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[Robert M Hunter]

Hello everyone! Do you need help tracking down scummy rodents? I am feeling a little peckish.

[Robert M Hunter]

• Osuka is too funny to be scum, therefore is town.
  
• Andante is ragging on his buddy in this here post: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701574
  
• Haschel Cedricson sounds tentative here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701760
  
• Asteria is town for this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701772
  
• This post by Andresvmb is something a filthy rat would say: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701800
  
• Bad manipulation here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=35578
  
• I agree with Save The Dragons' posts so he must be town, but it's possible Andres is ragging on his buddy https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12701981
  
• Aimless questions are scummy: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702107
  
• Anya voting her townread is like catnip to me https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702212
  
• The answer is "meow": https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12702235
  
• Green Crayons asks a lot of pointless questions. Haschel too!
  
• Insidious Lemons made only two posts and both are terrible.

KITTENS
Robert M Hunter MaxTheFox
osuka
Asteria
Anya
VFP

AMBIGUOUS
Save The Dragons

SCUMMY RODENTS
Andante
Andresvmb
Haschel Cedricson
PawnsGambit
Salsabil Faria
Green Crayons
InsidiousLemons

This game is horribly balanced! What corrupt reviewer let this pass?

[Robert M Hunter]

there are an overabundance of scumreads.

I noticed that too!

ఠ ͟ಠ

[Robert M Hunter]

Also, I've officially developed my first Strong Townread.

Please please let it be me

(♡∀♡●)

[Robert M Hunter]

Yeah I'm torn on Osuka from games played.
Town games, he's just an edgy xQc fan.
Scum games he is as I said previously as more direct anger of being caught / fake anger to re direct. The only difference is he winds his neck in a lot more as scum, I guess to appease the player list instead. So it will be interesting to see here. I'm betting a double down.
Maybe Osuka is just going for town edgy again here though.

this just feels like scum latching on to someone who suspected them as a basis to effort post

Why latch on a cantankerous player like osuka? Aren't there targets that may not flinch quite as much when poked?

[Robert M Hunter]

Robert, you have a billion scum reads, but haven't voted, why is that?

If I vote one, I let 999,999,999 scum go free.

Joking aside, I'm hoping to slowly migrate some of these early scum reads out of the litter box as the game goes forward.

Is there a way to subscribe to the thread?

[Robert M Hunter]

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

Do you know that osuka is town, by any chance? If so, please let us all know, this would be very useful information.

[Robert M Hunter]

Do you know that osuka is town, by any chance? If so, please let us all know, this would be very useful information.

Do you have any actual reads?

Reportedly, one billion scum reads.

How many do

you

have?

[Robert M Hunter]

@robert how serious was your readlist? what do you hope to gain by not voting? also, you're sort of automatically subscribed to any topic you've posted in. you can click "view your posts" in the top left to keep tabs on which threads have new posts (coloured icons instead of greyed-out ones). there's a more specific "subscribe topic" function which i believe gives you emails, that you can find at the bottom left of the page.

Sorry I was so excited about the last part that I forgot the questions.

My reads are dead serious pre-page 12 reads. I haven't decided who to vote for yet.

[Robert M Hunter]

But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

Who is defending me?

Are you condemning me for not being a die hard on day 1?

[Robert M Hunter]

I am caught up, I read regularly even though sometimes I do not post.

It's entirely my fault, but I have yet to interact with players directly, which is my favored method for evaluating alignments.

Did I miss a

GLADIATE: Bob Hunter

somewhere in Pawn's iso?

[Robert M Hunter]

Serious question though, why is Osuka trying to control the game?

When I read this, my mind immediately jumped to the possibility of

Andante

-scum being salty about osuka controlling the game. My scum read on this player slot remains unchanged.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

I still very much like

Asteria

's pointed and fearless presence.

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

Haschel

is still pretty bad, with the lurking and the no-follow-up idle questions. Along with

Andante

, a top scum read.

I do like

Insidious Lemons

' boldness but there is a case to be made that he could be scum going after the low-hanging fruit. I am not comfortable reading this slot today.

I am so entertained by

osuka

's posts that I would resist voting him even if he confessed.

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

My town read of

VFB

is unchanged.

