Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello!

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

The terrifying hydra...

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello!

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

The terrifying hydra...

Sorry Mod!

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello!

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

The terrifying hydra...

cuz of the name or cuz me and lilith are in it

Both bruh, both!

I've played w/ the majority of this plist, including you, and if this alt isn't burned by page 20 i'll be very surprised.

If you're an alt, then your 5 is a lie??

[Salsabil Faria]

Vote: Not_Mafia

Seems like a foregone conclusion anyways.

Btw, I don't find this scummy yet.

[Salsabil Faria]

If you're an alt, then your 5 is a lie??

what

You said on your post 5 that you never played in this setup but you're an alt, right? If so, then you may actually played in this setup before just not from this current account?

[Salsabil Faria]

I mean if something better comes up I'm all for it but as for right now we know that we're taking an L on Not_Mafia if town eventually (maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually) - if he's mafia then we have one shot and one shot only to kill him and that's right this second.

We literally don't even have to kill him to win. I'm having a hard time seeing where you're going with this.

We don't have to kill him to win. If he's scum we only have one day to get a sweet point out of him.

Why we only have one day?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I've a question in my mind for some days, but keep forgetting about it. I remember now so will ask here....
What does

ship someone

(or the spelling is sheep??) mean? I googled it but couldn't understand properly.

[Salsabil Faria]

If you're an alt, then your 5 is a lie??

what

You said on your post 5 that you never played in this setup but you're an alt, right? If so, then you may actually played in this setup before just not from this current account?

This is a convoluted play if Salsa is scum here.

The chances of Not_Mafia being scum and us having to hit him today rise.

You're a paranoid player, aren't you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Wrt to salsa i think he's saying he's getting town glimmers from her so she isnt going to be the 'easy flip to get a point' if scum the same way he's viewing nm apparently, but i dont really agree with him that this is the best way to use today and/or to handle nm

I'm sorry but who are you talking about?

[Salsabil Faria]

Also salsa that was abt u

Yeah, I understand it was about me but I don't understand what were you talking about? Is this about 63? I thought

Nachomamma8

scumread me for my 51 and for some weird reason, he mixed it with scum!

Not_Mafia

situation??

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I've a question in my mind for some days, but keep forgetting about it. I remember now so will ask here....
What does

ship someone

(or the spelling is sheep??) mean? I googled it but couldn't understand properly.

In the context in which I used it, it means to send. Sending someone to sleep means killing them.

Thanks

[Salsabil Faria]

no

VOTE: NM

-Mena

Eh, I don't like this vote.

UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

[Salsabil Faria]

Notsci please @ me when you're also townreading salsa

Wait, are you townreading me??
And when do

notscience

start to townread me???

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I've a question in my mind for some days, but keep forgetting about it. I remember now so will ask here....
What does

ship someone

(or the spelling is sheep??) mean? I googled it but couldn't understand properly.

To sheep someone is to trust their read on someone.

Oh, that's totally different from what

Nachomamma8

said!

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello!

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

The terrifying hydra...

You know you both are terrifically good

[Salsabil Faria]

policy elims are bad. policy elims on NM are bad. policy elims on NM in this setup are bad. we should just kill the person we think is most likely to be scum.

- lilith

Agreed.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think salsa is towny too,

You can finally see my towniness

Oh, that's totally different from what Nachomamma8 said!

Sorry, it's not what nacho said but if you wanted to know what "sheep" means there you go.

Oh, thanks a lot! This term kept bugging me

[Salsabil Faria]

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 1-12

Hi!

I've never played this setup

1st thing 1st, I need to clear my comment 44 on this (so embarrassing ). When you said you never played in this setup, I thought you're talking about

Mini Theme Game setup

, but I realize later after reading

Nachomamma8

's 210 that by

setup

you meant

Perpetual MELO IV

setup, not the general Coney Island setup (double embarrassment ). Sorry about that.

And, I'm intentionally skipping

eliminate

Not_Mafia

at Day 1 or not

debate cause it gave me a headache when I was there, it's still giving me a headache while reading the posts again. If anyone needs to know my thought about the issue, I'll read the posts later and give my opinion if only it is needed.

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

What did you accomplish from this question on page #5?
[I got the answer later, nevermind.]

Eh, I don't like this vote.

y

Your vote here looks like as

Venus Fly Trap

don't want to eliminate/vote

Not_Mafia

, you take this as a challenge or you scumread him for that or both which was not clear to me. Then I start to read page #7 and it seems the vote is because of the meta, which also not enough to vote

Not_Mafia

fmpov.

Hello!

VOTE: Venus Fly Trap

The terrifying hydra...

Sorry Mod!

VOTE: venus fly trap
Cursed hydra

no

VOTE: NM

-Mena

Eh, I don't like this vote.

UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

no

VOTE: NM

-Mena

Eh, I don't like this vote.

UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

I will sheep this in lack of something better
still reading

VOTE: disaster cartel

This is getting creepy

I don't want to quote your wall posting

SirCakez

this far, hence mentioning the post(s):

245, 246: are actually pretty bad, totally passive. After called out by some players, you elaborate yours takes on 258 which I find more suspicious, cause I think if you're town, you would start from 258.

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.

Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.

Well, I'm sick + playing 3 different games here at the same time (another bad decision of my life) + was mad for one of these game-related issues (which I can't talk about) while I was playing.

DC I will get back to you in a little bit

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.

Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.

I highly disagree. I see a lot of town motivation in Salsa's play.

From nearly post nothing?? I really don't understand why town!you want to sheep me or scum!you want to pocket me. What's going on you head exactly?

Nacho reacted pretty much how I'd expect him to as scum here
town!Nacho would reach out before immediately diving for an attack I think

Gone over my head! Hence so far....

VOTE: SirCakez

Spoiler:

Feel better salsa

Feel better salsa

^^^^
This, I hope you're doing alright.

- Glaceon

@salsa hope you feel better

- lilith

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm deliberately going slow, sorry for that. Though I'm recovering, but don't want to pressure myself yet. Hope y'all understand.

[Salsabil Faria]

also

@salsa: i know you’re having health issues that are leaving you v/la but is there any reason you’ve been active on site everywhere but here over the past few days?

One game at a time.

[Salsabil Faria]

also

@salsa: i know you’re having health issues that are leaving you v/la but is there any reason you’ve been active on site everywhere but here over the past few days?

One game at a time.

And it's not few days. I came back to this site yesterday which is 15/4/20121 and today is 16/4/2021.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 13-15

cabd. i think like unwnd > prism > maybe peta

i'm actually pretty flattered being compared w/ any of these really

Are you Titus?

As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”

Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?

i mean i brought this up way back when but tbh at this point by virtue of the fact that this has become such a divisive issue there would be information on his flip now so :shrug:

~ skitter

Infinity 324

also brought that up iirc.

Vote: SirCakez

I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.

uh so these nacho and sircakez interactions are certainly A Thing

~ skitter

What did you mean? and why?

I think we're on the same page re:nacho and cakez!

