'm just gonna put this down for now.

I really don't care for a summary of the game up till now (idk if anyone else does) I would prefer like a reads list, names and alignments, then just ellaborate why.... like, being completely honest, you feel like panicked scum entering here, and if you're town, sorry, I'm just saying it as it. like, there's no way you genuinely SR "the conversation between PawnsGambit and Anya on page 6 " I literally laughed at it... people having a good time...

what's up with all the "no fun allowed!!!" this game lmao

You literally have no patience

[Salsabil Faria]

I think I am low hanging fruit tbh. You have a little different personality and a few people line up like wolves. Not the majority though.

Is this referring to me?

[Salsabil Faria]

Current Read-list

Townread:

InsidiousLemons

Townlean:

osuka

,

Save The Dragons

,

VFP

,

Asteria

Null:

Haschel Cedricson

,

Andante

,

Green Crayons

Scumlean:

Andante

,

Andresvmb

,

Robert M Hunter

Scumread:

Anya

,

PawnsGambit

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa can be town for laughing at my joke

Lol! Or I can be trying to be your good book

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa can be town for laughing at my joke

Lol! Or I can be trying to be your good book

be in*

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'll off to bed now. If my health supports me tomorrow, I'll be here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I skimmed through the last few pages, properly catch up later. In the meantime,

We must kill the White Wizard to prepare the way for full invasion.

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

Damn you!
How serious your vote is?

I've changed my mind on Pooky actually.

Andante does have a high chance of scum imo.
But right now Robert isn't getting any pressure.

VOTE: Robert

For a slot that is coming across as so scummy there's lack of pressure here.

VOTE: Andante

I played/am playing with

PookyTheMagicalBear

where their playstyle seems actually similar, one game which recently postponed, they were town there but the other game is ongoing so can't talk about it. My point is, I can't read them, some other players say/said they are the same on any alignment (this gameplay can be easily faked imo), which makes it even harder to sort them. I am not gonna change my vote because of

PawnsGambit

yet, and I also don't find town motivation from their replacement as it happened after they were getting pressure.

@Save The Dragons

, why do you think

Andante

isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

prodding salsabil faria and haschel cedricson.

Sorry Mod! Reminds me not to take more games at the same time

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm pretty tired today honestly, I'll start to read the posts tomorrow, sorry for that. But in the meantime, some light things to comment on:

I'm concerned with the number of salsas scumreads as I am with Robert.

replacing PawnsGambit.

Before getting replaced,

PawnsGambit

's shading me is giving me :thonk:

PookyTheMagicalBear replaces PawnsGambit.

You're making my life hell

PookyTheMagicalBear

, don't want to welcome you this time.

YES I ROLLED SCUM MWAHAHAHAHAH PREPARE TO DIE

Yeah, I agree with you.

Also, salsa. tell me, what about my reads is bad? you can't just sit there and say I have bad reads.

I actually can.
Btw you seem to read all the things but purposely (?) ignoring my one question towards you.

How many forum mafia games you played before?

She will be given a chance to join the Shadow

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]: VFP, InsidiousLemons, Salsabil Faria

Insolent fools

I give you 24 hours to apologize and unvote before I annihilate you

Spoiler:

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Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
Save The Dragons - Sus
Green Crayons - Town
Asteria – Sus
PawnsGambit – leaning town
VFP –
Haschel Cedricson –
Salsabil Faria –
Osuka –
Robert M Hunter -


Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at

this whole paragraph is almost purely iioa. also strange to me that you only back up your null reads and don't mention your, you know, actual reads. if you only saw "maybe 1" vfp post, you need to go back and read the goddamn game. null because i don't care enough to read their posts isn't a read. you've complained about ISOing as if it's something you're never actually going to do, and moaned and grumbled about going back to find a specific post to back up your arguments early in the game. you shouldn't be upset by people asking you to do this, it is literally how to play forum mafia. you can't win without ever looking at ISO, without ever going back and rereading.

InsidiousLemons

made it pretty clear why your reads are bad & not gonna repeat myself here, so....

one of my rules is no posts over 10 lines.

Liar!

OMG I FIGURED OUT HOW TO LINK POSTS!!!! gg guys!

it's over there's no way mafia can hide now that andante can link posts

Yeah, I can see that but I also don't want to underestimate her because she is new, I can give her the Day 1 pass for now.

i'm okay with salsa's return thus far. they can be town for now but would like to see them engage in up-to-date discussion. at the same time,

@salsa don't push yourself, didn't realize your v/la was for health reasons. hope everything is going well irl

Thanks, health is improving.
You have something to engage with me so far?

my gut may be actually broken because despite everything it still wants andante to be noobtown. i don't care. if we are going to win this thing you need to actually play the game in a way that benefits town.

VOTE: Andante

I mean she is a pretty easy push, we should focus on others. What do you think about

PookyTheMagicalBear

?

VOTE: Salsabil

I'm just gonna put this down for now.

I really don't care for a summary of the game up till now (idk if anyone else does) I would prefer like a reads list, names and alignments, then just ellaborate why.... like, being completely honest, you feel like panicked scum entering here, and if you're town, sorry, I'm just saying it as it. like, there's no way you genuinely SR "the conversation between PawnsGambit and Anya on page 6 " I literally laughed at it... people having a good time...

what's up with all the "no fun allowed!!!" this game lmao

i like the way salsa came back after quitting from frustration earlier to force herself to effort

Ummm.... I was sick

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

This is interesting...... I never saw any noob-town said it before. "

I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

" : scum(s) actually do that, it's one of the regular moves.

cause if I'm voted out, yall clearly don't want me. whelp. I want the votes off me when I'm back, thanks. if they're not, idk, I'm down for a salsa or lemons elim tbh, wait whoever I was voting last night is also a good one, they also had bad lines

Gross!

my gut may be actually broken because despite everything it still wants andante to be noobtown. i don't care. if we are going to win this thing you need to actually play the game in a way that benefits town.

VOTE: Andante

I think you'd tr me if you stopped looking at me through a conf scum pov.. just saying

i've literally been townreading you on gut this entire game. i have given you the benefit of the doubt at every turn. i think i'd tr you if you gave me a reason to believe you want us to win this game

She is a liability for town if she.is.town.... I'm not sure if I want to give her the Day 1 pass anymore.

I changed my mind, Andante is town. Deal with it.

Who do you think are scums atm?

InsidiousLemons

's 768:
773: I second that.

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@mod why are there so many jesters in this setup

Post of the game (2)

but again for now i think we have slots that are much more likely to be scum in the game

Who are they (if you don't share yet)?

osuka

's 786: I think you're over reacting on

Asteria

's 560.

andante how do you handle pressure in chat mafia (you're the one who said you played that, right?)

haha that's easier cause I now the game is like 20 minutes long, and after that I can just stop playing... this?? it's like IRL days/weeks of pressure lol I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

Iirc, you scumread me for my reaction on

101

by saying that you.yourself.have.meltdown.as.scum.more.than.town.... Why your meltdown for getting pressure here is town but not scum?

I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

can you expand on this? how do you think your reaction to pressure differs as scum?

uhhh not really, too hard to explain, I'm gonna go play in the snow (we have a snow storm right now) and when I'm back I'm ISOing Haschel, and if he's been here for 5 days with no content, I'm voting him, would rather keep people who try.

Dragons is scum. I'm pretty certain there

Basically, who townread you are towns, and who don't are scums? That's the logic?

InsidiousLemons's 823: I second that (2). Also, ++town points for making my life easier.

haha I won't actually claim!!! dw. I'll get voted out before I do claim

one last point, reading back -- is this a scum slip? "i'll get voted out before i claim" implies andante wouldn't claim until they are actually eliminated. is there ever town motivation for withholding a claim until the hammer is dropped? on second reading this could almost feel like reassurance to a scumpartner, but i don't feel comfortable calling anya scum yet. still, this association is definitely worth revisiting if one of them flips.

Do you townread

Anya

? If so, why?

Robert's vote just looks like distancing to me.

agreed. and there are reasons to read andante as plausibly town, but the posts he cites aren't examples of the ones i see

this statement is false

Can you explain why?

I know Pooky likes to play around but i'm not sure how normal this is for him if anyone has a better handle on this i'd love to hear it.

So far this just seems like normal D1 Pooky to me

The other 2 games I played/am playing with them, never seen this much of shitposting in Day 1.

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pooky, is robert a servant of darkness or one of the fellows in the fellowship

This line is literally coming from scum

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Wut??

@Save The Dragons, why do you think Andante isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

i'm actually giving her some credit for her chat mafia experience here. she could be noob-town but there's a lot going against her

- overreacting to getting targeted
- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned
- her confusing scum reads (seems to think i'm confscum but is voting lemons and i'm not sure what the case against lemons is)
- gut read on the slot

if it were just one of these things i might be just a little wary, but all of them in conjunction are bothering me enough to think she might be scum here.

Yeah, I also get those feelings while catching up, thanks for replying though.

Andante

's 891: gross (2).

++town points for

Save The Dragons

after seeing his interaction with

Andante

on page #36.

