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[samantha97]

VOTE: deep-city-lights

already mafiaclaimed page 1 by voting the host

[samantha97]

hiiii dkkoba

I didn't realize you were in this game

[samantha97]

you had me until that question mark

VOTE: kittytacky

[samantha97]

why are you asking if it's better

you should know if it's better

a leader isn't a leader without confidence

[samantha97]

I'm gonna need you to tell people of the wonders of voting T3 while treating it as absolute fact that he is mafia

don't forget the great things

[samantha97]

you had me until that question mark

VOTE: kittytacky

What? I used it because it didn't quite seem apt to describe it as fully "aggressive". It was certainly pushy which is the word which I should have used now that I think about it.

[samantha97]

Nice shade-throwing.

I wasn't talking about you

[samantha97]

Expect minimal participation from me.

minimal participation from me

minimal participa from

minimal arta f

miima aa f

i am mafia

[samantha97]

your post animorphed into a confession

[samantha97]

linux is for posers and masochists

[samantha97]

the first rule of townbloc is to not ask to be in townbloc

[samantha97]

there's something very unusual about the flow of this day

or at least I feel a weird detachment to it

[samantha97]

why would you claim not just a power role, not just a doctor, but a doctor variant that is particularly bad to claim @ 6/11 votes?

[samantha97]

why would you claim not just a power role, not just a doctor, but a doctor variant that is particularly bad to claim @ 6/11 votes?

not only that but you were being read as mafia by a decent chunk of the game at this point, which is perfect for your role since it massively reduces the chance of you being the nk and lets you act freely

I mean you're basically expecting us to believe you vanillaized yourself d1 because you got mad which, while not impossible, is a lot to ask

[samantha97]

it's a doctor that kills whoever it protected if it gets nightkilled, and stops working when there's only non-town player left

[samantha97]

only one non-town player left*

[samantha97]

the problem is you are and have been treating the votes on you, which are not and have never been near majority, as if they put you an inch away from death

this post is no different from you claiming babysitter to me, cause there's no reason to have posted it in the current environment (votes are even swinging away from you)

my conclusion from your claim and behavior before it was that you were feeling the pressure of having a power role, but this is bordering on a persecution complex that mafia tend to get caught up in

[samantha97]

is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

this is mafia bookmark this post

[samantha97]

town

[samantha97]

mafia only get 1 wish, good people get 3

[samantha97]

The only alignment you benefit by rushing is scum.

unless you had it right and the wagon never reforms and you instead lynch town

[samantha97]

do u think kitty is scum, sam?

they're about the only person that has stuck out to me (in general, not as mafia) besides etine and dkkoba, and right now I want to do the opposite of whatever dkkoba wants to do

[samantha97]

spoiler: samantha hard defended scum who claimed 3p who i really wanted to kill as claimed not!town who ended up living 3 days too long while obvscum.

they were actually a protown 3rd party role disabler vigilante that only worked on mafia, and I nailed the heck out of that setup speculation but ok lol

[samantha97]

E-1 - elimination of the first day?

it's when people rping as the terminator say l-1

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:

I ain't readin' but I see cop claim

[samantha97]

do I still have to claim if I'm a doctor cop miller

[samantha97]

how would bulletproof targeted by nked babysitter interact? it'd protect them right?

[samantha97]

VOTE: t3

not comfortable leaving a d1 bulletproof claim alive, and not because of traitor

[samantha97]

rathe is my shepherd

[samantha97]

why were you voting enchant over kitty then

[samantha97]

ok but your point of view should be kitty confirmed mafia with enchant tacked on the side

I don't understand voting the attachment

[samantha97]

gonna be afk so UNVOTE:

[samantha97]

NVM, T3's recent posts seem kinda legit.

