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me too sort of
you were second or third to defend NM and i am biased against everyone who said "No let's not policy NM"
additionally you seemed more passive like theres not a lot of SRing and more i guess normal questioning and less interesting stuff
Like from my two game baseline i think you had a push on me fairrrrlly early in royalty and i forget what happened in one night stand
as it is presently I was thinking less likely cakez/notsci scum and if i had to pick between you and disaster for one, well- Morning Tweet
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this is mostly in reference to notsci cause apparently several dead town were convinced they're townIn post 3709, Morning Tweet wrote:Should probably also factor in that scum is killing it this game and can leave in their very best members for the end though huh
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I've got two schools of thought where i think A.) scum has to do mental gymnastics to justify not voting outA NM or B.) they make somewhat of a show out of siding against NM to look betterSpoiler: Infinity and Mena discuss NM
As it was, Momrangal/Lion was not in the game. Not_Mafia was himself. Leafy shaded NM but didnt really weigh in on it directly.
Venus/Infinity openly defended whilst Mena was pretty heavily against NM.
i dont really recall notsci or cakes focusing on it too much
I find it reaaally hard to buy that no scum assisted NM at all and it was just one bus on him by Mena!scum (two busses after voting leafy). In a game where scum are gonna be dying each phase that's certainly valuable to scum though so im not really counting disaster out
Also I was kinda getting the sense Mena might just be frustrated with NM so it'd be NAI but dont know yet
lolIn post 453, Kismet wrote:like is that really your argument? "shit i got that 10 out of 11 townreads (or somewhere in that vein), but fuck, DANGER ZONE, better play defense"
I skimmed mod iso to the final VC and apparently NM wasn't even in contention by the end of the day like I thought he was so okay then moving on. The Nachomamma interactions are so long i dont really read into them super deeply but SIGH they're probably just as or more important- Morning Tweet
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wifom but confbiasing me into thinking cakes is townIn post 500, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn
i like vft/nacho/kismet to varying degrees
i have also kind of disliked infinity's push on us - there was this one part where she repeated some of the stuff i mentioned being the reasoning for me being low motivation that just felt odd
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i will admit infinity improves but that kinda makes me more unsure than anything else. Infinity's putting on a good performance
(page 22)
Might be Venus + Disaster
objectively trueIn post 558, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...
Also true and you might just be townIn post 560, Infinity 324 wrote:
I mean ydra just isn't posting, sometimes she just doesn't post as town.In post 558, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...
I thought the way beeboy applied his theory to this game felt quite believable.
I love the name "Disaster Cartel" by the way
This is screaming it's Venus over Infinity to meIn post 565, Venus Fly Trap wrote:
i mean doesn't she at the very least fluffpost and post about anime or ice cream or whatever as town, even if there's no content?In post 560, Infinity 324 wrote:
I mean ydra just isn't posting, sometimes she just doesn't post as town.In post 558, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also i know ydra is gonna hate me for this but she's looking a lto more like the vs. game than, say, divide and conquer ...
I thought the way beeboy applied his theory to this game felt quite believable.
and for beeboy idk it doesn't really resonate with me. like i can see him posting that as either alignment
sorry cakez <3
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i want cakes interactions with nacho to be real but also there's a chance I'm just being lazy so if we have sircakes as pretty solid consensus town let me know
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its still probably not cakesSpoiler: cakes
In general i feel like Venus' approach to disaster/leafeon on page 23 is closer to how i'd distance than cakes approach to disaster/momrangal/leafeon there you can ask me for elaboration on that if you really feel like basically i think the leafeon/ydrasse takes are more "boring" by venus. and i do expect venus to distance
O so it is because of a previous game with NM dunno what to think of itSpoiler:
:X hindsight is 2020 and whatever but leafeon was probably scummier than three votes tied with nacho of courseIn post 600, fferyllt wrote:Leafeon and Glaceon(3): Disaster Cartel, Nachomamma8, SirCakez
Nachomamma8(3): Venus Fly Trap, Infinity 324, notscience
I felt Infinity's turnaround read on Leafeon on whatever page was somewhat believable but I suppose also necessary..
That was pretty well-executed in my opinion if fakeSpoiler: this
Can't decide if im letting the eeveelution hydra destroy my reads via WIFOM or if they're super helpful hahahaIn post 604, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Infinity feels really town to me.
