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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

YES I ROLLED SCUM MWAHAHAHAHAH PREPARE TO DIE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The Fire of Barad-dûr burns again in the Land of Mordor where the Shadow Rules.

Green Crayons, will you be the first of my Nazgûl ? To ride forth and terrorize the land in my name?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

She will be given a chance to join the Shadow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Greetings Hasch.

How goes the terrorizing of the populace?

I am here now to bring this region under more firm control.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]: VFP, InsidiousLemons, Salsabil Faria

Insolent fools

I give you 24 hours to apologize and unvote before I annihilate you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Anya

This one looks like an Agent of Light and Goodness

We will destroy her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i kind of want to get annihilated by pooky

You are

Ancalagon the Black

Mightiest of Dragons, so terrible your wrath that even the Valar tremble in fear at your passing...

Join me and we will bring a new age of Destruction upon the Realm of Men...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

LemonDude

I am ruling this world now.

one of my rules is no posts over 10 lines.

Only enemies of Darkness write long PHD theses on the proper etiquette for a tea party.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I smell fear from Anya

she must be an agent of Light

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Insidious will you be my Saruman?

Betray your allies.

Join the Darkness.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ANYA AND LEMON ARE LIGHTWIZARDS TOGETHER

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you post something other than flavourtext please and thanks

I gave you a chance Gandalf, but you've chosen DEATH

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky might actually be scum here

lmao Anya keeps making me laugh

I am Sauron, Dark Lord, Lord of the Rings, Lord of Mordor, Lord of Barad-dûr, the Base Master of Treachery.

I am here to reclaim Mordor and drive out the enemies of the Darkness.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Anya is Galadriel, Lady of the Woods, Princess of the Ñoldor.

She is the bearer of Nenya, the Ring of Adamant, the Ring of Water, which she uses to hide her and her allies from the forces of evil.

Unfortunately for her she did not expect my return into the world so soon, with her guard down I have sensed her presence.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

Andante

join me in hunting down Anya and her band of do-gooders.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lemons is Gandalf

he must be slain

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I'm loving Anya, Pooky, unlike you, I have 4 votes on me, I can't really afford to pointlessly vote someone I tr

You are wrong

I can smell the goodness on her.

it smells awful.

She must die,

Without Nenya to hide them, her allies will fall quickly.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

I am the thread.

Nothing that happened before my arrival matters.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Andante is an Agent of Evil,

She needs to realize this and join me.

I will let you be Smaug if you're good

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we can kill lemons too if you are all too in love with Anya to vote her out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I always have the time of my life

VOTE: Lemons

we kill Gandalf today

join me forces of evil

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

Shocking

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the vote reeks of fear and desperation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

InsidiousLemons is

Spoiler: Gandalf

Originally called Olórin, he was accounted as the wisest of the Maiar (with the possible exception of Melian). He was created by Ilúvatar before the Music of the Ainur[1], and was at the beginning of Time amongst the Ainur who entered into Eä.[2] In his "youth", he became one of the Maiar who served Manwë, Varda, Irmo and Nienna named. He was associated with light and fire, much like his peer Varda.[3] Yet his ways often took him to Nienna, from whom he learned pity and patience. He loved the Elves, but he walked unseen among them, or wore a fana that appeared like an Elf, and sent them fair visions in their hearts that made them wiser. Throughout his existence, he followed the example of Nienna, he took pity on the sorrows of the Children of Ilúvatar and drove those who listened to him out of despair.[3]

When the Valar decided to send the order of the Istari (also known as Wizards) to Middle-earth, to counsel and assist all those who opposed the Dark Lord Sauron, Manwë and Varda decided to include Olórin among the five who were sent. At first, Olórin was nervous and described himself as too weak and too afraid of Sauron. Manwë understood, and told him that was one main reason why he should go - to overcome that fear. Furthermore, the One Ring, which held much of Sauron's power, presumably still existed somewhere. Thus, Manwë insisted that Olórin should go as the third, but Varda convinced him to have Olórin go as the second instead.[4] He agreed, and prepared for his departure from the Undying Lands with the other four, arriving about the same time the Necromancer appeared in Mirkwood.

Olórin, like the other Wizards, took the shape of an old man. He was robed in grey and went about as a wanderer and counsellor. At Mithlond he was welcomed by Glorfindel, his friend from Valinor (who had been sent earlier on a similar mission), and Círdan the shipwright, who possessed Narya, one of the Three Elven Rings of Power. Círdan divined in Olórin a sense of strength and power despite his appearance as a bent and aged old man. Círdan gave Narya to Olórin with a prediction of his future struggles with evil, and a promise that it would support and aid him in his labours.[5]

He then began his sojourn in Middle-earth and during many years, he walked among the elves as a stranger, learning from them and teaching them. Unlike Saruman, Olórin did not take up a single permanent residence and never went to the east[6], apparently restricting his activities to the Westlands of Middle-earth, where the remnants of the Dúnedain and the Eldar remained to oppose Sauron. He was known by many names during the long years he wandered: Elves named him Mithrandir, the "Grey Pilgrim", while the men of Arnor named him Gandalf, which became his most common name. He was also known as Incánus (in the south), and Tharkûn to the Dwarves.[4] He later revealed himself as one of the Istari, and eventually became known as not only the wisest but also the most powerful individual in that order.

A legend says that Gandalf was given by Yavanna the Elfstone of Eärendil, to bring to the peoples of Middle-earth as a token that the Valar had not forsaken them. He gave it to Galadriel, bearer of one of the Three Elven Rings and mighty among the Eldar, remarked prophetically that she would in turn pass it to an individual who would also be called Elessar.[7]

Around year 1100, the Istari and Eldar discovered that some evil entity resided in at Dol Guldur in Mirkwood; while some thought a Nazgûl had returned to torment the world, or some new evil was arising, Gandalf began to suspect that perhaps Sauron himself might have returned.[5][8] As in the next two hundred years, evil continued to grow and spread, as well as the source directing it. Gandalf went to Dol Guldur in 2063 to discover its secret.[5] However, the Necromancer fled upon Gandalf's arrival, preventing Gandalf from identifying him.[8] After Gandalf's incursion, the evil there seemed to desist, and its absence allowed for some centuries of calmness.[8]

That peaceful period was known as the Watchful Peace and lasted for almost four hundred years, but the Nazgûl had used this period to prepare for Sauron's return, in 2460.[5] Realising the returning evil, Galadriel formed and reunited the White Council three years later composed of four members: herself, Gandalf, Saruman, and Elrond the Half-elven (who was the bearer of another of the Three Rings). Galadriel wished Gandalf to be the chief of the Council, but he refused the position, wishing to set down no roots and to maintain his independence; Saruman took this place instead because of his vast knowledge and for his pride in not declining from the position.[8] However, he later grew jealous and afraid of Gandalf,[5] which was the reason of his future betrayal.

During his wanderings in Eriador, Gandalf met and befriended the isolated and secretive people of the Hobbits in their country, The Shire. During the Long Winter of 2758 Gandalf came to their aid.[5] It was then when he witnessed and admired the pity and courage that the humble Hobbits reserved in their hearts.[9] He then passed onward but nevertheless would return to visit the Shire occasionally and participate in the Midsummer-eve parties of the Old Took, where he impressed young Hobbits with his fireworks, and his stories about Dragons, Goblins and princesses.[9] He was thus known to be "responsible for so many quiet lads and lasses going off into the Blue for mad adventures". He also met a relatively adventurous Hobbit named Bilbo Baggins, although he was in fact far from "adventuresome."[10]

When King Thráin II, a dwarf of the royal line of Lonely Mountain, disappeared on journey to Erebor, Gandalf looked for him. At some point after 2845 he entered the abandoned city of Khazad-dûm during this search. After this proved to be in vain, the Wizard exited through the Doors of Durin; however this experience did not help him know how to open the doors from the outside.[11] In 2850, his quest led him once more to Dol Guldur, this time in secrecy.[5] He found Thráin in the dungeons, who gave the Wizard his last possessions, the map and key to Erebor.[12] Most importantly, he found out that the Necromancer was not a Nazgûl – it was Sauron himself, and he had taken the last of the Seven Rings from the Dwarf King; Sauron was gathering the remaining Rings of Power and possibly searching for his lost One Ring.


Gandalf escaped Dol Guldur and returned to the White Council.[8] After relating his discoveries, he urged the council to attack Sauron while the One Ring was still lost and while Sauron's power was not yet beginning to be restored . But Saruman said that it was better to watch and wait; that the One Ring had long ago rolled from Anduin to the Sea. The majority of the council agreed with Saruman. Elrond later privately told Gandalf he had a foreboding that the Ring would be found, and that the war to end the Age was coming. Indeed, Elrond added, he feared that it would end in darkness and despair. Gandalf encouraged him, saying there were many "strange chances," and that, "help oft shall come from the hands of the weak". Gandalf did not yet realise that Saruman now wanted the Ring for himself and was secretly searching for it along the banks of river Anduin.

