Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Andante]

VOTE: Andres

gg we got one

[Andante]

~ there is comfirmed to be a

mafia doctor

in this setup, who may or may not have some number of modifiers.

"who may or may not have some number of modifiers"

: don't understand this line.

means it's one powerful mafia doctor, or Datisi is just trying to scare us, but a maf can save, could be 1 shot or something

[Andante]

i wouldn't assume the maf!doc is especially powerful. the ability for the informed minority to protect itself is already incredibly potent, so if there are indeed any modifiers it would probably make the most sense to me for it to be an x-shot.

VOTE: Andante because minor disagreements in phrasing = obvscum

bruh

[Andante]

actually gonna go with my gut and vote out my townread

VOTE: Salsa

I think this made me laugh too hard lmao

love it

[Andante]

VOTE: osuka

kinda weird you'd talk about things going over your head? are those missile cruisers that you're playing to bomb us with?

good point

VOTE: osuka

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

jk I think that's 4 votes on, I don't wanna get osuka too close lmao I kinda like them here

[Andante]

UNVOTE: osuka

I think this is right

[Andante]

Robert... hello, nice to meet you. I was literally joking with my first post of the game?? and you're trying to say I was serious?? excuse me??

[Andante]

I've had literally 0 game related lines, like, I shouldn't be town or scum to you yet. I was last here on page 4, I don't think I missed a whole lot trying to skim it

[Andante]

There was one line I didn't like, I don't remember who said it, someone TRed Salsa's anger/frustration... like, town or scum would get mad at that comment? it's literally nai, so that's probably where my SR lies, means I need to go find it.... rip

[Andante]

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Ah yes, 2 of yall called it town, that's why it stuck with me, like, if anything, I've had more meltdowns as scum than town... not sure why a non game related thing sold 2 of you on salsa being town...

[Andante]

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Ah yes, 2 of yall called it town, that's why it stuck with me, like, if anything, I've had more meltdowns as scum than town... not sure why a non game related thing sold 2 of you on salsa being town...

are you scum reading both of them?

I'm saying I'm a little sus of them, it's too early to have genuine reads when everyone has just been posting whatever

[Andante]

I am not impressed with RMHs entrance as there are an overabundance of scumreads.

I mean, he scumread me for a meme vote on the first page of the game... something feels off abot him. I get he just subbed in, but like, being overly critical of posts this early?? it's like he's trying to find the easiest pushes tbh

[Andante]

to elaborate on #293

the vibe I get from Robert is like, he's coming into the game like "I want to SR these people, so this is how I read them" cause literally nothing I posted the other day was alignment indicative... I did no scumhunting, nothing. I was like "haha throw vote around"

[Andante]

If you're going to read through and push everyone as scum, or try to find the easiest pushes, rather than go "can I see town saying this?" I feel like you're making reads from a maf pov. Maf doesn't care to find other maf. and there's 0 incentive for them to scumhunt/ bus their partners, I'll put my vote here until Robert clears stuff up, but I don't like his entrance at all

VOTE: Robert

[Andante]

what exactly is it about me that gives you bad vibes? the fact I'm actually going to try and find scum?

[Andante]

If you're going to read through and push everyone as scum, or try to find the easiest pushes, rather than go "can I see town saying this?" I feel like you're making reads from a maf pov. Maf doesn't care to find other maf. and there's 0 incentive for them to scumhunt/ bus their partners, I'll put my vote here until Robert clears stuff up, but I don't like his entrance at all

VOTE: Robert

I don't disagree with the entrace, but wouldn't I be the easier push here? I'm not sure what logic shows you to be an easy push?
So Robert's post just looks to me that he read a few pages, picked up a few posts and said, X, Y, and Z.

The reads are just convenient rather than easy.
But I'm interested in the follow up. Remember, having a lot of scum reads is'nt bad. Not sorting them is.

Having terrible reasons for any SRs is what is bad to me, I don't care how many you have, but SRing my very first post of this game? when I was literally joking around with those there? a terrible reason to sr me.

[Andante]

Having terrible reasons for any SRs is what is bad to me, I don't care how many you have, but SRing my very first post of this game? when I was literally joking around with those there? a terrible reason to sr me.

Having terrible reasons for town reads is just as bad.
Do you agree with any of the reasons Robert gave for his town reads?

Oh I think his TR reasons are terrible, I understand he just entered, but I honestly feel it's too many TRs for so early in the game

[Andante]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

yeah they're genuine... you don't think so? sorry can't help you then

[Andante]

VOTE: Andante

for the Robert reaction

lmao that's all? I'm genuinely your top fos? with all that has happened? Me not liking Robert's entrance is why you actually think I'm scum?

[Andante]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

yeah that's fair

can you put your finger on anything

it's just weird. she lazily tosses out a scum read, then later says it's too early to scum read. she says she's sus of two people due to responding to salsa's reaction, but doesn't pursue either, and instead goes the OMGUS route. it seems pretty clear she did not like being targeted by Robert, but the question remains is all this nervous energy she has because she's caught scum or because she just doesn't like being targeted?

I didn't lazily toss anything out, I tossed out something that I didn't think was TR worthy that 2 people called towny, and apparently I'm the only one who finds getting genuinely angry about a game NAI

[Andante]

> is all this nervous energy she has because she's caught scum or because she just doesn't like being targeted?

You add that 2nd part so yall can flip me, and when I'm town you can just go "haha see, she was bad, not my fault we wasted a ml"

[Andante]

*miselim not ml sorry

[Andante]

I'm really liking Insideous, maf has 0 reason to step in going "hey she could be town" right now and uhh I guess you could call 2057 completed? I subbed in then got killed later lol

[Andante]

Serious question though, why is Osuka trying to control the game?

[Andante]

like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

yeah that's fair

can you put your finger on anything

it's just weird. she lazily tosses out a scum read, then later says it's too early to scum read. she says she's sus of two people due to responding to salsa's reaction, but doesn't pursue either, and instead goes the OMGUS route. it seems pretty clear she did not like being targeted by Robert, but the question remains is all this nervous energy she has because she's caught scum or because she just doesn't like being targeted?

before the last couple of posts i would have said the latter but jaysus. i wouldn't expect even noobtown to get this scared and desperate this quickly

@andante what about my defense of you makes you so confident i'm not scum? from your perspective, even if you assume you're town, i could still be trying to pocket you. from an outside perspective this just makes you look like my scumbuddy i'm trying to defend

I mean, I'm not 100% sure, but considering how my reads go out the window as I start panicking that people fos me for no good reason?? I mean, I know I'm town, and I'd prefer if people left me alone while I got reads rather than me going "ah crap, guys I'm not scum and I know I'm not, but let me direct all attention to this" so in this situation, I would say you're town or scum who knows I'm not scum trying to pocket as you said, (town or scum wow I know...) but htere I kinda liked the timing of you stepping in, I mean, why would maf even care to pocket me? None of you know me, don't know much about me, I feel like you'd pocket one of your buddies over me, but idk, I mean, you're not a town lock yet, just leaning town, just like I had 2 leaning scum, and I think I'm still voting Rob, Robert ignored me when he came back, answered everyone else, so whatever

[Andante]

A large portion of the posts you've made have been regarding how high of an opinion you hold of yourself and the low opinion you hold of other players.