Unless they are very good at faking being confused and struggling to articulate reads :V
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i will admit they're confbiasing the things i was already thinking (cakes town infinity leantown)
of course they seemed demotivated consistently so that's an easy N1 kill and then when u do that you wanna spew anti-associatives and all that, I suppose the question is when they turn on that antispew mode
To be fair i like these posts more than the last ones i commented onSpoiler: Skitts
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as it is im thinking notsci's interactions with Nacho are less likely scum, like it's hard to talk to ur friends (and push them despite them pushing back on u) convincingly i suppose is how id explain that
I can understand the thought process behind the theory of Nacho trying to singlehandedly carry his team via associations after getting eliminated D1
But damn looking at Nacho's reads he had to die huh. He scumread Mom/Leafeon/NM/Disaster on one page (page 36), only incorrectly reading Bulge (WHO OF COURSE GETS ELIMED THE NEXT DAY OUT OF THOSE FIVE, WHAT). plus a 'maybe' on disaster of course but still
I am really interested to see why we're thinking about eliminating Infinity over Disaster here because presently that's not what im thinking at all- Morning Tweet
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In post 892, Nachomamma8 wrote:
i don't like this from disaster cartel. i find it a frustrating experience as scum when i defend lynchbait (or don't push a townie who everyone is railing against) and they don't townread me back. this looks like this - i don't buy thst mena thinks we're gonna townread each other because we have similar readsIn post 528, Disaster Cartel wrote:My not thinking it makes sense that I should be townread in general =/= I don’t think nacho shouldn’t be townreading me more and find it kinda weird he isn’t given that I’ve been on a similar trajectory to him but also, importantly, have gotten there on some things before him (like voting leafy). Given that I can’t just be sheeping him bc of that, I find it weird that someone who’s coming to the game from a v similar viewpoint in many ways, he doesn’t see as town
(cause like, yes)In post 894, Nachomamma8 wrote:i also have used my amazing detective skills to gleam that ydrasse is someone who is super town when they're town
and they are not that here
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where did it all go so wrong guys?? I know you both end up on Nacho :CSpoiler:
(in response to page 38) How do we have 2-3 consensus scumreads who are scum (Leafeon + Momrangal + kind of NM but not really) and none get elimed lol. No but aside from complaining that's probably an important question to answer im curious. In a regular game without mafia having large numbers they were so dead, so who did something about it
In post 934, Disaster Cartel wrote:off the top of my head i can tell you that there was one read i thought felt towny from l+g (actually from beeboy which like, with his meta surprised me that he was that... idk the word, intuitive maybe despite not being around?), and early on i felt a lot of my thoughts aligning with vft as well, alongside a lack of ~bad vibes~ i generally get which made me feel good townbinning them, but i’ll reread both
the other two though don’t have... a lot of content thought to them, nm theory talk mostly for him and tone for salsa but i can provide more when i actually read their isos since they’re small
it’ll be a few hours so whenever i am around tonight i’ll give Thoughts. i’d honestly feel really bad if you were town and like, idk, didn’t get to interact with some good faith? maybe i’m assuming too much abt everyone’s reads on you but yeah
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I guess you two happened (*>ω<) but yea someone is jumping thru hoopsIn post 942, Infinity 324 wrote:
You're scum with bulge and maybe DC, I don't know who else. I've talked about my TRs on kismet, VFT, L&G, and notsci is pretty obvtown too. My cakez read is really hard to explain but it feels like he believes in his pushes. Honestly I think me posting a lot of content would do more harm than good because there are like 5 people who need to catch up before we can really make progress here.In post 940, Nachomamma8 wrote:who are my partners? who am I bussing? who do you townread and why?