As time went on, the wizard became increasingly troubled by his knowledge of Sauron's resurgent strength. He knew that Sauron was already plotting war from Dol Guldur, and that as soon as he felt strong enough, he would attack Rivendell. Unfortunately, the only power left besides Rivendell to resist an attempt from Mirkwood to regain the lands of Angmar was the dwarves of the Iron Hills.


Over the years, Gandalf became concerned about the weak state of the North. Smaug the Dragon had destroyed both the Kingdom under the Mountain and the town of Dale, and the wizard feared that Sauron might use the desolation around Erebor to regain the northern passes in the mountains and the old lands of Angmar. Gandalf knew that exiled Dwarf King of Durin's Folk, Thorin Oakenshield, planned to battle against Smaug, but he knew that it would not be enough. In 2941,[5] while staying the night in Bree, Gandalf happened across the Dwarf King.[9] Thorin initiated conversation; he had been having a strange feeling urging him to seek Gandalf. The same was intrigued, for he had thought to seek Thorin as well. They found they were taking the same road for a while (Thorin passing through the Shire on his way to the Ered Luin), and they agreed to travel together. Thorin wanted advice, and Gandalf in turn wanted to discuss the Dragon Smaug with Thorin.

Ultimately, Gandalf concocted a plan wherein Thorin could destroy Smaug and recover his family fortune, albeit with a "burglar" of Gandalf's own choosing.


Feeling that a Hobbit should be involved, Gandalf remembered Bilbo Baggins. At first he found only Holman Cotton as Bilbo had left on the occasion of the Elven new year, something that persuaded Gandalf that Bilbo was the right person for the job.[9] He visited Bilbo later, bringing along the kinsmen of Thorin.[10] In the end, Gandalf convinced the reluctant Baggins to become a burglar for Thorin. Gandalf then accompanied Thorin and Company to Rivendell. During the journey Gandalf was instrumental in saving the travellers' lives from several calamities. He saved them from a trio of Stone-trolls, and later obtained the legendary sword Glamdring from their Troll-hoard; Gandalf bore it thenceforth.[13]

He also helped Thorin and Company through the Misty Mountains; when unknowingly they camped in the Front Porch of the Goblin-town, the same captured the whole company except Gandalf, who surprised them much later, killing the Great Goblin and then leading the Dwarves to the exit.[14] It was during this time that Bilbo obtained a "magic ring".[15] Bilbo initially claimed he "won" it from the creature "Gollum" while the company was under the Misty Mountains.[16] The ring conferred invisibility on Bilbo when he wore it, and he kept it secret from Gandalf for some time.

On their escape out, the Company was saved by the Eagles of the Misty Mountains; Gandalf once had healed the Great Eagle from a poisoned wound, and thenceforth they became friends. The Eagles picked them up to their eyrie, and the next day they dropped them to the other side of the Mountains.[16]


Gandalf then sought the hospitality of Beorn, persuading him to welcome and host the whole Company in his hall. But then he left the quest prior to its completion; after leading the Company to the outskirts of the Forest Gate, he gave them some final advice (but little did he know that the lands had changed by then) before they'd enter Mirkwood, and went to attend other obligations.[17][18] The White Council had met under the gravest of circumstances: Sauron's vast power was returning, even without his Ring. Gandalf at last convinced the Council to attack Dol Guldur, to which even Saruman agreed (as by now he feared Sauron as a rival, and wished to delay his search for the Ring). Gandalf joined his peers in assailing Dol Guldur, ridding Mirkwood of the Necromancer's presence, who fled to Mordor to his long-prepared stronghold of Barad-dûr.[19] When he was about to finish his task, news about what happened to Thorin's Company in Mirkwood reached him, and realised that the instructions he gave did not help them; they had lost their way, and then vanished due to the encounter with the Wood-elves, who had captured them. He was anxious to get back to them as soon as possible.[20]


Meanwhile Thorin's quest was successful: Erebor was retaken and Smaug was killed,[21] but when Gandalf finally arrived to the area, he found the Dwarves of Erebor and the Iron Hills preparing for an attack by the Lake-men and the Elves of Mirkwood. He was with Bard and Thranduil and thus revealed his presence, trying to reason with Thorin. When the attack was beginning, Gandalf halted them, to warn that the Orcs and Wargs were coming to claim the treasure. He invited Dáin Ironfoot for council, and soon Dwarves, Elves and Men formed an alliance, and defeated the Orcs of the Misty Mountains in the Battle of Five Armies.[22]

King Thorin was mortally wounded and after his funeral and the reestablishment of Erebor under Dáin, Bilbo and Gandalf followed their way back; they celebrated Yule at Beorn's, and then returned to Rivendell, where he discussed with Elrond the events of Dol Guldur and the Lonely Mountain. Gandalf had accomplished his immediate goal, which was to destroy Smaug, since he could have been used to disastrous effect by Sauron. A large number of Orcs and Wargs also were killed in the North, removing threats to Rivendell and Lothlórien.[9] The two still both agreed that it would be better if the Necromancer were banished from the world altogether.[23]

As Gandalf and Bilbo passed by the site of their former encounter with the stone-trolls, they made sure to recover the gold of the troll-hoard they had buried before the Wizard left to perform other duties and Bilbo returned to the Shire.[23] Gandalf, for his part, found himself amazed by the Hobbit; until then, the Wise had paid no attention to Hobbits and knew little of them. For the rest of his sojourn in Middle-earth, Gandalf took a special interest in Hobbits, and particularly in the Baggins family.

Despite the Council's hopes, Sauron was not weakened by this attack. He had foreseen the move that drove him from Mirkwood, and his retreat was but a feint. Ten years after the attack, Sauron declared himself openly in Mordor in 2951 and rebuilt the Tower of Barad-dûr. The White Council met for one last time in 2953 to debate about the Rings of Power. Saruman quieted his peers claiming to have the knowledge that the One Ring was lost in the Belegaer. After their meeting, Saruman, jealous and afraid of Gandalf, set spies to watch all his movements; this would affect the peaceful Hobbits, as Saruman thus discovered the existence and noted Gandalf's interest in the Shire, and started sending agents in Bree and the Southfarthing.[5]

In 2956, Gandalf met Aragorn, the hidden Heir of Isildur, and soon became friends with him. From that point on Aragorn and Gandalf often worked together towards a common end - the defeat of Sauron.


During this period Gandalf visited the Shire frequently, especially his friend Bilbo Baggins, and his younger nephew, Frodo. He noted Bilbo's unusual youthfulness, despite his advancing age; the suspicious "magic ring" that Bilbo had acquired during his adventure began to weigh on his mind. Gandalf recalled the deceit Bilbo used in originally claiming it for his own -- Bilbo had later admitted to stealing it from Gollum. Gandalf could see that Bilbo was now very preoccupied with the ring and had begun to suspect that the same was indeed a ring of power. Such un-hobbitlike behaviour aroused his suspicions.


In 3001, Bilbo planned what would become known as his Farewell Birthday Party, and at the culmination of the hobbit's speech, Bilbo put on the mysterious ring and disappeared, as a joke on his neighbours. Later as he was bidding farewell to Gandalf, who had known about his plans to leave, Bilbo began to change his mind about leaving his ring to Frodo, as he had earlier agreed. When Gandalf tried to persuade him to leave it, Bilbo became hostile and accused Gandalf of trying to steal the ring for his own benefit, which he referred to as his "precious." Horrified by Bilbo's outburst, Gandalf stood to his full height and projected his power, frightening the hobbit. This brought Bilbo back to his senses; he apologised, admitted that the Ring had been troubling him lately, and left it behind. Bilbo and Gandalf bid each other goodbye before Bilbo left the Shire for his journey.[24] Before leaving the Shire, he convinced Bilbo to leave the Ring for Frodo. He then emphatically warned Frodo not to use it; Gandalf .[25]


Keen now to find out more about Gollum, he sought Aragorn's help to capture him. Studying the records in Minas Tirith, he found the Scroll of Isildur and pieced together the missing history of the One Ring; on his way back to the Shire he got word from the Galadhrim that Aragorn had finally captured Gollum and he went to Mirkwood to meet him. For days he interrogated him in order to verify what he already knew, in 3017. A great fear came over him when he learned that Gollum had been to the Tower of Barad-dûr. Sauron had tortured Gollum and learned not only of the "magic ring", but also the names "Shire" and "Baggins". Gandalf left Mirkwood soon after, and left Gollum with the wood-elves of Northern Mirkwood.[5] He now returned in haste to the Shire, certain that Frodo's ring was not simply a ring of power: it was the One Ruling Ring of Sauron.


