Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[PawnsGambit]

VOTE: vfp

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I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

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If your attacks were believable then I might consider it.

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WIFOM much?

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Nope, but if I were a betting person I would bet town.

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VOTE: Save The Dragon

Being hyper aggressive and then backtracking once you're called on your bluff *IS* scummy.

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I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

that's me!

who said i wanted to fight

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Not wanting to back up your arguments makes me believe you don't really believe it.

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This is mafia not kum-ba-yah.

As far as osuka and andres, while it's entirely possible they could be scum, I think it's counterproductive to assume that scum are acting in a pro town manner unless there is evidence to presume that. This seems like a too townie to be town fallacy.

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"Kum ba yah" is a spiritual ritual and song where people hold hands and sing in unison for enlightment. It is often used gramatically to suggest one is being thin skinned.

As far as looking like town, one would think the point is to look like town, but it is often harder than it looks, especially when it comes to voting off your scummates. Different players have different strategies as how to fit in to the town agenda as scum.

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Of course I agree, but you shouldn't vote someone out of the game for doing something pro town, regardless of if they are good or bad.

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Obviously I always vote scum, but in this case the actions indicate they are town in my opinion. The evidence that they are scum trying to look town is just not there.

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VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

You're basing their scumminess on their username?

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I meant to quote the "save all the dragons" post, sorry.

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Is Anya a Buffy reference?

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VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

he's still on the plane while all the others have already jumped and started skydiving

You're basing their scumminess on their username?

no but it's hurtful to what he stands for i'd like for everyone to be treated fairly

Ok I admire your position, but I think from a scumhunting sense I'm making more sense here.

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It's not a good sign when you are more understanding of the crazy people than the sane ones.

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This is way over my head.

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Anya has it all figured out obviously.

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

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Case by case.

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Castling is done in almost 90% of grandmaster chess games but what do I know?

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I googled it.

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That doesn't help protect the king though.

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I suppose that's a decent strategy.

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That's why you shouldn't vote out players for being obnoxious.

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What's the most insightful post?

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first of all: “we”?

The Town.

i literally started the post you quoted with “as scum”

i’m not ready to call that a slip but that’s one of the weirdest posts i’ve ever seen from you

Scum slips are rare. And I don’t make them.

What I was saying is that we do run the risk of letting Scum get away with a few easy executions, yes. That’s a risk. But that only happens if the players being pushed don’t fight back. If they do, and we can correctly read the reactions, then we can move on and find a better target. People tend to more actively participate when they’re under pressure. I am tired of letting Town skate by just so that they can be made easy targets later in games.

Shouldn't you be more worried about scum lurkers than town lurkers?

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VOTE: vfp

feels like he's entering a shopping centre and treating it like a boxing ring looking for a fight with sales assistant osuka the confidence seems unfounded

Possibly quite right.
Regardless Osuka is scum. Its a generic scum reaction to try and be toxic to get focus away from yourself.
Unless Osuka is just like this as a person I'm going to need a lot more convincing here.

Flimsy reasoning. I like osuka's scum hunting strategy in general.

VOTE: VFP

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I see a lot of people being judgemental on the quality of posting considering it's so early in day 1.

As far as osuka I think he's trying to converse with a wide variety of players which I think is an effective tool in developing reads.

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oh, i didn't know you were talking to me. I have a slight town lean on andres due to decent activity and lack of concern about appearances.

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It's just a general feeling I'm not going to wallpost about it.

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I am not impressed with RMHs entrance as there are an overabundance of scumreads.

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Yourself?

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I'm torn between weather osuka is obvtown or if he might just hurt us in the long run by not listening to feedback and thinking that he's always right.

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I did a breif read through osuka's scum game in

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74913

and my initial gut is that he's town here.

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That's just the thing though, I'm suspicious of players that don't self evaluate.

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Because you've been a fairly one note player so far.

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A large portion of the posts you've made have been regarding how high of an opinion you hold of yourself and the low opinion you hold of other players.

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I don't see what's good about Roberts entrance or why it's defendable.

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If you're going to OMGUS you could be a little less obvious about it.

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I'm not refusing to discuss reads. I'm merely saying that they are light reads at this point in the game and not to be blown out of proportion.