About?

huh she actually has a wider range than i would have guessed, with decent tone + activity
but she's kinda trending towards short declaritive statements/questions and not as much like 'in the moment trying to sort out what she's thinking' if that makes sense. she's almost more definitive/assertive in this scumgame than in the towngame i saw her in.
i was kinda liking her before and still think beeboy's take is kinda bad and like the opposite from how she ought to be read but i'm not as confident as i was before

~ skitter

In which newbie game you played with me (you mentioned earlier in one of your posts that you recently played with me in a newbie game)?

because I can't track things as people are calling out and it's definitely throwing my reads off
too much on my mind these days

I kinda relate, gonna think about this more later.
In the meantime, hope your rl is good.

I'm liking

Nachomamma8

's 345; 347 seems okay too; 348 is also good, though the tunnel thing on

Not_Mafia

tells me take a step back but his reply for 284 makes me thinking differently. I've to read more from him to understand him properly; 349 also ok ig; I'm feeling naked after reading the 350 (I need to change my town/scum gameplay but really don't know how )

hello

i like vft more for skitter's posting on page 13

i don't like nm hopping in, going "oh yeah there's no way i get eliminated d1", then dipping out

~leaf

Did you ever played with

Not_Mafia

before?

As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”

Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?

Bc we get info either way, and this way we’re 1/3 of the way to winning instead of scum being 1/3 of the way to winning

And like, we still get standard info from scum making a NK?

I’m not seeing how the info gain is so bad that it’s not worth it if he’s scum

Great, you're tunneled too and the reason is meta also. It'll take more than meta to eliminate particularly anyone imo.

Instead of just shutting the fuck up, targeting elsewhere, and then going after NM for not doing anything and potentially having quickhammered in lylo

So, if I'm reading right, fyo, if we don't eliminate

Not_Mafia

on Day 1, he'll land straight on the lylo??

seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out

i mean basically

i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing

so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated

~leaf

I'm thinking to join in a hydra for some time now, but I don't know/chat with people normally
Btw, I understand your situation but you can advance the game without your hydra partner.

Also, happy birthday!

Belated Happy Birthday

Infinity 324

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 16-19

Momrangal replaces Brave Heart Lion. Please welcome her!

Late welcome!

ok ok

i should proooobably talk to mena at some point about this game too but i wanna go in on my own first because i’m CLEARLY the better reader out of the two of us

- ydra

Lol!

VOTE: leafy and glacey

-Mena

Reason?

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble,
-Mena

I mean, don't scums normally want to buss their partner(s) if it's not necessary?

and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

Don't understand this part. Are you saying who are defending

Not_Mafia

here are scums. I don't agree.
FYI, I'm not particularly townreading

Not_Mafia

, he kind of always in my null list.

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

-Mena

I made that exact point in a post directed at skitter so. I agree with it.

The difference between you 2 is:

Disaster Cartel

seem to make up their mind to eliminate

Not_Mafia

at Day 1, where on the other hand, you're seemed to keep your option open. That's why I don't read as TvT you both atm.

Nacho looks relatively towny from an Objective StandpointTM but I don't have that many doubts about him being scum

I'll rephrase this, I have doubts about being scum but he's still >rand scum which is scummier than NM

Aren't

Disaster Cartel

doing the same thing as

Nachomamma8

?

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble, and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

I think it's a fundamentally weak point because it requires that scum came into the game in this headspace and you have no way of testing that assertion
it also relies partially on the alignments of the people pushing n_m so it's something to maybe come back to d2+ at best for me
and mostly....there's just no need to use this as a crutch in lieu of like....getting reads and shit like normal which i kiiiiiiinda feel you've been doing the whole game

Agreed.

Mena what are your reads?

Tentatively

Notsci — town
Nacho

VFT — lean town
Infinity

BHL — null
Salsa
NM
Bulge

Kismet — lean scum
Cakez
Leafy/glacey

This is without ydra’s input tho, we’ll try to get a unified list up when she’s around later

-Mena

I don't understand from your posts that why do you townread

notscience

but scumread

Kismet

?
Also don't like your vote on

Leafeon and Glaceon

. A very easy slot to push atp (I'm on page #19), especially after they said they're feeling less motivated because of their hydra partner's inactiveness. Bigger fish to try (like

Kismet

from you scum read list) but still go for the easiest one is scummy imo. That's being said.....

UNVOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

Oh it’s bork

I'm taking my Titus comment back (triple embarrassment )!

Oh it’s bork

yes.

and this is kismet:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

anyway glad to have you back salsa

It's 01:44 here am here, still can't cross half of the pages! I'm feeling bad to be back

[Salsabil Faria]

Pagetop

[Salsabil Faria]

I need.....

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 20-22

cuz sircakez did have a few ok posts last night

Ok later!
~ skitter

You're saying I'm not trying to figure his alignment out. Great. I am trying to figure his alignment out - how am I supposed to show that to you? Are the reasons for him being scum unreasonable? Does my push on him fail to outline a scum agenda?

This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.

What do you think about his 476?

I'm not sure there's a good approach to this other than just letting it play out - my treatment of Cakez here is an anomaly in that it's not a way that I've approached someone as town in the past and hope never to approach someone as town in the future. It is something I use often as scum.

The only difference between this and when I use it as scum is the target - I generally leverage an approach like this when I'm trying to discredit someone who can read we well or I'm trying to mislynch someone who should never ever be mislynched.

This gives me hmmm....

seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out

i mean basically

i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing

so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated

~leaf

what was the purpose of the post then?

to throw something out?

the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out

~leaf

Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia

This feels towny for notsci and bork

How?

town?
notscience

bad
Mom
Bulge

worse
VFT

I want to know the reasons for these.

the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out

Weird question, is there a difference for you emotionally? Can you explain it at all? For me these two things feel pretty similar

the former is "i read thread, i don't have any reads from it, but im going to post stuff anyway" and the latter is "i didn't read thread but i still feel like i need to post anyway or else im just a useless slanker"

technically it was both but i forced myself to reread the parts of thread since my last post again

~leaf

Ok, that's bad.

What’s your read on us leafy?

-Mena

going to be fully honest

i was not keeping track of your posts because you did not have an avatar

~leaf

Now, I'm more confused cause I don't see both of you as SvS. This is giving me a headache rn!

Eeveelutions could be town

Who is that??

Did anyone besides nacho think I was tunneling him?

Not sure... this game is basically going around the motion of

Nachomamma8

is scum or not.... (while on page #21)

You and Skitter both keep pretending like all I am interested in today is policying Not Mafia or bust.

also you've moved beyond thta, sure, when that didn't really work out, but you were plugging it p hard at the beginning, and doubled down when people initially objected so

~ skitter, prior one was me too

Quoting to remember this post later.

My brain is stopped working, I really need to go to bed, so I'm gonna finish reading page #22 and be back tomorrow to finish the rest of the thread hopefully if my health condition cooperate.

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Page 23-26

>.>
wait i actually just read it and shouldn't have just looked at the sig before posting
ok i very much disagree with this philosophy because i have no idea what you're thinking this game and while you *might* have a point that readslists are bad (i don't raelly agree with that but whatever) if i can't figure out what your reads are at all we have a problem, esp. since i know that town!you tends to have good reads (and they'd be useful to have) and scum!you doesn't like to post

~ skitter

I can see this is happening here, and it's actually making

Disaster Cartel

look good. I don't see

Leafeon and Glaceon

vs

Disaster Cartel

as SvS yet.

Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.

Why?

Cartel little less yikes. more meh now.

VOTE: leafeon and glaceon

And this vote makes me not to vote

Leafeon and Glaceon

! Jeez, I'm in deep shit!

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

How?

If Kismet is bork that is OBVIOUSLY town

Seems hella convenient that you’re sussing me when I’m like the only one who hasn’t been happy to rubberstamp you as town, kismet!

-Mena

This post is really shitty though and it has such a dumb and illogical implication. Who would go after someone just because they refuse to TR you? This insinuates scum motivation behind the move but that would be such a dumb scum move.

and no, my why on you is partially that, but moreso because I think your SR on me seems fabricated or like it’s at the very least treating me with bad faith

really dislike this
why is DC so concerned with how they are being read? the initial argument here was terrible

I kind of agree with this about

Disaster Cartel

, which is giving me :thonk: as it's coming from you...

Spoiler:

Other notes:
I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.

~Glaceon

Hmm..... this part feels like coming from town.

Done reading. Disaster Cartel is AWFUL and I do not want to move my vote. Nacho is also just ??????? leaning towards scum. All of the hydras are not good actually.

this might seem like a dumb thing to point out but why didn't you say you weren't crazy about our slot in your small list of reads? or had you just not read us at that point? bc i feel like if you think we're that awful we would have been a slot you weren't that crazy about

- ydra

Disaster Cartel

vs

SirCakez

is also not SvS (someone kill me!!)

but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages

- lilith

I kind of disagree.

okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

- lilith

That's I agree but not sure if I want to scumread

Infinity 324

for that only, at least, not yet.

if I'm having a hard time following and understanding Nacho's reasons for his initial push of NM, his read on our slot, the kind of "agenda" that he's presenting to people for why he acts in certain ways, then I think he's way more likely to be scum based on my own experiences.

Well, then why are you singling out

Nachomamma8

only?

Menalque

(from

Disaster Cartel

) also has same

Not_Mafia

agenda, but don't understand why everyone is scumreading

Nachomamma8

but not

Menalque

for this?
I also don't like when 2 heads of the same hydra have completely different pov, it's hard for me to sort them.

oh hi bulge

what did you think about beeboy posting 523 right after that?

- lilith

i think the exchange between inf and leaf ended very unnaturally. then beeboy sort of takes his turn after, tying it back with a mutual TR on inf. all of his other posts in that burst are completely pointless filler

What were (are) you thinking about

Disaster Cartel

that time (or now)?

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Page 27-30

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

Basically I had this idea where mistyx would not force thoughts if she didn't have any as town where she would force them as scum. It doesnt look like that was correct, but I finished townreading her for 510 which I felt like she would've presented differently (perhaps not even quoting my post) if it was both wrong and fake as opposed to just wrong.

I tried to follow your train of thought, misty's train of thought in 510, her initial post in 500, and the post she quoted as "your original push on her" which was just you saying you felt motivationless and I do not understand how any of that is resulting in a townread on misty

- lilith

I went to re-read the conversation between

Infinity 324

and

Leafeon and Glaceon

, and actually agree with

lilith2013

(from

Venus Fly Trap

) on this matter. Iirc, I most probably asked

Infinity 324

in one of my catch-up posts that why she townread them, don't know if she answers yet, but her reply on 652 still not makes sense to me.

I like

The Bulge

's 660 so far.

okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

- lilith

hey wow I was just reading that part and thinking exactly the same thing

what do you two think about kismet's part in the interaction then?

~leaf

The way it looks to me is that

Kismet

is townreading

Infinity 324

, so they want to keep in consideration what she feels about your slot.

Ya he was pissed at me in that jk++ cuz we were hydra'd and i wouldnt let hjm flip nm and nm was actually scum and he's getting annoyed at me again and idk why he would if he were scum here

@bulge this was the context
~ skits

Yeah but let's say

Disaster Cartel

are scum here, scum!

Menalque

already draws attention towards them, what would scum!

Ydrasse

do to divert attention from them? The way

Ydrasse

is playing here is similar she did on a postponed game where I was also there, she was a town that game but this gameplay can be easily faked.

I do think nacho believes it's protown to lim NM here, but he's scum for other reasons

Can you mention the other reasons again if you already posted?

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Can you share the reasons if you don't yet?

notscience

's 685 is good, though I want to know more your thoughts about

SirCakez

and

Leafeon and Glaceon

. Why did you think they're town that time?

Hot take: Nacho is planning on dying d1 as scum and bussed all his buddies so they could ride the towncred

I feel like it's coming off I'm tunneling but I'm really looking more for townreads and havent really found a reason to townread him

Either you guys are obsessed or I'm failing to see what you guys are seeing He is in my null-list btw.

but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages

don't really agree so far, and trying not to be tunnely, but i think Ydrasse was dragged kicking and screaming into the "fun-zone" instead of wanting to be there organically and is exhibiting the most bare minimum levels of Ydrassity in order not to get speed elimed

^
This.

Y'all post too much, how am I supposed to scumhunt like this?

Ikr!

I think a lot of my trepidation around nacho revolves around my history of scumreading him and him never ever being scum (still to this day don't recall a T-bork S-nacho table)

i'm basically trying to search in my heart of hearts to see if 458 comes from town and see if his incredulity is because i am not getting him there or if he's just pushing me away.

The point i was trying to make in the post at the beginning of that chain was that he goes in w/ cakez and makes a big deal about how he's going to make the game miserable for cakez if his attitude continues, which isn't a sentiment i expect from someone unsure of why cakez is doing what he's doing, and i don't know if nacho legitimately missed the point i was trying to make and thought i was saying "his push was unwarranted" or is just trying to be obtuse about it.

the thing that gives me pause is that nacho and i have interacted this way in the past, although admittedly not recently.

I just don't have a lot of confidence in my ability to read him overall.

see he's right that I have misread him many times before
but also like as scum would he lean into that against me?
:/

Yeah, that's the summary of

Nachomamma8

's pushing you which gives me a ping.

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Good talk

~Glaceon

Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

I don't get it, can you elaborate?

420 and 422

I know these posts basically just agree with what Nacho said.
But I still town read it anyway, it feels like almost annoyed in a way?
Like "my read here is above average, I know its not perfect but that's good enough for me", like the way it's written just feels super town to me. As scum I feel like it would read more like someone who is simply just arguing semantics rather then what I am seeing here.

What does Mist think of your point here?

Good catch, I also want to know

Mistyx

's pov here.

@Mistyx

, if you didn't give your opinion, can you share it now?

Given that I can’t just be sheeping him bc of that, I find it weird that someone who’s coming to the game from a v similar viewpoint in many ways, he doesn’t see as town

Two pieces of my response here.

First, you'll find that no read that I make goes "I agree with his reads thus likelier to be town" nor "I disagree with his reads thus less likely to be town". I believe this just makes the confirmation bias problem worse - I don't know if my reads are right or wrong so for all I know I could be townreading the scumteam and trying to kill townies.