VOTE: Cabd

pls explain why you aren't voting for confirmed (from your pov) mafia, and instead think his posts are "legit"

[samantha97]

cause he counterclaimed you

[samantha97]

cops are the most op role even in 21p with a miller

if neither of you claimed it tilts the game +5 to town in 2 days

even a 1 shot cop is stronger than a lot of grand idea roles, not that it's impossible for games to be balanced poorly

I'd like to see a non-theme game in the past couple of years that had more than one town cop though

[samantha97]

Are u still with that idea?

yes

I think ndmath and anastasia are town atm

I intend to sheep rathe wherever he ends up

[samantha97]

VOTE: cabd

[samantha97]

ew you're talking to mafia

[samantha97]

pls don't try to keep me alive

[samantha97]

I'm gonna echo the sentiment not just for your dkkoba reasoning but for mine too

the main reason I think ndmath and anastasia are town is because of their critical view of me

there's 0 reason to think I'm town this game lol

even the posts I made that weren't mechanical were borderline mechanical, and the few that were neither were basically nothing

idc though appeal to rathe and I'll change my vote; I haven't even read any of your past posts

[samantha97]

your dkkoba reasoning was the primary disagreement to be clear

[samantha97]

vasex knows he's at 9

[samantha97]

T3 targets samantha97[/b]

no, do not waste anything on me

[samantha97]

Who do you offer instead?

idk andresvmb?

[samantha97]

2 cops isn't IMPOSSIBLE but im not sure haha

reminder that this is mafia

[samantha97]

who cares about the cops I'm talking about the haha at the end

[samantha97]

sorry I don't believe any fakehammer results

especially from cabd

[samantha97]

no I don't have an actual opinion on him

other than you can't fakehammer someone like him and expect to learn anything

[samantha97]

if anything acting like he was hammered is more mafia indicative I guess? someone should look at the time it took him to respond to it to determine how tapped in to the game he is

I'mt oo lazy

[samantha97]

what is a blocker

[samantha97]

wow I really didn't connect the dots to roleblocker somehow

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

we know 1 is fake

doesn't really matter which yet just let mafia either gamble on that or give us the answer themselves through nk

[samantha97]

I've been wondering that myself

[samantha97]

is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

VOTE: vasex

dkkoba:

[samantha97]

samantha doesn't mind bussing.

it's a really bad idea to lynch mafia ever, as this is more of a numbers game than anything else (if we make it to day 2 with all mafia alive & a successful nightkill, we basically win)

bussing is always bad, whether day 1 day 7 day 24

just don't self destruct and it'll be fine

I'm really curious how you reached that conclusion though please show your work MafiaXP

[samantha97]

my only experience with dgb was them afking then hyperposting near day end and outing themselves as a serial killer in a grand idea game

[samantha97]

Link pls

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84823

[samantha97]

I wasn't a serial killer, I was an

assassin targeting a scum faction

. I didn't "out myself as SK" - I outed myself as a neutral player trying to kill aliens.

There's no need to make me look worse than I actually am.

it ain't that deep, that was how I remembered it

also I'm not gonna reread it to find out what is right or not cause grand idea is useless for meta

[samantha97]

the coincidence of both cops claiming a modifier that weakens them severely makes me kinda believe them both in the context of the setup

2 gated/1-shot cops > 1 ungated/high-shot cop, as you get more checks per night and have a much lower chance of either of them being stopped

it's more likely for there to be no cops at all than for there to be both of them

[samantha97]

it feels like half the game has claimed at this point

[samantha97]

VOTE: t3

[samantha97]

pop quiz dkkoba what is wrong with that votecount

[samantha97]

notice how theres actually friction here - people who were parked on the t3 wagon prior to this discussion id like an explanation why youre still there.

I'd like an explanation for why you think it makes sense for t3 to be voting andresvmb

not from t3, from you

[samantha97]

Spent over a half hour catching up. Also some time looking at the n1-n2 cop thing.

is reading this thread part of your mafia penitence

I have skipped at least 30 pages by now lol

also enchant? said that t3 played a game with a n3/n4 role before this

[samantha97]

if I remember right I think I read that there is a cap or something

maybe that wasn't a site rule and instead a game rule though

[samantha97]

I still don't think his reaction was legit just because he's someone who tryhards to the point of creating irl meta encyclopedias or something

that doesn't mean he's mafia 100% but I don't think he was honest either way

[samantha97]

it was a reply to you and you voted him right after + dug through his iso after that

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

I dont hammer resolvable investigative claims but heres me not pushing for unvotes bc i think the evidence now is pretty compelling.