I mean, I don't take him seriously and ignore him, and that's been working out

[Andante]

Robert... hello, nice to meet you. I was literally joking with my first post of the game?? and you're trying to say I was serious?? excuse me??

you seem very precise?? in the way you always use?? two question marks?? no??

haha I mean, it just happened I literally didn't even notice lmao, I know I do the ... a lot and apparently that "makes me look like nervous scum" but it's how I type lol

[Andante]

My thoughts on this game right now... are complicated. I have a job interview in a bit and after that I'm gonna sit down and organize thoughts on everyone, I didn't realize how fast this would get this chaotic lol

[Andante]

whelp. interview went well!! its been a long day lmao had real life stuff to attend to, I'll try to get around to ISOs on all of yall tomorrow morning, there's like 3 more pages from when I was last here. rip

[Andante]

if I'm being completely honest, I wrote down the 13 names this morning, and called it a day... lmao, there's a lot of cool names in this bunch, lots of A's too, and if I'm being completely honest, I don't recall anything specific from anyone, which means I'd actually have to ISO people... I was joking about 13 ISOs lmao, I'm just gonna catch up real quick though

[Andante]

did insidious just ignore the fact he ever voted me or i voted him and go on to flay pawniard?

nope, i addressed your vote on me in 403. pawns' (continued) hostility and caginess about sharing his opinions/naming names is much more scummy to me than a possible diversion tactic early D1. would still like to know what you thought you were accomplishing, though

i agree with your point in 515 that an "i forgot" seems slightly more likely to come from town in this scenario than scum, but not by a lot. i don't think that alone would be enough for me to base a townread off of.

This feels to me like pawn and lemons are not partners. lmaoo very helpful contribution from me I know

[Andante]

And after that thing I quoted, I really don't wanna get Andres/Anya today, I love #520 from Andres, sounds like genuine frustrated town, and reminds me of how I react when people are pushing for no logical reason. Then immediately after that, #521, I just like that line from Anya

[Andante]

if I'm being completely honest, I wrote down the 13 names this morning, and called it a day... lmao, there's a lot of cool names in this bunch, lots of A's too, and if I'm being completely honest, I don't recall anything specific from anyone, which means I'd actually have to ISO people... I was joking about 13 ISOs lmao, I'm just gonna catch up real quick though

you do realize we have a limited amount of time here right

I'm well aware, I'm just not gonna do what I initially wanted, just relax, I'll find someone tonight I'm cool with voting out

[Andante]

On page 22,
I'm leaning Pawn town, like, 545, 547, 548 are just random lines, and we're not at the random phase of the game so that feels towny to me.

Lemons is town

Asteria/Dragons feel sus

[Andante]

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

????????????

do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

This feels like scum to me. "I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset" like, it's a weird response to the lines quoted idk

[Andante]

And Green Crayons is town

[Andante]

VOTE: Asteria

this is 1 scum

[Andante]

Townlean:
Salsabil Faria - I found 67 to be quite safe but then the reaction felt genuine and more likely of town (although I don't have meta).

This feels very weak to me, based on the other "reads" in this post, if you look at that specific post, #67, it's literally just salsa saying random stuff, what part of #67 is a genuine reaction??

[Andante]

yep. lemons town. glad I got that right.

[Andante]

ok... lmao I just read Lemon's thing on me... yall really think I'm a super noob? damnnn I have experience with chat mafia, not quite the same thing though lol I'm trying!! I really am!! I'll also try harder to condense these posts... sounds like you prefer the paragraphs

[Andante]

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

????????????

do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

This feels like scum to me. "I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset" like, it's a weird response to the lines quoted idk

That's fair, just trying to show my thought process for the read though

idk fam, like, "Save the Dragons and I have very similar reads overall" I don't see why that was worth even pointing out though, like, as far as I can tell, no one is really outing solid reads?? idk

[Andante]

Townlean:
Salsabil Faria - I found 67 to be quite safe but then the reaction felt genuine and more likely of town (although I don't have meta).

This feels very weak to me, based on the other "reads" in this post, if you look at that specific post, #67, it's literally just salsa saying random stuff, what part of #67 is a genuine reaction??

Most of what she said had already been said and she was just repeating. The reaction I'm referring to is the reaction to osuka

... talking about color using to post felt genuine?? and that was enough to mark salsa as a town lean??? bruh.. that's not even game related though, like, I generally townlean for tone, and town lock for scumhunting efforts I like, salsa hasn't done anything related to the game, their last lines were them getting mad, which could be either alignment, I'd say null at best?? but hey we're all entitled to our own reads, and I'm not gonna fight you on it

[Andante]

woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious

We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)

[Andante]

woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious

We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)

this game is going to make me lose my mind. the longer i stare at this post the more i begin to think it's one of the most telling things andante has posted this whole game. what actual reason does town have to post this?

you don't like my lines? wooow I was just joking with Anya? Are you trying to say I can't have a little fun? that's suspicious... that's weird...

[Andante]

so I have determined. there's not a scum read I'm super confident in at this point in time.
Also, I love the game advancing content rule, it annoys me when people just go "hi I'm here" and that counts

I think it was crayons or dragon I was feeling was weird, idk. I don't even remember what I told yall last night, should probably start there I know I said Asteria felt off, ahhhh if someone has a confident sr, please out it

[Andante]

Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
Save The Dragons - Sus
Green Crayons - Town
Asteria – Sus
PawnsGambit – leaning town
VFP –
Haschel Cedricson –
Salsabil Faria –
Osuka –
Robert M Hunter -


Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at

[Andante]

@andres what is your claim? night 0 cop?

Lemons, I could do the same right back at you, what reason does town have to post this? What if Andres took it as you were actually asking them to claim? no reason for town to care about claims 30 posts into the game

[Andante]

@Dragon, I'll elaborate on you,
It's lines like these, they have no content to them... your cat thing feels so weird, and like "you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote" for context this came immediately after you voted me. None of your lines feel like you're trying to find scum.

do you just hate cats?

you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote

so i'm wondering if you're just allergic to cats or something i dunno

These VFP lines, you're implying VFP is your TR, and you don't understand why someone SRs them. Why not give why you think VFP is town? engage in a conversation about it, give the side you see, compare notes, etc. Like, reading your ISO, most lines are just responding to osuka, or lines like this, that seem to be going in no direction. You throw out questions like this, never return to them to follow up!!! It literally feels like maf to me, reading more into you here, I'd move you from sus to scum tbh. Town that's trying to find scum would ask relevant questions, then return to them, if you out a tr/sr, doesn't it make sense to talk to someone who's outing an opposite read from you?? idk, it feels like you're trying to go no where with all your posts.

why exactly did you think VFP was scummy again?

do you have anything else on VFP?

looking at #354 (idk if this link works.... testing..)
looking at #354, osuka is like "what's your thought on this" and you pretty much go "idk, I tr you" like, changing the topic, your lines feel really weird to me, and I'm not entirely sure why you feel so off...