This is a good post.

[Off topic: can anyone explain to me this

naunce

word please?]

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

I'm starting to agree with this.

And I'm failing to see what townie thing(s) he did so far

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 31-37

nacho i think the convo for later for us is vft because that is likely to be where we have the most difference of opinion so far. i need to reread skitter's posts from today before i commit to that read as it was like 7:30am when i did initially, but i was very much a fan and her content is not all just centered around you.

I look forward to this. I know that I owe a full explanation on my VFT read; currently feels like I'm the only person that doesn't think they are the towniest towns who ever towned which is causing me to dig my heels in a bit more than I'd like to but I'd like to get that read sorted out quick so I can determine whether I'm being dumb or not.

who is townbinning VFT?

I'm leaning town on

Venus Fly Trap

fyi.

You (and to a lesser extent Bork) will likely mislynch me even though you should know me better by now, and you will be responsible taking my voice out of the game. I'm asking for you to follow my reads after my death until they steer us wrong, which yes is absolutely something I'd do for you.

Don't you think you're getting paranoid again??

this whole post is like trying to handwave away criticism while you yourself are acknowledging a few posts up that this isn't the way you typically play as town so like

My anger at Cakez is something that is one off and unique - the focus on it is misguided because it is something that is one off and unique. Whenever people do something outside of their range as a player it's pretty hard to then determine their alignment from it unless you know them intimately as people and neither bork or notsci know me that well.

I don't think your read on me has evolved. You've added to it over time with commenting vague thoughts on how my tone sucks or you hate my interactions with Cakez but there's nothing that shows nuance and there's not a point where it feels like you care what color that I flip.

ok soooo you're basically telling me that you're so pissed off at sircakez for something that happened two months ago that you insta-scumread him and are aggressive abt it in a way that doesn't match anything he actually did here, in this game. and that that's a more likely explanation than you just deciding he was an easy place to push here and thus doing so - at a time in the game where iirc several other people were suspicious of him as well

and i will now note that in recent pages, as general feeling towards sircakez has shifted more towards a townread, you're also rethinking that for ??? reasons

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

I'm starting to agree with this.

you're right, i don't know you from adam and maybe this is what you would do as town but:
a) people who i believe know you more than me (i.e. bork, notsci) also think this is weird
b) like i have a general vibe of what your towngame is supposed to be and true it's not firsthand but how you're interacting with sircakez here is not really fitting that paradigm. and like idk i'm usually kinda good at makign these sort of assessments, even if i don't have firsthand experience so to me this is worth taking into account.
(and hey if you want examples of this i actually can pull some recent ones! see: murdercat in panic room!)

~ skitter

I mean you have a point here, but ngl, I still want to give him a pass today.

Spoiler:

Don't hate me, I had to do this

^ group is all subject to re-eval tomorrow (including infinity, and those are pretty separate tiers hence the spacing, but i am squicked enough by the people pushing l&g that i have lost any interest in that wagon)

Wut? People will push their scumreads all the time, why will you lost interest if you're not townreading them?? Or you're townreading them?

holding vft to the same level as notsci and infinity is also silly - yes vft is town but those two left their scumranges a long long time ago and skitter hasn't done anything that absurdly town

Wait, didn't you just change your read on

Venus Fly Trap

a few/few hours earlier???

I'm glad that we're all town together too.
I'm sad that y'all won't see it until you kill me.

I'm glad that we're all town together too.
I'm sad that y'all won't see it until you kill me.

don't know what to say man
as usual if i'm wrong you have the requisite mea culpa, and i'll own the bad read.

It's okay!
I'm still having fun, it's kind of fun getting mislynched over people like L&G. And Bulge. And Mom.

I'm changing my mind about you. I don't like when people start to use AtE. I'm leaning scum on you.

UNVOTE: Disaster Cartel

VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Off topic (2): I also want to know the meaning of

iioa

]

I like

Nachomamma8

's case about

Leafeon and Glaceon

on 887. Not sure about 889 and 890 yet, they're in my null list.

We could just elim you guys if you want?

I'm thinking the same....

I would be pretty unhappy if anyone except nacho was limmed today

This is called tunneling.

His cases aren't someone who believes players are scum, his mindset is "why me instead of these people who aren't doing anything"

But I'm also agreeing with this part so meh...

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 38-46

its why eliming hypothetical town!n_m day 1 is literally like the worst case scenario. scum just flips one of their own lurkers next and we're nowhere

And I addressed this in my last post but this is just not true at all.

Just no. This is frustrating as all hell - I don't believe that when ffery post my flip that one of your thoughts will be "WELP AT LEAST WE DIDN'T MISLYNCH NOT_MAFIA" and if it is then I have no nice words for you here.

Not sure about others, but you're really giving me hard time in this game bro.

@ydra Talk to mena about nacho for me

Nacho keeps posting stuff that pings me and I'm at the point where he's just always going to be my preferred elim for today so yeah

Oh if that's the case nacho is even more scummy here somehow

Yeah I also feel paranoid that everyone seems to have the same reads but townblocs are rough for scum to deal with, if nacho flips town I'll re-evaluate

I would be pretty unhappy if anyone except nacho was limmed today

His cases aren't someone who believes players are scum, his mindset is "why me instead of these people who aren't doing anything"

yeah you don't just get to sit on your hands and push me for the rest of the day
who are my partners? who am I bussing? who do you townread and why?

Hmm.... I'll not be surprised to see

Infinity 324

is scum in the case you flipped town.

Nachomamma8

's 953 I'm keeping under consideration. By doing this, I just realize that my heart still wants to give a pass to him on Day 1. So, I'm unvoting again (sue me if you want but this game is hard! )

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

I could get into my "how do I know how confident to be" thing but basically, it's more common that I have a correct early scumread but drop the read than I have a wrong SR and don't re-evaluate.

Letting scum that you caught early and having a wrong sr and failing to re-evaluate are both different sides of the same coin - just means that you are prioritizing the wrong information.

In this circumstance I know that I'm not blameless - I played up my desire for the NM lynch early more than I should because I thought it would generate discussion and I should have realized that my approach to Cakez would ping notsci and bork.

But I have put in the work to talk about what I think and why I think it. I think that my game play doesn't make sense as a whole for scum, especially since the prevailing idea seems to be that I'm just bussing the hell out of my team because it makes sense for me to post basically 200 times in a day and not advance my scum agenda at all. I think that notsci and bork should both know me well enough to know that this is not how my approach to the game looks at all if I'm scum here.

I don't deserve what I'm getting here.

If you're emotional/using emotion as scum here and if I'll be eliminated for trusting you, I'm gonna hate you hard!

I think L&G are town so yeah

What

Leafeon and Glaceon

are doing here is not townie at all fmpov. If you don't scumread them, they should be on your null-list not town-list imo.

Nachomamma8

's 971 is also going in my consideration-later-list.

