Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[notscience]

VOTE: bulge

Serious vote

[notscience]

Y’all leave not mafia alone until I have time to read him tyvm

[notscience]

I mean kinda? I haven’t seen scum him as town yet but I don’t find him as big an enigma as everyone else

[notscience]

Yeah yeah FL

[notscience]

Something something track record of low availability sundays something

Beetle juice something

I have to put in my truck order then drive home.

[notscience]

That’s adorable.

Also nacho posting this much is prob +scum anyways

You drawn scum since you’ve been back yet?

Sorry I’m salty now and can’t focus on my truck

[notscience]

I am good at sounding town but not good at the long haul

That’s probably the easiest way to describe it.

[notscience]

Kismet I do intend to answer your questions but I have some of my own for you first if you don’t mind!

1)why do you think I voted bulge
2)what exactly do you think is readable in his reaction

[notscience]

Since we’ve been back we’ve been in like 10 games together

Hydra in two

Town together once

Against each other 6 times (I’m down 2-4)

So my first and foremost goal is to bring that to 3-4 because gamblers fallacy says bc I drew town he has to be scum

[notscience]

And note me being down does not mean I’ve misread him

I’ve lost for other reasons. I’m usually pretty solid with him.

[notscience]

I mean I believe it enough for an entry vote in a game that he hasn’t even posted in by the time I make it

He hasn’t really inspired me with his posting either, but he gets time.

I don’t think he’s done anything really AI yet, nothing out of scum range.

[notscience]

Everything I’ve just said bulge is aware of. Almost everyone else glazed over it but you lasered in on it, so I was curious.

Ninja-
I think I know. I have it down to two.

[notscience]

If it’s my first pick you’re probably my strongest townread!

[notscience]

That’s adorable.

?

[notscience]

VOTE: nacho

This is a cordial invitation to dance when I get home

[notscience]

Can both of you put avatars in I’m too lazy to read names I like looking at pictures

Pls and thx

[notscience]

Or we could let the game breathe and if we really can’t come up with a better option and need a deadline scramble then we decide to go there

[notscience]

I bet mena eats his vegetables before his starches

[notscience]

Also assuming we’re talking about the game I was scum in too

I knew he was scum but I was scumreading him like in my town lens

So meh I don’t think he’s that had to read

[notscience]

[quot

Notsci please @ me when you're also townreading salsa

Salsa's not bad. Wouldn't bet the farm. But I mean this is a stance I expect from you irrespective of alignment.

Maybe, site meta at this point seems to be for scum to not tunnel and for town to not SR tunneling, but this is a good point regardless.

Meh I dont really think anyone thinks likes this as scum

Im not saying I think you're scum for this I just disagree.

tbh I'm kind of thinking scum!nacho is getting his buddy NM out of the way so that he can direct a nightkill onto a townie of his choice rather than only being able to kill a miselim-able townie during the day.

- lilith

Tentative townread here. Skitter's posting has also been fine.

to engage noddy at all is probably +town for nacho though imo

I was thinking about this more

I feel like I have to chase the engagement more when I am town and he is town as well so thats another HMMMMMMM issue

Also i like notsci so far!

why?

How many games of theirs have you played in/seen? I remember skimming a bunch of their town/scumgames at one point trying to find a pattern and I couldn't really find any

My playstyle relies on people posting a lot of words for me to read them ig

At my core I am gut/tonal. I do a lot of VCA/try to pull different threads to figure out which people have the most overlap wrt certain things (so like, PoE scumpools is something I do a lot).

As for playing with not_maf I vaguely think we have the same homesite but I could be talking out of my ass. Post Hiatus I've played four or five games with him. I misread him in multiball but fuck multiball. Every game we've been the same alignment thus far.

I'm not confident notsci is town, should I be?

I know this is before Mena's townread but I read all the way through while I ate and reread for this post

but to answer this I feel like it's almost a flip of what I expected? I expected to have to work for a skitt/mena townread and to easily get the townread off of nacho/bulge (well the latter wont give his read until one of us is about to die and I make him declare a read so I can tell yall to kill him or not). I don't think I've done anything necessarily out of scumrange however purely on saltiness alone I get more salty as town than scum.

Page 8 Hero Solve-
(Nacho/Bulge (one but not both), Mena hydra, Cakez, L+G, Brave Heart Lion)

Maybe both of nacho and bulge instead of the lion

[notscience]

I had a massive post count in tenet and you scumread me mena

iirc my postcount in Smugglers port was fine D1 and I only pettered it off D2 to try and avoid dooming dats

[notscience]

I’ve only ever been in one team mafia

Jk9 I was low activity EVERYWHERE bc I was working so much

As for the last one I don’t know what other game it would be.

[notscience]

Dancing is no fun if you unvote me before I wake up.

[notscience]

I think a better question is who, if scum, would ask for the sweet release of death first

Ninja-
Yes

[notscience]

If I was scum I’d leave up my buddy who can plausibly quick hammer from either alignment for the record

I don’t hate nachos townreads pool though.