Upon returning to the Shire, Gandalf immediately went to Frodo and confirmed his suspicions by throwing the Ring into Frodo's hearth fire, which revealed, in Black Speech, the inscription upon the ring. Gandalf then told a dumbfounded Frodo about the One Ring and its history, and how Sauron would seek to regain it. Instructing Frodo to go to Rivendell with the ring, Gandalf told him to make arrangements to leave the Shire quietly.

While in the Shire, he had a sense of foreboding; in the aftermath of Sauron's attack on Osgiliath, Gandalf heard disturbing news about war in Gondor and a Black Shadow. He started wandering around Eriador, hearing news from the refugees who had a fear they could not speak about, until he met Radagast the Brown who brought a message of Saruman that he must seek him at once; and a warning that the Ringwraiths are looking for the Shire.[26] He went to the Prancing Pony at Bree. Believing that he would not be able to return to Frodo in time, he wrote a letter, urging him to move as soon as possible for Rivendell, and seek someone "Strider" whose real name is Aragorn, with a riddle to identify him; Gandalf would then try to catch up with them when available. He also instructed Barliman Butterbur to send the letter to Hobbiton and to expect a Mr. Baggins that will come under the name of "Mr. Underhill". He left the inn, but Barliman would forget to send the letter.[27]


Soon thereafter Gandalf arrived at Isengard. At their meeting, Saruman at last revealed his desire for the One Ring. He offered to his "old friend and helper" that they take the Ring for themselves and seize power from Sauron. Gandalf rejected this with horror, and was imprisoned by Saruman on the pinnacle of Orthanc. Gwaihir, chief of the Eagles, soon arrived and helped Gandalf escape. Gwaihir's real purpose for visiting Orthanc was to report a sighting of the Nazgûl, as Radagast had appealed to him to do so earlier on. Gandalf knew he must return quickly to the Shire, as Frodo (and the ring) were in grave danger from both Sauron's Nazgûl and now Saruman's treacherous desire for the ring.


Gandalf hurriedly went to Rohan, desiring to find a strong steed; there he obtained Shadowfax from King Théoden, who later resented the gift. This lord of horses and Gandalf forged a special bond, and Gandalf made quick use of Shadowfax's incredible strength and endurance.

Gandalf sped to the Shire. Fortunately, Frodo had already left the Shire without waiting for Gandalf, and was seeking the refuge of Rivendell. Upon arrival Gandalf learned that the Nazgûl, arrayed as Black Riders, had been searching the area. Dismayed, he set out for Bree; Barliman apologised to Gandalf for forgetting to send the letter, worried that the hobbits had left with Strider, the suspicious Ranger. But for Gandalf this was a hope which far exceeded his expectations. After congratulating a puzzled Barliman, and blessing his beer, Gandalf then made for Weathertop, a high point in the region, to observe the surrounding area.


There he was assaulted at night by the Nazgûl, but drove them off after a great battle of light and flame. These phenomena were seen by Aragorn and the hobbits from afar, without knowing it was Gandalf. Before leaving, he marked some stones with the certh G for them to find.

Several days later, Frodo, Aragorn, and company stayed at Weathertop and were confronted by the remaining five Nazgûl. Despite their escape, Frodo was stabbed in the process by the Ringwraith leader with a Morgul-knife.[28] Gandalf was able to evade the four Nazgûl and successfully reach Rivendell and welcomed by Glorfindel. However, several days later, an injured Frodo arrived at the Ford of Bruinen, though the Nazgûl pursued him all the way there. Gandalf, along with Elrond, saved Frodo from the Nazgûl by enchanting the water and sweeping them away.[29]


Elrond called a council after Frodo was healed to consider the momentous decision regarding the ring. There Gandalf explained to the others how Saruman had imprisoned him and how the White Wizard was creating his own army of orcs to rival Sauron's.[26] By chance, representatives of most of the free peoples happened to be in Rivendell already for various reasons. Elrond and Gandalf advised that the Ring should be destroyed in the fires of Orodruin, where it was made. Others dissented or objected, but eventually submitted to Gandalf's plan. Ultimately, Elrond appointed the Fellowship of the Ring as nine walkers, numerically set against Sauron's nine Nazgûl. The relatively small number reflected the realisation by Elrond and the other council members that the quest of Mount Doom would not rely upon strength of arms, but on stealth and good fortune. Gandalf was chosen to lead the company, which included Aragorn, Boromir, Legolas the Elf, Gimli the Dwarf, and the hobbits Frodo, Samwise Gamgee, Peregrin Took, and Meriadoc Brandybuck.



Several obstacles stood in the company's way. The vast Misty Mountains had to be crossed, for Gandalf was determined not to lead the company near Isengard. Gandalf decided to take a southern route to the Redhorn Pass and there to cross the Misty Mountains near Caradhras, thereby traversing the mountain range and avoiding Isengard. When this attempt failed due to a terrible storm he then decided to take the Fellowship through the ruins of Moria, where the remains of the great Dwarf city of Khazad-dûm was now a labyrinth of tunnels under the mountains. Others in the company were loathe enter the maze, as it was now the lair of orcs and something known only as "Durin's Bane".

Fall in Mines of Moria
At the Doors of Durin on the west side of the mountains, Gandalf, after some delay, spoke the password and led the company into the dark. Having been in Moria on an earlier perilous errand, he was somewhat familiar with the underground passages. Eventually the party came to the Chamber of Mazarbul, where Gandalf read the Book of Records, which revealed the fate of Balin, the leader of an ill-fated attempt to re-colonise Moria. Soon after, the party was attacked by orcs, and forced to flee the chamber. By then Gandalf was well aware of their location, and he led the party quickly towards the eastern exit.


Unfortunately Durin's Bane caught up to the group at the Bridge of Khazad-dûm. Gandalf and Legolas immediately realised what it was: a Balrog of Morgoth, a servant of the first dark lord. In a spectacular display of bravery Gandalf faced the demon and broke the bridge both stood upon, leaving the beast to fall into a seemingly bottomless chasm. But the Balrog's whip lashed out, and grasped Gandalf by the knees, causing him to fall into the pit. While falling, Gandalf shouted "Fly, you fools" and vanished into the abyss.[30]


Yet Gandalf did not die; he and the Balrog fell for a long time, and wizard was burned by the Balrog's fire. Then they plunged into a deep lake in the depths of the mountain, which Gandalf later said was cold as the tide of death and almost froze his heart. They fought in the water until finally the Balrog fled into dark tunnels, where the world is gnawed by nameless things, older even than Sauron. Gandalf pursued the creature until it led him to the spiraling Endless Stair, and they climbed it until they reached Durin's Tower in the living rock of Zirakzigil, the pinnacle of the Silvertine above the clouds. There they fought, until at last Gandalf threw down his enemy, and the Balrog broke the mountain-side as it fell. Then darkness took Gandalf, and he passed away. His body lay on the peak. The entire battle, from the confrontation on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm to the mutual demise of the Balrog and Gandalf, had taken ten days.

Resurrection
Then darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell... Naked I was sent back – for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. … There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth.
—The Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers, Book Three, Chapter V: "The White Rider"

But Gandalf's spirit did not depart Middle-earth forever at this time. As the only one of the five Istari to stay true to his errand, Olórin/Gandalf was sent back to mortal lands by Eru, and he became Gandalf once again. Yet, as he was now the sole emissary of the Valar to Middle-earth, he was granted the power to "reveal" more of his inner Maiar strength. This naked power that lay within him was seldom used during the remainder of his time in Middle-earth, as his mission was essentially the same: to support and succour those who opposed Sauron. Nevertheless, when Gandalf's wrath was kindled his "unveiled" strength was such that few of Sauron's servants could withstand him.

Three days later he was found by the windlord Gwaihir, the Lord of the Eagles, who had been sent by Galadriel to find him. Gandalf was carried to Caras Galadhon in Lothlórien, where he was healed, given a new staff, and clothed in white, and thus became Gandalf the White. He soon learned that Frodo and Sam had left the Fellowship and were attempting the quest of Mount Doom alone.