(I.e. i dont want this wagon necessarily on principle and wont ve tbe final vote)

reminder that this is mafia

[samantha97]

I have a very specific reason for not hammering that is deeper than that. But keel trying to shade me and see where it gets you.

well if you had a n# role you'd have never pushed them to begin with, so your deep reason is probably just setting yourself up for the future in some way

[samantha97]

iso skimmed people over the night

can you explain why I'm null so I don't just assume you're lazy mafia

[samantha97]

I think the answer to the game is within pages 107->116

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2650

I suggest everyone reread just that time period

[samantha97]

when I saw mafia cop I thought that confirmed a serial killer

[samantha97]

i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

I am going to trust your judgment

[samantha97]

VOTE: dunnstral

[samantha97]

but y what do u think

I think you're a paragon of purity that can perceive the game differently than I can and I don't want to taint your point of view with mine in general

but odds are there's at least 1 mafia on any day-ending wagon, and if I was told to guess which I'd probably pick kerset or marky mark without really looking at them closely yet

[samantha97]

almost50s alignment is confirmed in my mind

[samantha97]

looking at anya ISO, Nero, Anastasia, and Samantha look more incriminated by that kill.

Spoiler:

drippinggoofball and almost50 are confirmed town click below spoiler for why thanks

Spoiler:

With T3 flipping mafia doc, and his cop claim turning out false, I now believe Kitty is town.

T3 has been eliminated Day 1. He was a

Mafia Cop

.

confirmed town: me/rathe/a50/dgb/enchant
likely town: vasex/kitty

I remember some areas where more town were revealed but I have been lazy/just woke up and need to reread it later

[samantha97]

what

exactly

[samantha97]

if drippinggoofball didn't know t3's role then dripping couldn't be mafia, and mafia wouldn't exactly want to point that out

there's no mafia mindset behind almost50s post

[samantha97]

basically either dgb/a50/kitty are all mafia or a50/dgb are town, and which is more likely?

[samantha97]

you don't want to amplify a post that clears anyone if you're mafia

you'd have to put absolutely no thought into it at all, which itself is unlike a mafia mindset since you're usually hyperaware of things

[samantha97]

yeah, but this is like the only good thing about him

no, t3 also was against him and he hammered t3

individually you can write off actions as performative but together it's hard to

[samantha97]

I think dkkoba was saying that t3+dkkoba+cabd can't all be mafia instead of just t3+cabd

[samantha97]

what bothers me about dkkoba this game is thinking it's plausible for there to be 2 town cops even after playing like 500+ games of mafia or something

[samantha97]

doesn't really matter if they're open or closed, the end result should be realizing 2 town cops isn't possible

unless you played a bunch of games with 2 town cops somehow?

[samantha97]

oh and one thing you never answered yesterday

dkkoba

was why were you ok with t3 voting andres?

t3 excused voting enchant instead of who he was counterclaiming by saying enchant was exposed as partnered with kitty

ok but your point of view should be kitty confirmed mafia with enchant tacked on the side

I don't understand voting the attachment

People seemed to doubt the slip, so if Enchant flips scum Kitty will be conirmed scum to everyone else.

there was no rationale for a cop counterclaiming another cop to vote someone outside the 2 of them (well voting outside kitty didn't make sense to begin with but going outside it even further was just unbelievable)

notice how theres actually friction here - people who were parked on the t3 wagon prior to this discussion id like an explanation why youre still there.