The Bulge

's 973 too.

notscience

hasn't made a huge splash in the game so far, but I would probably be suspicious if he was putting himself front and centre trying to keep a hold on the reins of the game. most of what he's done so far is reach out to familiar players, and present theories and takes as non-sequiturs, all par for the course.

I'm not a big fan of his nacho case.

I think town notty would be more likely to want to assume a more assertive role in the town, but that could be affected by playerlist. I think with fewer players who know him, notty would feel more comfortable and free to break from his usual posting style. most of what he's done so far is give reads and push suspicions. I don't like the way he throws his vote around. I would expect town notty to be a little more meek in a way. he hasn't done much apart from replying to direct questions, and asking his own, but he only follows up in the moment and rarely comes back to past conversations. however, I do appreciate the consistency with which he maintains his lines of questioning ever after a lilt in discussion.

The wall on nacho is pretty convincing

. notty hasn't done anything this game except throw down votes and vibe with his friends. If he were scum I think he'd see an opportunity in this setup to take more control of the game's trajectory. I don't think we need to worry about this slot, but I have my eye on him.

okay i just want to clear up bulge: are you talking about two separate things (that i bolded) because you're saying you're not a big fan of the case and then you're like, actually it's convincing and that makes no sense to me

- ydra

Quoting this if

The Bulge

don't give a reply on this yet.

43 pages

Post of the game!

Spoiler:

i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum

~leaf

Did you ever play with

Not_Mafia

before??

My reasons for SRing nacho don't really have to do with him SRing NM, he just feels fake to me.

Can you elaborate more?

Cakes, infinity, VFP, NM, Bulge

Do you want to share reasons if you didn't already? And, they are in your scum pool?

fuck this tbh

half of you know for a fact im town anyway. and I think for the rest of you you should be able to tell from gamestate that I'm town here. because, again, half the plist knows my alignment already and they FUCKING WISH they could actually push me on anything from that wall but I've managed to coast thus far because the scumteam knows my thoughts come from a town perspective. anyway this game has caused me nothing but immense stress and anxiety the last 72+ hours so peace for now

anyone who has a problem with my levels of engagement moving forward can suck my toe!!!!!!!!

this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again

-Mena

Why did you think 97 or 230 could be AI at all?

Bulge why didn't you ask a clarifying question about the skitt read? Or try to take into account the context (skitt's overall enjoyment of playing scum lately)?

Hmm.... I also want to know

The Bulge

's pov here.

Salsa when you finish your catchup I am extremely interested in a sort of coalesced read from you on Nacho.

I'm willing to give him a Day 1 pass and he is still in my consideration-later-list, when you read my catch-up wall posts, you'll understand the reason. If you want to know about specific something, feel free to mention it here. Hopefully, I'll come back tomorrow to engage with you or anyone.

this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again

-Mena

what’s “annoying” about it

you feel like you did in panic room with this whole “it’s not MY fault everyone is scumreading me, read me better!!1!1!1!” and then flouncing off without giving us a way to read you better.

- lilith

^
This.

I can see this is happening here, and it's actually making Disaster Cartel look good. I don't see Leafeon and Glaceon vs Disaster Cartel as SvS yet.

what does this mean? DC wasn’t in the conversation as far as I can tell?

- lilith

Infinity 324

is the who brought it 1st that

beeboy

(from

Leafeon and Glaceon

) doesn't post much as scum. It was a meta thought which I couldn't follow as I didn't play with

beeboy

before. But the way they're playing, I can see the meta-thing is actually happening here, especially 221 pings me. And I'm also not sure about

Leafeon and Glaceon

and

Disaster Cartel

are being scum together by seeing their interaction with each other, so if

Leafeon and Glaceon

is scum, then

Disaster Cartel

are not maybe?

We quake in boots, ur talent so strong, u do such good job catching us!!!1!!1!1!!1!1!1

Bulge let me know when you read nacho. I’m fine killing him today and will reap the “I told you sos” later if I’m wrong.

Mena hydra goes tomorrow. I agree with lillith wrt the AtE and for someone so done with this game he sure is doing a lot of following along with this game.

wow notsci, so good at game, much scummy 4 me, wow, great

Yea, f**k it.

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

[Salsabil Faria]

Y'all make my life measurable! I had to finish 46 pages in 2 days with being sick + having 5 hours sleep in total I don't want to engage with anyone today, I'll come back tomorrow in this thread. In the meantime, y'all have to send me lots of chocolates, cakes, ice-creams asap

Spoiler:

This is my recent fav song, don't know why want to share the song with you bad people

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa unable to decide which shitwagon to push lol

Yeah, right. I'm scum, it's what I'm gonna do.
Btw, other than your slot, which ones are the shitwagons

Menalque

? I changed my vote between you,

SirCakez

and

Nachomamma8

so far.

For those keeping score, there’s zero explanation in menas iso why he’s townreading nacho. (Mena, not ydra)

And you still want to give them a pass today?

fuck this tbh

half of you know for a fact im town anyway. and I think for the rest of you you should be able to tell from gamestate that I'm town here. because, again, half the plist knows my alignment already and they FUCKING WISH they could actually push me on anything from that wall but I've managed to coast thus far because the scumteam knows my thoughts come from a town perspective. anyway this game has caused me nothing but immense stress and anxiety the last 72+ hours so peace for now

i kinda hate this post and think it's scummy

~ skitter

Agreed.

That’s basically where I’m at. I think scum is all in

(Nacho, notmaf, mena, mom, LG) and if one of those is town it’s bulge or salsa

Yea yea.... can't find scum, so Salsa is the one!

Actually, kismet is town, your slot is kinda gross for your other head, cakez, salsa, leafy are all probably scum

So maybe like (salsa, cakez, leafy) and then probably 2/4 of (NM, bulge, mom, VFT)

Do you scumread me from the start of the game, or it has started recently because I start to scumread you hence vote you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, other than your slot, which ones are the shitwagons Menalque? I changed my vote between you, SirCakez and Nachomamma8 so far.

...pretty obviously mine and nacho’s given that I’d

literally

just posted about how nacho is a TR and that I think cakez is scum

Good talk (2)

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you scumread me from the start of the game, or it has started recently because I start to scumread you hence vote you?

I was waiting to give you a chance after your initial vote on me and instead of having any like, actual thought process on scum or why X is scum, you’ve just been creating justifications to shift between what I think are the two easiest wagons for scum to be on (mine/nacho’s)

I don't scumread

Nachomamma8

, that's why change my vote. I did scumread your slot, and am still scumreading your slot, so voted your slot. And for knowing the thought process of mine, you have to read my posts.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread Nachomamma8, that's why change my vote

And so you were voting and unvoting him why if you don’t scumread him?

While I was catching up, he was emotional at some point which I thought scum using AtE but after reading more, I felt genuine emotion there.

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually, kismet is town, your slot is kinda gross for your other head, cakez, salsa, leafy are all probably scum

what pings you about lilith in particular?

(1) she’s just kind of unenthusiastic for the game compared to what I’d expect from town lili and more importantly (2) I think lili’s approach of “oh mena you remind me of this one game where you were scum” instead of like, trying to have any positive interaction with me or to help get me back into the game (when I’d say that we normally have a pretty positive relationship in thread) when I’m already frozen out is +scum for the slot. It’s like the exact opposite of what skitter is doing which is weird but possibly may just be hydra dissonance?