As Frodo was beyond his assistance now, Gandalf promptly went south to Fangorn Forest, where he met the Three Hunters: Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli, and gave them messages from Galadriel. Then he called forth Shadowfax, and rode with them to Edoras. There he found that Saruman's spy Gríma Wormtongue had deceived King Théoden into hopeless impotence. Gandalf quickly deposed Wormtongue and encouraged Théoden to ride west to war against Saruman. Gandalf by now was keenly aware that the great war to end the age was beginning; if Saruman conquered Rohan then Gondor would be alone with enemies on all sides.[31][32]


At Gandalf's encouragement King Théoden went west to Helm's Deep where he was quickly besieged; Gandalf then searched for Erkenbrand and the forces of the Westfold, which he later found and led to the Deep, thus breaking the siege. Meanwhile, the Ents (along with the Hobbits Merry and Pippin) moved against Saruman and sent Huorns against the orcs, resulting in the utter ruin of the outer walls of Isengard and the complete annihilation of Saruman's orcs. After the battle, Gandalf went to Orthanc with Théoden, Aragorn, and a small group. There Saruman rejected Gandalf's offer of forgiveness with contempt. Gandalf then broke Saruman's staff and cast him from the Order and the Council. Gandalf imposed a strict watch on Isengard by the Ents and then advised King Théoden to ride to Gondor's defence as soon as possible. The wizard's mind had already turned to Gondor and the coming climactic battle in the east.[33]


As a 'reward' for Pippin, who had foolishly gazed into a palantír, Gandalf took the Hobbit with him to Minas Tirith, the last bastion of the west. Soon after arriving, Gandalf confronted Denethor II, the Ruling Steward, and learned that he was near despair over the death of his eldest son, Boromir. Pippin entered the Steward's service in payment of the debt that he and Merry owed, the death of Boromir. Ostensibly they were allies, but the Steward treated him with disrespect and suspicion. When Faramir, the Steward's younger son, returned from Osgiliath and was attacked by Nazgûl, Gandalf upon Shadowfax drove them away by revealing the power within him; later Faramir told him that Frodo and Sam were still alive and headed towards Mordor.


The city was soon besieged by a vast force from Mordor, led by the Witch-king of Angmar. An ill-advised counter attack resulted in Faramir receiving a wound from a poisoned dart; he lay near death inside the Tower. Still, Gandalf encouraged the men of Minas Tirith to have hope, and dispelled the fear of the Ringwraiths by his very presence. But Sauron's catapults hurled flaming bolts upon the city; soon the first circle of the city burned unchecked. Denethor now lost all heart as the city burned and his only remaining son hovered near death; he abandoned his leadership of the city. Gandalf then took it upon himself to direct the defense of the city. When the gigantic ram Grond destroyed the ancient entrance to the city, Gandalf placed himself alone at the ruined gateway. The Witch-king then appeared in the midst of the blasted gate upon a black horse and threatened Gandalf with death; but Gandalf did not move — seated upon Shadowfax he defied the mightiest of Sauron's minions. However, the stand-off ended inconclusively, as the morning arrived along with the host of the Rohirrim. Hearing the horns of the Riders of Rohan, the Witch-king departed.

But Gandalf did not pursue his foe, for Pippin brought him news that Denethor was about to commit suicide in the high tower, burning himself and his son Faramir on a pyre like the heathen Kings of old. Gandalf rushed to stop this madness and was able to save Faramir, but not Denethor, whose despair and grief had overcome his mind. Gandalf also learned how it was that Denethor's will had been broken: Denethor clutched a palantír in his hands as he burned. Clearly Denethor had been using the stone's special properties for some time — extending his vision far beyond those of mannish eyes, but also wrestling in thought with Sauron. And even though Sauron could not completely overwhelm Denethor's mind, his courage was daunted by knowledge of the vast might of Mordor. Thus the shadow entered into the capital of Gondor.

Nevertheless, and against all hope, the siege was broken. Éowyn of Rohan and the hobbit Merry defeated the Witch-king, whose last wail was heard by many as he was reduced to impotence. Soon after, Lord Aragorn arrived with a large valour of men from the southern fiefs upon a captured pirate fleet from Umbar. The forces of the men of the west then utterly defeated Sauron's attack against Minas Tirith, relieving the city and killing virtually all of the invaders. Gandalf's carefully laid plans and words of wisdom, along with acts of heroism not seen since the elder days, had defeated Sauron's first move.

The Fall of Sauron
In Minas Tirith, Gandalf was selected by Aragorn, Imrahil, and Éomer (the remaining lords of the west) to be their leader in the coming final battles. This would be the culmination of Gandalf's efforts in Middle-earth. Fully aware that the west would stand or fall on the outcome of Frodo's mission, he advised the lords to drive north to the Morannon, thereby drawing Sauron's eye away from Frodo's likely location. This plan surely would result in a catastrophic loss for the outnumbered army, but it gave Frodo a chance to achieve the quest of Mount Doom.



Led by Gandalf and Aragorn, the army of the West crossed the Anduin and marched north, pausing occasionally to announce their coming and to dispatch small numbers of men to lesser tasks. Upon arriving at the Black Gate, the forces halted and prepared for battle. As they ordered their companies, the foul Mouth of Sauron rode forth to parley with them; he revealed Frodo's mithril-coat and Arnor-blade and implied that their owner was captured and tortured. The emissary of Sauron then proposed that the forces of the west surrender; Gandalf however was undaunted, and, seizing his friend's belongings, rejected Sauron's offer. In shock, the Mouth of Sauron turned back towards the Black Gate, which slowly opened to reveal a vast army of orcs and trolls advancing on the lords of the west. Sauron's trap was sprung.

Yet Sauron himself became the victim of Gandalf's trap. Unbeknownst to all, Frodo and Sam had succeeded in scaling Mount Doom and even as the Battle of Morannon began Frodo stood at the Crack of Doom. But the power and lure of the ring finally overcame his will and he placed the ring upon his finger, claiming it as his own. Immediately the Nazgûl were summoned by their lord, as he in terror realised his blunder: his enemies intended to destroy his ring.



But Gandalf's foresight proved accurate again as the creature Gollum, who had been doggedly following the Ring-bearer, seized the ring from Frodo, and, while celebrating his reunion with "his precious," unwittingly fell into the fires of Orodruin. The ring was unmade as the fiery mountain erupted. The tower of Barad-dûr and the Towers of the Teeth began to collapse, their foundations crumbling, the Ring-wraiths burned out like shooting stars, and Sauron was reduced to a mere shadow of malice, never to torment the world again. With Sauron gone, his forces scattered like frightened insects; the Men of the West now set upon them with fury. Gandalf announced the success of the Ring-bearer and the end of Sauron; the quest had been fulfilled. Seeing that victory was achieved, Gandalf then mounted on Gwaihir the Eagle for a third time, and set out to see if Frodo and Samwise had survived the tumults of Mount Doom. To his great relief, the two were found on the slopes of Orodruin, clinging to life amid the volcanic eruptions. The great quest was over.

Fourth Age
In Minas Tirith, Gandalf and the remaining members of the Fellowship reunited. At the coronation of King Elessar, Gandalf (at Aragorn’s request) set the crown upon the King’s head, and declared "Now come the days of the King, and may they be blessed while the thrones of the Valar endure!". Thus Gandalf ushered in the new age of men.

After the coronation and wedding of Aragorn to Arwen, Gandalf left with the rest of the remaining Fellowship on the journey home. For Gandalf, it was his last long journey in Middle-earth. His errand to Arda had been fulfilled; Sauron had been defeated. He said farewell to his friends one by one until at last only the four Hobbits remained at his side. At the borders of the Shire he, too, turned away. He left the Hobbits to settle with the Shire, for the shattered pieces of evil still remaining in the world were no longer his concern, and went to talk to "moss gatherer" Tom Bombadil.


What Gandalf did during the next two years is unknown; it is possible that his "long talk" with Bombadil was just that. At any rate, on 29 September 3021, he met Frodo at Mithlond, ready to take the White Ship over the sea to Aman. He wore Narya openly on his finger, and Shadowfax was beside him (perhaps even to take ship with him). His mission was over, and his homecoming after more than 2000 years was nigh. He bade farewell to Samwise, Merry, and Pippin (the latter two of whom he had forewarned of the passage), then boarded the ship beside Frodo, Bilbo, Elrond, and was never seen again in Middle-earth.[34]

The ship passed west upon the sea, and then took the hidden straight path to Valinor: Gandalf became Olórin once more. There, presumably, he dwells still in the gardens of Irmo. Olórin, the wisest of the Maiar and the sole Istar to remain true to his mission, had successfully kindled the hearts of the free people in Middle-earth to overcome the evil of their time. In a large way, it was his victory.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We must kill the White Wizard to prepare the way for full invasion.

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Osuka,

trust in the Dark Lord;

I will guide the legions of Barad-dûr to victory against the pesky Do-Gooders such as Galadriel(Anya) and Gandalf(Lemonz) - None can hide from my Gaze.

We will leave give them no quarter and find Aragorn.

The last of the House of Isildur shall fall to the Shadow and the Realms of Men will plunge into a deep and endless despair from which they will not return.

Osuka,

join me and I will make you the strongest of my Servants.