There you go, hope this helps.

[Andante]

OMG I FIGURED OUT HOW TO LINK POSTS!!!! gg guys!

[Andante]

Salsa, right off the bat, you entering here... is you reacting to something... "yall sr this, but..." quite honestly, I don't care, I'd love to see some actual reads on everyone

[Andante]

the "votes that make no sense" are literally in the random voting phase... I'd recommend you just read the whole game before posting stuff... cause right now, you're only convincing me to vote you...

[Andante]

VOTE: Salsabil

I'm just gonna put this down for now.

I really don't care for a summary of the game up till now (idk if anyone else does) I would prefer like a reads list, names and alignments, then just ellaborate why.... like, being completely honest, you feel like panicked scum entering here, and if you're town, sorry, I'm just saying it as it. like, there's no way you genuinely SR "the conversation between PawnsGambit and Anya on page 6 " I literally laughed at it... people having a good time...

what's up with all the "no fun allowed!!!" this game lmao

[Andante]

uh oh... hi pooky

[Andante]

Also, salsa. tell me, what about my reads is bad? you can't just sit there and say I have bad reads.

[Andante]

I stand by wanting salsa out today.

[Andante]

Fun fact, pooky has been a part of every single game I've been in on this site... but that's not really helpful info XD

[Andante]

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]: VFP, InsidiousLemons, Salsabil Faria

Insolent fools

I give you 24 hours to apologize and unvote before I annihilate you

Ayy salsa is there!!

[Andante]

Pooky might actually be scum here

lmao Anya keeps making me laugh

[Andante]

Excuse me lemons?? I've definitely been playing for town... I've actually put a lot of work into this

[Andante]

I'm here for gandalf vs bear

[Andante]

my gut may be actually broken because despite everything it still wants andante to be noobtown. i don't care. if we are going to win this thing you need to actually play the game in a way that benefits town.

VOTE: Andante

I think you'd tr me if you stopped looking at me through a conf scum pov.. just saying

[Andante]

GREETINGS IT IS I ANCALAGON THE BLACK

LET US PREY UPON THE ANDANTES OF THIS WORLD, FALSE DRAGONS WHO COWER BEFORE CATS

RAWWR

you want to prey upon a dragon? doesn't your name.... imply saving them...

[Andante]

VOTE: Salsabil

I'm just gonna put this down for now.

I really don't care for a summary of the game up till now (idk if anyone else does) I would prefer like a reads list, names and alignments, then just ellaborate why.... like, being completely honest, you feel like panicked scum entering here, and if you're town, sorry, I'm just saying it as it. like, there's no way you genuinely SR "the conversation between PawnsGambit and Anya on page 6 " I literally laughed at it... people having a good time...

what's up with all the "no fun allowed!!!" this game lmao

i like the way salsa came back after quitting from frustration earlier to force herself to effort

it feels like annoyed townie who's in the right whenever she calls out people wolfreading her

haschel might be dejected wolf who can't find his slippers so has to feel the cold hard floor underneath his feet and isn't comfortable yet

mmmk Lemons recently has been striking a nerve with me, I'm not convinced salsa is town, but at this point, I can't read lemons without wanting to just vote him right now... his "reads" on me make 0 sense, and everything he says is like a matter of fact... no emotion... idk I'm just genuinely getting frustrated by this game now

[Andante]

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

[Andante]

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

[Andante]

haha I won't actually claim!!! dw. I'll get voted out before I do claim

[Andante]

cause if I'm voted out, yall clearly don't want me. whelp. I want the votes off me when I'm back, thanks. if they're not, idk, I'm down for a salsa or lemons elim tbh, wait whoever I was voting last night is also a good one, they also had bad lines

[Andante]

Asteria!! that's the other one


and Lemons, yes, you're very detached from the game, kinda just looking at/saying facts, stuff maf would do

[Andante]

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

Andante

join me in hunting down Anya and her band of do-gooders.

no I'm loving Anya, Pooky, unlike you, I have 4 votes on me, I can't really afford to pointlessly vote someone I tr

[Andante]

my gut may be actually broken because despite everything it still wants andante to be noobtown. i don't care. if we are going to win this thing you need to actually play the game in a way that benefits town.

VOTE: Andante

I think you'd tr me if you stopped looking at me through a conf scum pov.. just saying

i've literally been townreading you on gut this entire game. i have given you the benefit of the doubt at every turn. i think i'd tr you if you gave me a reason to believe you want us to win this game

mhm... cause that reason has been "oh andante noob!!! noob town!!" I've had some great lines, which apparently you didn't care for. I don't care. I'm taking a break

[Andante]

are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

If he's scum, no he's not... but if he's town, I'm sure he'll give something soon

[Andante]

Lemons, it's called I typed the next one before seeing her posts... genius

[Andante]

andante do you really intend to just nope out of this thread until the pressure is off you?

yes. yes I do.

[Andante]

and osuka, this is professional hour!!

[Andante]

andante how do you handle pressure in chat mafia (you're the one who said you played that, right?)

haha that's easier cause I now the game is like 20 minutes long, and after that I can just stop playing... this?? it's like IRL days/weeks of pressure lol I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

[Andante]

tbh if osuka and pooky were scum partners, I feel like they'd be having the time of their lives based on their personalities lol

[Andante]

I hate pressure, I break under it too, take it more as a joke as scum

can you expand on this? how do you think your reaction to pressure differs as scum?

uhhh not really, too hard to explain, I'm gonna go play in the snow (we have a snow storm right now) and when I'm back I'm ISOing Haschel, and if he's been here for 5 days with no content, I'm voting him, would rather keep people who try.

[Andante]

Dragons is scum. I'm pretty certain there

[Andante]

VOTE: lemons

I thought I flipped it last... oops

[Andante]

I feel like scum are trying to hide behind humour at this stage of the game.

What kind of line is this?? lmaooo

[Andante]

bruh. it's ben 24 hours, I'm literally just yalls low hanging fruit, do yall plan on actually finding scum or is the plan to vote me, have me flip green, then go "andante was just bad" like, I'm not flipping red

[Andante]

pooky is not hard to read, he brings entertainment to the game, fun to play with, gonna be way easier to read than those not posting

I tried finding Haschel's ISO, idk what page he last posted on, I just remember him getting prodded a bunch and entering going "sorry work" like, and I remember seeing it twice, and I've seen nothing else from him.

