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VOTE: pawnsgambit

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VOTE: osuka

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let's see some more osuka votes

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VOTE: Andresvmb

changed my mind, this one is scum

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that's me!

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I don't find Osuka's self vote or Andres fake claim particularly scummy. Scum generally try to blend in on day one rather than stand out. I would rather look at the people attacking Osuka and Andres.

i think one or both of them might literally be scum pretending to stand out to look town

believable yet? COME AT ME BRUH

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so you really think it's impossible for scum to stand out d1

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who said i wanted to fight

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who said i was backtracking

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i already made my case against andres why do i need to fight him

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i don't recall saying i didn't want to back my arguments up

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gut

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i already made my case against andres

gut

wat

case = scum sometimes are loud to pretend to be town
reasoning = gut feeling about this loud person being one who is pretending to be town

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you do that, i'll just keep voting scum

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pawnsgambit i have a question

say Haschel continues lurking up top in the plane while everyone else has started parachuting down

do you send a queen to yank him out or slowly push forward with your pawns to assess what he does?

I like it when people say they intentionally acted weird and are somehow surprised when someone calls them out on it

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I dunno why that quote is there

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osuka, what's you're read on Andres?

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green crayons and haschel cedricson, are you happy with your votes?

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pawnard, what do you think of Andres?

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dragon saver i want a question too i hope you don't have something against me i get that reaction sometimes

what do you think of pawnard?

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while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Ah yes, 2 of yall called it town, that's why it stuck with me, like, if anything, I've had more meltdowns as scum than town... not sure why a non game related thing sold 2 of you on salsa being town...

are you scum reading both of them?

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pawnard, what do you think of Andres?

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i guess you're not a pokemon fan?

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oops it's pawniard my bad

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getting bad vibes from Andante

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you are way too defensive about being 1/7th of a scumread

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daddy

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like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

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like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

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like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

I think osuka was saying that your response was fake.

??? yeah i got that lol

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i may just be surprising

will try to respond better when i get a little more time

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what's your take on vfp's push?

I honestly haven't given it too much thought because i'm reading you as town.

I don't quite buy that being toxic makes you scum, but i have seen scum use toxicity to their ends, so i'm not sure if i agree but i don't mind the headspace they're in. 275 is a little weird because all they seem to do is say you post NAI and positive things in their PBPA. I feel like scum in that situation finds something to pin on you instead of just kind of throwing their hands up. I mean they repeat the point about toxicity being scummy but...eh?

plus i use my gut a lot and it's pinging for some people and not really for VFP at the moment.

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like really do 279 and 280 strike anyone as genuine? asking the room

they look like they could be fake

this looks like it could be fake too

could be but i already did say i was getting the heeby jeebies

yeah that's fair

can you put your finger on anything

it's just weird. she lazily tosses out a scum read, then later says it's too early to scum read. she says she's sus of two people due to responding to salsa's reaction, but doesn't pursue either, and instead goes the OMGUS route. it seems pretty clear she did not like being targeted by Robert, but the question remains is all this nervous energy she has because she's caught scum or because she just doesn't like being targeted?

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pawnard, what do you think of Andres?

Can you refresh your read on me? You seem mighty interested in what others think of me. What’s your take?

I'm town reading osuka and he seems to know you, so i wanted his take.

I'm scum reading pawn and he barely mentioned you so i wanted to force him to comment about you in case you are scum buddies.

you also seems suspicious about what the cat said of you. it's that same "why are you targeting me" nervous energy. I don't know. my gut reaction has died down a little but i'm still not necessarily convinced. I don't love your entrance, i don't love your vote on me with your "i'm not going to shy away from a fight" message. I don't like 238. 344 bothers me too but i can't quite put my finger onto why.

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Robert, you have a billion scum reads, but haven't voted, why is that?