We shall be unstoppable - a terrifying tale told to fright children at night for millennia.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

don't be ridiculous dolphin

I am pure evil.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am the Thread

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow betrayed by my dragon

what a plot twist

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

saw a little heat

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MY POWER IS FORGED IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT DOOM

THIS "HEAT" IS NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN MAKE ME SWEAT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Haschel is a

Servant of Darkness

:

Spoiler: Saruman

Saruman was originally one of the powerful Maia of Aulë the Smith named Curumo (later in Sindarin, Curunír).[1] In Valinor, the land of the Valar, a council was called by Manwë, leader of the Valar, shortly after Sauron's defeat by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. Though Sauron was overthrown, it would later turn out that he had not been effectively vanquished and his shadow began to fall upon Middle-earth a second time. It was decided to send five emissaries to Middle-earth. These should be "mighty, peers of Sauron, yet forgo might, and clothe themselves in flesh," as they were intended to help Men and Elves unite against Sauron, but the wizards were forbidden from matching the Dark Lord in power and fear.[2]

Curumo was one of those who volunteered, whereas the last one, Olórin, (later known as "Gandalf") was commanded by Manwë to go too. It was from this point that Curumo began to be jealous of Olorin, due to Varda's decision to send Olorin not as the third Istari, but as the second. He also was in charge of take Aiwendil (later called "Radagast") to please Yavanna, which Curumo did not wish to do, and this led to contempt for the latter Wizard. The other who were chosen were Alatar and Pallando (the Blue Wizards). Curumo then was appointed overall leader of the group.[2]


The five wizards arrived at the Grey Havens in the west of Eriador around the year 1000. Only the keeper of the havens, Círdan the Shipwright, knew Saruman's identity and origin. Saruman would later discover that Círdan had given Narya, the Red Ring, to Gandalf upon their first landing in Middle-earth. Even though Saruman was immediately considered the head of the order while Gandalf was not, Círdan had divined Gandalf as the wisest and greatest of the wizards. Saruman's jealousy of Gandalf grew from these events, perhaps because he feared that he would eventually supplant him as chief of wizards.

Saruman and the two Blue Wizards went into the east of Middle-earth. After one and a half millennia, he returned to the west, just as Sauron's power was growing again in Dol Guldur.

The White Council
When the White Council was formed at approximately year 2463 of the Third Age in order to counter Sauron, Saruman was appointed its leader, though Galadriel wanted Gandalf in this position. Saruman refused to step down due to his pride, while Gandalf had declined. At this point Saruman had begun to sense the resurgence of Sauron and to envy and desire his power, and especially the One Ring. This was also the same year that the One Ring was taken by the Halfling Sméagol (later called Gollum), who disappeared with it into the Misty Mountains for hundreds of years. It was during the meetings of the Council that Saruman first noted Gandalf's interest in Hobbits and The Shire, and believing that all his deeds related to some as yet undisclosed plan of his for self-enhancement, Saruman himself began keeping a greater watch on Gandalf and sent spies to The Shire. At first, he himself visited it secretly but stopped when he realized that its inhabitants had noticed him. Amongst the purposes of his visits was to procure some of the halflings' Pipe-weed, since in secret imitation of Gandalf (and for which he publicly disdained him) he had begun to smoke.

At Isengard
A new power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. There is no hope left in Elves or dying Numenor. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise, Gandalf. There is hope that way. Its victory is at hand; and there will be rich reward for those that aided it.
—Saruman, speaking to Gandalf - The Fellowship of the Ring, "The Council of Elrond"


In the year TA 2759, Saruman settled in Isengard with the permission of the Steward of Gondor, Beren, although he settled only as Warden of the Tower and representative of the Steward (the stronghold had by then been abandoned by Gondor). There he became important in the informal alliance defending the west of Middle-earth. In the tower of Isengard, Orthanc, he also found one of the remaining Palantíri.

In TA 2850, Gandalf entered Dol Guldur and confirmed that the evil presence was indeed Sauron. By Saruman's advice, the White Council decided against attacking Dol Guldur. Gandalf would later remark that it was at this council meeting that he first began to suspect that Saruman desired to possess the One Ring. Saruman's real intention was to permit Sauron to build up his strength, so that the One Ring would reveal itself. He later found that Sauron had more knowledge of the possible location of the One Ring than he expected, and in TA 2941, Saruman finally agreed to attack Dol Guldur. The attack was successful, and by the devices of Saruman, Sauron was driven from the fortress.

Ten years after Sauron abandoned Dol Guldur, he returned to Mordor and declared himself openly. He established contact with Saruman through the Palantír captured from Minas Ithil, which had since become known as Minas Morgul. The White Wizard lost the contest of wills with the Dark Lord and was enticed, becoming a servant of Sauron. He no longer opposed him, but desired his victory (though he retained his desire for the Ruling Ring). Taking Isengard for his own in TA 2953, Saruman began to trouble the borders of Rohan with Orc and Dunlending raids, whilst keeping hidden any evidence of his treachery. In preparation for the war, Saruman amassed a mighty army of Orcs, Uruk-hai, Half-orcs, wicked Men and Wolves within Isengard and kept up the façade of his allegiance to Sauron while searching for the Ring. Little did he know that his master was already aware of his thoughts, despite having failed to dominate him fully.

When Gandalf presented Saruman with the discovery and the location of the One Ring, Saruman revealed his desire for it and that he was in thrall to Sauron. He had also shed the title of Saruman the White; Saruman no longer had any loyalty to the White Council, or the Ring-bearer. He tried unsuccessfully to gain Gandalf's aid. When Gandalf refused to join with either him or Sauron, Saruman held him captive in Isengard. Gandalf later escaped with help from Gwaihir the Windlord, one of Middle-earth's large Eagles, and made Saruman's treachery known to the rest of the White Council.

The Beginning of the End

By one account, the Nazgûl came two days after Gandalf's escape and Saruman used his Voice to persuade the Lord of the Nazgûl that he did not know the Ring's location but that Gandalf did and they should seek him nearby. After the Nazgûl heard this they went back on the main road rode along and instead found Gríma Wormtongue (who was on his way to tell Saruman that Gandalf had been to Edoras) who revealed that Saruman was hiding his knowledge of the Shire from them, proving that the wizard's allegiance to Sauron was a sham.

By another account, Saruman only discovered that Gandalf had escaped when the Nazgûl arrived. He had been, according to this account, about to beg Gandalf for forgiveness and help, only to find him gone. To evade the danger at hand and enticed by the thought of being Sauron's servant alone or gaining the Ring, he pretended that Gandalf was still there and that the latter had just been forced to tell the location of the Shire. The Nazgûl later learned that Saruman knew far more than he had revealed. On their way to the Shire, the Nazgûl met one of the wizard's informants in Eriador, from whom they got detailed maps of the Shire made by Saruman. They sent the spy back to the Shire after warning him that he was now in the service of Mordor (the Dunlending in the Inn of the Prancing Pony).

Believing that he would find no pity from either quarter (a false assumption, since he was later offered pardon by Gandalf) and that he had lost chance of rising in Sauron's favour; Saruman now put all efforts into obtaining the One Ring for himself. Not all of these efforts ever became known, but they included sending spies to waylay Frodo Baggins on his flight from the Shire (Bill Ferny in Bree), attacking Rohan outright with Orcs and dispatching raiding parties of Uruk-hai accompanied by Orcs from the Misty Mountains on likely routes the Fellowship of the Ring might take through Rohan to go towards Gondor. One of those companies captured Pippin and Merry and shot Boromir "with many black-feathered arrows" when he tried to defend the Hobbits. This led Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli on a search which eventually led to the Battle of Helms Deep as well as the Destruction of Isengard by the Ents under Treebeard, leading to Sauron losing one of his most potent servants and the end of Saruman's reign of terror in the north.


Following the Ents' destruction of Isengard, Saruman found himself confined to Orthanc and his servants scattered or killed. After the arrival of Théoden, Gandalf, Aragorn, and the remaining members of the Fellowship, Saruman made one final unsuccessful attempt to turn Théoden and Gandalf over to evil. The latter then offered Saruman a chance for redemption, which involved surrendering his staff and the Keys of Orthanc as a pledge. Saruman had a moment of doubt but in the end pride, anger, envy, fear and hate won over and he refused the chance of redemption.


Gandalf, who had returned from death to supplant Saruman, as the White and the head of the Istari, expelled Saruman from the order and broke his staff. Saruman also lost the Palantír of Orthanc when Gríma Wormtongue threw it off a balcony of Orthanc, undecided about which he hated more, Saruman or Gandalf, and hitting neither.

Final fall
Left out of the final stages of the War of the Ring, Saruman eventually managed to persuade the Ents who kept him captive into letting him leave Isengard after he met the conditions of handing over the Keys of Orthanc. He then went to the Shire, which his ally Lotho Sackville-Baggins had brought under control. He spent his final days as a small-time criminal master in Hobbiton known as Sharkey (from the Orkish sharkû, meaning "old man"), until he was overthrown in the Battle of Bywater. In the aftermath of that battle Frodo confronted Saruman and exiled him from the Shire, but before he could leave, Gríma Wormtongue killed Saruman by slitting his throat with a dagger, on the very doorstep of Bag End.