Ninja-
Lord and savior notmaf who is scum

You are my Shepard

[notscience]

You want to dance Cakez? What don’t you like about me

[notscience]

I like that Cakez has all the same townreads as nacho but doesn’t seem to take that into account or comment on it at all in his scumread

/s

[notscience]

Similar views on the game state usually indicate similar POV aka similar alignment

[notscience]

All of your scumreads sans me are in his scum pool lmao

[notscience]

I like

Kismet

,

Salsa

and

Infinity

. Not crazy about

notsci

,

L+G

, or

Venus Fly Trap

. I can have lots of scumreads in this game

Done reading. Disaster Cartel is AWFUL and I do not want to move my vote. Nacho is also just ??????? leaning towards scum. All of the hydras are not good actually.

good

Kismet
Salsabil Faria
Infinity 324

good?

notscience

bad
SirCakez

Leafeon and Glaceon

(beeboy, Mistyx hydra)
Not_Mafia
Brave Heart Lion

Disaster Cartel

(Menalque, Ydrasse hydra)

Venus Fly Trap

(skitter30, lilith2013 hydra)
The Bulge

[notscience]

Pretend I made DC's name red in the second post I missed that one

[notscience]

Like I'm not disputing nacho has been weird because he has and this not_maf business in general is dumb

but I'm a little concerned that you didn't look at that reads list and go "How does my view of the game line up with this" because I think that's a fairly common core town-thought to have. Like yeah, maybe I'm off on your perspectives but not even trying to reconcile that with your reads is concerning.

[notscience]

Page 8 Hero Solve-
(Nacho/Bulge (one but not both), Mena hydra, Cakez, L+G, Brave Heart Lion)

Just reminding myself of this dont mind me

Ninja-
When you see a readslist in game how do you approach it Cakez?

[notscience]

As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”

Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?

[notscience]

I meant n1 not d1 I’m sorry

[notscience]

Sorry nacho, i was more interested in why that path of argument was chosen over others? Like trying to get into how I would decide those kills as scum that was one of my first thoughts.

Nacho and Cakez can dance

[notscience]

in a game with as much scum as this, I'd expect to see a whole lot of ""Agenda"" right at the forefront of discussion, which is exactly what this NM talk feels like

idrk who else I'm vaguely shading there apart from nacho, I was drunk all yesterday evening and only lazily skimmed along, but I'll catch up later and get that figured out.

You better not be a tease. Did we actually draw town together? I expect elaboration because I've had my own mockup I've been watching play out pretty much as expected for it.

@skitter- That works! Like I said, it was just weird.

Ninja-
Meh skitter re:Cakez calling me passive I'd disagree I just played scum with him. In his experienced games with me- Xeno when I got running D2 and tore through scum. Tenet where I was aggressive and controversial and reckless. Legends where I kinda sat back bc everyone else wanted to lead until it was clear I had to tryhard to win the game for us.

Then there's Warehouse and I would define my play there as passive, and here is more like D1 xeno when I sat back or early on in legends. But, I still think hes scum this is a roundabout way of me saying I don't think that is *why* he's scum

ninja-
There's a 0% chance that's cabd lmao. unwnd has crossed my mind as well though that wasn't my two I mentioned earlier.

[notscience]

In case that wasn't clear the first three were town and warehouse was scum

[notscience]

muffin

I don't think it's Prism I still think it's Bell lmao

[notscience]

After that scumbutt voting me actually does things I'll share what I think scum's plan is!

[notscience]

I won't give you a definite for a while as a heads up

I might tease either direction but I'll let you know when I'm confident in it

I think we're on the same page re:nacho and cakez!

[notscience]

If it’s unwnd and not bell it’s not as strong a townreads for me

Also I don’t really understand why bussing is disincentivized in this setup? But I just love to bus I think. But without a doubt scum flips every phase and we are going to have associatives to work on

[notscience]

Oh if it’s Bork than holy fuxk it’s town

In my defense my eyes glaze over 2181 talk because I’m trying my best to move past it

[notscience]

Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia

[notscience]

He claimed Miller can you confirm that please?

[notscience]

Who’s scum bulge

[notscience]

Former and don’t be a tease

I’ll be around after work

[notscience]

that is typically what you do when you replace into a game, yes

[notscience]

Spoiler: I've shown you mine now show me yours

I don't understand what you're asking here. I as scum would sacrifice NM over other people because NM has the lowest floor of anyone here. If another scumpartner was struggling more or a strong townplayer got put within hammer range that might be a different story but otherwise I'd default to sacrificing NM.

I think we have a fundamentally different approach. As scum, I think my strategy would be one of (Get out the people who have no longevity as scum>Get out the least information to town>Get out the weakest player)

When I'm talking about scum longevity I am referring to players like myself or infinity who, if scum, would fade out as the game goes on and become increasingly obvious scum. Like after you explained your approach it does make more sense, but at the end of the day NachoMamma can still be down if NachoDaughter and NachoSon have awful interactions with them.

this post is irking me
why say "we can dance" notsci?

The first part I was talking about his choice in rhetoric, I figured that my point I was making was more likely and was confused why he chose *that* venue to push. I get it a little more.

