Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

scumlords!

i am not a lord i am a lady thank you!

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

nacho, can you talk me through your thought process on wanting to policy n_m?

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

tbh I'm kind of thinking scum!nacho is getting his buddy NM out of the way so that he can direct a nightkill onto a townie of his choice rather than only being able to kill a miselim-able townie during the day.

- lilith

i kind of like this take actually

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

@salsa Yeah, it usually takes a couple games before I get a good handle on someone's play.

@eevelutions Who's leafeon and who's glaceon

glace didn't want me to say but i already made it really obvious on accident

leaf is mist and glace is beeboy

pleasure to make your acquaintance

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Hi!

VOTE: leafeon

You don't feel like the town!mist I know so far

i haven't gotten focused on this game yet since i've been busy most of the day

generally that's the reason for a discrepancy

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Ok, I'll keep the vote for now

okay

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

a more reasonable "who are you scumreading atm"

i mean the intent was basically the same so yeah

also i dont know what vapid means

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

it was for drawing associations because they mentioned thinking you/nm could be partners

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute)

also he made one post at this point

how

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute)

also he made one post at this point

how

~leaf

every time i say that it's because i get a townread elsewhere
it's gonna be a meme

oh

that makes sense idk why i didnt think of that

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

it was for drawing associations because they mentioned thinking you/nm could be partners

~leaf

Read this post a couple of times and am still not sure what you're saying here. Can you elaborate?

uhhh

idk exactly how to put it so not really?

it was in response to 101 if that helps

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

Isn't beeboy the one who just doesn't post as scum?

so i've been told yes

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

VOTE: sircakez

i didn't like the catchup

i don't think his reasoning is very thorough and seems to be fairly tailored towards not sticking out in thread state, plus some of his reactions (specifically @ DC) felt kinda overblown

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

VOTE: sircakez

i didn't like the catchup

i don't think his reasoning is very thorough and seems to be fairly tailored towards not sticking out in thread state, plus some of his reactions (specifically @ DC) felt kinda overblown

~leaf

what does this even mean

i thought it was fairly easy to understand.

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

VOTE: sircakez

i didn't like the catchup

i don't think his reasoning is very thorough and seems to be fairly tailored towards not sticking out in thread state, plus some of his reactions (specifically @ DC) felt kinda overblown

~leaf

what does this even mean

i thought it was fairly easy to understand.

~leaf

how are my stances "tailored" towards not sticking out?
how were my reactions to DC overblown?

all of the reads you mentioned were slots that weren't likely to have a lot of discussion around them - you made reads on every slot except the two top wagons and the 0 poster

and the "YIKES" thing stuck out to me as overly performative

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Hello I just woke up I am going to go read the thread no.
I was playing a survivor/mafia variant yesterday and the deadline was really late for some reason .

I am going to read part of the thread shower then read the other part.

- Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.

Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

if a head forgets to sign assume its me (bee/glaceon) because I am usually really bad at that.

re:Not Mafia talk from early pages. The only benefit to him as an early compromise option is as we get the flip for info and if he is scum he is almost always the first boot in terms of someone the scum team would want to get rid of. But if we simply vote out the scum players they can't free him from the prison known as a mafia game.

And to a super small degree, he is ever so slightly more likely to be town (6-5) so if he is town it would be kinda funny to see if he just gets cleared because scum never removes him from the game. So I guess it boils down to if we have more scum or town reads at the moment in time we want to end the day but letting him live is objectively the funnier approach.

- Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Feel better salsa

^^^^
This, I hope you're doing alright.

- Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I think it can be optimal if we have literally no direction.
Since his flip gives some level of clear info, but I agree wanting it this early feels weird to me.

Not to mention the "no escape" route is super funny from a scum panicking in there PT POV if he's town.

- Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hello

i like vft more for skitter's posting on page 13

i don't like nm hopping in, going "oh yeah there's no way i get eliminated d1", then dipping out

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

choosing to read thread at 5 am is probably not ideal for my read quality but such is life

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out

i mean basically

i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing

so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

seems like someone who felt like they had to post "content" and threw something out

i mean basically

i signed up to hydra and my partner's barely been playing

so im kinda just coasting b/c im not motivated

~leaf

what was the purpose of the post then?

to throw something out?

the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I doubt that, I think multiple of us here have all played together before?