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VOTE: PawnsGambit

let's try it

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But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

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who is defending robert, can you elaborate? this is the second time you mentioned it and i'm having trouble finding it

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If you're voting me and not voting robert then you're defending robert.

oh honey

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who is defending robert, can you elaborate? this is the second time you mentioned it and i'm having trouble finding it

can you take another shot at this question

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But it's a little concerning how heavily Robert is being defended.

Who is defending me?

Are you condemning me for not being a die hard on day 1?

Immediately after I suggested your entrance was scummy there was an immediate backlash. It's called reading the room.

get your hands dirty

name names

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why aren't you voting robert?

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and me and lemons?

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VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

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that was to pawniard who thinks voting for pawniard is defending robert for some reason

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you mean going back to the guy i was scumreading most before?

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i was just returning my vote back where it belonged

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you’ve said something about getting nervous vibes and gut but not much else that i recall. do you have anything you can point at?

Let's see

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

This is going to be a long game isn’t it?

This pings my scumdar. Can't really grasp why. More of a gut read.

At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

Again, why does he trust you so much?

I’m not going to shy away from a fight if that’s what you want.

Confrontational. Like he's trying to stir shit up.

I might have lured the Scum out though. That post 67 seems like Scum who can’t decide which Towny is an easier push.

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Actually this may be a point for him he seems to genuinely update his read

You know what I’ve learned from playing more than a few games around here? The Scum like to control the game state only when they absolutely have to (unless the Scum have a few really seasoned or skilled players, and there’s just not that many players like that out there). If they feel we’re closing in, then they start pushing back. Otherwise? They let the Town eat themselves. The easiest way to avoid that is by getting the harder players to read to either post or die.

Okay I like this

If only I could care as little about helping as this player does. My life would be filled with far less stress.

This is kind of look at me i'm totally town guys

@Green Crayons can you post? What’s going on? You actually tried to stay somewhat involved as Scum last time we played and revealed your alignment somewhat quickly in my eyes. Are you trying to avoid that here?

I mentioned I didn't like this but didn't say why. Again a lot of gut based on tone, but it just seems disingenuous as a way to build a relationship rather than legitimately curious.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Maybe I need to calibrate my read for his playstyle. Or maybe my gut has caught scum. Who knows?

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starting to doubt my town read on Robert

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but i think i'll vote for VOTE: Andante for now i think i may have talked myself out of voting for Andres

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do you just hate cats?

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you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote

so i'm wondering if you're just allergic to cats or something i dunno

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why exactly did you think VFP was scummy again?

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do you have anything else on VFP?

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Dragons has VPBaltar vibes so i'm going to say probably town

what does that mean

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84245

i skimmed the early posts by him but he seems less aggressive in the linked game.

It was more to try and have people react to my play, which was more aggressive than usual.

it's weird that he calls it out in this game, not sure where i land on that yet.

In the linked game there's a level of defeatism in some of his posts like "eh, I suck at day one" which is replaced by bravado here ("it's going to be a long game, isn't it?"). I thought he said something similar in our game about day 1 but I can't find it now. whatever

the point is i'm not sure this helps his case in my eyes, is there something more specific (or at least a synthesized blurb) you are pointing to with his early behavior that matches the behavior in our game here?

can you elaborate on your town read of andres for me?

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Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.

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Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.

?????

Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

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do you just townread people who have the same reads as you? what the fuck? i can't think of a worse way to play the game

either you have no genuine reads whatsoever and you're just making shit up and going with it as you go, or it's just _that_ easy to pocket you and you're a liability. which one is it?

Save The Dragons and I have very similar reads overall which at least means, since I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset, that there's a good chance Dragons is too. I think that's fair for a D1 read. The +1 for sharing the insidious read for Andante was a weak point which is why they're still in my scumpool. We just had the exact same thoughts (which could easily come from scum, again, why they're still in my scumpool). The pocketing thing was a joke, I'm not actually pocketed. I did genuinely thing the readslist was ok though.