Legacy
After his departure from Orthanc, King Elessar entered the tower with the intent of re-ordering that realm. Inside, Elessar's men found many treasures that Saruman had conned off of King Théoden. There was a secret closet that could only be found with the aid of Gimli; it contained the original Elendilmir, which had presumed to be lost forever when Isildur perished in the Gladden Fields, as well as a golden chain which was presumed to have once borne the One Ring.[3]

Fate
Saruman, being a Maia, did not truly die. His spirit separated from his body much like his master Sauron's after the Downfall of Númenor. As an incorporeal spirit, he should have been called to the Halls of Mandos, but the tale implies that he was barred from returning. Tolkien indicated that his spirit was left naked, powerless and wandering, never to return to Middle-earth:

Whereas Curunir was cast down, and utterly humbled, and perished at last by the hand of an oppressed slave; and his spirit went whither-soever it was doomed to go, and to Middle-earth, whether naked or embodied, came never back.
—Saruman's fate

Names:

Curumo is the Quenya name for Saruman. Its Tengwar spelling is aU7Ut^, and its IPA pronunciation is [ˈkurumo]. Curumo means "Skilled Man" or "Cunning One".
Curunír is the Sindarin name for Saruman the White. It roughly translates to mean "man of skill". Curunir was the original name given to Saruman as the leader of the Wizards, or Istari, who first came to Middle-earth to combat the evils of Sauron. Late in the Third Age around the time of the War of the Ring, this name was less known and rarely used save among the Elves and even rarely used by them except for their leaders, such as Elrond in Rivendell, Celeborn and Galadriel in Lothlórien, and Círdan at the Grey Havens.
Saruman as called by Gandalf, Men in Rohan, and Men in most other places.
Sharku is the name given to him by his Uruk-Hai meaning in Black Speech "Old Man".
Sharkey, a form of the word is later used by the Ruffians at the Shire, from "Sharku".
Powers and abilities
Saruman's status as chief of the Wizards and head of the White Council (before Gandalf) gave him arsenal to a variety of powers. Though he would eventually be defeated by Gandalf the White, Saruman's powers and abilities were very mighty indeed at the peak of his power, and he managed to imprison Gandalf the Grey. Gandalf described Saruman as an individual of great knowledge, cunning, and skill. He was capably of breeding his own Uruk-hai, and had many spies, be they walking on two legs or birds, that escaped detection. He was extremely learned in Ringlore and mechanics, and his knowledge enabled him to create great forges and explosives that could breach the walls of Helm's Deep and burn an Ent to death. Unfortunately, it was Saruman's extensive knowledge of the Rings of Power that was one of the reason leading to his downfall, as he became enamored of the power of the rings, and particularly the One Ring.

He was well-versed in magic, one spell he displayed giving speed and strength to the Orcs who had kidnapped Merry and Pippin while obstructing Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. By far Saruman's greatest power (and the only one he was able to retain after the downfall of Isengard), however, is speech. He seems to have the ability to bend any but the absolute strongest minds to his will, simply by speaking to them. Even with Isengard broken and Saruman's treachery revealed, Gandalf had to be very careful, Saruman could ensnare almost anyone with the power of his voice, few can contend with his will. Gandalf was not drawn into this power when he confronted Saruman; in trying to enchant some in the company, he left others out of his designs, and thus could not ensnare everyone at once. However, even in this situation, it is said that only Gandalf himself remained totally unmoved. Aragorn stated during this time that few other than Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel could resist his voice, even at this point. Saruman later used his persuasive power to escape Orthanc, convincing Treebeard to let him go.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am unsure about Robert.

He might be aligned with Darkness but actually good-siding through incompetence like Gollum.

Ofc he can always join me and be guided by my vision.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am drunk

should i initiate drunkposting

UNLEASH HELLFIRE UPON THE INNOCENTS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay I’m back.

@osuka, yes you should.

I’ll be catching up soon. I’m also around for a few hours.

THIS MIGHT BE ARAGORN OR THAT REALLY TROLLY DWARF MAN

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ARAGORN

Definitely Aragorn.

HE ADMITS IT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you make me hungry for the blood of innocents

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's interesting that I might have been the only player to see STD as scum, and you voted me.

VOTE: STD

My dragon might be working for the good guys

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thoughts later

VOTE: pooky for now

lol omgus = confirmed do-gooder dragon

kill this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the fact that your vote flows based on convenience is a sign of weakness

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ASSEMBLE THE FORCES OF EVIL

DESTROY THIS DO-GOODER STD

THE REALM SHALL TREMBLE IN TERROR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

Why are you not voting STD?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

Why are you not voting STD?

Do you finish catch up?

Do you have thoughts/reads so far?

Are you willing to play through story-telling?

What's on your mind?

Who do you think are towns and why?

Who do you think are scums and why?

there are a lot of questions here and not many votes for STD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

green crayons is always a do gooder friend of dragons here btw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He's clearly a do-gooder tho!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

could you possibly see vfp bussing dragons here? since he knows dragons is going down... that's another thought I'm kinda having rn

kinda doubt it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean this is just fake and performative at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

could be this magical ring that I have on my finger that is the cause of all suffering...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I literally am the only one trying to find scum here... whatever fck this

VOTE: Robert

I mean I already found STD-scum what do you want lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do I have to write out like a thought process and everything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's skip that part and just kill him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do I have to write out like a thought process and everything

ffs yes

so you admit I'm right that you're scum but you're just annoyed that I'm not showing my work?

:3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

daddy?

yes dear?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or we can skip that part and kill him


or you can gimme your top pick instead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok why do you think I'm scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how am i not doing something?

lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i caught std scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well first i set a clever trap

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and then he couldnt resist and walked right into it :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SAURON IS NO TRAITOR

SAURON IS DARK LORD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol what traitor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lmao you're only here when I mention you being a traitor... who have you betrayed?

rofl you're ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

caught up.

VOTE: Pooky

i believe this is L-2

This one is also scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he asked the mod a question because he's being ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lolwhatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz lemons and STD and GCray are the three scum

you're welcome

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the play this game is on such a high level that even I don't know what's going on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So I know how many people "have guns" this game, but I think if I out that number it only helps scum

I'm pretty sure it's a good idea to claim this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

don't take the information to your grave

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we're claiming how many guns we have.

I'm a town cowboy. I have two guns, I'm allowed to shoot up to two people a night or go into PGO mode and shoot two people who visit me, I'm looking for my horse who was stolen by a notorious horse-thief known as "Dutch Henry"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

speak of the devil, here comes Dutch Henry himself trying to act all helpful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why do you think we don't have a tracker if you are a gunsmith?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

based on the number of guns tbh

I don't get it

Trackers don't have guns btw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the last time i played with a mafia doctor announced was this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84523

there was a town 1-shot tracker, a town gunsmith and an informed miller who knew how many guns there were in the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you're an informed gunsmith?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

joat + vig is overkill

maybe a gated vig tops I think if we have a mafia doctor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

right now my decision making process is based on this chart:



as you can see, I would like to avoid the upper right outcome.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

STD what's your read on Crayons?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is fake af there's no way GCray reads your scummy posts and says this to me unless he covering for u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

STD what's your read on Crayons?

nuh uh uh

not going to answer until you say something about the gamestate with facts behind it

Yea I didn't think you'd have a read on him, no point making fake reads on your partner :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea I play old-school color lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he's made some valid points and i've agreed with a lot of what he's saying

name one

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't understand your pooky tr

you can't even explain your SR of me.

you've literally pointed to not a single thing that's scum-indicative

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

GC soft-defended STD and I don't see any of his posts coming from a town-motivated POV

STD says he made good points but when I asked him for one example he couldn't show me one lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game.

1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's taking you so long to say that if you had said that posts ago i'd be happy to drop it but you didn't so hmm.

cuz I wanted to see what you would do with that information

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and you have yet to make a single case as to why

me not making a case =/= me not doing anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all you've done is make a scum team of three based on no reads, no evidence presented, so no, i don't really think you've done anything even if you'd like to pretend you have

well when you flip red and then they kill your scumbuddies and they also flip red you can tell me all about how I got lucky or whatever postgame ok?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'll send you a pm post game for sure if that's what you want

<3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well i can always blame him for starting the fight if he actually flips green here ^_^

I was trying to be nice lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tbh I think Robert messed up his claim by not claiming 1 or 2 shot... cause I don't believe we have a full tracker, which means I'm dead tonight ( but!!! mafia, do you really want to kill me? when I could get a positive gun check on a cop and tunnel our cop... just saying... please let me live

lol

I don't think town tracker should claim how many shots they have - better to make mafia shoot them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd be very impressed with Andante if she is scum here tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like there's just no way that claim lives anywhere close to endgame, she's like a force kill for the bad guys

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

extreme super villains vs flawless super heroes, black and white

this is exactly how the game is

join team super villain

superheroes stink and are boring

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just vote the dragon guy

the mod will post our official team roster at the end when we hunt him down and turn him into steak dinner

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's not fight we are all servants of Sauron on this blessed day

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what even is your case on me, andres

that is the question people should be asking but are not asking

what is pooky's case on me? who knows, he won't say.
what is VFP's case on me? who knows, he's voting because of pooky
what is andres's case on me? i dunno, he didn't say
what is T3's case on me? I dunno, he didn't say

isn't that weird...to anyone?