KITTENS
Robert M Hunter MaxTheFox
osuka
Asteria
Anya
VFP
PawnsGambit
Save The Dragons

AMBIGUOUS
InsidiousLemons

SCUMMY RODENTS
Andante
Andresvmb
Haschel Cedricson
Salsabil Faria
Green Crayons

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Andante

[Robert M Hunter]

You know there is likely 3 scum and not 5 right?

Number of scum reads > Actual number of scum

MIND BLOWN

[Robert M Hunter]

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

[Robert M Hunter]

Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

This is salty enough for me to throw you in the town barrel. Well done, my friend!

[Robert M Hunter]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

explain

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

so... you think this slot is scum? why are you being so soft on gc?

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

why does doubling down make him townie? do you think pawn vs lemons is tvt? tvs? svs?

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

what the fuck?

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

explain

Re: Anya - my evaluation is subjective and I can only provide more subjective wording. Superficial? Light? Not getting down to the grit? I hope to have more clarity as the game advances.

Re: Green Crayons. Am I really soft? Andante is higher in my scum priorities right now. But point taken, I should harass, bother and annoy Green Crayons more. It's now on my to-do list.

Re: Pawn - doubling down

may

make him more town than scum. I could also say it doesn't make him auto-scum for it. I keep a open mind that this player may have rolled town.

Re: Salsabil - 'nuff said.

Re: STD - gut.

[Robert M Hunter]

you can't have "grown to like" STD and then say "gut" when asked why. are you people allergic to providing specific post numbers? or even any general explanation of the kind of behaviour that makes you lean town on him?

I did provide post numbers in earlier posts, so no I am not allergic. I certainly

can

have grown to like a player as town on "gut feeling"

This post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706508 comes chronologically after my evaluation but the vote for Andante makes me irrationally happy.

My STD read could absolutely be wrong, so one can say on this DAY 1, it's a

light

town read.

My "strategy for developing reads" does not meet your approval: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706546 but you are very generous to call it a "strategy." I acknowledge that players town-tell as well, and it's an important aspect of the hunt.

[Robert M Hunter]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

this is amateur hour

let's see how many times i have to quote that over the course of the game

Since you are displeased with other people's answers. please take the time to illuminate us with your wisdom, which hopefully include the correct and "professional" answer to the question.

[Robert M Hunter]

Re: Anya - my evaluation is subjective and I can only provide more subjective wording. Superficial? Light? Not getting down to the grit? I hope to have more clarity as the game advances.

Re: Green Crayons. Am I really soft? Andante is higher in my scum priorities right now. But point taken, I should harass, bother and annoy Green Crayons more. It's now on my to-do list.

Re: Pawn - doubling down

may

make him more town than scum. I could also say it doesn't make him auto-scum for it. I keep a open mind that this player may have rolled town.

Re: Salsabil - 'nuff said.

Re: STD - gut.

this is a terrible post disguised as mediocre

you sidestepped my prompt about your anya read. you just found different words to say exactly the same thing as before. So instead of asking you to explain, now i'm asking you to elaborate

in regards to green crayons: why not push both? there's only limited time on the day so instead of sticking it in a fucking to-do list why don't you just actually go do it if you think you have a reason to? why on earth do i have to tell you to push your scumreads?

in regards to salsabil: why are you angleshooting? if there truly is something that you would say that would get you modkilled, why the fuck would you point that out? what's the purpose of that? this is ridiculous[/quote]

I am noticing that no matter how players answer your question, they excite your ire. This leads me to believe that your inquiries are theater.

What are your current reads and evaluations of each player? Thanks.

[Robert M Hunter]

11. vfp also constantly says the dumbest shit on the planet and they god pissed at me for seemingly no reason, but it didnt feel like it was a scummy push - just a stupid one. not particularly towny but not my first exec choice
12. gc is a weird slot that says correct things but i'm afraid some of them might be iioa. i want to iso this slot at some point
13. asteria makes nearly zero sense to me and i will try to interact more with this slot, because at the moment i can barely make sense of anything they say, let alone the slot's alignment. this is a weird slot because it's hard to understand the thought process, assuming there is one, so it's extremely difficult to infer purpose and intent

Can you flesh these out since you're so smart?

[Robert M Hunter]

osuka why are you letting the lurkers slide?

[Robert M Hunter]

further, how am i supposed to push a lurker? there IS no content for me to base a read off of

Call them scummy for lurking, for starters.