[Andante]

pooky, is robert a servant of darkness or one of the fellows in the fellowship

This line is literally coming from scum

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Andante]

@Save The Dragons, why do you think Andante isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

i'm actually giving her some credit for her chat mafia experience here. she could be noob-town but there's a lot going against her

- overreacting to getting targeted
- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned
- her confusing scum reads (seems to think i'm confscum but is voting lemons and i'm not sure what the case against lemons is)
- gut read on the slot

if it were just one of these things i might be just a little wary, but all of them in conjunction are bothering me enough to think she might be scum here.

pedit looks like i got voted

your reaction when I flip green is literally going to be "yeah she's noob, guess I should've expected her to act like that as town" like, you have 0 confidence I'm scum. your "reasons" I'm scum have nothing to do with the actual lines I've said.

- overreaction to getting targeted

* so what? who literally cares how I react to anything? look at my lines instead. I hate pressure, not my fault, can't help it. I've almost never had pressure on me cause I can towntell so well

- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned

* ok, so what? my reaction to votes on me. I don't think I've really ATE'd much this game, want me to just sit here going "guys I'm bad! take it easy on me!!!" cause I'm not doing that, I know I'm not complete trash at this, and my main goal is trying to figure out who is scum and who is annoying town right now.

- her confusing scum reads (seems to think i'm confscum but is voting lemons and i'm not sure what the case against lemons is)

* My confusing scumreads? I've given reasons for everything, and you're more than welcome to ask me about a vote/specific read. You'd rather avoid asking me questions, and just go "so confusing"?? Cause that feels real towny to me..

- gut read on the slot

gut read? I've been trying real hard to find scum, this feels like you putting words down to make your post seem longer to try and intimidate me... Why would any of us here care about a gut read, when your only argument for me is "her reads confuse me, she over reacts, and this is what my gut says" If you're playing this on your gut read, and giving me 0 credit this game, going "she could be noob-town" to set up for me flipping town, trying to discredit anything I say, if anything, this makes me feel more like I'm on the right track.


I'm not claiming to be a professional scumhunter, but let me say, I'm far from bad. And I know you fail to see it, but I quite honestly do. not. care. If you can't actually articulate a read/ give examples of posts, what makes you think your gut is right?? like, nothing you said against me is even relevant without links to posts, so if you wanna go, let's go, I'd love to hear more on how noob/bad I am.


I look forward to your response!
- Andante

[Andante]

my problem with pooky is that i'm expecting some content from the slot even through the RPing.

To kill two birds with one stone, Andante, i'm assuming that the darkness is Pooky's reads on town and the good characters are Pooky's reads on scum. So me asking about Robert is trying to figure out whether Pooky thinks robert is scum or not. but i'm not sure if his reads are just arbitrary or if he's actually bothered to play the game yet.

From every game I've played with Pooky, that stuff is how he plays. Why would scum enter the game going "YES IM SCUM" or whatever?? I liked one of Pawn's lines towards the end too, like right before he subbed out.

I think I am low hanging fruit tbh. You have a little different personality and a few people line up like wolves. Not the majority though.

I genuinely felt that line, like on a personal level, like right now I'm definitely feeling like the LHF, it's very discouraging, and gives some really strong town points to Pooky, like, I'm not voting him out today, not sure why all yall are like "OMG POOKY!!! I can't read him!!!" ummm he's way easier to read than a handful of you

[Andante]

but hey, this whole game is "amateur hour" and Andante is "noob scum" unless they happen to be "noob town"

One of the biggest things you want from a flip is some sort of info after the flip, and the way this is going, you flip me, they everyone throws hands up in the air going "yeah that wasn't on me!!!"

Someone who's voting me, please share why you are genuinely confident I'm flipping scum. I would love to hear.

[Andante]

Why would scum enter the game going "YES IM SCUM"

I thought it was modkillable to pretend to play against your wincon???

Could be argued as wifom

[Andante]

ehhh yolo I'm kinda claiming, and it's as much of a claim as people are going to get from me, I have votes on me, and it looks like no one actually thinks I'm town.


I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.


That's all I'll give, but based on how in and out I am, I'll just leave it at this. As I said before, it doesn't matter what I claim, or if I claim. if after that giant speech I gave, Dragon, you fail to even consider for a second I'm town putting forth that much effort... I can't help yall. Dragon literally has to be scum, I feel like town would have considered an Andante town world, ESPECIALLY when your entire argument rides on the fact I'm a "noob"

[Andante]

i'd like to state for the record i don't think you're bad at this game, i have never said that nor will i ever. it's not how i play.

- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned

* ok, so what? my reaction to votes on me. I don't think I've really ATE'd much this game, want me to just sit here going "guys I'm bad! take it easy on me!!!" cause I'm not doing that, I know I'm not complete trash at this, and my main goal is trying to figure out who is scum and who is annoying town right now.

you're using AtE right now, saying woe is me. it's not about being bad or good. you actually successfully utilized AtE to get Robert to believe you are town.

example:

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

now i get this can come from frustrated town. but the fact that it got someone off of you raises my hackles a little bit. on its own it doesn't mean much but in conjunction with the rest of my points it leads me to believe you rolled scum.

... how the heck is that ate?? I was pissed off IRL, told yall I was just gonna go away instead of throwing out personal attacks. I wasn't trying to appeal to anyone's emotions.

You are literally REACHING for every "reason" I can be scum... and you know you're reaching too. again, setting up for my town flip, cause you know I'm flipping town. "this can come from frustrated town"


I'm done conversing with you, this is literally going no where.
@anyone who is town, if you can't see why dragon is scum from this exchange this morning. whatever

[Andante]

no. I'm literally over this. you didn't think for a second I could be town based on my response?

[Andante]

If I were in your shoes, I'd have been like, give me a second, could this come from town? and I just locked into this conf bias pov... no, you continued to reach for stuff against me

[Andante]

If I were in your shoes, I'd have been like, give me a second, could this come from town? am I just locked into this conf bias pov... no, you continued to reach for stuff against me

sorry, it should read like that.. I need to proofread.. well I actually need to step away lmao this is literally an online game, shouldn't be pissing me off IRL

[Andante]

ok, thank you for being nicer.

haha scum who knows exactly what I'm doing? oh how I wish I could link one of my scum forum games, but it's a different site that I no longer have access to (rip epicmafia lol)

and I keep seeing it, cause I know I'm town, and I've genuinely been trying. I'm gonna do one of my quick strats real quick (not gonna be quick at all lmao)

also "no one should be 100% confident anyone is scum." that's not how I really play lmao I get 100% confident... and it's a tunnel from there, and I'm never wrong lol so until I'm wrong, I keep that ego held high of my votes this game, I'd have to say only this recent vote is where gut told me to go, Lemons feels very weird still, I'll probably look into past games to see if this is how they play, I'm still convinced Lemons is scum, has TMI and playing too matter of fact-ly

[Andante]

My only thing is it's like, I feel like I'm contributing a lot more effort than a handful of people here.

lol my role is definitely informed, I have info, but hey, we wanna vote me out, guess we don't want the info (and no I will not be outing it)

[Andante]

STD suggesting I fell for Andante's AtE struck me as scummy.