As for why I wanted you two to dance, Nacho wimped out of his dance with me and I was unimpressed with your ISO at this point in the game! And I haven't felt warm fuzzies about nacho either! So I was like "sure I'll let yall bus each other idgaf"

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

-Mena

I disagree that scum don't want to bus, we are going to get a scum flip each day and have that information to analyze. I think anyone with weirdly unnatural townreads on a flipped scum sticks out more than weirdly unnatural scumreads? But that might juts be me. As I've mentioned I do enjoy bussing and in a setup where I'm FORCED to lose a buddy daily regardless of what I do, I would likely want the towncred from it. But I'm not as well versed in other's scum mantra.

Somebody else already made this point.

Notscience brought up this point. Your response was that you didn't know my reads because you were skimming. That's not good enough for me.

It wasnt good enough for me either but theres only so many ways I can rephrase my question before I get annoyed

But I think Cakez is town at this point so this is all moot anyways

nacho i'm trying to believe but you're making it very hard

cakez came at you and you just aggressively postured at him in a way that doesn't make me confident you're trying to figure his alignment out.

I stopped reading popcorns main thread when we were playing our game in the dead pt but I did catch glimpses of cakez/nacho arguing

but I almost feel like nacho's playing up some like disappointment card to make Cakez buy into their TvT angle? I quoted one of his chastising posts above. I don't really feel like hes trying to sort Cakez so much as box him in.

But bork man i totally forgot abt you but you're really cool and i'm happy we get to play again and you're like just town here lol, id u need me to explain later i can but the gist of it is u feel super different to that normal in the same way that enabled me to identify town-you in tenet + i think you're out of the scumrange i've seen + i dont think scum-you would be nearly this proactice or nuanced

Likewise, bork's burnt on scum

Dude's town as shit

I'm not sure there's a good approach to this other than just letting it play out - my treatment of Cakez here is an anomaly in that it's not a way that I've approached someone as town in the past and hope never to approach someone as town in the future. It is something I use often as scum.

The only difference between this and when I use it as scum is the target - I generally leverage an approach like this when I'm trying to discredit someone who can read we well or I'm trying to mislynch someone who should never ever be mislynched.

Aren't you Mr. "Playing Scum is True Freedom"? I mean I do agree that how you are approaching Cakez feels like how you'd approach someone who was scum, but why not apply this in an instance to try and get someone to be more focused on winning over your favor than divining your alignment?

Nacho your tone is like just super super super off

This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.

You two are bad tonereaders.

Wrt Infinity am not surprised because he just seems to be stuck in tunnel mode.

Wrt skitter I'm still waiting for your scumread to evolve past its premise.

worse
L&G
VFT

I don’t get how you got from the first to the second, wouldn’t chastising someone for not being good at tone reading imply you think they are town, yet they are in your lowest scumpool?

i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn

i like vft/nacho/kismet to varying degrees

i have also kind of disliked infinity's push on us - there was this one part where she repeated some of the stuff i mentioned being the reasoning for me being low motivation that just felt odd

~leaf

I agree with VFT and Kismet, think notmaf is null as fuck and disagree with nacho and cakez. Why do you think Nacho’s the town side of their interaction?

I think due to the nature of this setup read lists are bad for town.
Mainly because scum want to eliminate themselves and you'd basically be directing them who to get rid of.


Mind games ect ect.
Town motivation ect ect.
Are both valid arguments against this though as I've had this discussion a few times, I haven't spoke to Mist about this at all.

~Glaceon

People tell me all the time readslists are bad for town because they give scum a roadmap to kill

But scum is obviously going to target people who are seemingly immune to suspicion anyways so this is dumb

Can you show me one instance of scum recently pushing a policy lynch? I haven't seen it in a while but I also haven't been active in a while so maybe my experience is a bit skewed.

Wouldn't that literally be the exact reason scum would do it? That's some shit I would do as scum

I feel like people in general don't usually push policy elims nowadays

People have been saying this as long as I have been playing the game and I am convinced they were saying it before that as well

y'all are goons. I do far less then this as scum.

~Glaceon

I actually agree that this is more than Ive seen scum-beeboy do

But posting volume is something that can be guilted from a hydra buddy so meh

I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.

Expand on Nacho please?

[notscience]

Hot take: Nacho is planning on dying d1 as scum and bussed all his buddies so they could ride the towncred

I feel like it's coming off I'm tunneling but I'm really looking more for townreads and havent really found a reason to townread him

[notscience]

The Bulge is a tease

I’ve gotta go pick up my glasses I might be around after

[notscience]

Can you talk to me about nacho and I’ll look when I get back? I’m trying to see him as town and I just can’t.

[notscience]

I don’t think bulge is out of scum range

Re nacho I have been patiently waiting to play vs him as scum since he’s been back and have only seen town each time. The level of engagement here is higher which could just be to real life and I can’t talk because my availability is lower. But I haven’t liked how he’s approached Cakez, and nacho did say that his approach would be the same as if he were scum but he would use it on someone with a history of reading him right, which almost felt like a discredit of Cakez as well. I frankly think scums plan this game would be to bus and coast off the residual townreads. Also PoE is not in his favor, I’ve got four townreads of varying strength already and I need what, three more to have it fully PoE’d?