This feels like scum to me. "I'm sharing those reads with a town mindset" like, it's a weird response to the lines quoted idk

i'd hate to add more question marks to this post but

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VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

Thank you!

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Someone else finally seeing that post as scummy too

no my question marks are at you going "thank you"

you're killing my fucking brain cells

Just a phrase, relief someone sees my side

never mind the fact that both of you are wrong and ive said that several times already, what the fuck does 560 add to the conversation?

you act like you know he's town but i'm still missing the reasoning

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Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
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Green Crayons - Town
Asteria – Sus
PawnsGambit – leaning town
VFP –
Haschel Cedricson –
Salsabil Faria –
Osuka –
Robert M Hunter -


Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at

for curiosity's sake, you've sus'd me twice but haven't posted any reasoning, what is your reasoning to think i'm scum?

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i act like i know asteria is town? i don’t think that slot is town at all but i can’t really find an angle i really feel like locks that slot in as scum for me

you act like you know andres is town

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but i'm still missing the reasoning

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i check the site off and on throughout the day so i can try to be online in a couple hours depends on work tho

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VOTE: Andresvmb

i think you should change your definition of the word defending tho

Why did you change your vote from

PawnsGambit

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i think pawn is hella weird but i'm not so convinced at the moment that the weirdness converts to scumminess. i've still got an eye on him but i think i like voting other people for now.

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Salsa can be town for laughing at my joke

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I'm concerned with the number of salsas scumreads as I am with Robert.

can you give a reads list

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i kind of want to get annihilated by pooky

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fuck yeah

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GREETINGS IT IS I ANCALAGON THE BLACK

LET US PREY UPON THE ANDANTES OF THIS WORLD, FALSE DRAGONS WHO COWER BEFORE CATS

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GREETINGS IT IS I ANCALAGON THE BLACK

LET US PREY UPON THE ANDANTES OF THIS WORLD, FALSE DRAGONS WHO COWER BEFORE CATS

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you want to prey upon a dragon? doesn't your name.... imply saving them...

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are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

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andante how do you handle pressure in chat mafia (you're the one who said you played that, right?)

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I always have the time of my life

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we kill Gandalf today

join me forces of evil

yeah i don't think this is happening

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VOTE: Pooky

will you explain this vote for me?

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you may have gotten sucked in by an AtE

why pooky?

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but who are you voting for

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are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

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VOTE: pooky

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gonna start with my andres read before i catch up to whatever the fuck happened in this game

40 and 168 feel like town posts from andres early on.

174 feels funny to me but could come from town or scum andres. i don't like the self meta, but i do definitely believe that scum andres wouldn't try to pocket me right out the gate

then 180 feels like an appropriate response to hc's questions, so more town points here. all the way from this point until 189 he's just straight townposting. 201 makes a really good point and overall his gameplay so far feels like it's happening naturally rather than being fabricated

there is a lot of iioa that follows but in general, it doesn't look like he's deliberately making information _seem_ like analysis anyways so i think that engaging with other players in the way he did could come from town andres. his push on rmh is okay i guess and even though he quickly switches to vfp, that's a slot that i do agree feels really weird and it doesn't look like he just made a push up out of thin air, which is what commonly happens when scum sees a slot that can be pushed easily, which i think applies to vfp. his later posts vs asteria are also okay in my book

overall i think this is a markedly townier game than the last one we played together and maybe i should be irked because of just how towny he's looked like to me so far, but i haven't had a reason to just yet. i'll be reevaluating this slot because he's almost _too_ towny, but again for now i think we have slots that are much more likely to be scum in the game

do you agree he's being more aggressive vs. passive in the game you linked me?

do you think that has bearing on his alignment or he's just decided to play more aggressive in general?

what's your opinion of 344 where he kind of randomly calls out Green Crayons?

i think we disagree on some points here and the posts that bugged me still bug me so i'm probably still going to be asking questions about the slot but i am starting to agree there are much more likely slots for scum. I'm eager to hear what he has to say when he returns from V/LA.