pedit: Ah yeah i have read a game or two where Ydrasse displayed actually a lot of scum range but it was a while ago whereas my recent ones are like this- Morning Tweet
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Would infinity reeeeallllyy defend misty/beeboy reeeeeeeeeeallllllllllllyyyyyy thoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (944)
Plus that other stuff that was confbiasing me aka leafy hard tring infinity in 604
Shiiit im impressed if Infinity hard defends misty and pushes Nacho as scumIn post 963, Infinity 324 wrote:Nacho I'm not sure what to tell you, I'm not even just continuing to SR you for the same reasons from early on because you continue to post things that look scummy to me. It's just not worth it to go into that because you're not going to change my mind. I'm not exactly sure what scum!you is supposed to do if me/bork/notsci/VFT are all town, you tried to push VFT and it didn't take. And for everyone else, I don't know who you're bussing and not (though I have some ideas) and I'll figure it out when you flip scum. If you're town, I'm sorry and I'll re-evaluate my view of the game and heavily weight your reads because I know you're a good player and you'll be confirmed town to me then. I just don't see that happening atm.In post 969, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You're not the first person to say this but it's not correct.In post 963, Infinity 324 wrote:you tried to push VFT and it didn't take.
If I was scum here I would be pushing townies to die. People can disagree with me and I'd still push for townies to die because playing scum is all about cracking trust and breaking down townblocks. Like in Order of the Stick when I got edged out pretty harshly by a solid townblock I kept pushing at people like Wisdom even though it wasn't popular because you need to push mislynches to win as scum. Here ESPECIALLY I would only need to kill one townie in order to safehouse myself so I can guarantee that I would get that one townie lynched.fucking hell i just dunno if i see it
Okay i was gonna ask if Venus could be scum with Disaster then since strongarming mom wouldn't matter in that caseIn post 3718, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm pretty sure VFT is town because skitt singlehandedly strongarmed the elim on mom yesterday. Since DC was likely the other option, there is some world where she's still scum with DC, but that seems very very unlikely to me still.
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I'll vote Ydrasse for top of page 41 right here right now (no i wont)
Just hopping onto the bulge sr thing when he's bleeding which is like the first Ydrasse SR in memory besides the sort of faint one on Nacho which is same vein as this
It's also got a lot of more scary "i dont know how to explain", "im too dumb", "idk hows" with the even more frightening "no im not scum i town" to top it all off
like (/ω\) im scared
pedit: Perhaps had DC been eliminated, today would have been a slam-dunk elim Mom and things would be way better for town? Basically just randomly theorizing though cause I do tend to take those kinds of strong townreads seriously
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bottom line right now is cakes is town
infinity seems like town
Notsci and venus i dont know. both seem to have positive things going for them but from what i can tell Leafeon/Momrangal/NM were all pretty easily scum so i expect at least one scumteam member to have done well for themself
and Disaster seems like scum
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come onnn if you had to guess Leafeon/Infinity versus Leafeon/Disaster from these posts would you ever guess infinitySpoiler: Disaster and Leafeon
pedit: I would say i tend to hard townread whoever is at the least possible risk of being eliminated as scum while giving more wishy washy kinda nothing reads on everyone else. My only frame of reference for this is Zoey's Extraordinary mafia which was a rep-in like this, i was too afraid to put down more than 1 good townread
You could make the argument to townread strategically to manipulate people (like townread someone u wanna have on ur side) but thats not really me, i tend to play closer to the "try to look town / play as you would as town" which is bad for manipulating the game but good for survival. I would say trying to puppetmaster the game and forging reads is theoretically stronger but you also have to be stronger and i take the safer "come across as genuien then hope things fall into place" route.
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Of course! out of everyone my predecessor decides on SirCakes to vote lol. I had polar opposite reads to them last time I replaced them too though so no sweat. OH they switched to Disaster, plot twist
>.>Spoiler: notsci and Disaster
>.....>Spoiler: venus and Disaster
i see
4/5In post 1157, notscience wrote:That’s basically where I’m at. I think scum is all in
(Nacho,notmaf, mena, mom, LG) and if one of those is town it’s bulge or salsa
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I can bring nacho to four I was going to ask for the hammer though. In townreading the whole wagon, do you disagree with either of those other two?
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I’m sorry :(of course
3/7 i think cause if Disaster is town Infinity should be in there [[he adds infinity on the next page so about 50% accuracy then]]In post 1174, Disaster Cartel wrote:So maybe like (salsa, cakez,leafy) and then probably 2/4 of (NM, bulge,mom, VFT)
Dont ask how this is supposed to help im tired. I would say that it's somewhat unbelievable notsci scumreads every single one of his scumpartners in a pool of 5 then votes the one townie in the pool.