[notscience]

Dunno

Who should I be voting Notmaf

[notscience]

Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

[notscience]

My big issue with Cakez’s vote there is how delayed it was. Like I feel like the action was very delayed with the thought and came across too slowly. Like he had to make two separate posts about it

[notscience]

Bulge hasn’t done anything yet, I’m surprised Cakez is townreading him to be honest.

I agree about his tone being over the top, and idk if you’ve already considered this skitter but my stance is it could be from town in the same venue that yours/a few others got annoyed between tenet and 2181 if that makes sense? It does take a bit to cool off.

[notscience]

Maybe? I was the first to die so it was the longest for me

I do agree I’m just playing devils advocate. I still think scums game plan was to sac some people and powerbus but it’s really tricky when so many of the plist is good at standing out as town

[notscience]

My quick five minute meta skim says angsty Cakez is town Cakez

[notscience]

Another day another missed opportunity to chat with nacho

I’m still at work

[notscience]

Excuse me sir you owe me a wall

[notscience]

Bork, remind me, what’s the third rule of Cobra Kai Karate?

[notscience]

Like mine in popcorn were? >_>

[notscience]

Yeah I picked the one person out of my four scumreads that was actually town, and then my reads were ignored and my (correct) call that duchess was godfather was ignored

But I don’t care to split hairs about past games. You are doing this fearmongering and I’m not buying what you’re selling

[notscience]

My main point was its hypocritical to ask me to do something you would not do yourself.

My bottom line is I’m going to play this game my way. So far I’ve seen you try to discredit Cakez (and yes I don’t know you well enough to know all that and I’m not pretending to). You’ve now tried to pull ATF with myself and Bork and seem more invested in fearmongering than explaining which reads I *should* sheep you on. If you want me to sheep you then give me a case, give me reasoning, don’t give me this malarkey.

[notscience]

If you are town and we are incorrectly pushing you, who is the scum capitalizing on it? You are townreading all your main pushers as far as I can tell

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

For now.

[notscience]

If you were scum who would you be playing around nacho?

[notscience]

Open question, what’s my biggest weakness as town?

[notscience]

Skitter I’m expecting not to like the answers I’m trying to figure something out but it’s hard to be objective

[notscience]

Bork, you too please. I’m judging if my analysis is correct.

Pedit- That kinda lines up with where I’m going, honestly.

Pedit2-

You don’t have to be! I’ll explain more once I get more feedback.

[notscience]

What caused me to tilt and become overall useless in Tenet? It was a big day one event.

[notscience]

Ugh fuck it I’m done beating around the bush

Basically I feel like my noticeable weakness is I want to be liked in general (especially by my friends) and am extremely susceptible to guilt and other AtE so much so that it shuts me down entirely abd im just trying to figure out if nachos approach to me this game makes sense in that lens. The thing that tilted me out of the game in tenet was Noraas wall.

Ninja-
Dingdingding

[notscience]

Yes but it’s a fairly obvious one particularly to someone in that situation with me who saw it happen firsthand.

[notscience]

My confusion at the moment is my reads don’t look too different than his and that’s concerning.

[notscience]

Yeah. Maybe tilt me out of the game is strong, but that was the extreme example I had on hand to make my point. I do view us as friends yes, I can’t speak for him obviously.

Ninja-
Yeah. I think it’s ironic you me and Cakez are all the same alignment again. Like I unvoted to think more but like all signs are pointing towards scum and I’m trying to be reserved and make sure I’m not tunneling.

[notscience]

Bork do you think this setup incentivizes bussing or keeping your buddies alive

Ninja-
I’ve never met any of them irl but I talk to them all abd play with them all a lot but this is a sidetrack

Anyways feel free to weigh in on my above question

[notscience]

A certain someone owes me a catch-up wall

[notscience]

Bulge promised me a catch-up wall yesterday that was who that’s to.

[notscience]

I know it was to nacho who replied earlier like I was asking him and just did again lol

Where’s Mara anyways

[notscience]

Bork I’m very glad we are finally both town together.

[notscience]

No because that game tilted me and I’m feeling it this game.

[notscience]

Cakez who should I be voting and why

Mara, same question. I need more than”oh they’re going after LHF” because the reality of this game is we have a handful of people really good at standing out as town, the outliers are going to be on the forefront.

[notscience]

Salsa is vla
VOTE: mom

I can go here

[notscience]

We could just elim you guys if you want?

[notscience]

I’m a PoE player. As long as they aren’t in my townreads I don’t have a ton of preference.

[notscience]

As I've said already, I think if nacho is scum he's probably bussing his teammates given how his reads are lining up with mine (that havent all been voiced) so I'm not totally concerned elimming outside of there by virtue of how the setup works. I'm not going to actively oppose the wagon on him though.