Spoiler: Why we should kill STD Today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait what lurker do you want to kill

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

get crushed dats

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the last time I played with a mafia doctor in a mini normal the setup was:



Town Informed Miller (Informed how many guns were in the game)
Town Odd Night Vigilante
Town Even Night Cop
Town Gunsmith
Town 1 Shot-Tracker

vs

Mafia Odd Night Roleblocker
Mafia Even Night Doctor
Informed Mafia Goon (Knew there were no protective roles in the game)



We got the Gunsmith+informed in one role this time
we got a tracker of some sorts.

So it's looking very similarish.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The last two mini normals run by Datisi were:

Spoiler: Mini 2187

town:
1x town innocent child jailkeeper enabler
1x town joat (neapolitan, gunsmith, tracker)
1x town 3-shot vigilante
1x bulletproof townie
6x vt

scum:
1x mafia multitasking jailkeeper
1x mafia informed ([player] is a town innocent child jailkeeper enabler; there are no town-aligned aliens, babysitters, bodyguards, commuters, doctors, hiders, jailkeepers or rolestoppers, backups for one of these roles, or joats with the ability from at least one of these roles)
1x mafia bulletproof enabler

and

Spoiler: Mini 2163

town:
1x town informed loyal cop (informed there is at least one mafia member with the rolestopper ability)
1x town jailkeeper
1x town commuter
1x town checker miller
6x VT

scum:
1x mafia rolestopper
1x mafia n1 informed (informed there is a town informed loyal cop)
1x mafia goon

Both ended in Mafia Victories where scum had 2 alive at the end.

This motivates me to maybe tryharder on winning this rather than just trolling since Datisi is a NOTORIOUS SCUMSIDING MOD.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how is an informed miller + gs different from an informed gs + miller?

well the informed miller in my game was basically like an extra IC since every1 believed his claim

Datisi tends to only put 4 TPRs in his games tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw this is not to be taken as an accusation of Moderator Malfeasance

but there's a pattern of the most "skilled" player in Datisi games being scum and crushing the game.

In 2187, scum unwnd goes all the way for the win.

In 2163, scum menalque goes all the way for the win.

I dunno if you guys are familiar with Green Crayons, but that dude has a absolutely VICIOUS scum game. Like if there's one person in this player list that would scare me from picking up a red role PM. It's him.

And he's done like absolutely nothing I would even believe is townie. So I'm like completely ok with killing him instead of STD.

Honestly I kinda want to kill them both.

I actually read GCray's iso and I never read that shit.

But it took like maybe 45 seconds to skim it.

there's nothing in there.

like its bland

like white bread

I'd bet this guy is scum, look how he manages to stay cool and just chill and say almost nothing of value

and STD townreads this dude? like get real

I'd be honestly ok killing either of them.

Legit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ya'all should take a look at GCray's ISO

that shit has nothing in it.

like an air balloon.

I'm ready to kill him too.

Does any1 other than STD think GCray is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've already explained my case on pooky

rofl what case

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i tr crayons and lemons and stand by it

what reason do you TR Gcray again?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

jfc it took you like 4 irl days to finally play the game pooky and you scum read me for no reason what the hell am i supposed to think about your slot

ROFL THATS NOT A CASE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you've asked me these questions before i think you're just obfuscating at this point

I've literally debunked every nonsense point you've made about me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's go over one of your "thought processes" ok buddy?


STD: Pooky are you going to read the game?

Pooky: Nah

STD: VOTE: POOKY.


Ok whats the thought process behind this?


A) STD thinks reading the game is important, since Pooky won't read the game, STD must "punish" Pooky by voting him.

This is a though process that Scum!STD might do, because Scum!STD has a need to make his votes "make sense".

It's a very simple "reason" to go from Read Game Good -> Pooky No read Game Bad -> Vote Pooky.

That's called a "justification vote" It is not a "I'm voting ____ cuz _____ is scum" vote because he doesn't go to the layer of reasoning that should exist in his head if he was town, which is

B) Why does Scum!Pooky refuse to read the game?

There is no tactical benefit for a scum!player to refuse to read the game.

In fact one of the things scum LOVE to do upon replacing into a red slot is to say:

"Give me some time to catch up guys"

Because it's a "reasonable" request.

This player did everyone a favor by replacing in, now let's give him some time to "catch up"

Now the scum!replacee can figure out where he fits in the game, he can read and figure out the dynamics and what is going on.

The "trap" is me saying Nah to STD when he asks me to read the game.

Because I wanted to see if he takes the next step that Town!Him should be taking.

Which is:

Pooky told me he won't read the game, does that make Pooky more likely to be Town or Scum?

He didn't take that next step.

He never explains why Pooky not reading the game -> Pooky Scum

There's actually not a good reason for this jump.

Because Scum

usually do not walk into games without reading them

Then if Pooky flips he can always blame me for "not reading the game"

He's

more interested in the justification for his vote and the subsequent fallout than actually finding scum

Now let's look at a town!POV

Let's say STD is a town player who genuinely wants his friend Pooky to read the game for

reasons

For example let's say there's some important shit that STD thinks I need to look at, wouldn't he quote it and tell me to look at it?

Wouldn't he be like you should read [quote] and I think this means ___ ?

Like what's even so important in the first 20ish pages that I should even be looking at?

I mean can he even come up with a reason that Scum!Pooky would want to avoid reading the first 20 pages that makes sense? whats so important in those pages that I need to avoid?

It's like he's created this set of "rules" that don't make any sense and he is insisting on fitting "Pooky is scum because he refuses to read what happened before he replaced in" but he never fills in the blank of "WHY"

Cuz he's not interested in why

He's not interested in catching scum.

His votes this game are "justification" votes, not "I want to kill scum" votes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't think you have

literally happened here:

are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game.

1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

There wasn't a lot to refute because your "case" is paper thin and a joke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if people are in love with STD I am willing to compromise and kill GCray as well

they are my highest tier of Scumread atm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like GCray's ISO takes maybe 2 minutes to "read"

there's nothing there

It's like he's trying to fade into the background like some kind of chamelon and pretend he's not even playing the game or something

it's wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

before 1185 your iso is literally you not doing anything

uh I voted you, lobbied votes for you, got you to almost elimination

I don't know what drugs you have to be on to think that's equivalent to "not doing anything" but you crazy rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

voting people =/= doing nothing.

trying to eliminate someone =/= doing nothing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I might be willing to kill GCray at this point instead of STD if he does some serious thinking about whether I actually do this as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think its still wild that STD thinks Gcray is doing good things when I read his ISO and I can't find a single thing he's actually done.

like does anyone here even think GCray cares who gets eliminated today?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Crayons

like I think at this point Crayons has higher scum equity than STD.

I can see this as Crayons stuck in the awkward place where he doesn't have a whole lot of ways to defend his scum buddy but he doesn't want to bus because he thinks STD can still talk his way out of it.

but I can also see Crayons are being WKnighty and not wanting to get his hands dirty in an STD!Town world.

So on the off chance STD is town which I think is kind of unlikely I can still see GCray getting the rope treatment today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol claiming PR on d1 is not really playing for survival <3

you are adoorable

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky comes in and tunnels std, who repeatedly dismissed his push as being empty (which, for a long time at least, was true), and then starts pushing back on pooky on that alone

roflwhatthelolol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow Osuka pulling out insults when Osuka isn't even living on the same planet as the rest of us

this game is wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Osuka trying to confuse us with his fancy dictionary

possible scumbag here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not voting [3]:

Haschel Cedricson, VFP, Green Crayons

not voting [1]:

Green Crayons

not voting [1]:

Green Crayons

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, Andante

not voting [1]:

Green Crayons

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, VFP

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, Asteria

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, Asteria

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, Asteria

this is gonna be some real useful info after the flip

Not doing anything is scum!indicative.

Also its kind of hilarious STD claims I am scum for doing nothing while GCray literally doing nothing gets a townread from him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also its kind of hilarious STD claims I am scum for doing nothing while GCray literally doing nothing gets a townread from him

apparently in your mind the difference between doing something and not doing something is voting

I mean there's more to playing the game than just voting lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like look thru his ISO and show me one thing that looks like it has to come from a town POV to earn your townread if you want to save GCray

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

your point was that you were voting so therefore you were doing something, and that green crayons wasn't voting, and therefore wasn't doing anything?

my point was you just memeblasted the thread for 3 days and didn't post any reads and your votes were worthless?

no that wasn't my point.

I was replying to Lemons who said we weren't going to learn anything from flipping GCray cuz he didn't vote.

My original post about why I suspect GCRay was that he was barely playing the game cuz if you read his ISO he isn't really trying to do anything and he doesn't seem like he cares very much about who dies today.