God does that make it intentional though? Scumread every single partner, kill that townie in the pool, then die down the line to anti-spew? Can a near perfect readslist into voting the only incorrect option even happen by chance on D1? That is pretty incredible
That would beg the question of why dont they kill off notsci, but I dont really know the context for the NKs yet. Leafeon was definitely agiven
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hey i think salsa might've gotten it right actually! Assuming re-eval is above null... i think\Spoiler: Salsa reads
im probably neutral on the peta/notsci interactions on rep in :I They're so pleasant though (for two ppl hard scumreading each other)
that is a hell of a wagon compIn post 1308, SirCakez wrote:
yeah ok I'm extremely happy with this wagon compositionIn post 1301, fferyllt wrote:Nachomamma8 (5): Venus Fly Trap, Infinity 324, Kismet, notscience, SirCakez
Cakes simultaneously being sure peta's reaction to notsci is scum but still trusting venus/notsci on Nacho being scum makes me scream internally but also i dont think he woulda included the petapan comment as scum (1305)
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Pleasant relative to Disaster's interactions with you and venus, at least.In post 3744, notscience wrote:I’m not sure pleasant is how I’d describe mine and petas interactions on replace in
Still kinda finding it hard to come around to it being notsci though
Hard game. I'd still vote Disaster first
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In post 1650, notscience wrote:Presently we are killing Nacho.Literally why (responding to Ydrasse)
In post 1652, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Are we basically just waiting for nacho's final thoughts at this point?
Pedit i mean .... why not
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ExactlyIn post 1654, Kismet wrote:what DO you want?
you have an opportunity to seriously engage, get some thoughts in, game is at a crawl.
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Bulge puts it to X-2 enabling peta to quickhammer which leads into momentum on Bulge D2 SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YOU HAVE EVERY OTHER SCUM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIn post 1757, notscience wrote:Nacho flipping green makes me want to cull the townblock.
But not Bork.
I'd be tilted out of playing the game if i were u prolly. Which is kinda what happened i see with delegating vote to mena and whoeverIn post 1759, notscience wrote:I knew peta was scum and should have just said kill him first.
I’m sorry.
NM got 4-5 votes at start of this day and lived?
Maybe somewhat relevant to note Mena is 1/5 on scum outside of NM, so had NM gotten pushed thru there was a lot of wiggle roomIn post 1802, Disaster Cartel wrote:I guess if Iverson towns up the salsa!slot a lot it might be like a toss up in (Iverson, mom, infinity) I guess but that's kind of irrelevant if all of (N_M, cakez, bulge) are scum
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kinda like Venus' thoughts on cakes/nm/mena at bottom of page 77, not exactly in a perfect agree kinda way but seemed good idk
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(page 83) i still think it's Disaster it feels like a calculated bus whereas everyone else comes off like kinda lowkey terrified of the NM wagon, mena doesnt seem terribly concerned. I mean ya it's NM but i dont think there's substantial reason to know he's scum exactly... there was the point that maybe he plays a little more as scum but i doubt it. And Ydrasse is just +scum
I dont want to.. hate the bulge vote as an idea for information, i could see doing it myself... I do worry that it's something scum opts for because well duh town counterwagon to scum -- but also dont you just bus NM here and call the bulge voters scum on the next day (or even better after bulge dies on a later day)? Which is what disaster is doing naturally
You're bothered by the pushback the bulge wagon got? What pushback? Isn't all the pushback currently to NM in the form of the bulge wagon?Spoiler: Infinity on NM/Bulge wagons
Spoiler: Infinity back on bulge
You really seem like you're jumping through hoops here to vote Bulge but ughhhh is that what scum would do?
I wanna believeeIn post 2362, Kismet wrote:if there's one thing i think i am sheepable on this game it is that noddy is town, yes.