@Mara- your response to me makes no sense. I'm sorry you don't get 1 on 1 interaction but you have multiple interactions from me with multiple people, with nacho with multiple people, kismet, VFT, etc. If you want me to listen to your reads I need more than "They have easy reads." The entire playerlist has easy reads. Noone has had ANY controversial reads. It's literally how a lot of games have gone recently, where the easy answers are the right ones. You can prove me wrong by showing me if you're town (by doing things, not by complaining) so I can figure out who I have to reevaluate.

[notscience]

Actually I feel like this is just another bork wagon in 2181

mmmm

[notscience]

I stepped aside for it but did nothing either way and he flipped red. I'm looking at the parrallels as a different venue to evaluate it.

I'm still waiting for SOMEONE to post or I'm about to just say to elim the fuck out of him

[notscience]

notscience hasn't made a huge splash in the game so far, but I would probably be suspicious if he was putting himself front and centre trying to keep a hold on the reins of the game. most of what he's done so far is reach out to familiar players, and present theories and takes as non-sequiturs, all par for the course. I'm not a big fan of his nacho case. I think town notty would be more likely to want to assume a more assertive role in the town, but that could be affected by playerlist. I think with fewer players who know him, notty would feel more comfortable and free to break from his usual posting style. most of what he's done so far is give reads and push suspicions. I don't like the way he throws his vote around. I would expect town notty to be a little more meek in a way. he hasn't done much apart from replying to direct questions, and asking his own, but he only follows up in the moment and rarely comes back to past conversations. however, I do appreciate the consistency with which he maintains his lines of questioning ever after a lilt in discussion. The wall on nacho is pretty convincing. notty hasn't done anything this game except throw down votes and vibe with his friends. If he were scum I think he'd see an opportunity in this setup to take more control of the game's trajectory. I don't think we need to worry about this slot, but I have my eye on him.

Which Nacho case in specific? I've had some throwaway thoughts here and there but don't have an outright case. What don't you like about them? I also don't get how you go from "I don't like his nacho case" to "his wall on nacho is very convincing" in the span of a paragraph.

Why would town me want to be more assertive in this game? What games *have* I been in the assertive role from the getgo on day 1?

What don't you like about how I've thrown my vote around? I've voted three people- You in RVS, Nacho, and Mara recently. Two serious votes, typically I think my vote is more fluid? As for not following up on past conversations, yeah, I don't have as much reread time (would have done it today but I spent my day writing an essay) but meh.

[notscience]

His read on me is fucking weird

It's also coming out way too early and I feel like that's more likely from scum trying to be unpredictable than town genuinely holding his cards close to the chest. I also don't like how he criticizes me for something then says he likes it, and I feel like while, yes, I have been shooting the shit with the usual suspects I have had a fair interactions with all the top posters sans Infinity and Mena and have tried to engage all of the lurkers. This feels like a weird mischaracterization of what's happened.

I also don't get why he thinks this is a game I would assume a leadership role given how Tenet shaped up, I burned a fair amount of credibility there. I didn't assume any control over Legends until Day 4 after it was clear town was going to shit if I didn't. So him assuming I would take a leadership role at all in this setup is weird. It almost feels like he's trying to come up with reasons to fit the slot he wants me in.

[notscience]

He doesnt even take a stance on you lmao

[notscience]

I’m around if you want to interact snd read me.

[notscience]

Why should I have LG as my primary lim target?

What are your thoughts on Cakez?

[notscience]

Give me the short version, I have my own meta read there anyways.

Now that you’ve refreshed on Cakez, thoughts?

[notscience]

I don’t like his bulge townread either!

What do you think of the inverse- bulges townread on him?

[notscience]

I agree! In his defense he didn’t really post in illicit but they were silenced for like a month. But he was super lurkerscum in xeno. Misty calling attention and complaining about it seems like a rookie hydra mistake, it’s a lot easier to just go “it is what it is deal with it” or fly solo.

Yes about bulge, go look at his catch-up wall.

Ninja-
I don’t think Cakez is scum for the record. He’s just done some things that pinged me, but he’s not on the table for me today.

Can you walk me through why him and mom make sense as a team? Because I have solo reasons mom is +scum

[notscience]

What is your impression of Cakez as a player? I feel like he is at times lighthearted but I haven’t had any real qualms with his effort.

My take on him (I’ve played four games with him- he was scum in multiball, xeno he was scum, legends he was town, and popcorn he was town.)I feel like as scum, I’ve noticed him more as a “good little townie” whereas this angst and frustration he had exhibited thus far has reared its head in legends and popcorn.

[notscience]

In xeno he was stamping his feet throughout day one as Cabd managed to amass a wagon on him without a case. I think it was more over the top ans aggressive compared to the understated nature here, if that makes sense. The delicacy of the frustration made me lean town.

Do I think it’s fake able? Potentially. Do I think this is the game? Not really.

Ninja-
Was for ydra

A bit concerned about mena’s disappearance but understand real life is a thing. Was very meh about his townread on me and feels like he just got that intro “townread notsci and he’ll ignore you” from a buddy

[notscience]

Wasn’t expecting you to! Just stating what my concerns wrt you guys are. You had relatively fair answers and I’m not expecting you to take my word as gospel, I’m just saying why I think Cakez leans more to the town side of the spectrum and I won’t be voting there.