My only thing is it's like, I feel like I'm contributing a lot more effort than a handful of people here.

lol my role is definitely informed, I have info, but hey, we wanna vote me out, guess we don't want the info (and no I will not be outing it)

Scums try to contribute more so that they can get towncred. But I'm taking a step back and giving you a Day 1 pass which means I don't vote you today but you've to show us a night result on Day 2. I think it's a pretty fair deal. And I like your

Robert M Hunter

case on 918, so....

@Save The Dragons

, why do you think

Andante

isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

Salsa, how do you feel about Andante?

Null for now, I don't want to underestimate her only because she is new. I'll evaluate her again on Day 2 if she won't night killed.

I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.

Yes that obvious but i was trying to be discrete.

It must have been obvious to STD, too.

STD IS SCUM.

Wut (2)??

VOTE: Robert M. Hunter

Your reason?

I crumbed my role in my first post.

Hello everyone! Do you need help tracking down scummy rodents? I am feeling a little peckish.

And you think you did a good job outing that you're a PR? How many forum mafia game(s) you played before?

So I guess it's just general meta to claim a PR now days.
No one has even been put to E1 and we have 2 claims.

I've just finished a game where there were 3 PRs claimed day 1 and 1 was scum.

UNVOTE: Robert M Hunter

Personally I don't support this kind idlf mentality in general.
I'll take a re look in the morning to see who I vote.

I wasn't at E-1, but everyone scumreads me so it was only a matter of time.

But you soft-claimed on your 1st post, how this will help the town as there is a high chance you'll night-killed early?
Again, I'll give you a Day 1 pass as there is a chance you can be a TPR, but you have to show your night result on Day 2.

not “who is posting humor” which is a dumb thing to ask bc as we all know nobody is funny on ms

You get to be the one funny person on ms for this. Congrats

Lol!

It's interesting that I might have been the only player to see STD as scum, and you voted me.

VOTE: STD

My dragon might be working for the good guys

Wut (3)??

can someone explain to me in excruciating detail why asteria is wolf so i can feel good about voting her

I don't think she is a wolf but you can be...

Robert, I'll help you, this should link to the post where I suggest you read the setup info... just sayin #1

It's not correct. Correct way: [post=(type only the post number, no #, nothing)](type only the post number, no #, nothing)[/post]. Example: 992.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Save the Dragons
I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

So off the table for me are.
Robert
Andante
Lemons
Pooky

I'm pretty sure we find scum in Dragon / Haschel / Anya
Haschel just doesn't have much to push sadly and Anya isn't town telling to me, seems to be looking to fit it more than anything.
Thats where I'm at now and I'm going to sheep Pooky for now.

[Salsabil Faria]

I have read up to page 6 and save the dragons is immediately pinging me as scum.
VOTE: Save the dragons

(2)

[Salsabil Faria]

We're not getting Robert any more? Like, sure I don't tr Dragons, but Robert is bleeding scum here... and the resistance to a Robert elim?? what is going on

He claimed PR like you, if you get a chance, he should too.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

Why are you not voting STD?

Do you finish catch up?

Do you have thoughts/reads so far?

Are you willing to play through story-telling?

What's on your mind?

Who do you think are towns and why?

Who do you think are scums and why?

[Salsabil Faria]

@Robert M Hunter

, I have some questions for you, check 994.

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Spoiler:

You guys are nuts! 20 more pages between 24 hours!! I'll go & post 1 page at a time from now, if not there will be more wall posts from me which I don't want to do anymore.

Reading his lines, I firmly believe he is scum, there is nothing about him that I found towny, I'm not giving anyone a pass solely for their claim, nor do I expect the same in return

I'm willing to give anyone a pass doesn't mean I townread them. As the town doesn't know who is who, we can't be 100% sure. So not eliminating you/

Robert M Hunter

in Day 1 as you both claimed TPR, is a good move for town imo.

I'm not a pr no.

I looked at this post for pure 1 minute

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

@andante if robert were scum he'd know about the mafia doctor so the fact he doesn't plus his PR claim is enough to put him in the town column for now. could be faking it but it seems genuine.

1. I've played games with pooky before, his entrance is always random like that, I do think he's genuinely trying, and I liked Pawns

PookyTheMagicalBear

are genuinely trying scum-hunting or town-hunting?? Please mention the posts where they're trying you think.
You liked them, that's why townread them is a terrible reason to townread anyone. You should consider a pocketing attempt in this case.

Another part of it was that I hard tred Pawns and you're now voting the replaced slot.

I agree with Andante here. All the playerson Pooky are south of null.

I think we caught another scum here.

it's not that i believe it, it's that the slot will sort itself out later in the game. if he's a pro town tracker, he's probably going to get killed later and we'll find out. or if he's scum and is still alive later, we can sort it out then. i think there's a better D1 play here.

^
This.

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

Why are you not voting STD?

Do you finish catch up?

Do you have thoughts/reads so far?

Are you willing to play through story-telling?

What's on your mind?

Who do you think are towns and why?

Who do you think are scums and why?

there are a lot of questions here and not many votes for STD

You're scum!

Pretty sure STD is scum at this point.

autocorrect

You scumread him after fully catching up or from the 1st 2 pages you mentioned earlier??

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what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

^
This (2).

what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

Uh Pooky was here for when I went for you yesterday, I didn't tr Haschel so that's one, I told you we are either getting Robert or you today, and you continued to push Pooky, Pawns did pretty well. I tr almost no one here, but I do tr pooky, so pooky stays, and I don't get why you are only focussed on pooky

Mention those posts where you think

PawnsGambit

did great. And it's not up to you only to eliminate anyone, if you want to eliminate anyone make a case, if you don't want to eliminate anyone make a case for that too. The rest of the town will decide then what to do or not.

Pooky's been playing mafia for longer than I've been alive and I hard tr him so I'm just going to follow unless I can see a convincing case.
pedit: I read most of the game and had a strong scumread against STD for a valid reason.

Well, what's the valid reason? If you didn't share yet, please share it now.
And someone plays mafia longer than you is a vAlId rEaSoN to townread (the other case: scumread) anyone??? What's going on in this game?????

Pooky's been playing mafia for longer than I've been alive and I hard tr him so I'm just going to follow unless I can see a convincing case.

so have i

@T3

(in case you missed this somehow).....

could you possibly see vfp bussing dragons here? since he knows dragons is going down... that's another thought I'm kinda having rn

kinda doubt it

If you flip scum, this post will be a hint of partner interaction for

VFP

.

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I literally am the only one trying to find scum here... whatever fck this

This behavior of yours is getting irritating! It's a team game, every person here is different than others, so their methods of playing the game will be different from each other. Please learn to respect that and if possible, get over yourself also. It's not up to you only to win the game.

Andante consistently saying she's gonna lurk or take a break yet continuing to post constantly is pretty towny

what

Amateur hour

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Page 44

so i think i need to point out that while im not saying std is scum, i definitely havent seen a very convincing case on that slot and a lot of people seem to be sheeping pooky for no apparent reason, unless i missed something big

assuming i'm wrong here, can someone elaborate on why my impression that this is a meme wagon is incorrect?

No, you didn't miss anything big, people actually are sheeping

PookyTheMagicalBear

for no reason.

Save The Dragons

's wagon is definitely not a meme wagon but I think it's a wagon leading by scums to get a miselimination by using town!

Andante

's emotion towards scum!

PookyTheMagicalBear

.

what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

this typically reads like scum but this time around im somewhat inclined to agree, even in light of an extremely off-putting 1023

Why this reads like scum?

VOTE: T3

what????

Why not?

It's comments like that. I don't believe that you actually believe to be the sole player in this game looking for scum.
What happens if Robert flips TPR here?

for what it's worth this is a good post

Agreed.

or we can skip that part and kill him


or you can gimme your top pick instead

Scum post.

VOTE: T3

what????

happy to vote pooky but people seem averse to that for the following reason:

Spoiler:

?????

how am i not doing something?

lol

What exactly are you doing to hunt scum again?

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can someone explain to me in excruciating detail why asteria is wolf so i can feel good about voting her

Profile pic

I didn't have a N0 meeting, I have other info, and that other info has me thinking Robert is almost surely fake, but I won't say more. I just don't think he's a town tracker

Hmmm.....

I just don't think it's smart to eliminate a claimed tracker D1. And I also think his scum partners would've 1) helped with a better crumb, and 2) told him not to claim at E-2 or whatever it was

^
This (3).

I just don't think it's smart to eliminate a claimed tracker D1. And I also think his scum partners would've 1) helped with a better crumb, and 2) told him not to claim at E-2 or whatever it was

I am telling you right now, if there is 3 maf, he is not a town tracker

Well, we can sort this on Day 2. The game will not over after Day 1.

well i messed that formatting right up. should still be pretty readable

Yeah, it's readable, thanks.

is 2 maf and a traitor a valid alternative to 3 maf? it's a serious question here, and do traitors know the maf?

In normal set-ups, the usual number of scums is 3 in 13 players game. Scums can have more than 1 PR, it's normal in normal set-ups.
Generally, the traitor knows who are the scums but the scums don't know who is the traitor. But I'm not sure if a mod can change things for any particular game in normal set-ups.

SAURON IS NO TRAITOR

SAURON IS DARK LORD

"it should not be difficult for the Traitor to distinguish themselves to the scum. Just do something outrageously scummy or eye-catching for them."

this would explain your actions lmao

Town post.