I'd like an explanation for why you think it makes sense for t3 to be voting andresvmb

not from t3, from you

completely ignored the question when I asked you it, and when I asked you the same question more vaguely before it you avoided answering:

pop quiz dkkoba what is wrong with that votecount

why do you townread kitty over T3 samantha?

what's worse is not long after that you said

I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop.

uh this is pretty damn specific my guy ... lol

probable townslip from u tho LOL

[samantha97]

I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop.

uh this is pretty damn specific my guy ... lol

probable townslip from u tho LOL

and I just realized that my exchange with t3 about his abnormal vote happened literally right below where he quoted here, so it's impossible that he didn't see it

[samantha97]

dgp didn't correct/comment on it

[samantha97]

I do agree with dkkoba that andres probably isn't mafia

if you think he is then at least explain t3 moving his vote to him first

[samantha97]

directed at everyone except kerset. Ur doing great and glad they didnt n1 u

attaching yourself to kerset won't make us lynch him later

[samantha97]

this game is hell

we have a perfect record so far

why sad

[samantha97]

his english is pretty good

[samantha97]

I think samantha97 looks the worst to me because I also caught her on another hot wagon! It's okay to sheep but I feel her votes are really lifeless, and the fact she was on one but two leading wagons makes me think she's not really thinking about her vote and placing it uselessly.

Scummy!

VOTE: samantha97

[samantha97]

I would be fine voting cabd purely for the extremely high chance of him faking the hammer reaction, if rathe wants to

[samantha97]

Why are you tying your vote to Rathe?

I want to win

[samantha97]

Um I don't like talking to XP they get all angry like the sounds of a dial-up internet..

change their wallpaper to bliss

[samantha97]

Sammy why did you keep switching your votes and where do you want it now?

you actually made me iso myself

no clue what you mean lol

[samantha97]

I think that samantha is a genius

[samantha97]

Their play has generally been towny in terms of tone and their logic checking out, except for their late post d1 ref not voting T3 out of principle

wat

their end of day posts weren't even that bad, it was how squirrely they were before that

can you point to logic that resonated with you? cause in addition to my small text wall about them... (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743961, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743995)

I didn't even mention when they supposedly didn't read enchant's post about T3 & n3/n4 cop here, despite voting for enchant directly after he said that...
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12738942

[samantha97]

Not willing to touch any of those piles at least for a few days after a re-read of the game events.

thank goodness you left yourself out and can still vote there

[samantha97]

oh what I had no idea there were so many votes on both

switch to the pure dunnstral wagon

[samantha97]

now we have 4 confirmed town and 1 transitively confirmed town on this wagon

[samantha97]

I don't know but it looks right with the wagon compositions

[samantha97]

i dont know if samantha thinks he mafia or not maybe i missed it

I don't even remember any dunnstral posts this game

but the conclusion I came to in the nancy vs titus game was that, while town and mafia games seem kind of similar on the surface, his town games have passion behind his posts

[samantha97]

I'm not actually making an argument just giving counsel

[samantha97]

when*

[samantha97]

we could just lynch cabd to get a clearer view of day 1

[samantha97]

Samantha

elaborate

[samantha97]

you think I'm mafia supposedly and yet have never actually asked me anything

+ it took you 6 minutes to write that one liner

rathe is the only thing stopping me from class changing to dragon hunter right now

[samantha97]

i haven't asked a lot of people things but if you want show me a post where you feel you did some good scumhunting

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12722926
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12722930
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12724148
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12727997
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12727999
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12728857
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12728863
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12728868
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12737204
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12737308
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12737707
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12738943
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743563
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743869
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743961
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743995
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12746136
townhunting
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743274
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743286
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743290
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743296
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743443

now maybe your standards are just too high for my posts, but you sure don't hold yourself to that standard if that's the case

seems more like you tried to pull a rabbit out of an empty hat with a fake read on me

[samantha97]

isn't that pretty similar to this andres? https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12737267 (scroll down a little after)

[samantha97]

enchant attacks t3 -> vote gets put on enchant immediately after

[samantha97]