Tbf, I'm also getting the similar vibe from scum!you of Panic Room.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, I have not answered a single question in your catch-ups. You have not called me on this. Why are you asking questions and not following up? Second, I gave you a team of five people abd then “if it is not these five then scum is here” and I got met with a discredit. So now, if mena is town, salsa is scum.

Cause I can't understand you, and I don't remember if I ask you anything or not in particular. ALso, I think I'm following up?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, I have not answered a single question in your catch-ups. You have not called me on this. Why are you asking questions and not following up? Second, I gave you a team of five people abd then “if it is not these five then scum is here” and I got met with a discredit. So now, if mena is town, salsa is scum.

Cause I can't understand you, and I don't remember if I ask you anything or not in particular. ALso, I think I'm following up?

Also, I just caught up with everything, I'm giving time to people to read my posts + I'm going slow myself.

SirCakez

answered everything ig, I'll check that later if anything got slipped in between. But you still don't give any answer but scumread me??

[Salsabil Faria]

That's because I'm pretty tired these days with rl stuff, I have to ISO diving you to engage with you which I don't feel like doing atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

I just realized I didn't share my read-list....

Good group:

Kismet

,

Venus Fly Trap

Re-evaluate group:

Nachomamma8

,

SirCakez

,

Infinity 324

Null group:

Not_Mafia

,

Momrangal

,

notscience

,

The Bulge

Bad group:

Leafeon and Glaceon

,

Disaster Cartel

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm pretty burned out today from playing another game, I'll check this thread tomorrow first. Sorry!

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm here now, will start to catch up but will post when I'll be on pc, I'm using phone now, it’s tough to format and quoting.

[Salsabil Faria]

Unvote, Vote: The Bulge

Whenever I try to feel good about my read on you, you just do something which makes me feel different about you

[Salsabil Faria]

cakez i know you wanting to catch me is funny memes and all but this aint the game where it gets to happen

Why are you town

petapan

? Your predecessor slot did nothing to townread them.

[Salsabil Faria]

Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.

I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have to

Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.

I don't understand... what is your read on

The Bulge

,

notscience

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.

Actually, I don't see

Nachomamma8

as a scum yet, because of this:

he starts off the game with a move that draws negative attention to himself like trying to policy n_m as scum because he knows he'll get blowback,

I mean, why scum!

Nachomamma8

will do that in Day 1?

[Salsabil Faria]

@cakez be my lld means sheep me and If I’m wrong you can kill me

If you're wrong and a town, which means killing you will be a 2nd miselimination..... what kind of town play you're trying to play actually??

[Salsabil Faria]

i mean of course you're gonna say that since he's defending you >:(

Yes. Yes I am. It is refreshing to have someone defending me for once because I am obviously town here and anyone who has glanced at my recent scum meta would know it.

I am looking for players who are flippable other than me. Because I am town and they are possibly not town. Because me in town for another day is much more advantageous to town then Bulge in town for another day regardless of his alignment at this point.

I maybe would not be playing so heavily for survival at this point if I haven't been public enemy #1 for the entirety of this game (and I don't think I've fucked up significantly!!! I've been weird but I'm a weird person but I don't think I've fucked up this game to deserve this level of heat!!!).

And yeah maybe he is scum who is defending me because I'd expect him to townread me here but that's okay. Because Petapan makes me happy. And if he makes me happy then I don't want to die trying to kill him even though yes. Figured people would dislike me moving my vote.

This is gross!

[Salsabil Faria]

If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.

Okay so hear me out.

1) Maybe the scum we are playing against aren't very good. Maybe they don't feel good finding a reason to get on my wagon without repeating stuff you four fine folk have already said and getting heat for it.

2) Maybe scum is just letting it happen because they're chuckling at the carnival of lunacy currently dancing its way through the thread.

WIFOM
Btw, you don't respond to my single question about you yet. I know you said you're busy, but when you'll be free, can you do that at first please?

[Salsabil Faria]

but then you post 1264 where you basically give up on what i feel is a very viable push on someone you scumread just because a player you like now occupies the slot despite the fact that he hasn't done shitall (and again have explicitly given me shit for not scumreading earlier in the game) and i again have no idea what you're doing except trying to screw with people

^
This.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: notscience

[Salsabil Faria]

he's like the second towniest person in the thread

~ skitter

not sure but meh.

[Salsabil Faria]

Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.

I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have to

Bork beeboy lurked into a replace out in your game don’t you let up on the gas at all.

Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.

Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.

(Also two votes hardly constitutes a wagon)

@cakez be my lld means sheep me and If I’m wrong you can kill me

@mara- look nachos picking on more LHF you should vote him

@notmafia- I’m gonna get you a pretty hammer

this is the most obvious desperate hustle to secure a misyeet before i can derail it

used car salesman energy

Why scum!

notscience

will draw the attention towards him? The reason you gave for townreading

Nachomamma8

on 1523, can be applied for town!

notscience

's too...

[Salsabil Faria]

I think notscience is town

How many pages you read so far exactly?

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa vote nacho please?

- lilith

Let me catch-up first please, I'm going fast as much as I can, my internet is troubling

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is hilarious

[Salsabil Faria]

and i'm wondering how many times you'll end up killing obvtown before you realize this townblock is toxic and you are being pocketed

Nachomamma8

isn't obvtown lol!

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't scumread Nachomamma8, that's why change my vote

And so you were voting and unvoting him why if you don’t scumread him?

While I was catching up, he was emotional at some point which I thought scum using AtE but after reading more, I felt genuine emotion there.

okay what was the thing that made you think it was genuine? bc I can see where you voted nacho and unvoted him and that you said you think stuff like 958 is genuine but not why you think that

When I was reading 871, it pinged me, which was the time I started to think about him differently. Then 879, 883 happened which made me feel scum!him using AtE. That's why voted him that time. I also agreed with

Infinity 324

's 917.
In that time, his 887 happened where I liked the

Leafeon and Glaceon

part. Then his 935, 953, 958, 971 were giving me 2nd thoughts mainly. As I couldn't decide on him clearly, I decided to unvote him for future consideration. The main points were: his

Not_Mafia

elimination thought process drew attention towards him which I thought scum!him wouldn't go down to that path by knowing it. his interaction with

SirCakez

was mainly based on other games which

SirCakez

also agreed on a couple of times here. So overall, I saw his frustration/emotion genuine there.

and the whole thing seems like you just can't decide if you wanna try to coax the wagon through or to stay off and vote elsewhere (incidentally picking another very safe target to vote in aiming at me)

I'm getting a feeling that this is coming from scum!you. Like, you decided at first I'm a scum then using cherry on the top method to justify your read on me instead of actually wants to know my thought process. And there is no rule that I can't townread someone on page 5 because I scumread them on page 1.

[Salsabil Faria]

were you in panic room? bc I wouldn't really trust second hand meta if you're just skimming it knowing my alignment...

I was the obvtown who you night killed

[Salsabil Faria]

maybe now more like (cakez, salsa) scum

If your slot is actually a town, it'll be pretty disappointing.