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I can tell Osuka is trying to sort people by conversing with a wide variety of players. This to me is genuine scum hunting.

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It's day 1, if you're going to condemn players for not being die hards you're going to have a long list.

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But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

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It's not a topic change; you're changing the topic from Robert by directing it to me.

I'm not required to have hard reads this early in the game and you're not going to get anywhere by pressuring me. I think I've touched on a nerve by pointing out Robert's scummy entry and I think some of the people voting for me could very well be Robert's scum buddies trying to stop pressure on him.

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If you're voting me and not voting robert then you're defending robert.

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not asking you to have hard reads, asking you to back up the claims you've already made.

if you'd like to talk about robert as well, go ahead. i'm all ears

p-edit i am actually defending everyone im not voting. i think everyone is town except the person im currently voting, at all times

This is a pretty stupid approach to mafia.

I've already made my case on robert.

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But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

Who is defending me?

Are you condemning me for not being a die hard on day 1?

Immediately after I suggested your entrance was scummy there was an immediate backlash. It's called reading the room.

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I am not impressed with RMHs entrance as there are an overabundance of scumreads.

I am not impressed with RMHs entrance as there are an overabundance of scumreads.

I mean, he scumread me for a meme vote on the first page of the game... something feels off abot him. I get he just subbed in, but like, being overly critical of posts this early?? it's like he's trying to find the easiest pushes tbh

getting bad vibes from Andante

VOTE: Andante

for the Robert reaction

VOTE: PawnsGambit

let's try it

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

Do you know that osuka is town, by any chance? If so, please let us all know, this would be very useful information.

speaking of useful information, please answer my questions in 405. dodging good faith questions about your reads does not make me confident that you're actively invested in finding scum.

I'm not refusing to discuss reads. I'm merely saying that they are light reads at this point in the game and not to be blown out of proportion.

There would have to be something that makes you think "Oh, Osuka is scum hunting". What is it?

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So to re ask my question and make it clear, at what post did you feel Osuka was scum hunting?

I can tell Osuka is trying to sort people by conversing with a wide variety of players. This to me is genuine scum hunting.

pawniard yet again dodging a point-blank question with a one-line post devoid of any substance. i've been reading osuka as town as well, but your inability to point to any concrete reasons or posts that make you believe so beyond "he talks to a lot of people" is very troubling. a majority of your posts are less than half a line long. you're either town who's too lazy to play the game, or scum who's to lazy to pretend to.

VOTE: PawnsGambit

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Because I think VFP is also scum.

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Lemons more so than you. My solve right now would be Robert-VFP-Lemons

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But there's a small sample size of interactions to base the actual solve upon.

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the backlash is wagoning me rather than wagoning robert.

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I'm not upset about it. I'm just noting the game dynamics.

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You know there is likely 3 scum and not 5 right?

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Look at the number of scum in the last 10 mini normal 13 player games.

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Why would I want to commit to something I'm not sure of?

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It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

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I'm not irritated by anything, if anything you're irritated that the majority of the players are null or town on me and that I'm not townreading you.

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It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

for the millionth time on this page: what the fuck?????

why is being not concerned with making friends a reason to scumread someone?

Being overly antagonistic usually leads to getting yourself eliminated rather than your scumreads.

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It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

for the millionth time on this page: what the fuck?????

why is being not concerned with making friends a reason to scumread someone?

Being overly antagonistic usually leads to getting yourself eliminated rather than your scumreads.

if you need evidence contrary to this shit tier theory, literally just look at any of my past games

Maybe you have a endearment towards others you're not aware of.

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However, it does look like you got eliminated on day 2 for being "annoying" in boardgames.

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Sorry to annoy you.

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If Robert thinks everyone is innocent, why does he have so many scumreads?

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You have a problem with that?

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Osuka is one of the most townish players in the game and VFP has been attacking him.

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unfortunately I only have one vote.

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He likes cats.

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Also, he OMGUS'd me.

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There's no fun in mafia!

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I think I am low hanging fruit tbh. You have a little different personality and a few people line up like wolves. Not the majority though.

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I'm concerned with the number of salsas scumreads as I am with Robert.