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Spoiler:

I messed up with the page numbers ig, sorry!

for the record since no one asked: i'm certain that pawns' replacement is due to that one random post being him accidentally outing his main and dropping the game because of it. therefore not AI

Yeah, that's a possibility.

update: I think we're dealing with a traitor in this, idk how that affects anything lol

okay so why are you so convinced that there's a traitor? we have several town pr claims and you're saying mafia has a traitor? what do you know that i dont?

I know a lot more, but outing my actual info might help maf more than town, ahhhhhh

Quoting this post to remember later.

cuz lemons and STD and GCray are the three scum

you're welcome

Why I'm not scum?

i'm just confused at this point

And I'm tired

yolo, fun fact I'm a gunsmith, but I don't give anyone guns... sad times

Hmmm..... (2)

So I know how many people "have guns" this game, but I think if I out that number it only helps scum

I'm pretty sure it's a good idea to claim this

if we're claiming how many guns we have.

I'm a town cowboy. I have two guns, I'm allowed to shoot up to two people a night or go into PGO mode and shoot two people who visit me, I'm looking for my horse who was stolen by a notorious horse-thief known as "Dutch Henry"

And here some people are calling you town

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ahhhhhh osuka, should I out how many gunned members are here? idk if it's beneficial for town or will only help maf

You already told many things which you shouldn't in the 1st place, I'm getting anxious to read the rest of the pages tbh. If you didn't say anything more already, don't say another thing please, it'll help the mafia more.

whatever, there's 4 guns total this game, I have 1, and 3 others are out there, doc/traitors do not show as having guns, so at least 1 is a scum gun

so you're an informed gunsmith?

So you kill her tonight or

Robert M Hunter

?

VOTE: Crayons

I'm good with this here tbh

Reason?

how has the game become better for him linking it?

It gives a really good idea of the setup we're in?? it has a maf doc and a gs.... I was losing my mind trying to figure out the setup, he gave the link, and now I'm feeling a little better about this..
how are you looking at this so negatively?

Scums usually show that they're trying to help but they actually don't help the town, they use this strategy to get towncred or pocket someone.

n two other quick points

-roleclaiming this messily after like 5 pages of softclaiming and floundering and confusion makes it pretty much unthinkable to me that andante is being anything but genuine here. my shaky but incredibly persistent gut townread had some merit to it all along dadgummit
-cop, mafia, vig, gunsmith, etc. all have guns. given the wide range of roles that can possess guns, i don't think focusing too hard on the total number before anyone at all has flipped is going to grant us any useful setup information. i still don't truly understand why you're so convinced a traitor must be in here. again, trackers do NOT have guns, so it doesn't tell us anything about the veracity of robert's claim. why didn't you bother to verify that before going down this road?

1. I think

Andante

is town.
2. She is new and hence totally confused about the set-up.

Andante i hand this note to you

don't forget about this trap of pooky's when i flip green

my issue is, I think you're both town, thus I was voting crayons, another pooky said was scum

Got your reason, nevermind.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 51,52

i'm town reading crayons atm sorry.

he's made some valid points and i've agreed with a lot of what he's saying

I'm still convinced Lemons is scum, has TMI and playing too matter of fact-ly

have you pointed out specific posts that support this?

the timing of adante's claim when she isn't exactly primed for an elim, but also it's suuuper weak and not something that would save her from an elim, doesn't strike me as a particularly smart scum play and so probably not coming from scum (~*~noobscum~*~ or otherwise)

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

Yeah, but I'm not seeing him as town yet, he is in my null list atm.

he's made some valid points and i've agreed with a lot of what he's saying

name one

Those points were quoted already in the post you're quoted now!!

whoa wait i just realized something called the user control panel exists.

(I need more emojies to express myself in a better way)

I’ve taken a few days off of this game mostly, but I started re-reading, and I really hate Robert hahaha and I think their claim is horrible, and the crumb makes no sense from a real PR. We should blow it up.

@osuka

, do you agree with

Andresvmb

here?

i don't understand your pooky tr

you can't even explain your SR of me.

you've literally pointed to not a single thing that's scum-indicative

I have started from page #41 today and on page #52 now, still get nothing from you which I can tell town-indicative.

what is your read on crayons

Like, crayons is just kinda there, the lines you've quoted read as TMI to me, but like, hasn't done anything to stand out, like Haschel. I just.. idk, my mind just hasn't been this lost/confused before lmao it's like, I need to ISO more people, but read wise I'm so lost

Take it as advice for future games, when you're lost on reads, don't vote anyone until you can be sure.

Look I need to really catch up and keep reading, but blowing up Pooky seems ridiculous. Who is pushing that, Save The Dragons? That’s another potential Scum. I wouldn’t listen to a word they said.

I think we caught another scum (2).

1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

it's taking you so long to say that if you had said that posts ago i'd be happy to drop it but you didn't so hmm.

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

and you have yet to make a single case as to why

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

all you've done is make a scum team of three based on no reads, no evidence presented, so no, i don't really think you've done anything even if you'd like to pretend you have

^
This (4?).

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 53,54,55,56

im sorry whats the case on t3

"He is doing nothing" case.

I would vote T3 here... that slot has just had no significant contribution, half me just feels we'd be better just killing it, and living with the consequence of it, cause like, we can't make a read off nothing... at least everyone here has had something relevant, that slot? is a mess...

VOTE: T3

This is wrong. Please unvote.

Why?

are you seriously starting a flash train on a slot nobody's made a real case on

The protector of lurkers has spoken.

Quoting this post for future re-evaluating process.

osuka, this is literally robert's first game. please.

What if he is lying?

Andante, I would urge you to take a step back. I don’t think you are reading the game properly if you really think everyone else is being sufficiently Towny. RMH is engaging in this behavior because they’re threatened and don’t know how to respond, and can’t call osuka Scum. At least that’s how I read it.

Feels TMI but I'll think about it later.

@osuka vote STD. I was re-reading and I started liking VFP actually.

Hmm.... another partner indicative post?? I'll think about it later (2).

osuka, robert, you 2 trying to continue a fight will only discourage others from jumping in and talking here, so please.

There’s some Scum motivation in this too. Make a fight look sufficiently annoying and pollute the thread, and drive Town apathy. I’ve seen it before.

[Salsabil Faria]

I request to everyone that

stop doing wtf you guys are doing atm

??? While I has started reading from page 41, it was 61 pages then, now it becomes 64. I don't care what is going on right now, I want to finish catching up 1st! Now, will you guys be good enough to let me do that by not increasing any more pages for now?

Can you please hold yourselves??

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 57,58,59,60,61

PookyTheMagicalBear [4]: Salsabil Faria, Robert M Hunter, Save The Dragons, InsidiousLemons

Look who was sitting on Pooky, who you’re defending. And look where Pooky’s vote is. How can you really not find the compromise vote onto T3 to be Scummy as all hell?

Who else do you scumread for sitting on this wagon except

Robert M Hunter

and

Save The Dragons

?

I've been nothing but courteous, but at some point TONIGHT I've had enough being called a moron. Why are you misrepresenting?

I wasn’t talking about personal attacks. I was talking about the way in which you’ve approached my probing. It’s an immediate instinct to attack and deflect. Not to understand my point of view.

What probing? You'e done no probing, you just mindlessly call me scum. I'm supposed to "understand" your "point of view?" This isn't a therapy session. What could I possibly say that would satisfy you? "Oh yes Mr. Andres, I totally understand why you think I'm scum, here's your bill, see you next week!" or "I'll try to play in a way that corresponds more closely to your expectations of a townie, here's your bill, see you next week!"

This is lit!

In the meantime, from seeing the interaction between

Robert M Hunter

vs

Andresvmb

, I don't think they are TvT.

extreme super villains vs flawless super heroes, black and white

this is exactly how the game is

join team super villain

superheroes stink and are boring

I'm almost going to say

Spoiler:

f**k you!!

but don't want to do that

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

WTF!!!

I really would like to blow up Robert.

Sadly we're not getting the tracker today. Gonna have to find someone else who preferably isn't Pooky

They’re not a Tracker - that’s nonsense. I have never seen an actual Town PR Tracker blow their spot up so fast. That’s ridiculous.

And you have seen an Informed GS do so?

Good question.

PookyTheMagicalBear

's 1514: After billion years, this is your take??
1515: I don't townread

Green Crayons

.

Game is pretty tragic and I just want to move on from day 1.

Pooky
Robert
Lemons
Asteria
Osuka
Salsabil

T3

- need more. Something makes me want to say town but I can't go into this.

Andante

- claiming plausible PR for town here. Just finished a game with scum GS and I just really hate the mind set this slot has. Probably just going to be town who i can't rely on with anything but results for late game.

Andres

- during the shit show catch up from last night Andre started to look town but by the end of it I just thought that they were noise. Maybe reading last night just looks bad on people where I shouldn't but I think closer to scum.

Anya
Save The Dragons
Green Crayons

I'd rather have all reads in the green or red for tomorrow the way this game is. So hopefully this changes before. However, as I said I won't be sad if we can move on.

Feel free to question any changes I've had.

Quoting this to think about it later (3).