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks this.

why is it scummy?

Considering Robert's most recent line about pooky's wifom... yet saying that? actually... thanks for bringing this up!!!

Why would scum enter the game going "YES IM SCUM"

I thought it was modkillable to pretend to play against your wincon???

ok at these 2 lines from Robert... Something feels really off here, like, this line is almost just straight up dumbtelling (Robert conveniently disappeared after the question) and the first line in #883 is far from being clueless. Which has me thinking one of 2 things
*#883, someone said something about that in scum chat, so Robert was like "ok, I'll call it out", and #895 is just Robert genuinely being confused
*Other option I'm thinking, Robert was genuine in #883 then purposely dumbtold in #895

but I'm not seeing these 2 posts coming from a town scumhunting pov

[Andante]

I'm gonna flip to Robert for now

VOTE: Robert


Like, those lines, just feel VERY off to me

[Andante]

oh I completely ignored your question to me lmao sorry I had a train of thought, and acted on it. it looks like Robert was calling you the scummy one there? for saying he fell for my ate? but idk what that "ate" was. Sorry if I do it, I don't really try to use it, just happens

[Andante]

osuka why are you letting the lurkers slide?

haha this line made me chuckle. I'm note really liking Robert's ISO, like, he's picking and choosing when he talks here, sure he entered late due to the sub thing, but only 20 posts? he entered with a reads list, the rest of his lines? ehhh

[Andante]

I am caught up, I read regularly even though sometimes I do not post.

It's entirely my fault, but I have yet to interact with players directly, which is my favored method for evaluating alignments.

Did I miss a

GLADIATE: Bob Hunter

somewhere in Pawn's iso?

favorite method for reading is interacting with people? when all of your lines say otherwise... like, you say stuff on people, but it's just observations, I don't see anywhere where you try to initiate an interaction...

[Andante]

It's like, posts like this. Sure they're nice and all for "looking towny" but if you follow them up with no posts?? and bad ones too...

Lets go through this post together (it's in a spoiler cause it's so long)


* "Andante is scum that's salty osuka is controlling the game. I keep my sr"
- Of all my lines, that one is in no way alignment indicative, I was commenting on osuka posting so much, so it's a weird one of what I posted to call out, but lets continue!


*"The more Anya posts the scummier she gets"
- Could have linked a specific post? Especially if you felt her ISO felt to you "like someone spinning her heels" Personally, I felt like Anya's lines have gotten better and better as the game went on, but hey we can all have our own reads, What robert says here feels like he put 0 effort to "reading" Anya that aside, lets keep going!!


*"I like Asteria"
- Now, Asteria is a weird one for me, her lines have felt very weird, again, Robert could link an example he likes? especially if he wanted to link a post for me? Come on dude. If you strongly TR someone, you should be doing more to convince us that TR is town...


*"Crayons has a hidden agenda"
- Ok, what makes you feel that way??


*"Haschel is a top SR with Andante"
- How on earth was I ever on the exact same level as Haschel?? Like, I'm the only sr you wanna give posts for?? come on, give a REASON for the sr... I know.. Crazy to ask for a reason for a sr.


*"Lemons is going after the LHF, I am not comfortable reading this slot today"
- Um.. what? I'm not saying we have to read everyone today, but like, you referenced Crayons having a "hidden agenda" and it sure looks like your hidden aganda is getting me, Andante, out... You should be open to looking at all slots this early in the game...


*"osuka is entertaining, I won't vote him no matter what"
- great "finding scum" mindset. It's so easy for scum to stick to theater mode...


*"Pawn is the LHF here, get off him"
- I think this was a genuine TMI slip if I'm being completely honest. Looks like Robert was trying to win town points from Pawn, at a time multiple people were sus of Pawn.


*"I can't out a read on salsa or I get modkilled"
- excuse me? for some of the people above you were simply like "town/scum" yet can't even do that with salsa? interesting...


*"Dragons is town"
- Like, you go from saying, I can't out a read without getting modkilled to simply calling him town...





Like, this is just one example, long posts do not automatically make someone town. Sure I skimmed it before cause I hate reading long posts, and I DOUBT any of yall will read this, but it's like, if you actually look at his lines.... Robert's lines are so bad.... they have to come from scum.

Spoiler:

Serious question though, why is Osuka trying to control the game?

When I read this, my mind immediately jumped to the possibility of

Andante

-scum being salty about osuka controlling the game. My scum read on this player slot remains unchanged.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

I still very much like

Asteria

's pointed and fearless presence.

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

Haschel

is still pretty bad, with the lurking and the no-follow-up idle questions. Along with

Andante

, a top scum read.

I do like

Insidious Lemons

' boldness but there is a case to be made that he could be scum going after the low-hanging fruit. I am not comfortable reading this slot today.

I am so entertained by

osuka

's posts that I would resist voting him even if he confessed.

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

My town read of

VFB

is unchanged.

KITTENS
Robert M Hunter MaxTheFox
osuka
Asteria
Anya
VFP
PawnsGambit
Save The Dragons

AMBIGUOUS
InsidiousLemons

SCUMMY RODENTS
Andante
Andresvmb
Haschel Cedricson
Salsabil Faria
Green Crayons

[Andante]

That's the longest post I have ever made lmaooo

[Andante]

I know yall don't wanna read, but like, I'm currently like 99% sure Robert is flipping scum, so if you think Robert is town, I'd love to hear it. Robert, if you're town, sorry, but I don't think you could convince me not to vote you here, unless you had some valid effort to find scum? but chilling on the Andante wagon won't help me flip lmao

[Andante]

Dang, sorry about the little outburst this morning Dragons :/ but thanks to your help!!! I think we found one

[Andante]

Reading Andante makes me just want to vote them.
But they are voting Robert so I'm happy there.

Please share what it was that I said that makes you want to vote me. Looking back, to me it looks like my logical progression of a read. From something I didn't like that Dragon was saying about me being scum, to a read on Robert where he went from calling out an ate thing to a wifom question...

[Andante]

It's just your posting. The first thing I get drawn to from is something defensive or something just focusing or comments against you involving AtE / New / N00b / LHF etc.
It's as if you want these points to be a high focus in the game concerning you. Possibly trying to play it off as something that should be town read.

But as I said, you voted well.
927

Alright, well that's just my playstyle lol and I'm pretty sure I'm keeping my vote here today tbh

[Andante]

I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.

Yes that obvious but i was trying to be discrete.

It must have been obvious to STD, too.

STD IS SCUM.

lol whut

lmao I had that same reaction, not sure that saying it's obvious I was a pr is a towny line?? but if it was obvious, why were you voting me? don't you not wanna vote out PRs??


also I'm not sure I like calling Dragons std...