please tell me you did thisIn post 2405, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm ok waiting for people to catch up and then voting NM
I have no idea what bulge/infinity are talking about with regards to this contradiction thing
I see bork basically had an entire crisis around the two wagons so thats prolly why the nm momentum slipped
you want to doIn post 2611, Disaster Cartel wrote:hi, guess who read some stuff
i want to vote bulge but i think mena would kill me if i moved our vote
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In post 2619, Disaster Cartel wrote:also i'd feel really fucking bad if nm got away when we've been on him all game but like, idk. i'm torn between whether or not scum actually bus nm or try to leave him alive long enough to try and get a quickhammer in
i struggled for a bit trying to reconcile if these wagons can exist as svs and i came to the conclusion that there's no reason that they can't + bulge attacking infinity feels like the only option for scum!bulge when they've committed to having Obvious Townies and few options for those voting them. also the fact that it's like... why not vote nm there so you can get through to another day, imo? like this is projecting but i don't get why bulge choose to vote infinity which is for all intents and purposes atp a vanity wagon
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disaster over infinity is back in businessIn post 2624, Disaster Cartel wrote:Spoiler:
here's the things that i didn't like from bulge regarding infinity -- it feels like.. the inverse of what actually happened LMAO, like the point that was being made was a gotcha that was supposed to screw over infinity. and then that didn't happen. the things about being intentionally obtuse/discredting are the things bulge did (she's flailing, etc) whether or not he meant to do that.
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In post 2632, Iverson wrote:Nothing to say, Ydrasse?In post 2636, Iverson wrote:Maybe next time notsci!In post 2637, Iverson wrote:Anyway I'm town and Ydrasse is scum so that's cool
i'm a huge fan of Prism's now, that was sickIn post 2639, Iverson wrote:Didn't even consider that I was scumclaiming or understand I was trolling for reactions, straight up she saw that vote and didn't think about it
Dont actually know if that was an explicitly scum-indictative reaction by Ydrasse although it wasn't terribly natural looking
Really curious how Disaster doesnt get killed on this day. Already got it spoiled that Venus pushes for Mom but ya x3In post 2684, Infinity 324 wrote:Mena's push to vote NM over bulge looks really good, but ydrasse's bulge vote does not, and I feel like she's had ample opportunity to obvtown
I am also curious i guess what the thought process behind voting bulge was YES I KNOW I QUOTED THE POST WHERE YDRASSE EXPLAINS IT IN MY LAST POST but i didn't really get it
That's goldenIn post 2686, Iverson wrote:"I've got to go, Bork. It's all right. I'm not afraid. Some time, Bork, when the team is up against it, when things are wrong and the breaks are beating the boys, ask them to go in there with all they've got and win just one for the Nacho. I don't know where I'll be then, Bork. But I'll know about it, and I'll be happy."
The fact that Nacho, widely revered patron saint of townplay, came into this game with one mission, eliminating the trolling Not_Mafia who was scum anyway, only to promptly get dunked on and watch town go down 0-2 while the Miltank Man just smiles and laughs, absolutely kills me
i really dont know who i want to throw out besides Disaster (page 111)
Feel like if you think about it, that's a pointless or neutral move for scum!Prism to make at best, dont really see why you'd give them flak for that after the fact (in response to Infinity being sus of Iverson). Oh she didnt realize it was free. Okay then
You know I can only imagine how painful this game must be for the townies still alive at this point, like peta and NM getting away is just owieIn post 2803, skitter30 wrote:this has not been one of my better games reads-wise >.>
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so this is where i'm at rn. in my mind the game is kinda divided into tiers:
{bork/mena-ydrasse}
{infinity/notsci}
{sircakez/mom/prism}
the only two people i'm still quasi-confident on are bork and mena. bork i still think is out of his scumrange and i just don't think mena interacts with nm that way, despite ydrasse's hammer. it's possible i'm getting snowed by the people in this group but i don't think i'm willing to vote there today. if i'm wrong on one of them rn i don't think this is something i can positively identify today with the information i have, and these aren't the people i want to spend today's vote on.
i would say *if* there's scum in that group there's max one. i can't like make the game make sense in my mind if both of them are, it just doesn't compute for me.
then the infinity/notsci tier. my heart kinda wants them both to be town but i have a really bad sinking feeling that this just isn't the universe we live in at this point. i townread them both early game but at this point those reasons no longer suffice. in particular i'm kinda getting suspicious of infinity and i feel like she's dropped off a lot in a way that's rather reminiscent of her scum MO. these are the reads i definitely want to re-evaluate but probably wouldn't vote today
and then the last tier i think is the best bet for hitting scum, and i think there's at least one, probably two, in there
i actually like sircakez out of all of them the best: i like his entrance today, he's p persistantly pushed for nm yesterday, and he also has anti-partner associatives with l/g
i still think mom is scummy, and am just not convinced by any of the reasons presented for townreading her
and i utterly hate everything prism has done since/including the hammer
i would want to vote in the last two today
~ skitter*raise eyebrow*
Prism mom and cakes bottom three? Disaster at the top? Bork is agiven but...