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i still want to know why Robert voted pooky when he did, but i'm starting to wonder if Pooky rolled scum, saw a little heat, and decided to fuck around hoping people would be like "oh that's just pooky" or "oh that's not alignment indicative that's just shit posting"

I know Pooky likes to play around but i'm not sure how normal this is for him if anyone has a better handle on this i'd love to hear it.

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Andante, i'm curious how 823 makes you feel

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of course it could be haschel silently laughing his ass off as we run around in circles

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I've changed my mind on Pooky actually.

why

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do you have any games that back that up? i'll try to take a look as well.

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pooky, is robert a servant of darkness or one of the fellows in the fellowship

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VOTE: Andante

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i am drunk

should i initiate drunkposting

are you better at catching scum when drunk?

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you make me hungry for drunk posting

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@Save The Dragons, why do you think Andante isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

i'm actually giving her some credit for her chat mafia experience here. she could be noob-town but there's a lot going against her

- overreacting to getting targeted
- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned
- her confusing scum reads (seems to think i'm confscum but is voting lemons and i'm not sure what the case against lemons is)
- gut read on the slot

if it were just one of these things i might be just a little wary, but all of them in conjunction are bothering me enough to think she might be scum here.

pedit looks like i got voted

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pooky, is robert a servant of darkness or one of the fellows in the fellowship

This line is literally coming from scum

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let's talk about this

why does it come from scum

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my problem with pooky is that i'm expecting some content from the slot even through the RPing.

To kill two birds with one stone, Andante, i'm assuming that the darkness is Pooky's reads on town and the good characters are Pooky's reads on scum. So me asking about Robert is trying to figure out whether Pooky thinks robert is scum or not. but i'm not sure if his reads are just arbitrary or if he's actually bothered to play the game yet.

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i'm going to do this in multiple posts to be easier to read.

your reaction when I flip green is literally going to be "yeah she's noob, guess I should've expected her to act like that as town" like, you have 0 confidence I'm scum. your "reasons" I'm scum have nothing to do with the actual lines I've said.

i have a lot of confidence in my read, hence my vote on you.

- overreaction to getting targeted

* so what? who literally cares how I react to anything? look at my lines instead. I hate pressure, not my fault, can't help it. I've almost never had pressure on me cause I can towntell so well

i'm willing to believe hating pressure isn't alignment indicative for you. what's weird is that for being one of many scumreads, your first instinct is to go on the offensive and attack. one of my problems is you seem to produce a weak read

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Ah yes, 2 of yall called it town, that's why it stuck with me, like, if anything, I've had more meltdowns as scum than town... not sure why a non game related thing sold 2 of you on salsa being town...

that doesn't result in much because you're focused on Robert.

If you're going to read through and push everyone as scum, or try to find the easiest pushes, rather than go "can I see town saying this?" I feel like you're making reads from a maf pov. Maf doesn't care to find other maf. and there's 0 incentive for them to scumhunt/ bus their partners, I'll put my vote here until Robert clears stuff up, but I don't like his entrance at all

VOTE: Robert

it looks like it's all about his read on you, you make no comment on some of the other "easy pushes" that he tries to make and just focus on the fact that he's targeting you. you seem to imply that robert just picked a bunch of town to scumread and yet this doesn't seem to affect your reads at all (if i'm wrong go ahead and show me).

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i'd like to state for the record i don't think you're bad at this game, i have never said that nor will i ever. it's not how i play.

- appeal to emotion for getting wagoned

* ok, so what? my reaction to votes on me. I don't think I've really ATE'd much this game, want me to just sit here going "guys I'm bad! take it easy on me!!!" cause I'm not doing that, I know I'm not complete trash at this, and my main goal is trying to figure out who is scum and who is annoying town right now.

you're using AtE right now, saying woe is me. it's not about being bad or good. you actually successfully utilized AtE to get Robert to believe you are town.

example:

ah crap. I have 4 votes on me... I kinda hate this.... I'm just gonna dissapear for a bit and hope the votes get off me

now i get this can come from frustrated town. but the fact that it got someone off of you raises my hackles a little bit. on its own it doesn't mean much but in conjunction with the rest of my points it leads me to believe you rolled scum.