[Andante]

are you going to answer any of the fifteen billion questions i asked you kitty

he's frozen scum lmao. after reading what I said, he doesn't know how to respond. thus he decided to talk about my "claim" instead of anything adressed

[Andante]

I mean, salsa, sorry not sorry, it's not really my fault I ignore questions in giant posts, I skim giant posts.


> How many forum mafia games you played before?

well we have this one and 2 newbie ones. I subbed into 2057, and subbed out of 2059 (still going) and basically played 1 day of each. 2057 I subbed into a town role, had pretty spot on reads, got night killed. and I can't discuss 2059 and that's all the forum maf I've played, I used to play chat maf, where days were like 10 minutes

[Andante]

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

I thought those were pretty strong hints.

In the initial post of the game we were told that mafia for sure has a doctor.... and the fact you didn't realize that means you didn't read it, and that further supports you being scum, just saying... Cause I know town would actually read the paragraph about what this setup is.

[Andante]

It's literally highlighted in red under setup information, and if you weren't aware of that???

I was clearly making a joke about being that maf doc, or did you think I was softing the town version of your role? Who cares what I say, I can literally still be VT, yall have no clue, nor will I share

[Andante]

Robert, I'll help you, this should link to the post where I suggest you read the setup info... just sayin #1

[Andante]

nvm, I suck at linking XD that link doesn't work.. it's literally the first post of the game

[Andante]

We're not getting Robert any more? Like, sure I don't tr Dragons, but Robert is bleeding scum here... and the resistance to a Robert elim?? what is going on

[Andante]

We're not getting Robert any more? Like, sure I don't tr Dragons, but Robert is bleeding scum here... and the resistance to a Robert elim?? what is going on

He claimed PR like you, if you get a chance, he should too.

No town tracker enters the game claiming tracker, and tracker isn't for sure town, reading the roles for normal games, tracker falls under "Roles which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:"

(https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game) there's the link if you don't believe me.


Reading his lines, I firmly believe he is scum, there is nothing about him that I found towny, I'm not giving anyone a pass solely for their claim, nor do I expect the same in return

[Andante]

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

I thought those were pretty strong hints.

In the initial post of the game we were told that mafia for sure has a doctor.... and the fact you didn't realize that means you didn't read it, and that further supports you being scum, just saying... Cause I know town would actually read the paragraph about what this setup is.

I knew this but it still sounded to me like a roundabout "hint about being a PR" and "run and hide behind the known role."

Was I wrong about you being a PR?

I'm not a pr no. And why would town even ask me "Was I wrong about you being a PR?"

[Andante]

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

@andante if robert were scum he'd know about the mafia doctor so the fact he doesn't plus his PR claim is enough to put him in the town column for now. could be faking it but it seems genuine.

1. I've played games with pooky before, his entrance is always random like that, I do think he's genuinely trying, and I liked Pawns

2. He just clarified he knew, and I feel like that is info maf isn't constantly thinking about, like they're not constantly thinking about what info we have, they're more "who claimed what, I know A is this,, B is this, and C is this, but town doesn't know what we are"





Guys, just cause someone claims PR doesn't for sure make them town.

[Andante]

All of you are defending Robert for 0 reason. I want 1 reason he is town other than "he gets a pass cause he claimed PR" like, wtf kind of logic is this?? he entered the game claiming tracker, and all of you apparently believe this?

[Andante]

Hey T3, Robert/ Dragons will be the only options for a counterwagon to Pooky here, I mean, I've told them countless times Pooky is town, no one cares, I tell them Robert is scum, "he claimed tracker so we can't get him" but if you look at ANY of his lines, he is literally bleeding scum

[Andante]

Dragons flip from me to Robert to Pooky is interesting though, like I genuinely don't TR dragons, but I'm nnot confident on their flip, I'm pretty confident Robert isn't town

[Andante]

it's not that i believe it, it's that the slot will sort itself out later in the game. if he's a pro town tracker, he's probably going to get killed later and we'll find out. or if he's scum and is still alive later, we can sort it out then. i think there's a better D1 play here.

you think robert is going to be a pro town tracker after instantly claiming it entering the game?

[Andante]

whatever, robert lives 1 more day. he's dead tomorrow, I seriously can't with lines like "he's gonna be pro town" he's the most anti town tracker I met, and the way you've been flipping your vote has been like "I'll get anyone but me"


VOTE: Dragons

[Andante]

We need 2 more votes on dragon lets go! I'm ready for Robert to claim roleblocked tomorrow when he doesn't die... just sayin

[Andante]

Pretty sure STD is scum at this point.

autocorrect

I mean, I can definitely see him flipping scum, he's going wherever the majority goes. Yesterday he was voting me, I cased Robert, he was like "yeah I'll vote Rober too" and now he's on pooky, idk why

[Andante]

green crayons is always a do gooder friend of dragons here btw

could you possibly see vfp bussing dragons here? since he knows dragons is going down... that's another thought I'm kinda having rn

[Andante]

whatever, robert lives 1 more day. he's dead tomorrow, I seriously can't with lines like "he's gonna be pro town" he's the most anti town tracker I met, and the way you've been flipping your vote has been like "I'll get anyone but me"


VOTE: Dragons

if i were scum i'd probably try to push this back on robert to save myself lol

nahh looks like Robert is more powerful scum than you, so you're taking the bullet, cause mafia tracker will tell your 3rd partner info, and you're not the maf doc, so I'm guessing you're just the goon, cause you're not fighting your wagon at all

[Andante]

when I pushed you before, I don't recall you really fighting it then, idk, I feel like town would be opposed to being voted out

[Andante]

what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

Uh Pooky was here for when I went for you yesterday, I didn't tr Haschel so that's one, I told you we are either getting Robert or you today, and you continued to push Pooky, Pawns did pretty well. I tr almost no one here, but I do tr pooky, so pooky stays, and I don't get why you are only focussed on pooky

[Andante]

UNVOTE: dragons

ughh I'm having serious doubts on dragons, and I won't get pooky here, and yall won't get robert. we need to find another scum

[Andante]

what evidence do you have that pooky even took into consideration what happened yesterday

look, I won't get pooky just like yall won't get robert

I'm thinking we need to look in lemons/vfp /T3(Haschel) to see if there's a scum there

[Andante]

Pooky's been playing mafia for longer than I've been alive and I hard tr him so I'm just going to follow unless I can see a convincing case.
pedit: I read most of the game and had a strong scumread against STD for a valid reason.

Please share your STD reason

[Andante]

UNVOTE: dragons

ughh I'm having serious doubts on dragons, and I won't get pooky here, and yall won't get robert. we need to find another scum

Haschel/T3?

do you have a post number for one of Haschel's posts? or the link to his ISO? I couldn't find it either time I went through looking

[Andante]

Pooky, can we try to look outside Dragons for a scum? I don't feel good about a dragons vote

off the top of my head I'm thinking a scum in lemons/vfp /T3(Haschel)

From what I recall of Haschel he seemed a lot like frozen scum

[Andante]

He's clearly a do-gooder tho!

ok, but he's not a solo do-gooder, could you use your skills to find another? his partner? they never work alone!!