I don't think I wanna vote Dunnstral either..

why

[samantha97]

there are too many inconsistencies with what you did for me to believe you're town this game dkkoba

I've joked about you being wrong all the time and stuff but being wrong is a lot different than what you did this game

so yeah if you are town then mafia should totally bring both of us to lylo for an easy win

[samantha97]

iso me

[samantha97]

can like half of you just die please so we can process of elimination this

[samantha97]

what made me think kerset was likely town wasn't t3 related it was just their paranoia that rivaled my own

[samantha97]

meanwhile where is dunnstral while everyone goes at each other

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

for the record save the dragons is l-1 right now

[samantha97]

rathe you are beautiful

[samantha97]

there should be 3 mafia left right

[samantha97]

Thanks to this traitor paranoia, this exchange makes me uncomfortable.

i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

I am going to trust your judgment

I am going to trust your judgment

but y what do u think

but y what do u think

I think you're a paragon of purity that can perceive the game differently than I can and I don't want to taint your point of view with mine in general

but odds are there's at least 1 mafia on any day-ending wagon, and if I was told to guess which I'd probably pick kerset or marky mark without really looking at them closely yet

This came out of nowhere and feels like crypto message.
Esspecially that sama earlier sheeped rathe on cabd for also mystery reason.

this post made me think they were town, because only town can be on my level of paranoia

[samantha97]

Sure Rathe whatever you say.

rathe is 2-0 atm

[samantha97]

WindowsXP

but yeah those 4 names are solid

I maintain cabd was likely pretending to think he was lynched

[samantha97]

VOTE: windowsxp

[samantha97]

i was trying rly hard to keep xp in my townreads but it just was not making sense i dont think town acts this way

I’ll be honest with you, I don’t think XP is Scum. I think they tend to feel a bit different when they’re Scum. I’ve played with them multiple times and I don’t think it’s going to hit but I failed at an Endgame just recently and I played another game a bit poorly and my confidence just isn’t there so that’s mostly what it is.

reading that game is what initially made me think dkkoba was mafia here

it was their interaction with you actually:

can i just say andres has this way with words that makes me just like - shit this dude is smarter than me in this game and idk how i even win games kinda vibe.

VOTE: lemon

fucking sold me just like the cook sell in the mason game we had (rip power trip masons tho lmfao)

is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

this is mafia bookmark this post

[samantha97]

don't hammer without letting them post pls

[samantha97]

Reads:
Hard town: Marky Mark,

Rathe

Town: Nero Cain
Lean town: NDMath, WindowsXP, bloodhail,

Anya

,

Almost50

Null: Vasex,

Kerset

,

samantha

,

STD

,

DGB

,

Dunnstral

, Anastasia, Andres
Lean scum:

Enchant

, Cabd
Scum:

KittyTacky

,

Etine

Most of my null reads are basically people who haven't donr anything.

I don't think T3's scumplay was massively nuanced and I'm willing to bet that he would have tried to sneak one of his buddies into his townreads.

I edited it with what I think are safe assumptions

also, I don't think t3 or any mafia would leave a teammate bare in their list like nero cain is; they'd try to obfuscate a bit by listing more than just 1 name

[samantha97]

I mean that a very arbitrary assumption to make ref bare entries in the list

you just have to put yourself in their shoes

the goal of making a list like that is to look town/justify pushes while not outing your team at the same time

it's not like it's impossible for nero to be mafia but it's enough for me to bet against for now

[samantha97]

it's not like it's impossible for nero to be mafia but it's enough for me to bet against for now

[samantha97]

sry I don't speak blasphemer

[samantha97]

rathe is our divine divining rod

[samantha97]

dkkoba why are the people voting for dunnstral yesterday off the table to you just out of curiosity

[samantha97]

yes but I'd like to hear your reasons instead

(for real though)

[samantha97]

I actually never gave an opinion on nero until today

you also didn't answer me

[samantha97]

well the reason I wanted to know is because, from my point of view, voting dunnstral isn't indicative of anything since mafia didn't know he was mafia

unless I'm missing something

[samantha97]

mafia don't know who traitors are?