STD has been towntelling with the reaction. VFP is a strong tr of mine here. Asteria had a terrible reaction at the start of the day to an obvious RVS vote and only Anya seems to notice. I tr Pooky so I think I will leave my vote as-is.

Who do you townread atm and why?

Who do you scumread atm and why?

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 62,63,64

Like.. what town explains the null instead of SRs wtf??

Point.

Salsa... is your recap just bashing me? cause I'm not the elim today, so that's just gonna be wasting your time....

Am I just bashing you?? No, it's not gonna waste my time, it'll help me in the upcoming days cause Day 1 is going shit.

hey VFP, 1 question, why is STD scum?

Playing for survival

I don't get it, town shouldn't play for survival??

and salsa is my new favorite person

I'm betting my life here by thinking that you're a town, don't disappoint me....

I DID state my reason for voting STD.
My current solve would be Asteria STD and Robert

Mention the post please? And what are the reasons behind scumreading

Asteria

and

Robert M Hunter

again?

Dragon is probably town for actually being someone to not claim a PR
UNVOTE: Dragon

I like to know your thought process of scumreading

Save The Dragons

to townreading him atp.

Dragon is probably town for actually being someone to not claim a PR
UNVOTE: Dragon

he literally can't claim a pr here... with GS and tracker out, it would be way too scummy.

I'm pretty sure if STD is town, VFP is scum trying to back off the wagon

Hmm.... not a bad thought process actually.

Andres and VFP are 2 scum

Maybe.

pooky and dragon are TvT

Not sure.

VOTE: Asteria

Reason?

no. 10 of those pages are easy to skim

Didn't want to skim.

VOTE: Dragons

I'm keeping it, final decision. There was honestly no need to even claim VT and I hate VFP's defense for "omg the VT claim is so towny" bruh. if dragon claimed anything else he couldn't live past tomorrow. I'm not playing this game. VFP is going tomorrow if I'm alive

I want to see my face on the mirror if he flips scum, I want to see your face if he flips town.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 65,66,67

lmao I know I did the exact same thing... but saying Andre started to look town at the end of the shitshow? I felt quite the opposite, he felt a lot scummier spending so much time on the tracker claim, and had 1 thing "STD could be scum, but tracker is the scummiest one" wasted so much time and effort on something irrelevant...

I can spend as much time as I want pursuing whatever I want if I think it’s relevant. It’s not time wasted, particularly since you can clearly see what I’m thinking. If you think it’s irrelevant that’s up to you, but frankly you’re starting to annoy me now.

I know the feeling

And here some people are calling you town

Salsabil walk me through your thinking here - what makes you think Pooky is Scum for that Claim? I’m actually not sure what to think about it, since I actually thought that PGO wasn’t a role that’s typically included in Normal games (as it can be considered bastard).

It's not about the role, and I didn't understand what role they claimed until I see this post. But point is, they're shit posting and people still want to sheep them. I played with town!them before where there were a few shit posts from them. I'm playing another game with them where they flipped scum, in that game, there was a moderate level of shit posts from them. In this game, there were shit posts only until their wagon is getting heated pretty hard and after that, they start to play but still not much to townread them for me.

I DID state my reason for voting STD.
My current solve would be Asteria STD and Robert

Huh. You have my exact same solve.

Hmmm....

I think we caught another scum (2).

Sigh.

Prove me wrong then.

PookyTheMagicalBear

's 1628: gone over my head!

Compomise: vote Asteria

like GCray's ISO takes maybe 2 minutes to "read"

there's nothing there

It's like he's trying to fade into the background like some kind of chamelon and pretend he's not even playing the game or something

it's wild

And your ISO is full with shit postings.

when i flip take a hard look at andres who seemed to decide i was scum and then made the world fit that view

Yep. Let’s do that.

Ok.

at this point i think you should vote me out because i think you'll learn a lot as a town

Actually, I'm thinking to eliminate you atp, your flip will help a lot.

Should we lim Salsa so they don't have a chance to think about my post?

What's your problem??

guys i think pooky might be town

Spoiler:

like does anyone here even think GCray cares who gets eliminated today?

good point

VOTE: Crayons

VOTE: Crayons

like I think at this point Crayons has higher scum equity than STD.

I can see this as Crayons stuck in the awkward place where he doesn't have a whole lot of ways to defend his scum buddy but he doesn't want to bus because he thinks STD can still talk his way out of it.

but I can also see Crayons are being WKnighty and not wanting to get his hands dirty in an STD!Town world.

So on the off chance STD is town which I think is kind of unlikely I can still see GCray getting the rope treatment today

VOTE: Green Crayons
To keep help keep up the wagon.

VOTE: Crayons

Reading Salsabil today convinced me that he's town.

I don't want to touch my null read today. And my pronoun is she.

[Salsabil Faria]

@salsa, oh I'm pretty sure dragons is flipping town, but there was a big wagon on him so I wanted to see, like if anyone would quick vote STD while I had STD at E-1, and in the process VFP tried to create as much distance from STD as he could... but yeah, STD's slot is just complicated, I'm like too sure he's flipping town, it's great

Yeah, I'm suspicious about

VFP

too atm. Want to wagon him?

VOTE: VFP

[Salsabil Faria]

I like to know your thought process of scumreading Save The Dragons to townreading him atp.

Thats already explained.

Yup, got it.

I don't get it, town shouldn't play for survival??

No you're playing to find scum as town.
It's your Wincon, lim all scum. At no point does it say survive.
Scum is basically the opposite.

I mean in general sense yes, but if you're a TPR who are getting miseliminate, things will be pretty different.

I don't get it, town shouldn't play for survival??

No you're playing to find scum as town.
It's your Wincon, lim all scum. At no point does it say survive.
Scum is basically the opposite.

This is absolutely correct. I don’t understand how this is even remotely controversial.

It's not controversial??

VOTE: Crayons

Reading Salsabil today convinced me that he's town.

This is all the proof I need that GC is going to flip Town. I was just waiting for it.

If you think,

Robert M Hunter

is scum, who can be his partners?

[Salsabil Faria]

Prove me wrong then.

I don’t have to prove you wrong. You need to read me correctly. Like you’re responsible for your reads. If you don’t like my answers that’s alright. But I keep having to say this - if you can’t read me properly, that’s not my fault.

And you've serious,

Spoiler:

issue......

[Salsabil Faria]

What's your problem??

I wasn't serious. My bad.

Pedit! Okay I take that back!

Lol ok! I'm sorry, this game is giving me serious headache

[Salsabil Faria]

at this point i think you should vote me out because i think you'll learn a lot as a town

Yeah, I'm kind of agreeing......

what do you wanna do town?

[Salsabil Faria]

I mean in general sense yes, but if you're a TPR who are getting miseliminate, things will be pretty different.

What has a TPR got to do with this?
I never once believed Dragon was a PR.

It's not about him, I'm talking in a general sense.

[Salsabil Faria]

Do I see salsa fishing for PRs???

VOTE: Salsa

[Salsabil Faria]

Do I see salsa fishing for PRs???

VOTE: Salsa

I don't think so.
I assume the point was a PR wants to survive.

[Salsabil Faria]

Prove me wrong then.

I don’t have to prove you wrong. You need to read me correctly. Like you’re responsible for your reads. If you don’t like my answers that’s alright. But I keep having to say this - if you can’t read me properly, that’s not my fault.

And you've serious,

Spoiler:

issue......

No I don’t have an ego problem. You’re basically making me responsible for your read. I refuse to take responsibility for your mistakes. It’s not an ego problem, it’s a basic allocation of responsibility problem.

[Salsabil Faria]

It's not controversial??

If there’s disagreement about it then it’s controversial. Not like rage inducing or anything.

Now if you want to complain about a discussion where the Scum can easily engage in some posturing, that’s one of those.

Don't understand what are you saying....

If you think, Robert M Hunter is scum, who can be his partners?

I think I’ve been crystal clear about who I would like to see executed at this juncture.

Mention again then? I didn't memorize the thread.

[Salsabil Faria]

I want to vote

Save The Dragons

today, his wagon is being a pain in the a**, if he is a town, then I'm afraid his wagon will be being a pain in the a** in the following days.
We have 1 day, 13 hours, 16 minutes left btw, and I don't want a no-elimination D1. If we don't want to get

Save The Dragons

today, who do you guys want to eliminate?

[Salsabil Faria]

@salsa, oh I'm pretty sure dragons is flipping town, but there was a big wagon on him so I wanted to see, like if anyone would quick vote STD while I had STD at E-1, and in the process VFP tried to create as much distance from STD as he could... but yeah, STD's slot is just complicated, I'm like too sure he's flipping town, it's great

Yeah, I'm suspicious about

VFP

too atm. Want to wagon him?

UNVOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

VOTE: VFP

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't think Anya is town.
I think Anya is scum.

Same, I need to ISO her though but I don't remember a single post from her while catching up.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm waiting for the vc from the mod, I'll place my vote after that.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

Definitely not. The votes have been moving all around but I’m pretty sure we haven’t even gotten close to 7. And where’s the 30 minutes left coming from? I thought we had at least a day left.

Yeah, we have a day left, but I'm not sure anymore if we can get another elimination by the majority agreeing other than

Save The Dragons

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

I thought you wanted to get dragons here? what changed?

I'm not impatient like you.