[Andante]

He's clearly a do-gooder tho!

*burns a village*

SEE!!! he's also evil!! do-gooders don't burn villages!!

[Andante]

I mean, how do we know you're evil? you're a magical bear, sounds like you do good magic.

[Andante]

ehhh not buying it.. I feel like you're a do-gooder

[Andante]

If Andante is town, she is just ensuring that she isn't the NK at this stage.
I don't think I'll believe that Andante has any other agenda here.

now why is this necessary to out as town?

[Andante]

I literally am the only one trying to find scum here... whatever fck this

VOTE: Robert

[Andante]

ehhh yolo I'm kinda claiming, and it's as much of a claim as people are going to get from me, I have votes on me, and it looks like no one actually thinks I'm town.


I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.


That's all I'll give, but based on how in and out I am, I'll just leave it at this. As I said before, it doesn't matter what I claim, or if I claim. if after that giant speech I gave, Dragon, you fail to even consider for a second I'm town putting forth that much effort... I can't help yall. Dragon literally has to be scum, I feel like town would have considered an Andante town world, ESPECIALLY when your entire argument rides on the fact I'm a "noob"

scummy post. trying to milk "that giant speech" for town points, misrepping dragons' thought process as "must be a noob" when he's clearly stated he's giving you credit for chat experience, etc. once again you are either misrepresenting other people's arguments or just straight up not reading the thread. this sucks

forgot to mention the most important part of this post which was the claim

i agree with whoever said this doesn't really feel like a good strategy from scum, but not sure andante really would have interfaced with partners before doing it considering how emotionally-driven many of their decisions have been up to this point. 910 is clear AtE, and the soft-unclaim makes a lot less sense after stating outright that you have information. if you do have info from N0, you must have submitted your night action real quick to get it in before most players confirmed. isn't it usual for games with N0 roles to have... a N0?

I didn't have a N0 meeting, I have other info, and that other info has me thinking Robert is almost surely fake, but I won't say more. I just don't think he's a town tracker

[Andante]

Dragons and Pooky are town, they're literally a town v town case

[Andante]

Dragons and Pooky are town, they're literally a town v town case

not sure why I am the only one who sees it as town tunneling town.

[Andante]

I crumbed my role in my first post.

Crumbing isn't really viable in my opinion if you claim it the same day you crumbed. Crumbing is for the long term. Anyone can crumb something in their first post and then use that the second there's a decent wagon on them

agree with this point

I feel like this also supports him being a mafia tracker, cause lets face it, if he's with town, we're in trouble, lots of trouble. But I read through his posts and I really do not feel like he's towny

[Andante]

Wait, quick question, do we for sure know 3 maf? or is it 2? unknown? what? this will mess with what I know (I'm not trying to dumbtell, serious question!!) I read and read, but yeah I'm assuming 3 cause 13

[Andante]

I just don't think it's smart to eliminate a claimed tracker D1. And I also think his scum partners would've 1) helped with a better crumb, and 2) told him not to claim at E-2 or whatever it was

I am telling you right now, if there is 3 maf, he is not a town tracker

[Andante]

I'm thinking about just claiming with everything I know at this point, cause I think my role is super obvious to those of you who are good at this, and yall might also be able to help a bit...

[Andante]

is 2 maf and a traitor a possibility?

[Andante]

Yeah give me a second, I uhhh have my role super confused, and I may have went down this path for 0 reason :/

[Andante]

is 2 maf and a traitor a valid alternative to 3 maf? it's a serious question here, and do traitors know the maf?

[Andante]

haha I won't actually claim!!! dw. I'll get voted out before I do claim

one last point, reading back -- is this a scum slip? "i'll get voted out before i claim" implies andante wouldn't claim until they are actually eliminated. is there ever town motivation for withholding a claim until the hammer is dropped? on second reading this could almost feel like reassurance to a scumpartner, but i don't feel comfortable calling anya scum yet. still, this association is definitely worth revisiting if one of them flips.

Do you townread

Anya

? If so, why?

i've had her as a slight townread for a while now, but several hundred posts have gone by now with nothing of substance from her. this much active lurking is never town indicative

I mean, she told me to not claim, and I kinda liked that

[Andante]

update: I think we're dealing with a traitor in this, idk how that affects anything lol

[Andante]

I answered my own questions about a traitor...

*knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
*identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
*is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead

[Andante]

this has me feeling like Pooky is just blatantly claiming traitor,


... and uhhh Robert might be real....

[Andante]

SAURON IS NO TRAITOR

SAURON IS DARK LORD

"it should not be difficult for the Traitor to distinguish themselves to the scum. Just do something outrageously scummy or eye-catching for them."

this would explain your actions lmao

[Andante]

Sorry pooky, but I think I have to vote you here lmao

[Andante]

and since traitor knows the maf, I would bet Dragons is not maf

[Andante]

VOTE: Pooky

[Andante]

Pooky is just traitor, like, it's as simple as that tbh. and it makes a lot of sense tbh, since he knows scum, and scum doesn't know him, if he just runs the show, he's telling scum who he is, and they already know there's a traitor, which they're trying to find, he's the only one being outright scummy

[Andante]

Pooky is just traitor, like, it's as simple as that tbh. and it makes a lot of sense tbh, since he knows scum, and scum doesn't know him, if he just runs the show, he's telling scum who he is, and they already know there's a traitor, which they're trying to find, he's the only one being outright scummy

[Andante]

@andante you may be falling too deeply into basing reads off of setup spec here. wanna just fullclaim so we can know what makes you so confident there's a traitor and based on what "info"?

I can't claim yet, I need a question answered, but look, just think about it. Pooky could 100% be traitor in this, I think that'd describe everything

[Andante]

Hey Pooky, am I on the right track? I'm on my way to your partners too now right?

[Andante]

Wait a second.... is lemons your partner?? gg gottem

[Andante]

It's comments like that. I don't believe that you actually believe to be the sole player in this game looking for scum.
What happens if Robert flips TPR here?

^ andante have you responded to this yet

I haven't responded to a lot of random things this game, but once I have an answer to my question we'll be a bit better, trust me, if I just flat out claimed you'd understand how I saw a 0% chance he's a town tracker

[Andante]

update: I think we're dealing with a traitor in this, idk how that affects anything lol

okay so why are you so convinced that there's a traitor? we have several town pr claims and you're saying mafia has a traitor? what do you know that i dont?

I know a lot more, but outing my actual info might help maf more than town, ahhhhhh

[Andante]

UNVOTE: Pooky

I want my question answered first, cause if he's not traitor, he's not scum, so 1 sec

[Andante]

lmao you're only here when I mention you being a traitor... who have you betrayed?