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- her confusing scum reads (seems to think i'm confscum but is voting lemons and i'm not sure what the case against lemons is)

* My confusing scumreads? I've given reasons for everything, and you're more than welcome to ask me about a vote/specific read. You'd rather avoid asking me questions, and just go "so confusing"?? Cause that feels real towny to me..

*shrug*

Please answer the following:

Andante, i'm curious how 823 makes you feel

Your case on lemons:

mmmk Lemons recently has been striking a nerve with me, I'm not convinced salsa is town, but at this point, I can't read lemons without wanting to just vote him right now... his "reads" on me make 0 sense, and everything he says is like a matter of fact... no emotion... idk I'm just genuinely getting frustrated by this game now

and Lemons, yes, you're very detached from the game, kinda just looking at/saying facts, stuff maf would do

Please quote anything I missed re: your case on lemons. Please also elaborate any posts that were specifically saying facts. Because it looks like you ragged on him for attacking you.

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ESPECIALLY when your entire argument rides on the fact I'm a "noob"

i'm actually giving her some credit for her chat mafia experience here.

Stop it.

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- gut read on the slot

gut read? I've been trying real hard to find scum, this feels like you putting words down to make your post seem longer to try and intimidate me... Why would any of us here care about a gut read, when your only argument for me is "her reads confuse me, she over reacts, and this is what my gut says" If you're playing this on your gut read, and giving me 0 credit this game, going "she could be noob-town" to set up for me flipping town, trying to discredit anything I say, if anything, this makes me feel more like I'm on the right track.


I'm not claiming to be a professional scumhunter, but let me say, I'm far from bad. And I know you fail to see it, but I quite honestly do. not. care. If you can't actually articulate a read/ give examples of posts, what makes you think your gut is right?? like, nothing you said against me is even relevant without links to posts, so if you wanna go, let's go, I'd love to hear more on how noob/bad I am.


I look forward to your response!
- Andante

i am not 100% confident you are scum. no one should be 100% confident anyone is scum. that's a good way to be proven wrong. it's just who i am.

i. for. the. millionth. time. am. not. saying. you. are. bad.

i never have.

never will.

noob does not mean bad and i have tried to not call you a noob here. I don't think you are noob-town. i think you're scum who knows exactly what they are doing.

if you disagree, please quote me. and i will apologize. but the fact you keep saying it sounds like you're trying to frame the argument a certain way and it is not that way. i don't like it from a town perspective.

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If I were in your shoes, I'd have been like, give me a second, could this come from town?

she could be noob-town but there's a lot going against her

hmm.

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If I were in your shoes, I'd have been like, give me a second, could this come from town? am I just locked into this conf bias pov... no, you continued to reach for stuff against me

sorry, it should read like that.. I need to proofread.. well I actually need to step away lmao this is literally an online game, shouldn't be pissing me off IRL

i apologize this is pissing you off IRL it is not my intent.

i am trying to find scum here and i think you are it. if i'm wrong i'm wrong but i'm here to play the game.

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STD suggesting I fell for Andante's AtE struck me as scummy.

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks this.

why is it scummy?

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why pooky?

@Robert

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VOTE: Robert

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, why do you think

Andante

isn't noob-town but noob-scum?

Salsa, how do you feel about Andante?

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robert, can you give an updated reads list?

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I. Am. Not. A. Vanilla. Townie.

Yes that obvious but i was trying to be discrete.

It must have been obvious to STD, too.