[notscience]

Urge to burn, rising.

[notscience]

I'd tell you to fuck off notsci, but it's not worth the words

-Mena

If you aren’t going to post to play don’t bother posting to be rude.

[notscience]

Mara you don’t get to play the “I just joined the game” when the games been open 6 days and you’ve been here for 2. Yeah, I am tunneled on nacho. It’s pretty obvious but I’m not actively pushing it as I’m trying to reevaluate. And quite frankly, I don’t need your reads for me to do shit. My reads have been just fine lately, and I have multiple people here that can vouch for that.

I’ve literally had to poke abd prod to get anything out of you and all I got is some stupid “no you” shit like my stances aren’t obvious throughout my iso.

My theory behind the nacho thing was he would be expecting to get shut down and then the main people he pushed could pull the “hurrdurr flipped scum was pushing me” card.

@cakez- I was more so speaking to the negativity expressed there compared to here. Not really a marker for how I expect you to play as scum (particularly because I also mentioned literally every other game we’ve been in together too lmao)

I’ll try to be around tonight.

Ninja-
What gives you that idea? How she goes no u whenever someone pressures her?

[notscience]

Bulge let me know when you read nacho. I’m fine killing him today and will reap the “I told you sos” later if I’m wrong.

Mena hydra goes tomorrow. I agree with lillith wrt the AtE and for someone so done with this game he sure is doing a lot of following along with this game.

[notscience]

Obviously if skitter wants her chance to sort him she is more than welcome.

[notscience]

For those keeping score, there’s zero explanation in menas iso why he’s townreading nacho. (Mena, not ydra)

My best guess it’s for also wanting to PL notmaf? They have some little super formal interaction but that’s about the extent, then his top two townreads are me and nacho.

I don’t see why town would tilt in this gamestate with as many fairly obvious town as we have. I think chances are much higher it is scum tilt.

[notscience]

I don’t think scum bulge posts that to be honest skitter

And I’m also surprised he hasn’t garnered more pressure with how he’s been.

[notscience]

Because we have the two hardest hitting scum members unable to get traction and their team of lurkers can’t bail them out/isn’t being scummy enough to divert attention

[notscience]

That’s basically where I’m at. I think scum is all in

(Nacho, notmaf, mena, mom, LG) and if one of those is town it’s bulge or salsa

Ninja-
I can bring nacho to four I was going to ask for the hammer though. In townreading the whole wagon, do you disagree with either of those other two?

Ninja-

I’m sorry

[notscience]

Cakez be my LLD?

[notscience]

VOTE: nacho

[notscience]

Do you think Bork or infinity have a medium/high chance of being scum

[notscience]

If mena is town the mental block could be due to the nacho townread? Maybe the red flip will help him reset?

[notscience]

Got it. I’ll drop it. I trust your judgement.

[notscience]

Him going “fuck this shit”

And I kind of agree about scum not being able to push it because they have their hands full. Like yeah there was some weird shit in that wall but I think it’s more likely for town bulge to go “I’m town y’all are stupid lmao” and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make that “wel scum isn’t pushing me” argument as either alignment literally ever and my gut says it’s more likely to be town. I know how he Likes to operate and develop his reads as town and that is probably not helping him any

[notscience]

Like it’s not a Bork level read but it’s enough to where I’m fine leaving him until tomorrow

[notscience]

Bork the comparison to 2181, his stuff there was because he was mad he couldn’t sub in his main so I wouldn’t call it ai in a meta sense

Salsa, I have not answered a single question in your catch-ups. You have not called me on this. Why are you asking questions and not following up? Second, I gave you a team of five people abd then “if it is not these five then scum is here” and I got met with a discredit. So now, if mena is town, salsa is scum.

@mena- Bork is incredibly burned out as scum, look through his warehouse 13 iso/the scum pt if you don’t believe me. His engagement level is town indicative. Before he outted I thought it was bell who had a similar tell. Also you don’t get to trash my reads and then have like 2/3 of the same pool as I do lmao

[notscience]

You haven’t. For someone who doesn’t understand me you had very minimal questions to try and do so.

I’ll answer them when I get home I can’t format on my phone.

[notscience]

Oh god fucking damnit

Of course someone with fire replaced in to the slot

It’s still the same scum slot nacho tried to bus to save his ass and beeboy lurked out of.

[notscience]

Hi peta forgive my last post I am excited to play with you but bummed I’m playing against you

[notscience]

Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.

I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have to

[notscience]

Bork beeboy lurked into a replace out in your game don’t you let up on the gas at all.

[notscience]

Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.

[notscience]

Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.

[notscience]

(Also two votes hardly constitutes a wagon)

[notscience]

@cakez be my lld means sheep me and If I’m wrong you can kill me

@mara- look nachos picking on more LHF you should vote him

@notmafia- I’m gonna get you a pretty hammer

[notscience]

I’d kill peta regardless of nachos flip

[notscience]

Bring it peta

I can broken record the doomed slot you’re in all day

Ninja

Lmao

You’re right I’m trying to stop you from derailing it. But I’m the one who stunted the momentum in the first place with cold feet.