[Robert M Hunter]

I changed my mind, Andante is town. Deal with it.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Pooky

[Robert M Hunter]

I changed my mind, Andante is town. Deal with it.

what's the post that did it for you?

754
759

[Robert M Hunter]

Daddy prodded me.

I read players posting that Pooky is hard to read.

I hope you're right about Andante and I'm wrong.

STD suggesting I fell for Andante's AtE struck me as scummy.

[Robert M Hunter]

Why would scum enter the game going "YES IM SCUM"

I thought it was modkillable to pretend to play against your wincon???

[Robert M Hunter]

I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.

Yes that obvious but i was trying to be discrete.

It must have been obvious to STD, too.

STD IS SCUM.

[Robert M Hunter]

lmao I had that same reaction, not sure that saying it's obvious I was a pr is a towny line?? but if it was obvious, why were you voting me? don't you not wanna vote out PRs??

I unvoted you the moment it became obvious, that's why I viewed STD's comment that I was unvoting because of "AtE" with suspicion.

[Robert M Hunter]

I crumbed my role in my first post.

[Robert M Hunter]

So I guess it's just general meta to claim a PR now days.
No one has even been put to E1 and we have 2 claims.

I've just finished a game where there were 3 PRs claimed day 1 and 1 was scum.

UNVOTE: Robert M Hunter

Personally I don't support this kind idlf mentality in general.
I'll take a re look in the morning to see who I vote.

I wasn't at E-1, but everyone scumreads me so it was only a matter of time.

[Robert M Hunter]

i'd like to state for the record i don't think you're bad at this game, i have never said that nor will i ever. it's not how i play.

- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned

* ok, so what? my reaction to votes on me. I don't think I've really ATE'd much this game, want me to just sit here going "guys I'm bad! take it easy on me!!!" cause I'm not doing that, I know I'm not complete trash at this, and my main goal is trying to figure out who is scum and who is annoying town right now.

you're using AtE right now, saying woe is me. it's not about being bad or good. you actually successfully utilized AtE to get Robert to believe you are town.

example:

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

now i get this can come from frustrated town. but the fact that it got someone off of you raises my hackles a little bit. on its own it doesn't mean much but in conjunction with the rest of my points it leads me to believe you rolled scum.

... how the heck is that ate?? I was pissed off IRL, told yall I was just gonna go away instead of throwing out personal attacks. I wasn't trying to appeal to anyone's emotions.

You are literally REACHING for every "reason" I can be scum... and you know you're reaching too. again, setting up for my town flip, cause you know I'm flipping town. "this can come from frustrated town"


I'm done conversing with you, this is literally going no where.
@anyone who is town, if you can't see why dragon is scum from this exchange this morning. whatever

It's interesting that I might have been the only player to see STD as scum, and you voted me.

[Robert M Hunter]

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

I thought those were pretty strong hints.

[Robert M Hunter]

was your earlier posting totally in earnest, or was some of your posting just noise ("humor") mixed in with real reads?

All real, but maybe a bit of exaggerated page 5 confidence.

[Robert M Hunter]

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

Like, do people want me to claim? cause we're not voting me out, I'm important. I'm the doctor the red one

I thought those were pretty strong hints.

In the initial post of the game we were told that mafia for sure has a doctor.... and the fact you didn't realize that means you didn't read it, and that further supports you being scum, just saying... Cause I know town would actually read the paragraph about what this setup is.

I knew this but it still sounded to me like a roundabout "hint about being a PR" and "run and hide behind the known role."

Was I wrong about you being a PR?

[Robert M Hunter]

So I know how many people "have guns" this game, but I think if I out that number it only helps scum

Not really, the existence of a mafia doc suggests the town may have a killing role - one that you could unwittingly uncover.

[Robert M Hunter]

Are cops common?

[Robert M Hunter]

I also have no clue if tracker shows as having a gun, so that's a fun one

How did you draw a conclusion not knowing the answer to this question?

[Robert M Hunter]

I also have no clue if tracker shows as having a gun, so that's a fun one

How did you draw a conclusion not knowing the answer to this question?

which conclusion?

The conclusion that it's impossible for there to be a tracker.

[Robert M Hunter]

I could vote T3.

[Robert M Hunter]

The pyrrhic victory sounds amazing.

[Robert M Hunter]

I don't understand players calling me scum when they can pretend to think I'm super town and get their wish of me night killed by tomorrow.