[Salsabil Faria]

but like salsa and cakez are the worse culprits there but by the time you were also doing it I already felt like fuck this game vibes

Do a scum case on me, I'll love to go one-on-one with you on this matter.

[Salsabil Faria]

@The Bulge or Salsa

Free towncred to whoever sets up notmafia to hammer

Lol!

[Salsabil Faria]

Here are the relevant posts and they’re just bad or neutral:

Spoiler:

VOTE: venus fly trap
Cursed hydra

blah

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

looking for reasons to avoid NM

scumlords!

nothing posting

I see a bunch of pages here but it is very late so I will see y'all tomorrow

nothing posting

policying NM is my idea of a good time

-Mena

why not a good book ^.^

no

VOTE: NM

-Mena

Eh, I don't like this vote.

UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

I will sheep this in lack of something better
still reading

VOTE: disaster cartel

incredibly lazy vote on me that’s not really justified but worth bearing in mind that I’m p sure others had also been voicing dislike of me (like kismet) making this safe

I like Kismet, Salsa and Infinity. Not crazy about notsci, L+G, or Venus Fly Trap. I can have lots of scumreads in this game

I stg if we have to have another conversation about policy limming and why it’s worth it I will put my face through my desk given the context

-Mena

this seems so fake

Or we could let the game breathe and if we really can’t come up with a better option and need a deadline scramble then we decide to go there

I’m not saying we speed lim I’m saying that the only reason policy lims don’t work is bc people get attached to their pet SRs which most of the time aren’t any better than rand, and we should just play it safe and agree that we’re limming NM unless someone basically claims scum

-Mena

YIKES

Vote: Not_Mafia

Was a fun thought while it lasted. Don't think notscience is out of scum range but do like what he's posted so far.

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute), then ^this^ is a potential partner.

sure dude

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

Isn't beeboy the one who just doesn't post as scum?

this is true

This has already been covered, but when pushed on these reasons they just... weren’t good and didn’t have much depth to them. But after I interrogated cakez on that, did he like re-evaluate or revise his read at all? No, he just doubled down, and that’s what he’s done on nacho too

He’s just picking the easiest targets and coming up with reasons to have his vote on them. His vote on nacho is v much scum looking to make sure a wagon goes through imo

I'm not disagreeing with you that

SirCakez

's early posts are actually bad, but what about his later posts? Which posts are scummy to you? He is on my re-evaluation list because of that.

[Salsabil Faria]

Like I said in my last pool I could see a mena town world

It just means salsa is scum

And here I thought you're only tunneled on

Nachomamma8

[Salsabil Faria]

mine is not good enough

Post of the game (2)

[Salsabil Faria]

The more vocal people die the more nacho can strongarm.

Nacho or bust.

If

Nachomamma8

flips green, you sure will get a heart-attack!

[Salsabil Faria]

Why? I'm using a different method.

Nachomamma8

is the one slot atm that I'm finding very hard to read, flip-floping is because of that.

[Salsabil Faria]

Vote: Momrangal

Knew it was too good to be true wrt Cakez. Is okay.

[Salsabil Faria]

Because we have a wagon that struggles to get traction, and a player who goes back and forth with calling it scum and town is obviously suspect. It’s part of why maras non answer about her nacho read is sketchy as well.

One word answer, what are your reads on-Kismet, skitterlillith, infinity, me, and Cakez?

Go through my ISO, you'll find the readlist.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm on page #59, internet is getting pretty slow.

[Salsabil Faria]

salsa also still active on site

My other game was closed to the deadline.

[Salsabil Faria]

Because everyone else is either so keen to either ignore him, ignore what's happening around him or seemingly chainsaw.


Like how all I've done is omgus?

Pedit: my feelings around nacho are complex

What are your current reads?

[Salsabil Faria]

Your fearless moderator may not be competing for the page tops for the next 2-3 days. I'm getting the second vaccine stab tomorrow.

[Salsabil Faria]

Cakez, mena doesn't seem to be the type of player to use a lot of AtE as scum?

He did in panic room, were you there?

[Salsabil Faria]

1255 is referring to beeboy and nacho not bulge

Oh, ok...

[Salsabil Faria]

I’m best read via tone if you arent strong with that it’s harder

But i really am ridiculously obv town this game lmao

Problem is I'm familiar with your modding but not with your gameplay, it'll take a lot more to see you as an obvtown than self meta. Iirc, you were the mod of panic room (open)?

[Salsabil Faria]

Because we have a wagon that struggles to get traction, and a player who goes back and forth with calling it scum and town is obviously suspect. It’s part of why maras non answer about her nacho read is sketchy as well.

Then I can say that you're so confident as a town that

Nachomamma8

will flip red is also suspicious.

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, to be very honest,

Nachomamma8

is still in my re-evaluation group cause I just can't sort him. But I also think, his wagon is the best bet for upcoming days atp.

UNVOTE: Disaster Cartel

VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Salsabil Faria]

Cakez, mena doesn't seem to be the type of player to use a lot of AtE as scum?

He did in panic room, were you there?

It didn't feel like this game I don't think (though I didn't have to sort him there) and it was a uniquely dire situation

Yes, I know that but when

lilith2013

also mentioned the same thing, his reaction towards her was pretty bad and unnecessary imo.

[Salsabil Faria]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

[Salsabil Faria]

mine

[Salsabil Faria]

Eh, I don't like this vote.

y

Your vote here looks like as

Venus Fly Trap

don't want to eliminate/vote

Not_Mafia

, you take this as a challenge or you scumread him for that or both which was not clear to me. Then I start to read page #7 and it seems the vote is because of the meta, which also not enough to vote

Not_Mafia

fmpov.

@Disaster Cartel

, what was your take on my reply?

[Salsabil Faria]

Vote: SirCakez

I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.

uh so these nacho and sircakez interactions are certainly A Thing

~ skitter

What did you mean? and why?

I think we're on the same page re:nacho and cakez!

About?

Instead of just shutting the fuck up, targeting elsewhere, and then going after NM for not doing anything and potentially having quickhammered in lylo

So, if I'm reading right, fyo, if we don't eliminate

Not_Mafia

on Day 1, he'll land straight on the lylo??

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: leafy and glacey

-Mena

Reason?

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble,
-Mena

I mean, don't scums normally want to buss their partner(s) if it's not necessary?

and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

Don't understand this part. Are you saying who are defending

Not_Mafia

here are scums? I don't agree.
FYI, I'm not particularly townreading

Not_Mafia

, he kind of always in my null list.

EBWOP

Nacho looks relatively towny from an Objective StandpointTM but I don't have that many doubts about him being scum

I'll rephrase this, I have doubts about being scum but he's still >rand scum which is scummier than NM

Aren't

Disaster Cartel

doing the same thing as

Nachomamma8

?

Mena what are your reads?