Why exactly can't scum!Mena interact with NM like that exactly? (see: my interpretation of it at top of 3752. I don't get that townread at all
I can certainly empathize with my heart wanting infinity/notsci to be town rn hah
I don't get the prism hate. Oh, I see it's related to the cakez push.......... which i havent been reading. Fine. I also see the elaboration in 2814, okay i see i see
Yeah, maybe.. with my current interpretation that was a 2/3 shot of losing in skitts' bottom threeIn post 2805, Iverson wrote:At this point I'd like to just concede if skitter is town.
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In post 2908, Disaster Cartel wrote:This game is giving me strong vibes of scum not being able to TR our slot without losing bc I have no idea how we’re being considered in the PoE otherwise
Like my accuracy has been on point recently, this game I’ve basically had the best reads bar peta but there’s been like a concerted effort to keep me marginalised and I can basicslly only mark it down to scumteam pushing and then groupthink
these two are not town they can't beIn post 2909, Disaster Cartel wrote:G2H it’s (cakez, iverson, infinity) and there’s some weird bussing going on bc otherwise they figured the goose was cooked
That's the only thing I feel like i know in addition to Cakes being town. I think.
Someone anyone show me the light on who Disaster's paired with and we can close this out
Uhm doesn't Venus!scum just win the game here by pushing Iverson?In post 2975, fferyllt wrote:Iverson (2): SirCakez, Kismet
Disaster Cartel (1): Infinity 324
Not Voting (5): notscience, Venus Fly Trap, Momrangal, Iverson, Disaster Cartel
Actually
If Cakes is town scum can just quickhammer entirely can they not..? Why don't they? Ah, it only lasted for four hours (and ofc only a few checked in thread during that time, especially not momrangal). So I suppose it's nothing
Agree, Disaster voting NM means nothing to meIn post 3022, Infinity 324 wrote:
DC gets very little credit for voting NM since the slot voted bulge in the end.In post 3019, Kismet wrote:DC has been mostly pinpoint on L&G (scum), NM (scum), and Mara (who you also think is scum) and Mena has been pretty ok to me since early D1.
You were on Iverson but swapped off him for 2779 and I don't get what you saw there (and you even made 2782 later)
I didn't start TRing iverson when I unvoted him, I was only voting him to pressure him into explaining the hammer. Honestly, I don't understand his play here, but I think that's more town-indicative than anything, I just can't see an agenda to his play. Idk obviously one of my townreads is wrong, and I wouldn't even really be townreading the slot if not for salsa being towny as well.In post 3041, Kismet wrote:there's one other option here that i hate to even consider and it's that my noddy read is wrong, because the switch off nm early D2 needs to be explained somehow
this is the shit that happens when you're down 2-0 i hope everyone's happyIn post 3043, Kismet wrote:would be fucking ballsy for noddy to have made that arrangement w/ mena to go after NM w/ that first wagon as it was and then to go after cakez. Like it has scum motivation to do if cakez is town (maybe even if he's scum) but man I feel scum noddy just fucking hardbusses there and licks his wounds.double eyebrow raisewavering on the notsci read? Bork has truly been broken
goodIn post 3057, notscience wrote:You
VOTE: DC
I’m going to vote at the person half the game is scumreading and nobody is voting because that seems to be how scum has snuck out the last two days
yesIn post 3061, SirCakez wrote:
This is a great point I think I'll biteIn post 3057, notscience wrote:You
VOTE: DC
I’m going to vote at the person half the game is scumreading and nobody is voting because that seems to be how scum has snuck out the last two days
VOTE: disaster cartel
(lots of votes and unvoted, skitts is opposed)
works for meIn post 3102, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm just gonna assume cakez or DC are scum, me and cakez voted DC for about 12 hours right?