STD IS SCUM.

lol whut

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are you going to answer any of the fifteen billion questions i asked you kitty

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ive been called STD for 17 years if it were to bother me i would have changed accounts by now

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thoughts later

VOTE: pooky for now

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seems like a weak argument considering i voted you before

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@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

@robert if andante didn't crumb a power role are you still suspicious of me because I didn't take it as a crumb at all

@andante if robert were scum he'd know about the mafia doctor so the fact he doesn't plus his PR claim is enough to put him in the town column for now. could be faking it but it seems genuine.

@T3 what do you think about any other slot in the game. It looks to me you came in conclusion first and are now trying to justify it.

@Green Crayons i have no idea what the heck T3 is talking about so i don't know how to respond. i don't think i've "invalidated everyone else" nor am I specifically suspicious of osaka's self vote on its own.

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it's not that i believe it, it's that the slot will sort itself out later in the game. if he's a pro town tracker, he's probably going to get killed later and we'll find out. or if he's scum and is still alive later, we can sort it out then. i think there's a better D1 play here.

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i think it's possible enough for me not to want to touch it at the moment

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whatever, robert lives 1 more day. he's dead tomorrow, I seriously can't with lines like "he's gonna be pro town" he's the most anti town tracker I met, and the way you've been flipping your vote has been like "I'll get anyone but me"


VOTE: Dragons

if i were scum i'd probably try to push this back on robert to save myself lol

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what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

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because i think pooky is scum

why do you tr pooky what specifically has been town

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what evidence do you have that pooky even took into consideration what happened yesterday

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UNVOTE: dragons

ughh I'm having serious doubts on dragons, and I won't get pooky here, and yall won't get robert. we need to find another scum

Haschel/T3?

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Pooky's been playing mafia for longer than I've been alive and I hard tr him so I'm just going to follow unless I can see a convincing case.

so have i

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He's clearly a do-gooder tho!

*burns a village*

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do I have to write out like a thought process and everything

ffs yes

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VOTE: T3

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VOTE: Robert

????????

andante's 3 post case was enough to sway you?

i no longer thought andante was scum after our exchange so I decided to vote my next highest scum read

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VOTE: T3

what????

happy to vote pooky but people seem averse to that for the following reason:

Spoiler:

?????

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are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game.

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what do you think you've done

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did you

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how did you manage that

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go on

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cool

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VOTE: pooky

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don't forget about this trap of pooky's when i flip green

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i'm just confused at this point

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i thought gunsmith was like an investigative roll, you got info n0?

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can you tell me why you thought pooky was a traitor but not possible to be scum

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why would scum pooky literally link a game he played as scum with a gunsmith...

why not

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i voted T3

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how has the game become better for him linking it?

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i don't think it's alignment indicative

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Andante i hand this note to you

don't forget about this trap of pooky's when i flip green

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so why are you voting for me

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what's your read on Haschel/T3

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what's your read on Asteria

why do you think green crayons is scum besides pooky said so

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STD what's your read on Crayons?

nuh uh uh

not going to answer until you say something about the gamestate with facts behind it

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i'm town reading crayons atm sorry.

he's made some valid points and i've agreed with a lot of what he's saying

I'm still convinced Lemons is scum, has TMI and playing too matter of fact-ly

have you pointed out specific posts that support this?

the timing of adante's claim when she isn't exactly primed for an elim, but also it's suuuper weak and not something that would save her from an elim, doesn't strike me as a particularly smart scum play and so probably not coming from scum (~*~noobscum~*~ or otherwise)

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

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i townread the thought process that brought about posts like those

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I'm still convinced Lemons is scum, has TMI and playing too matter of fact-ly

have you pointed out specific posts that support this?

Andante hasn't given strong reasoning for the lemon's case with examples, i agree i'd love to see more examples of the posts she's describing.

the timing of adante's claim when she isn't exactly primed for an elim, but also it's suuuper weak and not something that would save her from an elim, doesn't strike me as a particularly smart scum play and so probably not coming from scum (~*~noobscum~*~ or otherwise)

I agree that her claim is a very strange play for scum and i don't see it coming from scum.