[Salsabil Faria]

quick! we have 30 minutes to quickhammer someone!!!

So you're ready to hammer if not already??

[Salsabil Faria]

I think you underestimate the pressure of deadline, but at this point I think STD is a fine execution.

Me? I mean I don't see any strong counter-wagon yet....

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

Definitely not. The votes have been moving all around but I’m pretty sure we haven’t even gotten close to 7. And where’s the 30 minutes left coming from? I thought we had at least a day left.

Yeah, we have a day left, but I'm not sure anymore if we can get another elimination by the majority agreeing other than

Save The Dragons

.

ok, but here's the deal, you literally just got done telling us Dragons would be the best vote here...

I'll vote after seeing the vc, I'm not headbound over it.

[Salsabil Faria]

I really hope you're a town.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw if you all are really going to drive Crayons up, you should let them Claim before being hammered. Crayons said they would be back tonight so we should wait on that.

Yeah, I'm waiting for his opinions.

[Salsabil Faria]

why do you hope i'm a town

don't you learn just as much if i'm scum

If you're town it'll be to find scum from your wagon imo.

[Salsabil Faria]

why do you hope i'm a town

don't you learn just as much if i'm scum

If you're town it'll be easy to find scum from your wagon imo.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

...but if you're wrong, you caught scum

Yes, which also means my reads are bad, I have to re-evaluate my reads on others.

If dragons is scum, salsa is 100% partner

Yes, I'm claiming scum, sue me??

gonna skim the thread but wtf @ 1752

I want to vote

Save The Dragons

today, his wagon is being a pain in the a**, if he is a town, then I'm afraid his wagon will be being a pain in the a** in the following days.
We have 1 day, 13 hours, 16 minutes left btw, and I don't want a no-elimination D1. If we don't want to get

Save The Dragons

today, who do you guys want to eliminate?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, it's 02:41 am here, time to sleep. If anyone needs to know anything from me, post here, I'll come back tomorrow.

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

Definitely not. The votes have been moving all around but I’m pretty sure we haven’t even gotten close to 7. And where’s the 30 minutes left coming from? I thought we had at least a day left.

Yeah, we have a day left, but I'm not sure anymore if we can get another elimination by the majority agreeing other than

Save The Dragons

.

why are you so pressed about getting an exec in as soon as possible? that's extremely weird

it's usually good for town to use as much time as possible without getting to a point where you actually can't get an exec in, and hurrying everyone else up here is rubbing me off in a really wrong way. i wanna give you a pass because you're new to the game but this is really fucking weird

I'm waiting for the vc from the mod, I'll place my vote after that.

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

I thought you wanted to get dragons here? what changed?

I'm not impatient like you.

I think you underestimate the pressure of deadline, but at this point I think STD is a fine execution.

Me? I mean I don't see any strong counter-wagon yet....

Wait, did

T3

just hammered???

Definitely not. The votes have been moving all around but I’m pretty sure we haven’t even gotten close to 7. And where’s the 30 minutes left coming from? I thought we had at least a day left.

Yeah, we have a day left, but I'm not sure anymore if we can get another elimination by the majority agreeing other than

Save The Dragons

.

ok, but here's the deal, you literally just got done telling us Dragons would be the best vote here...

I'll vote after seeing the vc, I'm not headbound over it.

lEaRn To RaAd Mr. hIgH bRaIn PoWeR....

[Salsabil Faria]

I really hope you're a town.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

fucking what?

VOTE: salsa

this is amateur hour

[Salsabil Faria]

why do you hope i'm a town

don't you learn just as much if i'm scum

If you're town it'll be easy to find scum from your wagon imo.

EBWOP

this is amateur hour

It's a personal take, by playing several mafia games so far, I think I learn how to read. If

Save The Dragons

flips town, it'll give me more confidence that my reads are somewhat correct and I'm on the right path. If he flips scum, it'll indicate my reads are still bad and I need to re-evaluate my reads on everyone.

[Salsabil Faria]

@salsa, oh I'm pretty sure dragons is flipping town, but there was a big wagon on him so I wanted to see, like if anyone would quick vote STD while I had STD at E-1, and in the process VFP tried to create as much distance from STD as he could... but yeah, STD's slot is just complicated, I'm like too sure he's flipping town, it's great

Yeah, I'm suspicious about

VFP

too atm. Want to wagon him?

VOTE: VFP

as i said i dont think vfp is the kill for d1 but i'm definitely willing to listen

vfp really doesn't feel like a terrible choice. they have a scum read on greencrayons for, as far as i can tell, merely disagreeing with them re: humour being a problem. they distanced themself from the STD wagon for very shoddy reasons in 1577 as soon as people started talking about the likelihood of scum being on it, and have been doing a whole lot of nothing for... pages and pages now.

InsidiousLemons

sum-up this better, I'm agreeing with the points here.

[Salsabil Faria]

like honestly thinking about it i think i prefer to exec vfp over pooky? my inspiration doesn't feel like it was super inspired anymore

If I'm being honest, I still want

PookyTheMagicalBear

but it not seems will be possible today.

[Salsabil Faria]

I request to everyone that

stop doing wtf you guys are doing atm

??? While I has started reading from page 41, it was 61 pages then, now it becomes 64. I don't care what is going on right now, I want to finish catching up 1st! Now, will you guys be good enough to let me do that by not increasing any more pages for now?

Can you please hold yourselves??

i think i forgot to quote this too but my other tab was open on this post and i do want to point out that this is fucking disgusting and salsa is quickly climbing to the top of my shit list for a d1 exec

this is amateur hour

[Salsabil Faria]

my vote is on salsa right now and while i do support a salsa exec, i'm gonna go back on what i previously said and say i can be happy with vfp

this is amateur hour

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Save The Dragons

[Salsabil Faria]

By seeing

osuka

vs

VFP

interaction, I'm not sure if they are TvT.

VFP

is still in my sus-list because of their development arroun the

Save The Dragons

wagon (refer: 1838). I'm not liking

osuka

's confbiasing with townreading

Andresvmb

and for that scumreading

Asteria

. But I don't want to touch these slots today. I'll choose from these people in this order today:

PookyTheMagicalBear

>

VFP

>

Anya

>

T3

, which also seems not possible for

PookyTheMagicalBear

and

T3

. Left:

VFP

>

Anya

.

VOTE: VFP

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, here's the one thing I don't really get, Salsa had a bunch of lines about how Dragons was the best to vote out today, even if town. Salsa freaked out when we had 2 or 3 votes on Dragons thinking it was a lot more votes, saw there were only a few, happily voted and said something about it being town, and now all of a sudden doesn't care for Dragons??


Salsa has started feeling really weird here

He is my townread, I only agree to vote him in the case no one agrees to eliminate anyone other than him.
You're a TPR who claimed in Day 1 before having an E-1/E-2..... and I'm the weird one now??

[Salsabil Faria]

done with work for now

I am not reading however many pages that is

Any questions for me or is this just a claim wagon?

Who do you vote and why?

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't want to touch

Green Crayons

only because he is in my null-list, and I have scummier options. It's getting confusing.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

i don't think he's hunting i think he picked the answer first and tried to justify his reads

Also his pushing

Asteria

on the basis of a joke post and scumreading her aren't feel nice. I need to ISO both of them later but

osuka

's reasons to townread him is also not enough, mainly meta iirc.

[Salsabil Faria]

i don't think he's hunting i think he picked the answer first and tried to justify his reads

Also his pushing

Asteria

on the basis of a joke post and scumreading her aren't feel nice. I need to ISO both of them later but

osuka

's reasons to townread him is also not enough, mainly meta iirc.

You’re painfully off and it’s bugging me because you are also most likely Town. Like get off your high horse. Doesn’t feel nice has nothing to do with playing to win the game.

Egoestic much bRuH?? Trying to copy

osuka

in toxic gameplay??? For what, getting towncred like he is getting????

[Salsabil Faria]

My pushes don’t have to be “nice”, and I don’t have to like shit reasoning against my slot.

You're a

pure arrogant person

, I don't think I actually want to play with you and

osuka

in any other game anymore.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not doing anything isn't a reson not to vote someonewho is likely scum.

Who do you refer?

[Salsabil Faria]

i don't think he's hunting i think he picked the answer first and tried to justify his reads

Also his pushing

Asteria

on the basis of a joke post and scumreading her aren't feel nice. I need to ISO both of them later but

osuka

's reasons to townread him is also not enough, mainly meta iirc.

You’re painfully off and it’s bugging me because you are also most likely Town. Like get off your high horse. Doesn’t feel nice has nothing to do with playing to win the game.

Egoestic much bRuH?? Trying to copy

osuka

in toxic gameplay??? For what, getting towncred like he is getting????

You’re SR’ing me and constantly shading me. You’re wrong. It’s not egotistic. You’re just off.

this is amateur hour

[Salsabil Faria]

My pushes don’t have to be “nice”, and I don’t have to like shit reasoning against my slot.

You're a

pure arrogant person

, I don't think I actually want to play with you and

osuka

in any other game anymore.

I don’t understand why you would play Mafia and expect that you would just be constantly praised for everything you say, even when you’re wrong. Makes no sense to me. I’m not playing toxic, I keep asking you to reevaluate and you keep failing to do it. You’re just constantly shading me, yet I have to sit here and take it because your think skin can’t take criticism.