I see Iverson sort of townspewed so the alternate elim switched off him
hey I read that scum game.In post 3207, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Spoiler:
basically this normal as the towngame, and the recently completed panic room that notsci modded as the scumgame.
in panic room he repped in late and basically tried pocketing me and tried to get me to like his slot and basically made his whole game about appeasing me (take a look at his iso if you don't believe me, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=32813, it's basically entirely talking to me and about me and in some places even though the logical conclusions of what he was spouting would make me scum, he wouldn't even call me scum).
i called him out on it and flipped him (and infinity was there too!)
and in the towngame, he was not tryharding, he was popping in and yolo-ing whenever he felt convenient, even if it made him look bad. it was a tough pl and people kept trying to flip him because he was one of the easier misflips, and i kept being stubborn about explaining that that isn't how he's playing scum these days and managed to stave off the misflip. he would be trying to be more ~political~ (i.e. have reads that would actually make people townread him, and not just say whatever he's thinking), and would also be sucking up to me more (sorry mena for being so blunt).
and i was right in that analysis, and he was town there (and infinity you were in that one too iirc!)
and here he's a lot more like the latter than the former. he isn't having reads that would particularly get on anybody's good side (like, literally does not need to pick a massive fight about nm repeatedly on day1, setting himself up as contrary to general thread opinion). he isn't being super try-hard-y for him. he isn't trying to get me to townread him in particular. he isn't trying to pocket me - the way he's playing this game isn't orienting around me, which si what i would expect to happen if he were scum. in panic room, he basically kept trying to appeal to me, as my vote is ultimately what was going to decide how that day played out. i have a certain amount of sway here too, and he isn't trying to tap into that. he isn't particularly going out of his way to interact with me. i don't think this is what current-era-mena's scumgame looks like. it looks a lot more like the normal imo.
If i recall correctly, by the time Mena had repped-in, wasn't the game already lost for scum barring some kind of insanity happening? That seemed like a desperation type game for Mena to be able to get anywhere. correct me if wrong though
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Probably Cakes and at least one of notsci/venus disagreeing with me, like it's possible but it just seems a lot less likely to me. I would be surprised but not extremely so
Or perhaps reading Disaster doing something D4 which resets me back to nowhere :I Which I am under the impression Disaster does something that makes ppl want to consider you over them, havent seen it yet, but yeah i am a tad worried abt that
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Why would i ever be happy about rolling scum genuine questionIn post 3756, Disaster Cartel wrote:hi MT, nice to have you, sorry you rolled scum although I guess you're p happy about that- Morning Tweet
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I'd be surprised if town Mena sees my catchup and immediately thinks i forced an infinity scumlean (Was more of a team guess shot in the dark than anything based off the NM takes but whatever) in order to distance, than maneuvered to a switch. Like i hadn't read the rest of the game yet, so basically I'd be forming reads on the game strategically throughout the catchup which is incredibly taxing and not really what i do as scum at all unless it's for antispew
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I see Mena seems heavily inclined to believe the catchup was orchestrated in order to arrive at this perfect read state. It wasnt. i just said what I thought as I went I suppose that's for everyone else to figure out though
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If random scum % is like 33%, I'm at 75% Disaster scumIn post 3787, Infinity 324 wrote:
Yeah why are you suddenly less confident in me being town (at least in the way you expressed it) after mena says you and I can be scum together?In post 3785, Morning Tweet wrote:It seems like im trying to not be scum with you?
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If I think I'm getting elimed today wouldn't I want to seem paired with you? I dont understand your point, who am I paired with in this scenarioIn post 3794, Infinity 324 wrote:
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I only foresee voting you if everybody disagrees with me or if there us some secret sauce that happens to disaster on D4, again the reason I say that is that I notice cakes switched leaning disaster yesterday over to you (In fact, everyone seemed to lean disaster yesterday)
You overestimate the amount of conviction I would have. And this is me with extra conviction too, it's very likely I dont decide between the two of you so it can stay open-ended who I vote
Additionally, staying open ended avoids this inevitable conversation if I were to switch to thinking it's you.