Posting Reads =/= my votes are worthless.

Voting someone without trying to kill them = worthless because its meaningless.

When I play this game I try to kill people.

I do this because I believe they are SCUM

Trying to kill people = Doing something.

Voting and not really trying to get your vote target dead = doing nothing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What about your ISO

PookyTheMagicalBear

?

its pretty obvious I am trying to kill people and I actually care who dies today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe i'm a sucker for someone who agrees with me i don't know if he's town i just get that vibe and now i'm not sure i want to kill the slot without giving someone a chance. you're right there's a whole lot of nothing in his ISO but there were a few points I just agreed with and that's more than I can say about some slots in the game.

it's a very valid scum strat to blend in, say nothing controversial, and just write things that people find "agreeable" but add little to no value to moving the game state foward right.

him writing something you agree with isn't town indicative - it's like calling someone town for saying the sky is blue.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

have you really never seen scum try to give the same opinion as a town player

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

-.- this isn't even the first game we played together this year -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

alright if you're gonna play the I'm rusty card you might as well sheep me and help me yeet this GCray character

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can't pretend to not know what you're doing and insist you're definitely right at the same time

that's wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I said a little rusty not that I dont know what I'm doing

I believe what I'm doing is right

ok who do you want to kill ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Andres. Maybe T3. Maybe even salsa that "I hope you're town" really wigged me out

GC could be a power role and gives little to no information if flipped. I'm a better lim target so put me on the list

if GC is a power role, decided to play scummy and then flaked out immediately upon pressure then um that's just him hard throwing lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you really think STD scum says he'd rather die instead of GC

if they're both scum then GC is the one with the special PR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

omg not koba lets kill them b4 they talk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol confscum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the only thing you could even claim at this point is vig

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we already have a claimed gunsmith

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you claiming gunsmith?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok lets just kill koba pretty obv fake claim under vote pressure here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you stop stalling

r u waiting for your scumbuddies to tell you what to claim here or something?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all i see is GC thinking he could get away with not playing the game and then as soon as a wagon showed up on his doorstep he nope repp'd out of the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba stop stalling

claim or die

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you at all consider the fact that GC might have had IRL obligations that led to him having to replace out?

or like do you just assume the worst faith thing about the person you choose to tunnel start of game?

1. i didn't tunnel him at start of game

2. he was fine doing nothing for most of the game

3. as soon as votes came his way he decided to rep out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I said i was PR. thats all you're getting until i get more info out of the game.

it just sounds like you're trying to figure out what's been claimed and what you can possibly get away with claiming.

you replaced into a slot that's sitting at E-2 and who rep'd out in a very shady way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so you can search bar the thread to figure out what to claim but you can't open up the last VC by Dats and scroll foward to see what the current VC is as town? lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea we gucci

VOTE: STD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait a sec wtf is a weak viiglante

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why the f would there be a weak vigilante in a game with a mafia doctor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@datisi

hypothetically if a weak vig were to target a mafia player and the vig was roleblocked, does the weak vig die?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

DKKoba [4]: InsidiousLemons, Asteria, T3, Anya

oh look its all the scummy people trying to kill the claimed vig who should never get near endgame

big yikes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is wild

why would you think a neapo has a gun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would a neapo have a gun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You don't believe me when I say that I am

Sauron, Lord of Darkness

?



PGO/Multi-Shot Vig/Bulletproof Serial Killer ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scum team is just Andante / Andrea / Anya

Calling it.

TRIPLE A I LIKE IT

I DONT KNOW IF ITS TRUE OR NOT BUT BIG BONUS POINTS FOR GOING FOR TRIPLE A

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we're claiming how many guns we have.

I'm a town cowboy. I have two guns, I'm allowed to shoot up to two people a night or go into PGO mode and shoot two people who visit me, I'm looking for my horse who was stolen by a notorious horse-thief known as "Dutch Henry"

I'm a little sad here, Pooky lied about having two guns :/

I'm actually a gun salesman

If you target me I will give you a gun to shoot someone with the next day.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay that shifting claim is definitely worth executing - I find that Town rarely engage in that gamesmanship. You claimed something that would make you less likely to get visited, and you presumably give guns away? C’mon now.

ok but you know cowboys don't exist in normals right? lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay that shifting claim is definitely worth executing - I find that Town rarely engage in that gamesmanship. You claimed something that would make you less likely to get visited, and you presumably give guns away? C’mon now.

ok but you know cowboys don't exist in normals right? lol

Pooky... You have... no guns.... got my hopes up for nothing :/

But what if...

I have..

The Ring of Power

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Neaps can't get false guilties lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean Neaps can't get false innocents.

they can get false guilties.

a VT result from a Neapo is guaranteed VT, there's no role that messes with a Neapo's result.

Except maybe

THE ONE RING

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah so in this setup it most likely clears someone. Why wouldn’t we want to know that?

we do

ofc we want the neap to claim the inno

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm almost thinking we just bite the bullet and yeet koba in hopes that Datisi wouldn't stick us with some garbage role like weak vigilante

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've literally never seen a weak vig in my entire life

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

has any1 ever seen a mini normal with a weak vig?

cuz right now for us to believe Koba we'd have to believe the mafia have a roleblocker and a doctor to fight a weak vig?

ffs that should never pass review right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but datisi is the most scum-sided of all the normal mods :/

his heart is filled with darkness

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i know he's laughing at me right now

its times like these I really wish I had gotten a scum role pm :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't get why you guys want to flip the claimed TPR on d2

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sometimes people miss :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i should really read this asteria thing huh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

anya why do you want to kill asteria?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do not like how pooky hasn't done anything today...

I don't understand the Asteria wagon and I'd love for someone to explain why Asteria is like definitely scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe Anya

I just really want one of the people who are super sure that Asteria flips red to like lay out why Asteria is flipping red here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it doesnt matter what I think

it matters whether YOU are super sure asteria is flipping red

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um Neopos are not limited usefulness PRs

but you might as well give me your reasoning/though process on why she is scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i kinda dont really want that responsibility cuz I could just be wrong.

I just want to know what every1 is seeing in Asteria's play that makes them want to kill her even when she's claiming a Neop

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm like not really down with eliminating people just cuz nothing is going on

if I lose to scum I want it to be because I made shitty decisions, not cuz I didn't even try to play

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they are when they're non-consecutive night and likely to get NK'd in the interim.

if they are likely to get NK'd why would we use an elim on them?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

p-edit only likely to get NK'd as town. i said this in the context of the worst case scenario where we flip asteria and it turns out the claim was real.

ok so if we let her live, wouldn't whether she gets NK'd or not give us valuable information about her alignment?

like if you're saying she definitely gets shot as town, why not give the scumbags a chance to kill her?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In conclusion. I think we have a maf neo, but if it's town, this will be high on scum's radar to kill...

um

then we'd have a

mafia roleblocker (according to koba)
mafia doctor ( according to first page)
mafia neo..

thats a pretty loaded mafia team

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i never said she definitely gets shot, but point taken.

i mean you said she'd be not a very useful town PR cuz she'd get shot at night

but getting shot at night is pretty damn useful? helluva lot better than needing to use an elimination on them tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its kind of dumb to elim a claimed vig tho

its not like koba can not shoot forever unless the mafia have an ungated roleblocker

and an ungated roleblocker seems way OP

anya feels super scummy :>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

alright we have claimed so far:

weak vig
non-consecutive neopo
informed gunsmith
probly 1 mafia goon?

so we probly have at least 1 scum in those 3 claimed roles unless we r playing vs Doc/Traitor and gunsmith can only find 1 bad guy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you elaborate on your thoughts on anya?

@pooky still waiting on a response to this

she feels surface level and not really trying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange

Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what opportunistic vote hop

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

have you actually read my posts?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like im pretty sure i'm the one who started the GCray wagon so you saying I hopped onto it opportunistically is just not even rooted in reality lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It felt like Pooky unexplainedly flipped from one wagon on town that was losing momentum to another that gained momentum.

i was literally the person who changed the momentum from one wagon to the other...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Andante has been killed night 2. she was a

town informed gunsmith

.

the sun rises. it is now day 3.

wait what was Andante informed of

andante was informed there are 4 guns in the game

she told us this on d1

andante was shot over asteria because asteria isnt even active on n2

kinda leaning towards voting koba because for me to believe their claim it would have to be a ungated roleblocker and a mafia doctor against a weak vig + informed gunsmith... and that's like looking pretty scumsided

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its early and we missed twice and i want to see what everyone else has to say

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its strange you shouldve brought up the gun number to push asteria but you didnt

means you know asteria is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a slip on your end

maybe you are a bulletproof traitor and our vig is actually bad enough to shoot you twice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the setup is mech based rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz if i miss i can always blame the NRG

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ive always said i think anya is scummy