[Robert M Hunter]

I don't understand players calling me scum when they can pretend to think I'm super town and get their wish of me night killed by tomorrow.

this is the most absurd post of the game so far

assuming youre town, which i dont think you are, why the fuck would scum want to nk you?

Speaking of absurdities

Because I'm the tracker.

[Robert M Hunter]

robert what are your reads

T3 is scum.

[Robert M Hunter]

if it came down to it, I'd vote STD, but STD and pooky are both literally town, why can't we find someone outside we agree on...

I'd vote T3 if there was momentum.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: T3

[Robert M Hunter]

i don't think i would vig you

if i said this was a vig crumb and claimed vig, would you believe me?

100% I mean, who's to say Robert isn't VT baiting a kill right now, I'd love to just leave him alone for the moment and try to find someone else...

They’re not. You need to think more strategically because this is garbage. If I’m of some importance to my Team, then typically I fight hard, hide my claim (to make sure it’s useful), and only claim it when I absolutely have to. Does RMH fit that pattern to you?

When I claimed, not a single player had expressed a sentiment of finding me townie, everyone that weighed in on the topic of my alignment wanted me eliminated, so I had no choice.

[Robert M Hunter]

are you seriously starting a flash train on a slot nobody's made a real case on

The protector of lurkers has spoken.

[Robert M Hunter]

i don't think i would vig you

if i said this was a vig crumb and claimed vig, would you believe me?

100% I mean, who's to say Robert isn't VT baiting a kill right now, I'd love to just leave him alone for the moment and try to find someone else...

They’re not. You need to think more strategically because this is garbage. If I’m of some importance to my Team, then typically I fight hard, hide my claim (to make sure it’s useful), and only claim it when I absolutely have to. Does RMH fit that pattern to you?

When I claimed, not a single player had expressed a sentiment of finding me townie, everyone that weighed in on the topic of my alignment wanted me eliminated, so I had no choice.

this is the stupidest post in the thread by an order of magnitude

this is the stupidest post in the thread by an order of magnitude

[Robert M Hunter]

Robert, do you have multiple accounts here? or is this your first one, meaning this is your first game?

First game.

[Robert M Hunter]

are you seriously starting a flash train on a slot nobody's made a real case on

The protector of lurkers has spoken.

if you seriously think flashtraining a slot only because they're lurking is a good idea then i have news for you, buddy

you're a moron

It's in fact an excellent idea.

you're a moron

[Robert M Hunter]

are you seriously starting a flash train on a slot nobody's made a real case on

The protector of lurkers has spoken.

if you seriously think flashtraining a slot only because they're lurking is a good idea then i have news for you, buddy

you're a moron

hey. be nice!

sorry my niceness has run out because the ridiculous amount of stupid shit that's been said in the past half hour is starting to kill my brain cells

You mean brain cell

[Robert M Hunter]

are you seriously starting a flash train on a slot nobody's made a real case on

The protector of lurkers has spoken.

if you seriously think flashtraining a slot only because they're lurking is a good idea then i have news for you, buddy

you're a moron

Why are you so intent on engaging RMH like this? If you think they’re Scum shouldn’t you be ignoring them?

absolutely not, because if nobody ever engages with scum they can just coast to endgame. you need to keep them talking so that eventually they do something that makes it extra obvious that they're scum, or maybe turns out you got your read wrong and they're actually town. that's okay too, but the only way you're gonna find out is if _someone_ talks to them

this is the stupidest post in the thread by an order of magnitude

[Robert M Hunter]

since this is your first game let me retract some of what i said about you being a moron. everything else stands

this is the stupidest post in the thread by an order of magnitude

[Robert M Hunter]

like i'll cut you some slack here but i can't sit here and say yeah it's okay to flashtrain a lurker because that's just actually fucking stupid and it's anti-town, because that's essentially a random slot you're lynching and statistically that slot is town

Not if you believe that lurking is alignment indicative.

that's just actually fucking stupid

[Robert M Hunter]

Haschel and T3 have been objectively scummy, but osuka's brain cell can only perform one task, which is insulting other players indiscriminately, so he's not making the effort of examining Haschel/T3 content, paltry as it is.

Hey maybe osuka is scum, has anyone considered the possibility?