[samantha97]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
UNVOTE:
I need more time to hold down the h key

[samantha97]

hey dkkoba can you produce a read list from t3 as mafia outside this game, maybe on epicmafia or whatever it was that you played with him on (with who else was mafia for context)?

also what is the point of traitor if you both are informed of who your team is and are placed with them in a pt...?

[samantha97]

aw I just wanted to compare it to the read list he gave here to see if he'd be so bold as to put nero by himself if nero was mafia

[samantha97]

dkkoba needs to claim

also dear god anastasia's iso is bad

[samantha97]

anyone wanna compile a list of people who have implied they aren't a neighbor/neighborizer at this point

[samantha97]

also consider my vote fully on windowsxp in the absence of a claim

they should know that their slot needs accountability going forward if we are to decide to keep them alive

[samantha97]

yes

[samantha97]

at this point I fully support a mass claim actually

[samantha97]

I feel like we've socially narrowed it down enough to where the setup will cinch it

[samantha97]

I am vanilla

[samantha97]

should dkkoba claim before anyone else does though?

[samantha97]

can someone unvote so mafia doesn't hammer to get out of claims pls

[samantha97]

I don't need to claim either. I am conf!Town by virtue of my play

the point is to get a big picture, not to ask only people we suspect are mafia to claim

[samantha97]

+1 for list psychology

so are the people who haven't claimed waiting for dkkoba or what

[samantha97]

do I claim now?

yes

[samantha97]

almost50 you know I think you're town but I've seen a town win turn to a loss by a half-claim instead of a massclaim

also rathe is way more town than everyone and claimed already

[samantha97]

so you still are a miller right

[samantha97]

i know this is weird but im locktowning blood based on this post bc its a sentiment i share from my perspective. (well not purely based on this post but this post locks it in)

pls claim

[samantha97]

idrc if you are town or not

you should know we can't keep you no matter what if you don't claim

[samantha97]

or bus driver

[samantha97]

nm I just checked and bus drivers are forbidden

[samantha97]

cabd claim too pls

[samantha97]

oh I forgot you claimed at that point

[samantha97]

it's against you wincon cause I'm voting you as soon as

NDMath ???
Enchant ???
bloodhail ???

these 3 claim

[samantha97]

day play is what led us to this point lol

[samantha97]

I already outlined why I think you're mafia

adding dunnstral's iso to the equation just makes you look worse, not better

it's easy to read him trying to signal he is traitor to you, whether he was or wasn't

[samantha97]

that's unironically a healthy mindset to have

keep it up by claiming so town doesn't kill town here

[samantha97]

we just need enchant to claim

[samantha97]

oh just in time

[samantha97]

can you claim for real pls

[samantha97]

Almost50 ???
DrippingGoofball ???

power role

anya universal backup
kerset 3-shot vigilante
etine lazy babysitter
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kittytacky - 1-shot cop
marky mark - miller
rathe - odd night gunsmith
nero cain - ??? neighbor (conftown or mafia doctor)
andresvmb - simple fruit vendor
bloodhail - even night vanilla cop

vanilla

save the dragons
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cabd
enchant
samanthatha97
anastasia
vasex
windowsxp
ndmath (through bloodhail)

mafia

t3 - mafia cop
dunnstral - mafia informed traitor neighbor

[samantha97]

What simple fruit vendor do? Giving fruits for vanilla?

yeah

[samantha97]

my setup thoughts are: there are too many vanilla for the fruit vendor/vanilla cop roles

also I don't think fruit vendor and vanilla cop roles coexist

anyone else wanna weigh in

[samantha97]

ndmath can you give a game t3 was mafia in pls

[samantha97]

ndmath can you give a game t3 was mafia in pls

[samantha97]

I have doubts but doubt is the enemy of success, and there are too many weird inconsistencies and overlooked posts

still want a mafia game of t3's from ndmath to compare his read list with, mainly to see if he'd put markymark in hard town if he was a teammate

if I'm not here tomorrow for some reason then someone else do that pls VOTE: windowsxp

[samantha97]

Rathe has been killed Night 3. He was a

Town Odd-Night Gunsmith

.