[notscience]

If I was going for an easy misyeet why the fuck would I choose nacho

Do you even read what you say before you post it? Half the plist is hard lurking

[notscience]

That was over the top

Sorry I’ve been itching for this I’ll chill

[notscience]

If I was going for an easy misyeet why the fuck would I choose nacho

Do you even read what you say before you post it? Half the plist is hard lurking

i meant your reaction to my replace in

I’ve been your scum buddy and watched you almost shout down a guilty (granted it was a newbie but still)

I really don’t want to have to deal with you shouting down a nacho wagon

Ninja-
Wait is he? Like beeboy has a super clear meta that peta himself has witnessed but like... sure

[notscience]

Who other than me is the scum wagon and if there is no others why was the wagon not bigger by this point.

[notscience]

Well yes that would be because I have a wagon of three townreads and myself who I know is town and the very first thing you do upon replacing in is try to derail it

I should be okay with this because???

[notscience]

I mean like

You’ve seen how I solve the game dude this is my textbook approach. Like I probably am being a bit too aggressive but it’s mostly due to the respect I have for your scumgame.

I’m going to eliminate nacho today. He flips green you and I can gladiate tomorrow. A gentleman’s agreement.

[notscience]

Salsa rain check

I do intend to get back to you but I worked 16 hours today and am tired

[notscience]

@The Bulge or Salsa

Free towncred to whoever sets up notmafia to hammer

[notscience]

I’d find it more fun if you guys make me the counterwagon instead of Cakez

[notscience]

I already said the scum team is you nacho (mena/salsa) mom notmaf


All maras done is omgus all game lmao

[notscience]

I can’t wait to look back at this wagon postgame.

[notscience]

That makes me a sad panda

Have we not been over beeboy scum meta Bork

[notscience]

That makes me a sad panda

Have we not been over beeboy scum meta Bork

I would like to do this my way for the moment. A lot of games I've been in have been lost because I've not been pliable enough with my view of the game early on.

I think he’s been very openly trying to manipulate us for most of the day

And you need to consider how difficult it was to get traction for the wagon, despite the townbloc voting it.

I know you want to do it your way but we are giving him the wiggle room to escape and I’d really not piss our chances away at the big one.

[notscience]

Okay.

You understand my reservations with it but I’m not going to stop actively campaigning/peer pressuring bulge into voting though. This whole series of replace in and all these shenanigans is setting off all my alarm bells.

[notscience]

Like take your time with your vote but I’m gonna do my part to make sure we get the red flip today

[notscience]

That’s gonna be a no from me dawg

[notscience]

I’m not the one trying to derail a d1 scum elim /shrug

[notscience]

You wanna make a vote bet

Help me flip nacho and if he flips green you get my vote the whole day tomorrow

If he flips red I get your vote all day.

If you’re right and I am being a nugget you have nothing to lose, scum will keep me alive as a sideshow attraction.

Ninja-
Sure

See the above

[notscience]

Like I said in my last pool I could see a mena town world

It just means salsa is scum

[notscience]

For the record maras near 95% scum with that and her not voting nacho when she had a scumread there is sketchy

[notscience]

The more vocal people die the more nacho can strongarm.

Nacho or bust.

[notscience]

Because it’s never going to be someone who thinks he’s town

It’ll always be someone who’s calling him scum.

[notscience]

Like Mara and notmaf are definitely scum yes

But I want to take out the strong scum first.

[notscience]

Let me see if we can get the CYCLE OF JUSTICE on our side skitter

[notscience]

Mena can you try to explain a scum Mara town nacho world where she doesn’t vote him there over not mafia

Please just humor me

Ninja/
Bulges avatar

[notscience]

Maybe? But e-1 means not mafia hammers every time. She could then escape overnight.

[notscience]

All of us f5 like crazy lmao

I have been kinda pushy more than normal I will agree. Dickish? Potentially. I’ve tried to apologize when I think I’m over the line though.

Anyways.

[notscience]

Also VFT is now in my highest tier townreads

[notscience]

Yeah, I’m trying to do it this way because if I don’t I’m really susceptible to fall back on old habits.

I’ll figure out a way to approach it better.

[notscience]

@skitter I liked what you said around not wanting to have to argue your hydra partner is town, it’s kinda hard to articulate beyond just “that’s town” but I’ll think more

If menas town let’s talk about how nacho was trying to set up salsa to ride late with him early on

[notscience]

I mean my plan is still nacho>Mom>peta/notmaf

But I want the last scum to say I found them

[notscience]

Notsci how confident are you that bulge is town?

I won’t kill him today but if nacho flips town I need a total reset

Does that make sense?

[notscience]

Like I could be wrong there maybe

There’s a reason he’s on the fringes of my scum pool

[notscience]

BULGE I SEE YOU COME VOTE NACHO

salsa also still active on site

[notscience]

Wow it’s almost like this is an OMGUS

[notscience]

I shut it down early but have since said he’s probably scum (as are you!)