[Robert M Hunter]

like i'll cut you some slack here but i can't sit here and say yeah it's okay to flashtrain a lurker because that's just actually fucking stupid and it's anti-town, because that's essentially a random slot you're lynching and statistically that slot is town

Not if you believe that lurking is alignment indicative.

that's just actually fucking stupid

you can't make the blanket statement that lurking is AI

Yes you can, I just did.

[Robert M Hunter]

osuka, robert, you 2 trying to continue a fight will only discourage others from jumping in and talking here, so please. I ask that we keep the focus on finding scum, osuka, if T3 is town, who are some options instead. you're voting vfp, but that vote clearly isn't happening here, so where are your thoughts?

He can't possibly have a town read on T3. That would be absurd.

[Robert M Hunter]

osuka, robert, you 2 trying to continue a fight will only discourage others from jumping in and talking here, so please.

There’s some Scum motivation in this too. Make a fight look sufficiently annoying and pollute the thread, and drive Town apathy. I’ve seen it before.

Look, the osuka's insults were cute at first, but after gratuitous insult #145,565,112 I personally has had enough and he can go play in traffic.

If you want to look at who is polluting the thread, why are you pointing at me, instead of the one who regularly quotes a whole page just to say it's the "stupidest post" he's ever seen? Again and again?

[Robert M Hunter]

killing a random slot

It's. Not. A. Random. Slot.

Patron saint of lurkers

[Robert M Hunter]

osuka, robert, you 2 trying to continue a fight will only discourage others from jumping in and talking here, so please. I ask that we keep the focus on finding scum, osuka, if T3 is town, who are some options instead. you're voting vfp, but that vote clearly isn't happening here, so where are your thoughts?

He can't possibly have a town read on T3. That would be absurd.

and you couldn't possibly have a scum read on t3

that's my fucking point, genius, you can't have ANY sort of read on a slot that has produced zero content because there's nothing to get a fucking read from

It's not "zero content" - it's 100% scummy content, all of it.

[Robert M Hunter]

I'll do it, but fuck you in advance for when you boringly and predictably call me wrong and a moron for my effort.

========================

This is very early in the game and Haschel is picking hard at Andres while sucking up to you. You're probably to vain to see it. He asks a question about a

subjective

judgment, then nit picks. And comes at Andres again and again.

Now I'm not sure if Haschel is sucking up to a townie and picking on another townie, or sucking up to a townie and ragging on his buddy... or buddying up to his buddy to persecute a townie... chances are it's the first scenario but anything is possible.

I don't see this coming from town.

Andres, you said that osuka's reaction seemed genuine. Can you elaborate? What would an ungenuine reaction from osuka look like?

Andres, you said that osuka's reaction seemed genuine. Can you elaborate? What would an ungenuine reaction from osuka look like?

He called me out for lying, which I obviously was since I was simply entering the game and throwing out nonsense. My perception is that osuka would have tried to buddy me if they were not being genuine. Like agreed with my post and voted the same player, or immediately placed me as Town (since I was quite obviously extending an olive branch). Instead, osuka gives me crap about putting misinformation out there. And then later, they question me for “defending them”. That seems like a Town player actually concerned about getting pocketed. So it earns a pass from me.

Mmm, that doesn't quite jibe with me. You clearly were making a joke and expected for it to be taken as a joke. Osuka's reaction of not believing you (prudent) while not acting like it was a blatant joke (not prudent at all) would be the last reaction I would expect.

I can explain what I was trying to do and you guys can tell me what you think.

I didn’t have a strong read of osuka when I first approached the game. But, last time we played, I failed to listen to them (in a way that clearly hurt the Town, since they were correct and I wasn’t), and so I wanted to let them stay in the game, provide input, and see where it lead. Yeah, they’re pretty tricky to read. But I thought I would give it a chance.

Let's talk about this. Can you explain what you mean by "letting them stay in the game"?

As an aside, the game has been open for less than 24 hours; nobody is a lurker yet. Osuka, you have more posts than the second and third most prolific posters combined. Dial it down.

Let's talk about this. Can you explain what you mean by "letting them stay in the game"?

Not voting for them and asking for their thoughts.

That is a bizarre way to view the effect of a single vote. But putting that aside, can you show me where you actually ask for their thoughts?

PREVIEW EDIT re 225: Osuka don't you dare comment on this.

That is a bizarre way to view the effect of a single vote. But putting that aside, can you show me where you actually ask for their thoughts?