I think I already stated earlier I'll touch your slot on Day 2. And it makes no sense that the person I'm scumreading, I'll take

their word

to re-evaluate them who literally doing nothing town indicative which can make me re-think atp.
And yes, I'm a thick-skinned person, most probably cause I shared a pretty long time by getting bullied and for that, I refuse to tolerate any kind of misbehave with me anywhere. There is a difference between criticism and misbehave, but I don't think you're capable to understand that as you're

using.game.to.be.toxic

.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod, I’m not going to stand for being called toxic. Either give me a warning or Salsabil. I’m done with this back and forth.

Lol! Why you do want a warning if you're not being toxic and I'm lying?

[Salsabil Faria]

What about your ISO

PookyTheMagicalBear

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Like get off your high horse

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm taking a day off from this thread.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: VFP

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Salsabil Faria]

Robert M Hunter has been killed night 1. he was a

vanilla townie

.

the sun rises. it is now day 2.

This is lit!

Well that flip definitely would have made for some unhappy scum.

VOTE: anya

And why do you think that unhappy scum is

Anya

, but not

Andresvmb

who kind of refused to believe that both

Robert M Hunter

and

Save The Dragons

can be town??

lol okay

VOTE: Asteria

Having a gun is not always indicate mafia?? I'm not saying that she can't be, but want to your reason for this.

Actually I see what you're saying. How many guns are there again? 4?
I have one, you have one, the mafia doc does not have a gun, so if there are 2 mafia with a gun each then koba must be lying.

@mod Are the mafia (besides the doc) regardless of their role considered to have a gun?

maf doc and maf traitor don't have guns. Also, I have you down as not having a gun lmao, your reaction here...

So if you were town here, you'd be like "no! Andante isn't telling the truth!!" instead, your reaction was more of "crap! I was caught!!"

Clever!

[Salsabil Faria]

So if you were town here, you'd be like "no! Andante isn't telling the truth!!" instead, your reaction was more of "crap! I was caught!!"

No. Why would I ever do that. You outed me as town with a gun. If I say you're lying then that means I'm claiming either you're scum lying which is false. And that automatically defaults to they believe you and I'm eliminated, or they believe me and you're eliminated.

you never figured I was reaction testing? so if you wanna keep that gunned claim. give the report, cause at this point, you'd only be helping scum

I thought you were at first since I didn't realize my role was considered to be a gun but I guess it does make sense. Also you scumread me so makes sense you targeted me. I guess I'll ask the mod to confirm if I do have a gun but pretty sure I do

Basically you're claiming PR who has a gun but

Andante

's night result says you don't have a gun.... you get caught!
Also,

@Andante

, what does your night result actually say?

VOTE: Asteria

maybe I have you down as having a gun... who knows. I love this reaction test which you are failing misserably

What the!!!!! Did you check

Asteria

or not??? If you checked, what's the result???

UNVOTE: Asteria

You didn't. If this was actually a reaction test then you outed a PR for no reason and I was dumb and should've double checked if I have a gun or not

Well yeah, I've clearly outed a pr if you are in fact real, and I see no reason for you to not claim at this point. (I literally checked someone completely different lmao)

And what is the result? I'm going from page to page again, if you didn't say it already, you have a reason not to share it still?

Ok well I don't see a point in hiding my role now that scum can pretty much figure out at least what type of role I am. I'm a town non-consecutive night neapolitan. So every second night I target someone and find out if they're a vanilla townie or not. I targeted someone last night who is vanilla town so I have somebody conftown who I won't out right away.

Hmm.... town can't have 2 killing roles ig, if your claim is real, then

DkKoba

is scum or vice-versa.

you'd also definitely have a gun, so if you're real... that vig situation is still a thing...

not sure i understand this comment. are you speaking of the possibility that asteria is maf PR? what vig situation?

why on earth would you hammer if you were pretty certain dragons was flipping town? what was the thought process there?

neopolitans have guns, vigs have guns, I have a gun, that's 3 guns there, 1 more in play. at least 1 scum has a gun. so if the 3 pr claims are real, we have a traitor in play

I find it hard to believe that out of 4 guns, towns have 3 and the mafias have only 1.... how it balances the power between town and mafia (this question is for those who have a good understanding of power roles balance in this set-up)?

[Salsabil Faria]

so if you don't out it, and your claim is real. you are dead tonight...

Yes, I understand that. I'll out it before I die unless a dayvig swoops in and kills me

There is no day vig in this set-up??

yeah koba is pretty transparently lying here. they even said they were gonna base their shot decision on the dragons flip, and if they shot a protected scum they would've died because of the weak modifier. don't know why i didn't think of this earlier.

VOTE: DkKoba

@Koba what happened

@Asteria I don't think it's necessary to out it just yet. wait to see if you can catch scum in a fakeclaim, we have like 99% of D2 left

@DkKoba

, what is your night result (if you don't mention about this yet)?

@Andante

and

@Asteria

, yes we have still time (and I understand now, you can ignore my questions from the last post), don't need to out your night results yet.

I'm not so certain on VFP, Andante. And lemons has been obvtown to me. I think your reads are a bit off

no, my reads aren't fucking off, I told yall dreagons town, I KNOW VFP is scum, we are getting vfp here

Calm down, you're being over-confident again. You outed a TPR (?) already, so slow down a bit.
I also townread

InsidiousLemons

, will not vote him, but I agree

VFP

is also not a bad wagon. I need to finish reading the posts first, then I'll decide where I put my vote.

[Salsabil Faria]

gonna poof for a bit to not bloat this thread while others are away. know that i am not attacking you, i'm trying to convince you to play this game in a more constructive and methodical way

More methodical way? please, not like anyone is gonna fucking listen, so guess what? I'll just spam the thread and make it suck for whoever is trying to catch up. Like I think salsa is scum, none yall do, so why the fuck would I try and make a case for that when all yall are like "omg we love you salsa" like, the amount of resistance I get to VFP here? no one is even entertaining the idea and considering it. I'm CERTAIN vfp is flipping scum based on their actions. I gave yall dragons, now I want vfp

I shot at vfb

Okay.... which means they are town so you're alive. But I can't say I believe you or your night result yet because of

Asteria

's claim as I find it hard to believe that towns have 2 killer roles. To be sure (imo), we can flip

VFP

and can clear you. For now,

VOTE: VFP

VOTE: DkKoba

Well thats 1 confirmed scum regardless if I'm a lim or not.

Now, it's getting funnier

cause unless you wanna explain your flip from "Dragons for sure scum" to having no comment on Dragons...

This was explained. It was pretty obvious.
Here's the deal, I get lim and flip green you stop posting in the game about anything other than sheeping a player of my choice with votes.
I'll even sleep vote then, sound good?

I want to take the deal.

cause the tracker claim is. you wanna call me scum?

Tracker isn't a greater threat than Gunsmith unless you have bad reads.
If you thought I was scum so bad, and was 100% why didn't you check me?

Okay..... this post wants to make me think twice.

@InsidiousLemons

, what do you think?

UNVOTE: VFP

(for now)

[Salsabil Faria]

I've found this game hard to get in to. I'll try to be more active in future. This has been very fast paced than the games I'm used to.

Do you complete full catch-up? If so, what are your thoughts/reads atm?

Andante may have given up that scum have a roleblocker there and be scum.
I'll think about it.

Don't get it, you meant she claimed roleblocker?

I really think Andante fucked up here and trying to play it off as naive now.

Hmm....

Andante's posting changed the second I called out about the roleblocker claim.
Andante knows they fucked up.

@InsidiousLemons

, want to know your thoughts on this.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: DkKoba
I find it highly unlikely that Andante could fake a gs claim.

What's the relation with voting

DkKoba

then?

I shot at vfb

What's your explanation for vfp not dying then?

Lol, wait.....

@DkKoba

, if you're a vig (weak/strong), why

VFP

is still alive??? (I'm losing my mind already!!!) What does your night result say exactly?

I shot at vfb

What's your explanation for vfp not dying then?

There are only 3 options.

I'm scum and doc saves me
I'm town and Dk is town and scum have a RB
I'm town and Dk is scum and they lied

Those are the 3 options we have right now.
Andante had the mindset that there

is

a roleblocker.

Easy and 1... 2... 3

This will only be clear if we flip from one of you. And it's not easy, at least not to me! And I believe

Andante

is town, so it's between you,

DkKoba

and

Asteria

.

I'm running under the assumption andante tells the truth. They way they claimed did not seem easily fakable

Agreed.

Why would scum chose to RB vig over gunsmith though

Because Gunsmith is scum!
Shocker!

Yup, gunsmith can be a mafia role too, but I'm not convinced on that thought yet.

im at work i cant catch up but i think scum healed me and vfp is scum also healed which means 2 docs

Why mafia doc will heal you if you're a town vig?
[To those who have good knowledge about this set-up, can the mafia has vig in this set-up? Also, what's the percentage of having 2 docs (town and mafia) in this game?]

I think tracker is scum considering they didnt die

Umm....

Robert M Hunter

fake-claimed tracker and flipped VT after the nk. I'm not sure anyone else claimed/claims tracker yet???