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

i think it's weird that it's a binary too

why do you think green crayons is scum?

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no i don't need it now

i'm saying i agreed with the point when gc made it

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i don't understand your pooky tr

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what is your read on crayons

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are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game.

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Andres if robert's off the table today who would you want to go after

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I'm still convinced Lemons is scum, has TMI and playing too matter of fact-ly

have you pointed out specific posts that support this?

Andante hasn't given strong reasoning for the lemon's case with examples, i agree i'd love to see more examples of the posts she's describing.

the timing of adante's claim when she isn't exactly primed for an elim, but also it's suuuper weak and not something that would save her from an elim, doesn't strike me as a particularly smart scum play and so probably not coming from scum (~*~noobscum~*~ or otherwise)

I agree that her claim is a very strange play for scum and i don't see it coming from scum.

I think I prefer Pooky town here to Dragon.

why is this an either/or?

i think it's weird that it's a binary too

why do you think green crayons is scum?

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1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

it's taking you so long to say that if you had said that posts ago i'd be happy to drop it but you didn't so hmm.

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

and you have yet to make a single case as to why

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

all you've done is make a scum team of three based on no reads, no evidence presented, so no, i don't really think you've done anything even if you'd like to pretend you have

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all you've done is make a scum team of three based on no reads, no evidence presented, so no, i don't really think you've done anything even if you'd like to pretend you have

well when you flip red and then they kill your scumbuddies and they also flip red you can tell me all about how I got lucky or whatever postgame ok?

i'll send you a pm post game for sure if that's what you want

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what am i at

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robert what are your reads

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VOTE: T3

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what do you mean i'm not fighting my wagon? i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game. people are also ignoring T3 has done nothing yet but just jump on my wagon and post nothing but STD bashing posts.

isn't it weird that both replacements haven't bothered to read the thread and instead have just decided i'm scum without much reasoning attached?

that's enough for me

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andante has been trying to derail pooky all day though?

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STD will vote anyone but Crayons... that's definitely weird to me. like anytime there's a wagon, you jump on it...

wrong.

i wouldn't vote lemons when you wanted to push lemons either

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what even is your case on me, andres

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what even is your case on me, andres

that is the question people should be asking but are not asking

what is pooky's case on me? who knows, he won't say.
what is VFP's case on me? who knows, he's voting because of pooky
what is andres's case on me? i dunno, he didn't say
what is T3's case on me? I dunno, he didn't say

isn't that weird...to anyone?

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what even is your case on me, andres

Just look at your ISO. You’ve basically been pushing Town consistently. Or everyone I TR at least. Your push on me was bad, but you dropped it when you realized I was being TR. And then what did you do? You went to push Andante. I mean that alone is enough for me wanting to get you executed. You’re also strongly defending RMH who is Scummy as all hell.

did you read the part of the game where i voted robert or are you just going to glance over that/call that bussing and call it a day

did you read my case against andante before she claimed? did the thought i could be wrong ever cross your mind?

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did you read the part of the game where i voted robert

I know my alignment, so that's not to your credit.

i'm not saying i'm town for that i'm saying we're not scum buddies together for that which is the basis of his argument that he's bullheadedly ramrodding now

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tbh I think Robert messed up his claim by not claiming 1 or 2 shot... cause I don't believe we have a full tracker, which means I'm dead tonight ( but!!! mafia, do you really want to kill me? when I could get a positive gun check on a cop and tunnel our cop... just saying... please let me live

Nice fishing there.
Andante is probably still scum. I'm just throwing this put there.

try again

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And just for someone who really doesn’t know my alignment, they do seem oddly insistent on voting my slot, and casting doubt on others TR’ing me.

i was just trying to ask questions to formulate a read on your slot i don't know that that's "casting doubt"

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why am i red again?