Did you expect to directly ask: can you give me your thoughts on x?

Yes, I do expect that.

Because I haven’t done that.

Ah.

I did however suggest that we vote the player asking for more votes on them. That’s me directly wanting to interact with someone.

That's not you trying to learn Osuka's thoughts; that you trying to get Osuka to go along with your thoughts.

You could just read my posts also.

I did, which is why I asked the question.

[Robert M Hunter]

PookyTheMagicalBear [4]: Salsabil Faria, Robert M Hunter, Save The Dragons, InsidiousLemons

Look who was sitting on Pooky, who you’re defending. And look where Pooky’s vote is. How can you really not find the compromise vote onto T3 to be Scummy as all hell?

You're calling it a compromise vote. I'm not.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

I would vote T3 here... that slot has just had no significant contribution, half me just feels we'd be better just killing it, and living with the consequence of it, cause like, we can't make a read off nothing... at least everyone here has had something relevant, that slot? is a mess...

VOTE: T3

Like this is the sequence. Just when you’ve been fighting Pooky who is the alternative to STD. Do you not see the obvious here?

And you won't vote T3, and osuka won't vote T3... maybe that's what we should be looking at.

[Robert M Hunter]

Prod acknowledged. I am at work and about to head on the road so deep dive will come later. Quick note before I go, though:

Like in all honesty I would rather get executed quickly than spend a whole lot of time re-reading this game when I’m getting pushed for entirely bullshit reasons.

"Scum being upset that they are caught for the wrong reasons" is one of my favorite recurring tropes in these games.

Unvote

.

Funny story, Haschel was still random voting Green Crayons when he unvoted. Haschel is hinting that he finds Andres scummy and suggesting he is upset for getting caught for the wrong reasons.

But Haschel doesn't vote Andres, he just unvotes Green Crayons.

[Robert M Hunter]

Robert, there is nothing alignment indicative with not wanting to yeet someone with no lines...

I just want you to realize that Robert’s viewpoint makes no sense at all. I have a SR of them (I don’t even recall putting out a read of T3 at all btw), but me not “wanting to vote T3” is where they should be looking? C’mon it’s totally unrealistic and absurd. Robert is almost surely Scum (and bad at hiding it), and the Scum are sinking themselves trying to defend them and each other. If STD flips Town, I’ll be amazed.

I'm town, and I was being sarcastic re: your manipulative BS.

[Robert M Hunter]

Huge honking, blinking manipulation of Andante.

Maybe Andres wants to eliminate the tracker during the day so he's free to night kill the gunsmith.

VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

I would vote T3 here... that slot has just had no significant contribution, half me just feels we'd be better just killing it, and living with the consequence of it, cause like, we can't make a read off nothing... at least everyone here has had something relevant, that slot? is a mess...

VOTE: T3

Like this is the sequence. Just when you’ve been fighting Pooky who is the alternative to STD. Do you not see the obvious here?

[Robert M Hunter]

You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or

everyone I TR

at least.

[Robert M Hunter]

did you read the part of the game where i voted robert

I know my alignment, so that's not to your credit.

[Robert M Hunter]

Maybe Andres wants to eliminate the tracker during the day so he's free to night kill the gunsmith.

This speculation is ridiculous since the Gunsmith is most certainly a high value target for the Scum. Just useless speculation.

You know, you need to try and show more nuance in your Scum game. Like you’re actually considering what’s going on. Just SR’ing me when it’s convenient seems bad. Not everyone that’s SR’ing you can be Scum. So maybe I could be going wrong. But you’re just resorting to attacks. That’s what’s getting you killed here.

I've been nothing but courteous, but at some point TONIGHT I've had enough being called a moron. Why are you misrepresenting?

[Robert M Hunter]

You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or

everyone I TR

at least.

I'm going to elaborate on this, this is Day 1, and Andres wants to punish a player for "pushing town" consistently.

Day 1.

For not agreeing with his town reads, and for not voting his scum reads.

Do you guys here consider this townie behavior or scummy behavior?

[Robert M Hunter]

I've been nothing but courteous, but at some point TONIGHT I've had enough being called a moron. Why are you misrepresenting?

I wasn’t talking about personal attacks. I was talking about the way in which you’ve approached my probing. It’s an immediate instinct to attack and deflect. Not to understand my point of view.