[samantha97]

no one should say they didn't get fruit either

[samantha97]

he checked nero and got a 'no gun' result

my list of execution is in Cabd bloodhail WindowsXP n Anastasia everyone else is town for me

we should sheep his reads; the windowsxp thing was just because of my corrupting influence

VOTE: cabd

[samantha97]

dgb rathe cleared him of everything but mafia doctor

[samantha97]

my experience with cabd town was as a replace-in (me) to a micro that he fakeclaimed eod1 in as a cop which made me think he was mafia

I don't think he was inactive until near the end of... day 2, but this is all off memory

actually I just looked it up and he had a lot of posts for a 9 player, not that his irl obligations couldn't be different for this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85676

mainly I just think it's not possible he didn't know he was lynched day 1 and I'm sure there's at least 1 fake vanilla, plus rathe read to compensate for dkkoba misread lol

but also like I said yesterday, I don't see andres + bloodhail coexisting as town with their roles, but maybe someone else can explain why they would

[samantha97]

VOTE: Cabd

me searching this post for a reason why markymark is colored green

[samantha97]

While I've been TRed a decent amount this game, I'm not conftown from anyone else's POV rn - TMI slip from NDMath?

I mean he didn't color himself green lol

[samantha97]

I'm open to voting anastasia

however, I don't like cabd not having a problem with both double cop and double vanilla checking roles

[samantha97]

VOTE: anastasia

[samantha97]

VOTE: cabd

[samantha97]

oh yeah almost50 do you wanna claim today or

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:

so andres claimed he sent fruit to a vanilla and every vanilla claim has posted so far without claiming the fruit

[samantha97]

4. Someone with block ability

4 is strange, because why Kitty not blocked 1n then

yeah I think this means andres or kitty is mafia

the only way it would not be is if it's a "night 2 night 3" kind of roleblocker, which I guess could explain t3's claim a little more, but it's definitely not an odd-night roleblocker because of kitty

[samantha97]

VOTE: andresvmb

I wanna resolve this role triangle today

also, of the list of vanillas, I can't imagine why you'd pick me first if you're sincere

[samantha97]

Why am I the acceptable choice to you? Just curious.

rathe was gated
bloodhail claims gated (I am super paranoid of second-claim odd/even-nights in general though) + claimed ndmath vanilla with it before ndmath claimed
you claim ungated with basically the same role as bloodhail + claim roleblocked + claim a target that doesn't makes sense from my point of view
and it's not like it's impossible for kitty to be mafia but there's more reasons why they wouldn't be than you

and I know you said you wanted to be confirmed through rathe, but targeting them instead of cabd or someone actually contentious like dkkoba night 1 doesn't have a mafia-hunting mindset to me

[samantha97]

VOTE: cabd

[samantha97]

I hope we are not punished for forsaking rathe's reads again

[samantha97]

no one do anything until andres and almost50 post minimally

[samantha97]

if they already posted and didn't claim it you can say who it was now

[samantha97]

cabd was the counterwagon yesterday it doesn't matter if he's town, we have to kill him

[samantha97]

ok VOTE: bloodhail

[samantha97]

frankly I don't care which of you dies as long as it's 1 of you

we don't have time to sit and wait more days to resolve one of you

so have a cagematch or something

[samantha97]

we don't have time to sit on andres/bloodhail so any other vote is just worse

[samantha97]

Sam, what do you think about Ana?

I think it's bloodhail/andres + cabd + ana/you

we have 11 alive 9 tomorrow 7 the next day (lylo)

we we need to get the first pair gone before our numbers can't support failure

[samantha97]

(the above lylo assumes we fail both days)