Tentatively

Notsci — town
Nacho

VFT — lean town
Infinity

BHL — null
Salsa
NM
Bulge

Kismet — lean scum
Cakez
Leafy/glacey

This is without ydra’s input tho, we’ll try to get a unified list up when she’s around later

-Mena

I don't understand from your posts that why do you townread

notscience

but scumread

Kismet

?
Also don't like your vote on

Leafeon and Glaceon

. A very easy slot to push atp (I'm on page #19), especially after they said they're feeling less motivated because of their hydra partner's inactiveness. Bigger fish to try (like

Kismet

from you scum read list) but still go for the easiest one is scummy imo. That's being said.....

UNVOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

[Salsabil Faria]

To those I asked question(s), if you answered already you don't have to answer it again. I'm quoting these to separate from my wall-posts.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 20-22

cuz sircakez did have a few ok posts last night

Ok later!
~ skitter

You're saying I'm not trying to figure his alignment out. Great. I am trying to figure his alignment out - how am I supposed to show that to you? Are the reasons for him being scum unreasonable? Does my push on him fail to outline a scum agenda?

This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.

What do you think about his 476?

Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia

This feels towny for notsci and bork

How?

town?
notscience

bad
Mom
Bulge

worse
VFT

I want to know the reasons for these.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.

Why?

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

How?

if I'm having a hard time following and understanding Nacho's reasons for his initial push of NM, his read on our slot, the kind of "agenda" that he's presenting to people for why he acts in certain ways, then I think he's way more likely to be scum based on my own experiences.

Well, then why are you singling out

Nachomamma8

only?

Menalque

(from

Disaster Cartel

) also has same

Not_Mafia

agenda, but don't understand why everyone is scumreading

Nachomamma8

but not

Menalque

for this?
I also don't like when 2 heads of the same hydra have completely different pov, it's hard for me to sort them.

oh hi bulge

what did you think about beeboy posting 523 right after that?

- lilith

i think the exchange between inf and leaf ended very unnaturally. then beeboy sort of takes his turn after, tying it back with a mutual TR on inf. all of his other posts in that burst are completely pointless filler

What were (are) you thinking about

Disaster Cartel

that time (or now)?

[Salsabil Faria]

I do think nacho believes it's protown to lim NM here, but he's scum for other reasons

Can you mention the other reasons again if you already posted?

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Can you share the reasons if you don't yet?

notscience

's 685 is good, though I want to know more your thoughts about

SirCakez

and

Leafeon and Glaceon

. Why did you think they're town that time?

Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

I don't get it, can you elaborate?

[Off topic: can anyone explain to me this

naunce

word please?]

[Salsabil Faria]

You (and to a lesser extent Bork) will likely mislynch me even though you should know me better by now, and you will be responsible taking my voice out of the game. I'm asking for you to follow my reads after my death until they steer us wrong, which yes is absolutely something I'd do for you.

Don't you think you're getting paranoid again??

^ group is all subject to re-eval tomorrow (including infinity, and those are pretty separate tiers hence the spacing, but i am squicked enough by the people pushing l&g that i have lost any interest in that wagon)

Wut? People will push their scumreads all the time, why will you lost interest if you're not townreading them?? Or you're townreading them?

holding vft to the same level as notsci and infinity is also silly - yes vft is town but those two left their scumranges a long long time ago and skitter hasn't done anything that absurdly town

Wait, didn't you just change your read on

Venus Fly Trap

a few/few hours earlier???

[Salsabil Faria]

notscience

hasn't made a huge splash in the game so far, but I would probably be suspicious if he was putting himself front and centre trying to keep a hold on the reins of the game. most of what he's done so far is reach out to familiar players, and present theories and takes as non-sequiturs, all par for the course.

I'm not a big fan of his nacho case.

I think town notty would be more likely to want to assume a more assertive role in the town, but that could be affected by playerlist. I think with fewer players who know him, notty would feel more comfortable and free to break from his usual posting style. most of what he's done so far is give reads and push suspicions. I don't like the way he throws his vote around. I would expect town notty to be a little more meek in a way. he hasn't done much apart from replying to direct questions, and asking his own, but he only follows up in the moment and rarely comes back to past conversations. however, I do appreciate the consistency with which he maintains his lines of questioning ever after a lilt in discussion.

The wall on nacho is pretty convincing

. notty hasn't done anything this game except throw down votes and vibe with his friends. If he were scum I think he'd see an opportunity in this setup to take more control of the game's trajectory. I don't think we need to worry about this slot, but I have my eye on him.

okay i just want to clear up bulge: are you talking about two separate things (that i bolded) because you're saying you're not a big fan of the case and then you're like, actually it's convincing and that makes no sense to me

- ydra

Quoting this if

The Bulge

don't give a reply on this yet.

My reasons for SRing nacho don't really have to do with him SRing NM, he just feels fake to me.

Can you elaborate more?

Cakes, infinity, VFP, NM, Bulge

Do you want to share reasons if you didn't already? And, they are in your scum pool?

Why did you think 97 or 230 could be AI at all?

Bulge why didn't you ask a clarifying question about the skitt read? Or try to take into account the context (skitt's overall enjoyment of playing scum lately)?

Hmm.... I also want to know

The Bulge

's pov here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

I just powerbussed and lost as scum I wouldn’t be bussing nacho I figured that was your implication

But I was the mod of that game. I’m diff as a player.

Where did I imply that??

[Salsabil Faria]

Regarding my would [scum] and [town] post- Nacho entered the game and it’s mentioning how Cakez always scumread him and I was asking if that behavior is something more likely to be seen from town or scum.

Re/implication- you were saying I was suspicious for being positive nacho was scum, I figured you were going for a TMI angle

I still don't get it lol (my brain is stopped working for some reason!), can you mention the post number, please?

The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it. Nacho!town would be a recipient of the chainsaw defense to save NM. Nacho!scum would never be a recipient. If NM flips scum, Nacho is conftown

I don't get this part either..... If

Nachomamma8

flips town, then

Not_Mafia

will be confscum by your logic? Then what's the problem if

Nachomamma8

flips today but not

Not_Mafia

??

I'm town

Post of the game (3?/4?)

and what if Nacho is scum, like many think?
what do you mean what has happened around NM?

Then my theory is wrong.

The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it. Nacho!town would be a recipient of the chainsaw defense to save NM. Nacho!scum would never be a recipient. If NM flips scum, Nacho is conftown

why would we flip NM first when Nacho gives 10x info?

I don't think that is the case.

How?

Not_Mafia

only has 10 posts so far.

also you still haven’t provided any explanation for your scumpool

- lilith

@Momrangal

....

legit probably like salsa at this point so there's that.

What do you mean?

I got vaccinated on Tuesday and ended up sleeping through all of yesterday. I should be back late tonight after work if all goes well.

I hope you're feeling better

I'm getting mine today so might not be around depending on how i feel too

~ skitter

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

Nacho wagon seems weirdly sticky

Who do you sus from that wagon?

[Salsabil Faria]

Countdown: (expired on 2021-04-25 21:00:00)

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod, I hurt my right hand pretty badly by doing a household chores and I'm a right handed person which makes typing from the left hand very hard for me I want to take 24 hours V/LA to see if my hand is getting better durning this time. Sorry for the trouble again.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not gonna say

well played

mafia cause I'm salty!
But

gg

everyone!