But you can’t ask why I won’t consider him when all you’ve done is blind vote him lmao

[notscience]

Nacho scumreads you “nacho is scum”

I say you’re scum snd all you’ve done is cast shade at me lmao

[notscience]

(I have that feeling Bork)

[notscience]

Heat? I’ve been pulling teeth to get votes all game lmao

[notscience]

I mean it’s their bloc vs the bloc on nacho

Do you think that’s all scum?

[notscience]

1255 is referring to beeboy and nacho not bulge

[notscience]

It means I can’t play the halfass go with the flow way

We need to strike first. Strike hard.

No mercy.

[notscience]

I’m best read via tone if you arent strong with that it’s harder

But i really am ridiculously obv town this game lmao

[notscience]

It’s not tunneling to have an alternative scumread if your reads are wrong. I’m a PoE player. I play via making pools with high chances of scum and clearing it.

I’ve literally said my pool is (Nacho,peta, Mara,notmaf, mena/you/bulge) multiple times.

[notscience]

And frankly the amount of times you try asserting nacho is town to me whileagreeing with others scumreads or questioning his posts is sketchy.

[notscience]

Because we have a wagon that struggles to get traction, and a player who goes back and forth with calling it scum and town is obviously suspect. It’s part of why maras non answer about her nacho read is sketchy as well.

One word answer, what are your reads on-Kismet, skitterlillith, infinity, me, and Cakez?

[notscience]

Salsa's flipping actually feels very genuine to me

She's my strongest TR outside the bloc

Again, PoE

Given the nature of this setup i just have to focus on the redder side of the pool anyways

[notscience]

I was hoping it would have evolved in the last 12 pages.

[notscience]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

[notscience]

But yes that was me.

[notscience]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

I just powerbussed and lost as scum I wouldn’t be bussing nacho I figured that was your implication

But I was the mod of that game. I’m diff as a player.

[notscience]

At that point I was scumreading both nacho and Cakez abd thought it looked s/a

I don’t think Cakez is scum anymore

[notscience]

Regarding my would [scum] and [town] post- Nacho entered the game and it’s mentioning how Cakez always scumread him and I was asking if that behavior is something more likely to be seen from town or scum.

Re/implication- you were saying I was suspicious for being positive nacho was scum, I figured you were going for a TMI angle

[notscience]

He’s probably scum, yes.

I think “nacho clear if notmaf is scum” is literally the entire reason that it was done in the first place.

[notscience]

and nacho

[notscience]

I tried and you told me no

Reread maras stances on nacho they are hot garbage

[notscience]

I feel like all she has done is throw shade. She threw a bunch at nacho and then the wagon hits and “oh I’m not actually scumreading him”

Like ????

[notscience]

I’m at work I’ll look when I get home

[notscience]

Maybe you're right and I was adding in an unfair connotation. I think the original question about what did they think of nacho and cakez going for LHF felt like a leading question that lent itself to a scumread, but prob an unfair judgement on my side.

WRT Infinity (because I've noticed they've been pettering off and I know they have that issue as scum) at what point should I become concerned here?

I was pretty much just waiting because nacho and peta wanted to talk and on the off chance both are town I'd rather not look like a giant tool postgame

only a moderate sized one

[notscience]

Hi back from v/la I’m notsci

[notscience]

Presently we are killing Nacho.

[notscience]

Nacho and peta said they wanted to bounce stuff off each other.

[notscience]

\o

I'm still set to kill Nacho. I think the game is getting apathetic because we tried to draw this out.

[notscience]

On the one hand I am kind of concerned that there hasnt been a counterwagon pop up

But on the other I feel like we'd done a really good job boxing out attempts at it

So yeah.

[notscience]

With tenet we had one of the core townbloc as town pulling strings

As I said I was a little concerned about infinity pettering off but I haven't had time to analyze posting frequency by day in her games yet.

[notscience]

But yeah, I guess that's also an issue. I think we'll know more tomorrow.

[notscience]

Of that pool the one I can see as town is Mena. If they are all town that means my reads are ridiculously off in other ways.

I still think Skitter is town. I don't have a scum baseline for her but I haven't had an issue with anything her or lillith has posted. It might sound dumb but I feel like this is day 3 when skitter and I finally started to get on the same page.

ninja-
Yeah peta's entrance and vote on me were AWFUL and I feel like that back off came from realizing he had a subzero chance of killing me.

[notscience]

I dont know what he was getting at but I can see its a meme in retrospect now

[notscience]

Yeah without a doubt

I think I am tunneled in and need data to reevaluate my thoughts, but I really don't feel good about Mara either

If Nacho flips red we flip peta and then we can just kill notmaf for the W though (ideally). But the longer this drags on the more apathy the game gets and the easier it is for scum to squeak by.

ninja-
I really feel like cakez is town this game

I feel like I saw noticeably less scumhunting in his early warehouse iso

[notscience]

I skimmed his iso at some point this day phase to look before I wrote him off prematurely

[notscience]

We can associative hunt

I like doing that more anyways even if I probably die if nacho flips red

[notscience]

I feel like if I was scum with notmaf I would either bus the fuck out of him or ignore him so he can get free quick hammers