What probing? You'e done no probing, you just mindlessly call me scum. I'm supposed to "understand" your "point of view?" This isn't a therapy session. What could I possibly say that would satisfy you? "Oh yes Mr. Andres, I totally understand why you think I'm scum, here's your bill, see you next week!" or "I'll try to play in a way that corresponds more closely to your expectations of a townie, here's your bill, see you next week!"

[Robert M Hunter]

You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or

everyone I TR

at least.

I'm going to elaborate on this, this is Day 1, and Andres wants to punish a player for "pushing town" consistently.

Day 1.

For not agreeing with his town reads, and for not voting his scum reads.

Do you guys here consider this townie behavior or scummy behavior?

I’m just curious - what are you hoping to achieve? I think it would be hard for you to argue that me expressing my opinion on the way that I have is coming from the point of view of a Scum player. If I’m Scum, what motivation do I have to jump in the ring and make any decision at all? I could have put a stale vote out, let you all eat each other as you were doing anyway, and stay above the fray. Unless you think I was defending my buddy in Pooky or something.

You think it's a reasonable opinion to judge a player's alignment on Day 1 on whether or not their reads fully align with your own?

It's like you are bullying other players to scumread me. What is the town motivation to do this to a claimed PR on Day 1? I cannot fathom.

[Robert M Hunter]

Why do you care to satisfy me if you’re so sure I’m Scum?

You are so manipulative.

Did I say that I'm sure you're scum??? Am I voting you??? Is misrepresenting things a way of life for you?

[Robert M Hunter]

Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

???

Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

????????????

do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

Why did you fail to criticize Asteria for what you’re criticizing me for now (the liking someone because they have similar reads thing, which presumably I’m doing the reverse), and focused on osuka’s attack instead?

I didn't criticize because I didn't need to... osuka did it first. Why didn't osuka call

you

out for it, in addition to Asteria? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Robert M Hunter]

This is very early in the game and Haschel is picking hard at Andres while sucking up to you. You're probably to vain to see it. He asks a question about a subjective judgment, then nit picks. And comes at Andres again and again.

Now I'm not sure if Haschel is sucking up to a townie and picking on another townie, or sucking up to a townie and ragging on his buddy... or buddying up to his buddy to persecute a townie... chances are it's the first scenario but anything is possible.

I don't see this coming from town.

Also, if Haschel was right to push me (since I’m Scum), why do you want the slot executed? Or do you think that’s bussing from Haschel? Because c’mon now, that seems rather hard to believe don’t you think?

I don't know your alignment.

The scenario you suggest isn't impossible. Why do you think it's so impossible?

[Robert M Hunter]

I didn't criticize because I didn't need to... osuka did it first. Why didn't osuka call you out for it, in addition to Asteria? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is laughable. You weren’t agreeing with osuka’s push. You were clearly trying to minimize osuka. Around that time you asked them for their reads since they were so full of wisdom. This just isn’t believable at all.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[Robert M Hunter]

suggest

So you’re actually pushing a universe where the Scum are Haschel/T3, osuka, me? That’s your purported solve?

What are you talking about, that's not "my solve" and number two it's Day 1, don't ask me for a "solve." I don't have that kind of arrogance.

[Robert M Hunter]

I didn't criticize because I didn't need to... osuka did it first. Why didn't osuka call you out for it, in addition to Asteria? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is laughable. You weren’t agreeing with osuka’s push. You were clearly trying to minimize osuka. Around that time you asked them for their reads since they were so full of wisdom. This just isn’t believable at all.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

You are saying that you didn’t have to criticize Asteria for it because osuka did it. But you weren’t on the same side with osuka, praising their push, agreeing with the criticism. You were criticizing osuka instead. You can’t do the revisionist history you’re doing here and think I’ll believe it. If you had wanted to criticize Asteria’s reasoning, you would have done so. Instead, you derided osuka for their “wisdom”, saying they keep defending lurkers (an attack you have maintained). You can’t now go back and say I didn’t have to do something because osuka did it when you were plainly focused on shitting all over osuka that’s absurd.

Ugh, what?

I think the issue is that you see the game as

extreme super villains

vs

flawless super heroes

, black and white, and I'm just there on Day 1 fumbling around imperfectly trying to figure things out the best I can, always considering that I may be wrong. You don't get my mindset, I don't get yours. You judge me to be scum for it, you wrongly assume that I judge you to be scum as well, but in reality I have no fucking idea what you're doing other than it makes no sense to me and I have no idea what your alignment is. I made that clear to you but it's not registering.