You doubt that no one here knows beeboy, or that mistyx would think that no one here knows beeboy

..the latter? haven’t like half the PL played with beeboy? I’m p sure that regardless of alignment they’d prob have talked about their experience with the rest of the list

-Mena

(he has not)

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

the reads weren't forced as in i forced myself to make reads where i didnt have any it was more that i had to force myself to read thread and get them out

Weird question, is there a difference for you emotionally? Can you explain it at all? For me these two things feel pretty similar

the former is "i read thread, i don't have any reads from it, but im going to post stuff anyway" and the latter is "i didn't read thread but i still feel like i need to post anyway or else im just a useless slanker"

technically it was both but i forced myself to reread the parts of thread since my last post again

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

i think cakez and nm are the two scummiest slots in the game rn

i like vft/nacho/kismet to varying degrees

i have also kind of disliked infinity's push on us - there was this one part where she repeated some of the stuff i mentioned being the reasoning for me being low motivation that just felt odd

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

the former is "i read thread, i don't have any reads from it, but im going to post stuff anyway" and the latter is "i didn't read thread but i still feel like i need to post anyway or else im just a useless slanker"

Do you do more of one and less of the other depending on your alignment?

i don't really do the former as town, only ever as scum if i'm struggling with tmi

i do the latter about the same as both alignments

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

i have also spent a majority of the past 24 hours trying to come up with a flaking/snowflake pun to make fun of beeboy with

this isn't relevant to anything i just wanted to share

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

i don't really do the former as town, only ever as scum if i'm struggling with tmi

I remember you doing it in pokemon battles though? You were like "ok I caught up but I don't have thoughts bye"

well i said i don't do it as town because i just say i didn't have reads

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I feel not super motivated for this game and I'm not sure my reads are right and idk what to do about it

it was this @inf

upon isoing the post i made was less like this than i remember and the read was probably dumb in the first place tbh but

yeah

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

What’s your read on us leafy?

-Mena

going to be fully honest

i was not keeping track of your posts because you did not have an avatar

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

dc do you want me to iso you rn or were you more interested in what i'd gotten from reading the thread

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I think due to the nature of this setup read lists are bad for town.
Mainly because scum want to eliminate themselves and you'd basically be directing them who to get rid of.


Mind games ect ect.
Town motivation ect ect.
Are both valid arguments against this though as I've had this discussion a few times, I haven't spoke to Mist about this at all.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

420 and 422

I know these posts basically just agree with what Nacho said.
But I still town read it anyway, it feels like almost annoyed in a way?
Like "my read here is above average, I know its not perfect but that's good enough for me", like the way it's written just feels super town to me. As scum I feel like it would read more like someone who is simply just arguing semantics rather then what I am seeing here.

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

(me expanding on my last post)

This more comes down to my general mafia theory that people who are annoyed are > rand town while people who get mad are > rand scum. This is generally not always true so I never really explain this to people since there is 101 examples of mad town but honestly I find annoyed town is something that is relatively hard to find, and even then it sits on the line of someone who is mad. Which could come down to how I think people tend to react while trying to brainstorm vs trying to fool people. Idk, nor do I care about other peoples opinions on this because wording how I feel about the nuance of peoples emotions is incredibly hard.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

errr annoyed scum is hard to find*
Sorry.

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey DC can you answer my question

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

y'all are goons. I do far less then this as scum.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

y'all are goons. I do far less then this as scum.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

y'all are goons. I do far less then this as scum.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I have the fact I can't delete those.


~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

the head that actually posts is here

growing more confident on cakez, i hate how he's basically trying to just push past our scumread instead of like, talking against it

makes me think he just wants to get the miselim on our slot then leave the game tonight

p-edit: apparently we are both here

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

growing more confident on cakez, i hate how he's basically trying to just push past our scumread instead of like, talking against it

i don't think i explained this well but like

his initial callout on our slot was ~fine, his follow-up was ~fine, but then he didn't acknowledge my explanation then voted us later on

and the way he's just calling our push on him bs instead of actually acknowledging it feels wolfy to me

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

This is interesting, it might speak to a difference between being annoyed but feeling justified in that and being annoyed (mad) but knowing you're wrong and you have to keep arguing because you're scum. I wonder if that's why I try to stick to things I believe even as scum, channeling that "mad" energy is hard for me

It's neat, people underestimate the nuances of how people like to post as each alignment.
Although who knows how good of a working method anything is when my only town reads are you and Kismet.

Can you show me one instance of scum recently pushing a policy lynch? I haven't seen it in a while but I also haven't been active in a while so maybe my experience is a bit skewed.

I haven't played recently but this is almost always a meta thing and not an alignment thing. Unless someone specifically has a meta of being afraid or pro policy lynches as one alignment.
I don't find it's something people take advantage of so all my attempts at fact checking this end up being. "oh this person does this as both alignments."



Other notes:
I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Infinity feels really town to me.
Unless they are very good at faking being confused and struggling to articulate reads :V

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

- lilith

hey wow I was just reading that part and thinking exactly the same thing

what do you two think about kismet's part in the interaction then?

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Good talk

~Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hello im here im not at all in the headspace to play and have not been but my partner wont do stuff on his own so im here i guess

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hi, i guess

i have not been in the mental state to play this game for a good three days now and my hydra partner has not been doing anything except for the bare minimum when i poke him

i kinda skimmed thread but i am not at all motivated to play

ama though

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

why are you not scum?

- ydra

my role pm is green?

idk what you want me to say

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

i think infinity is town

i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum

~leaf