[Andante]

It's comments like that. I don't believe that you actually believe to be the sole player in this game looking for scum.
What happens if Robert flips TPR here?

^ andante have you responded to this yet

I haven't responded to a lot of random things this game, but once I have an answer to my question we'll be a bit better, trust me, if I just flat out claimed you'd understand how I saw a 0% chance he's a town tracker

okay so i'm not asking you to claim. in fact, i'm gonna ask you right now not to claim at this moment

but please elaborate on why you think that p=0 for a town tracker in this game

I realized I'm actually uncertain, cause I thought 1 thing, but I'm asking a clarifying question, ahhhhhhh I've paused all thoughts till I hear back

[Andante]

lmao you're only here when I mention you being a traitor... who have you betrayed?

rofl you're ridiculous

<3

[Andante]

It's comments like that. I don't believe that you actually believe to be the sole player in this game looking for scum.
What happens if Robert flips TPR here?

^ andante have you responded to this yet

I haven't responded to a lot of random things this game, but once I have an answer to my question we'll be a bit better, trust me, if I just flat out claimed you'd understand how I saw a 0% chance he's a town tracker

okay so i'm not asking you to claim. in fact, i'm gonna ask you right now not to claim at this moment

but please elaborate on why you think that p=0 for a town tracker in this game

I realized I'm actually uncertain, cause I thought 1 thing, but I'm asking a clarifying question, ahhhhhhh I've paused all thoughts till I hear back

where did you ask said question

I didn't ask it here, but I'm not trying to get in trouble!! it was a hypothetical question, look the whole reason I was just gonna claim my actual role here was for town to help, cause I'm like the most clueless person for this job lmaoo

[Andante]

he asked the mod a question because he's being ridiculous

calling you what your role is, is ridiculous?

[Andante]

So uhhh either way, I dont think Pooky is optimal pick here, he's literally traitor at best, and if he's the last alive we win....

[Andante]

Lemons never told me to not claim.... that's suspicious.... that's weird....

[Andante]

like guys, I genuinely don't want pooky here... I have a feeling the answer to my hypothetical question will be no, and it'll make sense for no traitor. Sorry I'm bad :/ I do wanna be better...

[Andante]

cuz lemons and STD and GCray are the three scum

you're welcome

this is not a bad 3/3 tbh

thanks!!

[Andante]

i'm just confused at this point

welcome to my brain all game. the second I claimed something, my brain got lost

[Andante]

yolo, fun fact I'm a gunsmith, but I don't give anyone guns... sad times

[Andante]

So I know how many people "have guns" this game, but I think if I out that number it only helps scum

[Andante]

the play this game is on such a high level that even I don't know what's going on

it's the professional leagues!!!

[Andante]

look, pooky, to be fair... I have that number, I am 1 in it, mafia has guns (not doc or traitor) we know 1 maf is a doc, this has driven half my thoughts here

[Andante]

but cops and whatnot count as having guns, so is it beneficial to tell maf how many PRs we have?? not sure there

[Andante]

So I know how many people "have guns" this game, but I think if I out that number it only helps scum

Not really, the existence of a mafia doc suggests the town may have a killing role - one that you could unwittingly uncover.

having a doc means that not all mafia members have guns, my role is extremely confusing lol

[Andante]

i thought gunsmith was like an investigative roll, you got info n0?

I know how many people in this game have a gun yes, I didn't investigate anyone n0

[Andante]

if we're claiming how many guns we have.

I'm a town cowboy. I have two guns, I'm allowed to shoot up to two people a night or go into PGO mode and shoot two people who visit me, I'm looking for my horse who was stolen by a notorious horse-thief known as "Dutch Henry"

LMAO you're great

[Andante]

tbh my first reaction to this was "I give guns?!?!?" and when I was told I have a gun, I thought I could shoot.... lmao I'm town I promise!! but uhhh yeah idk if I out how many guns in play, for that, I want Anya here

[Andante]

I also have no clue if tracker shows as having a gun, so that's a fun one

[Andante]

based on the number of guns tbh

[Andante]

all future gunsmiths need to take notes from me on how to play tbh XD I'm killing it!! best gs ever!

[Andante]

ahhhhhh osuka, should I out how many gunned members are here? idk if it's beneficial for town or will only help maf

[Andante]

I also have no clue if tracker shows as having a gun, so that's a fun one

How did you draw a conclusion not knowing the answer to this question?

which conclusion?

[Andante]

based on the number of guns tbh

I don't get it

Trackers don't have guns btw

ty, well that's a fun one. idk I'm lost ahhhhh

[Andante]

if trackers don't have guns... I'm kinda feeling like only 1 maf has a gun still, maf doc, traitor, + 1 gunned maf, I have a gun, X other(s) here have guns balance wise it makes sense tbh

[Andante]

I also have no clue if tracker shows as having a gun, so that's a fun one

How did you draw a conclusion not knowing the answer to this question?

which conclusion?

The conclusion that it's impossible for there to be a tracker.

cause I was thinking balance wise, 2 gunned maf, my gun, your gun + other gun(s) logistics wise it wasn't making sense in my head, then I sorta reasoned could be possible if scum had a traitor, but they'd only have a doc if we have a vig (right??) and vigs are gunned... my brain has been trying to juggle the numbers and deal with yall yelling that I was scum

[Andante]

the last time i played with a mafia doctor announced was this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84523

there was a town 1-shot tracker, a town gunsmith and an informed miller who knew how many guns there were in the game.

ok, see I was trying to think, I was like, if 2 maf have guns, me and tracker have guns, it's not possible to have a cop and a vig in addition


whatever, there's 4 guns total this game, I have 1, and 3 others are out there, doc/traitors do not show as having guns, so at least 1 is a scum gun

[Andante]

I'm thinking town has a joat and a vig, means we also most likely have a traitor...

[Andante]

I'm really thinking we don't get pooky here... like, we need to hunt for a scum that does stuff, like I'm serious, at best I think pooky could be traitor... if we have a roleblocker, I'd love to find them today

[Andante]

unfortunately I think half the town is in the people who aren't here, so they'll show up and speed hammer pooky... as outed gs, can I request we don't get pooky here?

[Andante]

I think pooky linking this other gs game is super towny, especially a game where pooky was scum

[Andante]

so you're an informed gunsmith?

lmao no joke.. I was like "nah not informed, just gunsmith and I know the 4 guns in play" then I reread my role PM... informed gunsmith lmao

[Andante]

can you tell me why you thought pooky was a traitor but not possible to be scum

why would scum pooky literally link a game he played as scum with a gunsmith...

I pretty solidly TRed him, and like, I don't think scum would be so fast to bus him, but I would believe a traitor situation, scum wouldn't have known he's their partner, there's literally 0 benefit to getting him today...

[Andante]

VOTE: Crayons

I'm good with this here tbh