[Robert M Hunter]

I don’t believe this is your first game. I just don’t. It’s your first game, but you know to crumb a role as Tracker in your first post? Try to display humility here and claim you don’t have a solve? Push certain things with full confidence at others? Nah. Something’s way off about you.

It's my first game

here

. How is this alignment indicative anyway?

[Robert M Hunter]

extreme super villains vs flawless super heroes, black and white

this is exactly how the game is

join team super villain

superheroes stink and are boring

Where do I sign up?

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

[Robert M Hunter]

I'd rather turn the annoying people into steak if I'm going to vote for no reason of mine...

[Robert M Hunter]

I don’t believe this is your first game. I just don’t. It’s your first game, but you know to crumb a role as Tracker in your first post? Try to display humility here and claim you don’t have a solve? Push certain things with full confidence at others? Nah. Something’s way off about you.

It's my first game

here

. How is this alignment indicative anyway?

Not directly. But Andante defended you as if this was your first game of Mafia ever and you clearly didn’t correct the record immediately. Can you post links of the forum you used to play at?

No.

[Robert M Hunter]

I owe you nothing.

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Crayons

Reading Salsabil today convinced me that he's town.

[Robert M Hunter]

1453 is a bit weird. "I could have [...] let you all eat each other as you were doing anyway" is a strange line from someone who isn't supposed to know who's town and who's scum

WOW

That's a really, really good observation.

[Robert M Hunter]

he literally started the previous sentence with "if i'm scum", that's clearly a hypothetical

Sorry - that wasn't in the bit InsidiousLemons posted, I didn't realize that.

Question: Why am I scummy for agreeing, but the person I am agreeing with is not?

[Robert M Hunter]

My pushes don’t have to be “nice”, and I don’t have to like shit reasoning against my slot.

You're a

pure arrogant person

, I don't think I actually want to play with you and

osuka

in any other game anymore.

I don’t understand why you would play Mafia and expect that you would just be constantly praised for everything you say, even when you’re wrong. Makes no sense to me. I’m not playing toxic, I keep asking you to reevaluate and you keep failing to do it. You’re just constantly shading me, yet I have to sit here and take it because your think skin can’t take criticism.

I think I already stated earlier I'll touch your slot on Day 2. And it makes no sense that the person I'm scumreading, I'll take

their word

to re-evaluate them who literally doing nothing town indicative which can make me re-think atp.
And yes, I'm a thick-skinned person, most probably cause I shared a pretty long time by getting bullied and for that, I refuse to tolerate any kind of misbehave with me anywhere. There is a difference between criticism and misbehave, but I don't think you're capable to understand that as you're

using.game.to.be.toxic

.

I support you.

[Robert M Hunter]

But I mean RMH’s contributions after being mostly sidelined? Agreement on a sentiment irrelevant to the game with Salsabil, agreement with Insidious in the silliest way, some real time lurking... like how is this Town? I’m so confused.

Not a single player thinks I'm remotely townie, so I am less and less invested in spending time thinking about the game because I have no credibility, every time I post players find me scummier, so I post even less and stop giving a shit altogether, which makes me scummier and round and round. I've been called scum nonstop by you and the stupidest person alive by osuka.

Why should I waste my time when even the most benign post I make gets shit on?

[Robert M Hunter]

Andres. Maybe T3. Maybe even salsa that "I hope you're town" really wigged me out

I'd like to vote Andres just to get rid of him, I'm up for T3, but not Salsa.

[Robert M Hunter]

dadddddddddddddddddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Robert M Hunter]

But I mean RMH’s contributions after being mostly sidelined? Agreement on a sentiment irrelevant to the game with Salsabil, agreement with Insidious in the silliest way, some real time lurking... like how is this Town? I’m so confused.

Not a single player thinks I'm remotely townie, so I am less and less invested in spending time thinking about the game because I have no credibility, every time I post players find me scummier, so I post even less and stop giving a shit altogether, which makes me scummier and round and round. I've been called scum nonstop by you and the stupidest person alive by osuka.

Why should I waste my time when even the most benign post I make gets shit on?

hey i never called you the stupidest person alive

Oh please, now you're trying to inflate my ego?