Fluidity and flopping around is towny, rigidity and not choosing a side is scummy
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Oh right and royalty
Royalty I played to antispew pretty much the entire time. But you're saying I'm trying to *not* seem paired with you. Is the only similarity having low conviction? I was pretty sure Ahsoka was scum in one night stand, unsure what other scumread or reads I was confident on in that game- Morning Tweet
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Team mafia probably ur best bet cause my town game is wildly inconsistent whereas scum games all feel like more of the same
Of course, i dont think I'm playing like team mafia which is awful convenient but it's the truth soooooo
Royalty is also a valid source (up until I lurked out because I wanted to avoid info) but I really did fuck with my play in that game intentionally at least reads wise. In terms of posting style that did feel like scum me cause I was incredibly stressed having so many partners to not let down in that game
Feel like conviction is really gonna depend on each read and to be honest I cant decide whether to describe my conviction as high (Why would i scumread Disaster as scum?) or low because I'd give in to cakes and others reads over my own
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I would have to check but that's easily one of my biggest weaknesses is that i dont trust myself and it pops up basically every time people disagree with me. If you think I'm making that up I'm not
Pooky vs FL was the obvious spiffeh/whoever the other person was combo so maybe that's why, we were in agreement. One night I think we argued between scumreads and I vouched for maybe Uncrowned but we generally agreed on a pool in that game
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Ss3 never got to a point where trusting others reads over my own would apply i dont think
You should know that even if I were 100% on disaster scum I'd still bend elsewhere if nobody (including dead town) agreed with me
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meant that as "I should tell you..", worded it kind of weirdIn post 3807, Morning Tweet wrote:You should know that even if I were 100% on disaster scum I'd still bend elsewhere if nobody (including dead town) agreed with me- Morning Tweet
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I looked over that bit in royalty, it's probably worth noting this assessment:
wasn't true. I was dancing around it because i wanted to be wishy washy and non-committal, but i completely missed that it could be interpreted as gearing to vote TGP (i had no intention of doing so).In post 1045, Infinity 324 wrote:Because you are? Your posts read like scum who previously had a townread on TGP and is trying to justify a vote there.
I feel like the hammer talk could’ve been a reason why TGP accepted their death so early. Why did you think that was scum-indicative?
So you're kind of right that i was dancing around TGP in the sense i didnt want to commit to defending them but i had no intention of swapping to a vote either -- i dont take stances
I do see a similar vein where
i don't have a lot of confidence there. But my views on TGP d1 of that game where kind of a nothing-read. I had no impact on it whatsoever because i independently as Morning thought TGP was towny but i hid that because TGP was a necessary elim so overall I said pretty much nothing meaningful about TGPIn post 1046, Morning Tweet wrote:i do not think TGP accepting their death is scum-indictative, i thought it was really fast. I only mentioned it because of Pookys theory.
I am sorry for being wishy washy around the read but i do not have a lot of confidence in it, not enough to defend them
Whereas in this game I am pretty much spelling it out that I think Disaster is scum and the only thing that'll make me reconsider is if everyone else is adamant it's you instead, because i have a massive tendency to submit to others' reads
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lets uh get thru D3 so i can see why everyone switched from Disaster to Infinity now, shall we
ok lemme seeIn post 3403, SirCakez wrote:Inf or notsci for me today
That desperate push to not elim Mom and instead elim DC yesterday from Inf was TERRIBLE
I dont know if I see it exactly, feel like you'd sooner elim Mom rather than claim Bork is scum dont you think? And outright defending Mom over DC. I feel like bussing Mom is a pretty relatively easy move in comparison for scum to make
To be fair scum is still going to win following skitts' plan here pretty sure these two definitely arent the team so I guess defending DC and voting out Mom works out for that team.In post 3401, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Boy am i happy i was so stubborn yesterday
(And that i was right!)
I strongly believe infinity is scum, and am planning on voting her today. I will consider voting notsci as well
~ skitter
I'll do my due diligence in determining if Venus could have won by hard pushing Iverson or Cakez yesterday sometime later though. From my perspective I don't see why DC/Venus isn't the team if the Iverson/Cakez pushes were too risky -- I'd throw out Mom in that scenario as well as you can see it's still a W
The "infinity is confirm scum" thing took off really quickly start of D4 and i feel like im missing something but it comes off like all of venus/notsci/DC/cakez are convinced (?) sheesh
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quite possible i have a fundamental misunderstanding of the DC wagon sighIn post 3447, SirCakez wrote:
why can't inf and notsci both be scumIn post 3427, Disaster Cartel wrote:I think infinity is close to just being confscum at this point and I think the bigger concern is that idk where the remaining scum is in (cakez, Iverson)
if I was scum I wouldn't have moved to Mom I would have stayed on Iverson or DC (assuming they are town)
Well no if DC is scum i dont think that holds up at all actually I really do see a Mom bus over that
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