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STD has been towntelling with the reaction. VFP is a strong tr of mine here. Asteria had a terrible reaction at the start of the day to an obvious RVS vote and only Anya seems to notice. I tr Pooky so I think I will leave my vote as-is.

wtf

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Like.. what town explains the null instead of SRs wtf??

lol that's a good point

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I DID state my reason for voting STD.

quote it for me

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i don't know about you, but i'm ~feeling 22~
VOTE: pooky

fuck yeah

VOTE: pooky

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and salsa is my new favorite person

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i've already explained my case on pooky

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i'd rather kill a slot that i think is scum than die

but i'm a vanilla townie so if i have to die that's fine too, i'd just rather play the game! but you'll get a lot of info from my flip i'd look at my wagon, i didn't see a lot of reasoning to vote me from anyone.

andante just please please ask pooky about his trap since i think he's lying about it

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it's weird you say i'm trying to self-preserve when i ignored pushes on green crayons and insideos lemons to go for T3

i've only been switching between T3 and pooky these last couple irl days, not picking whoever

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whoever

whomever

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nope.

just t3 and pooky.

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i tr crayons and lemons and stand by it

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jfc it took you like 4 irl days to finally play the game pooky and you scum read me for no reason what the hell am i supposed to think about your slot

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you've asked me these questions before i think you're just obfuscating at this point

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1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

it's taking you so long to say that if you had said that posts ago i'd be happy to drop it but you didn't so hmm.

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

and you have yet to make a single case as to why

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

all you've done is make a scum team of three based on no reads, no evidence presented, so no, i don't really think you've done anything even if you'd like to pretend you have

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jfc it took you like 4 irl days to finally play the game pooky and you scum read me for no reason what the hell am i supposed to think about your slot

uhhh pooky subbed in? spent 1 irl day meming, then got fairly serious...

i recall a lot more time memeing then i guess

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i don't think you have

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and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

before 1185 your iso is literally you not doing anything

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you voted people yes but you didn't give any reasoning for all anyone knows you were just pulling things out of your ass

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*cough cough i voted T3 as well cough cough*

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when i flip take a hard look at andres who seemed to decide i was scum and then made the world fit that view

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at this point i think you should vote me out because i think you'll learn a lot as a town

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DADDY?

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VOTE: unvote

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guys i think pooky might be town

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VOTE: andres i guess??? idfk anymore

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at this point i think you should vote me out because i think you'll learn a lot as a town

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goodbye cruel world

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lmao there was only one vote on me i thought there was like 7

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why do you hope i'm a town

don't you learn just as much if i'm scum

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...but if you're wrong, you caught scum

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std why are you voting Andres

i don't think he's hunting i think he picked the answer first and tried to justify his reads

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std why are you voting Andres

i don't think he's hunting i think he picked the answer first and tried to justify his reads

And I think you’re blatant Scum. The people for some reason seem to be giving you a pass for your shit push on Andante, but I don’t easily forget.

See, among the more obvious players here, Andante is clearly Town. The confusion around their role, their emotional defense when pushed, their constant probing and voting. You can tell they’re not aligned with anybody and are trying hard to progress the game. Yet you insisted to push them only until is was completely untenable. But no consequences for you. How amazing.

yes i stopped pushing them when it was obvious they were town. when they fumbled the claim and constantly started voting like crazy. the emotion point i do not agree with. but you may want to read again and find out when i stopped pushing andante, it's not how you have it in your head apparently

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Also its kind of hilarious STD claims I am scum for doing nothing while GCray literally doing nothing gets a townread from him

apparently in your mind the difference between doing something and not doing something is voting

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My pushes don’t have to be “nice”, and I don’t have to like shit reasoning against my slot.

and yet you didn't really defend the accusation you're not hunting

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okay when was i supposed to know Andante was town

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My pushes don’t have to be “nice”, and I don’t have to like shit reasoning against my slot.

and yet you didn't really defend the accusation you're not hunting

I don’t have to defend against such obvious nonsense. Anybody can read my ISO and figure out what I’m doing.

if it's so obvious humor me