Robert M Hunter has been killed night 1. he was a

vanilla townie

.

VFP

's 2244: it's weird but not in a scummy way if she is an impulsive townie which I believe she is.

p-edit @salsa neapolitan is not a killing role lol

Lol, this proves that I suck at understanding roles (wait, this means I'm also misunderstanding the Neapolitan role in another set-up, what an embarrassment!!!)
So, the town can have 2 informed/investigative roles??

[Salsabil Faria]

VFP i don't like your push on andante. scum RB is really the only logical explanation for weakvig!koba not dying, and that's where andante's mind went as well as mine. why are they scum for thinking of that possibility but not me?

Oh yeah they are weak vig.
Well then that should clear since Dk shot me.

How?

So koba town = vfp scum or is there another explanation?

No? town!

DkKoba

= town!

VFP

or scum!

DkKoba

= scum!

VFP

im a

weak vigilante

because if i target scum who is saved i just die instead

oh right roleblocker works on weak vig lol

see i told you guys dragon saver was town you should've listened

why did you quickhammer them if u townread them?

it was a tactically deployed joke because i wanted to hide the egg on my face

Wut??

why would mafia doc protect you?

dkkoba how do you come to the conclusion that mafia protected you to keep you alive because you're weak targeting them and also protected themselves

@DkKoba

....

I targeted VFP, I dont get any feedback on my action minus a dead body or 2(me)

Ok...

i was at work and i was thinking of the fact that theres a confirmed doctor + wondering why they killed a VT over GS / tracker

Robert M Hunter

fake-claimed tracker. By knowing this info, what your theory tells now?

[Salsabil Faria]

@datisi

hypothetically if a weak vig were to target a mafia player and the vig was roleblocked, does the weak vig die?

this one is a yes

You're confusing me like hell!
Please explain to me again, why you're alive if you think

VFP

is scum? Why do you think the mafia doc saved you but not

VFP

??

[Salsabil Faria]

this game is wild

why would you think a neapo has a gun

For some weird, indescribable, illogical, alien reasons (I don't know why, brain is completely shut for rl reasons), I was thinking gun indicates killer roles only

[Salsabil Faria]

so if you don't out it, and your claim is real. you are dead tonight...

Yes, I understand that. I'll out it before I die unless a dayvig swoops in and kills me

There is no day vig in this set-up??

You don't know that??

That's why asking, do normal setup games have day vig?

[Salsabil Faria]

2 maf doc + 1 maf rolestopper/roleblocker

Then why the town has only one killer role??

[Salsabil Faria]

If we don't think scum have a traitor or 2 docs then Koba is lying. Because that would make 5 guns

How?

[Salsabil Faria]

DkKoba grasping at straws trying to make their claim make any goddamn sense

lol u are such obvious scum here

Wut??

[Salsabil Faria]

like theyre fully back to null if im being honest but i did scumread them going into the night and their reaction feels genuine.

So if vfp is scum what do you think happened?

they were rolestopped

Why the mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock the claim vig (you) but

VFP

who didn't claim anything??

[Salsabil Faria]

rolestopped = any incoming actions get roleblocked

A roleblocker can do that?

[Salsabil Faria]

If we don't think scum have a traitor or 2 docs then Koba is lying. Because that would make 5 guns

How?

Me+Andante+Koba = 3 for town
2 mafia roles that are not traitor/doc = 2 for scum

Ok, got it.

[Salsabil Faria]

2 maf doc + 1 maf rolestopper/roleblocker

Then why the town has only one killer role??

This is valid. We would need 2 killing roles for 2 docs to make sense. And I don't think we have anymore based on flips from last night

And the vig is also not powerful, a weak town vig against 2 mafia docs seems partial.

[Salsabil Faria]

like theyre fully back to null if im being honest but i did scumread them going into the night and their reaction feels genuine.

So if vfp is scum what do you think happened?

they were rolestopped

Why the mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock the claim vig (you) but

VFP

who didn't claim anything??

roleblocker blocks a role from taking an action, rolestopper blocks a person from having a night action taken on them. they're 2 different roles

Oh, ok.... then we can have a rolestopper by

DkKoba

's logic, but not a roleblocker, right?
If we have only 1 mafia doc here, then is it possible to have both roleblocker and rolestopper?

[Salsabil Faria]

vote count 2.04

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-04-30 18:15:00).

execution

DKKoba [4]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria, T3, Anya

Guys, can you unvote for now?

DkKoba

is at E-2.

[Salsabil Faria]

like theyre fully back to null if im being honest but i did scumread them going into the night and their reaction feels genuine.

So if vfp is scum what do you think happened?

they were rolestopped

Why the mafia roleblocker didn't roleblock the claim vig (you) but

VFP

who didn't claim anything??

roleblocker blocks a role from taking an action, rolestopper blocks a person from having a night action taken on them. they're 2 different roles

Oh, ok.... then we can have a rolestopper by

DkKoba

's logic, but not a roleblocker, right?
If we have only 1 mafia doc here, then is it possible to have both roleblocker and rolestopper?

there can be a roleblocker too - who targeted me.

Then, why didn't you die??

@datisi

hypothetically if a weak vig were to target a mafia player and the vig was roleblocked, does the weak vig die?

this one is a yes

[Salsabil Faria]

why are you fucking assuming theres only 1 scum doc where does it say that

2 mafia docs against 1 weak town vig also don't make sense, unless the mod is partial towards the mafia team!

[Salsabil Faria]

i parsed this as
weak vig shoots unprotected maf --> maf dies, vig lives
weak vig shoots protected maf --> maf lives, vig dies

reading the wiki page on "weak" tells me i am indeed being stupid

UNVOTE:

I find it hard to believe that

DkKoba

don't understand their own role or they didn't ask about it before to the mod if they genuinely didn't understand it.

[Salsabil Faria]

i parsed this as
weak vig shoots unprotected maf --> maf dies, vig lives
weak vig shoots protected maf --> maf lives, vig dies

reading the wiki page on "weak" tells me i am indeed being stupid

UNVOTE:

I find it hard to believe that

DkKoba

don't understand their own role or they didn't ask about it before to the mod if they genuinely didn't understand it.

Also

DkKoba

lives and

VFP

didn't die, which means

VFP

town? If the weak vig target a town, they both will live??

[Salsabil Faria]

wait i misread - that is a NO - weak modifier is affected by roleblocks. if you dont end up visiting your target you wont die.

Can you elaborate more? I don't understand.

[Salsabil Faria]

why are you fucking assuming theres only 1 scum doc where does it say that

2 mafia docs against 1 weak town vig also don't make sense, unless the mod is partial towards the mafia team!

oh im sorry is neapolitan and gs also not good for you either

What??? They are not a killer roles! Mafia has a doc because the town has a killer role (weak vig = you)

[Salsabil Faria]

mafia doc + mafia rolestopper + mafia rb sounds a bit too stacked to me

also i would imagine a mafia rolestopper on vfp would stop weak vig from dying, since the action never happens? is that right or am i wrong?

Most probably right (I'm not the right person to answer this question though). If

DkKoba

are a town weak vig, mafia has a doctor + a rolestopper + ?.
What do you think about

VFP

atp?

VFP

's being town makes sense in that scenario, or they being scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

ok so - if a weak modified role is roleblocked, it cannot die from visiting scum because it does not perform the visit.

Understood now, thanks.

[Salsabil Faria]

So there's no reason for 2 docs unless there are more town killing roles

this is a dumb take

Why?

[Salsabil Faria]

i would start to look at salsa today, too, because that slot seems to be flying pretty low on everyone's radar and it doesnt look like anyone actually took an iso dive there

Flying pretty low?? I'm active!

[Salsabil Faria]

So there's no reason for 2 docs unless there are more town killing roles

this is a dumb take

What's the purpose? Why have 2 protections if you only ever have the risk of 1 weak vig

did you forget this is a datisi setup

Datisi

makes off-balance game?

[Salsabil Faria]

knowing datisi the balance would be more leaning scumsided from him, which is confirmed fmpov.

Hmm...

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm pretty sure town only had a cop and vig in that game too.

I want to know how do you make the connection of having a town cop.

[Salsabil Faria]

i would start to look at salsa today, too, because that slot seems to be flying pretty low on everyone's radar and it doesnt look like anyone actually took an iso dive there

Flying pretty low?? I'm active!

I mean the entirety of your D1 content was a page by page analysis. I'd say the bulk of your lines are reacting to posts, not so much engaging

There is a word called time-difference, you can check my completed/running games for that.
Do you have any other reason to call me scum?

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm pretty sure town only had a cop and vig in that game too.

I want to know how do you make the connection of having a town cop.

Everytime you 2 talk, I read it as scum talking to scum. idk what it is

Scums have a pt.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: VFP

Reason?

[Salsabil Faria]

so you all wanna call Koba fake vig/ assume VFP was rolestopped....

rolestopper on VFP makes about 0 sense.


Guys, lets consider Asteria for a second. D1 had 0 pr tells, panic claimed a gunned role here once I said they have a gun. I do not like Asteria's claim, and I also feel like VFP/Salsa are scum together, but I'll let yall do you

i mean yeah im with you, i wanna see an asteria lynch

i'm cool to sheep you on this one because that looked like caught scum to me

Why

Asteria

's claim isn't believable to you?

[Salsabil Faria]

so you all wanna call Koba fake vig/ assume VFP was rolestopped....

rolestopper on VFP makes about 0 sense.


Guys, lets consider Asteria for a second. D1 had 0 pr tells, panic claimed a gunned role here once I said they have a gun. I do not like Asteria's claim, and I also feel like VFP/Salsa are scum together, but I'll let yall do you

i mean yeah im with you, i wanna see an asteria lynch

i'm cool to sheep you on this one because that looked like caught scum to me

Why

Asteria

's claim isn't believable to you?

did you not read the context around it?

you've reached the point you're just really annoying, like that fly buzzing in your ear? so I'm about to just ignore you

[Salsabil Faria]

like, what makes it super believable to you?

you've reached the point you're just really annoying, like that fly buzzing in your ear? so I'm about to just ignore you

[Salsabil Faria]

@Andresvmb

, do you finish catch-up everything? I'm struggling with all the claims, want to know your povs.

[Salsabil Faria]

hold up, you refuse to interact with me at all, and you're comparing this to how VFP is, he's literally just antagonizing me, I'm asking you valid questions, none of which you're answering, I wonder why I'm scumreading you

You're twisting my words, I don't say anywhere yet that I believe

Asteria

's claim yet, I want to know what other players think about the claims as I'm struggling with all of these (+ you're annoying). And I said it 100 times already that your methods/way of thinking/povs will not be freaking same with others! And because others gameplay don't match with you, that does not indicate that they're scum!

you've reached the point you're just really annoying, like that fly buzzing in your ear? so I'm about to just ignore you

[Salsabil Faria]

can yall chill the toxicity.

salsa this is unlike u when we played together

Energy level differs.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Andresvmb

, do you finish catch-up everything? I'm struggling with all the claims, want to know your povs.

Don’t you like hate me? Hahaha

Hate is a strong word

[Salsabil Faria]

The Non-Consecutive Night modifier makes it less likely that they actually have to provide information throughout the game, and since we’ve had a lot of claims they can probably guess who is Vanilla and who isn’t fairly well.

Asteria

claims having a night result, but don't share it yet.

[Salsabil Faria]

My bottom three at the end of the day yesterday were {Asteria, VFP, Insidious}. I thought VFP was trying to chain me into an elimination there (I’ll try and look for the post).

Wait,

InsidiousLemons

?? But you scumread

Save The Dragons

,

Robert M Hunter

and wanted to eliminate

Green Crayons/DkKoba

on Day 1? I don't recall you said that you scumread

InsidiousLemons

??

[Salsabil Faria]

You don't believe me when I say that I am

PGO/Multi-Shot Vig/Bulletproof Serial Killer ?

Tell me one thing just, your claimed role is a town role??

[Salsabil Faria]

My bottom three at the end of the day yesterday were {Asteria, VFP, Insidious}. I thought VFP was trying to chain me into an elimination there (I’ll try and look for the post).

Wait,

InsidiousLemons

?? But you scumread

Save The Dragons

,

Robert M Hunter

and wanted to eliminate

Green Crayons/DkKoba

on Day 1? I don't recall you said that you scumread

InsidiousLemons

??

What you’re saying about GC / Koba can’t be true if I was being accused by VFP of defending there right? Check my ISO a little more carefully. I thought Pooky’s push there might have been convincing, but I resisted it initially. I also like Koba so I wanted to give them a chance.

What about

InsidiousLemons

?

[Salsabil Faria]

My bottom three at the end of the day yesterday were {Asteria, VFP, Insidious}. I thought VFP was trying to chain me into an elimination there (I’ll try and look for the post).

Wait,

InsidiousLemons

?? But you scumread

Save The Dragons

,

Robert M Hunter

and wanted to eliminate

Green Crayons/DkKoba

on Day 1? I don't recall you said that you scumread

InsidiousLemons

??

What you’re saying about GC / Koba can’t be true if I was being accused by VFP of defending there right? Check my ISO a little more carefully. I thought Pooky’s push there might have been convincing, but I resisted it initially. I also like Koba so I wanted to give them a chance.

What about

InsidiousLemons

?

Nevermind!

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

Lemons and Salsa are strong townreads right now.

Koba is probably scum.
Reading VFP is like reading Sanskrit
osuka started veryx towny and has since dropped off. AndresI'm not sure about. Anya and Pooky probably town.

Can you give reasons for the reads, please?

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@VFP

....

Spoiler:

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Btw, I'm going to take a break..... have some study to do.

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Thanks Salsa!

Send me the cake We're having all lockdown here for 2 weeks till now

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Ok, if I understand correctly, if

VFP

is town, then there is a scum in between

DkKoba

and

Asteria

: this possibility is making more sense to me. Now, if I think about the roles in the game, by keeping this in mind that our mod is scum-sided, which actually kind of proves that as the mafia has a doctor, means the town has a killer role (if the town hasn't any killer role, then why our scum-sided mod give the mafia team a doctor??), which means

DkKoba

is telling the truth and

Asteria

is lying and the mafia most probably has a roleblocker (but not a rolestopper). Am I making sense here guys?
Also

Andante

, I think this is the high time to reveal your night result fully.

@datisi

hypothetically if a weak vig were to target a mafia player and the vig was roleblocked, does the weak vig die?

the weak vig would not die.

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that whole reaction check felt pretty fake to me. would not be surprised in the slightest if VFP is scum and Asteria's claim is baloney. mafdoc!VFP, anyone?

I'm thinking by flipping

VFP

will clear the confusions?

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So it's either

VFP

or

Asteria

?

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So it's either

VFP

or

Asteria

?

What I want to know is that one's flip from between these two will confirm the other's role?

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Koba they wouldn’t have flipped though, you would have. See that’s the thing I don’t get. Why didn’t they just let you shoot? They could have easily WIFOM’ed out of that, argued that I looked the worst or something.

This theory makes

VFP

scum if

DkKoba

is town and roleblocked.

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@Everyone

, should

Andante

reveal the name who she checked at the previous night atm?

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Spoiler:

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Koba they wouldn’t have flipped though, you would have. See that’s the thing I don’t get. Why didn’t they just let you shoot? They could have easily WIFOM’ed out of that, argued that I looked the worst or something.

This theory makes

VFP

scum if

DkKoba

is town and roleblocked.

But only if the Scum knew that the Town would have figured out that Koba intended to shoot VFP. I’m not convinced that’s the case. Does that make sense?

Nothing is making sense to me! Btw,

@DkKoba

, did you hint anywhere on Day 1 that you'll choose to shot

VFP

??

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So salsa, maybe if you weren't so busy calling me annoying, you'd have seen the claim

it was pooky not gunned

Thank you for the info, and I was actually ignoring your posts that time, and also sorry for annoying you

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Salsa, koba literally subbed in day end... this feels so much like scum, like, back to the dumbtelling stuff. You know fully well Koba just voted and left, the direction of this question? yeah no


VOTE: Salsa

I don't memorise the thread

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I think Salsa's actions mixed with the "you're annoying" crap points to scum, I don't think town would be refusing to answer questions as much as salsa has, and I just overall get bad vibes from her slot

You're cleary underestimating me as scum
What you're doing now is called

confbiased

.

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Well, I think my vote will be in {

Asteria

,

VFP

} today and I also think having a mafia doc implies town has to have a killer role which clears

DkKoba

as a town.

VOTE: Asteria

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So salsa, maybe if you weren't so busy calling me annoying, you'd have seen the claim

it was pooky not gunned

Thank you for the info, and I was actually ignoring your posts that time, and also sorry for annoying you

yeah, thinking you were so funny... saying I was acting like VFP who was literally just pestering me, not asking anything, the constant "Andante or me goes today!!!" yetI ask you questions and you blew me off. so whatever. I'm keeping my vote on you, I gave you a chance to interact with me yesterday, to which you thought it was funny to just piss me off, so I've said multiple times why you're scummy, and yeah, leaving vote here

Okay, I'm saying this straight rn, you're confbiasing me, and it's very difficult for me to change someone's mind who is tunneled/confbiased over me and have 0 capability to listen keeping an open mind. Every time I have been in this situation, every time it feels like I'm talking to a wall that is not useful at all and a total waste of time of mine. And it's my nature that I behave with people exactly the same way they're behaving with me.
Also, if you're not biased towards me, you should notice that I actually replied to you but later. You decided to read me as scum, then cherry toping from my posts to fit your read which is not productive at all.
So I just decide that I actually don't want to engage with you anymore, if I get an elimination for that, I've no problem cause I don't care. I'm pretty sure you'll keep scumreading me no matter what, so there is no point to engage with you anymore.

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I need to think about this whole thing. Can somebody run down what they think it means if VFP flips VT? If VFP flips Scum, that’s really obvious. Asteria is Scum and we’re close to a victory. But if VFP flips Town?

I need to think that too...

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T3

,

osuka

,

Anya

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

...... it's your turn to talk now.

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@Mod, I hurt my right hand pretty badly by doing a household chores and I'm a right handed person which makes typing from the left hand very hard for me I want to take 24 hours V/LA to see if my hand is getting better durning this time. Sorry for the trouble again.

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Well Mod! Whatever