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VOTE: KittyTacky

Kitty, have you already been a scum? (I didn't watch your previous games)

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Nope. I remember you tho. From my first game. I played like a headless chicken. Kinda embarrassing.

So there is a good chance, that you are a scum now... Time has come. And you act rather suspiciously right now

Yeah, I see that you remember me, carrying my quote in your signature

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Am I mistaking about your scum role?

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Yes.

a townie's mistake?

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Definitely.

That's bad. Because u shouldn't know my side so early if you are a townie (only scummies know who is townies). Especially you, knowing that I'm an experienced player and I should be a possible scum/null for you rather long. How could you solve it so fast?

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Are u a ramicus alt?

Is this to me? I have only one acc on this site - this one. This is my second game here. I'm from russian mafia forums.

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Expect minimal participation from me.

till May? till June? why?

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VOTE: WindowsXP

i dont like you

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ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

Bad question.

VOTE: Nero Cain

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Etine, who is most probably scum with NC now in your opinion?

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Zzzzz. Let's hammer Kitty today.

VOTE: KittyTacky

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Zzzzz. Let's hammer Kitty today.

VOTE: KittyTacky

It sounds even less convincing that your RVS. Cmon we are on 15th page.

I have no strong reasons against him, but I have feeling that he plays here much like a bad actor. Maybe because of the lack of experience.
For example this post #22 : "Nope. I remember you tho. From my first game. I played like a headless chicken. Kinda embarrassing." Especially about remembering me, ugh...
I'm (softly) triggered on almost every of these sentances, and on his other posts too... "nervous" about large game, because this is a first big game for him, huh... Vasex is definitely tr for him from the very beginning, how?...

I tried to read the others, but this is my best bet for now.

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Looks like I have nothing new on the 16th page

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Yeah, Kitty's direction definitely looks promising. I think it is better to push it harder.

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Rathe, what if Kitty is mafia after first elimination? What will change in your view?

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So if Kitty is claimed dead mafia, you still would like to hang Vasex or T3 as his most real partners, right?

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Vasex, why do you think Kitty is scum?

I wrote about it in #382. And before that.
Though one of these reasons maybe is not valid, according to his post #242 (if it is true, smth about 50/50 I guess).
Kitty maybe is the only person here, with whom I've already played, so I know his townie game at least a bit.
Where is his vote btw? I dont see him searching mafia, though this is just a beginning. "Big game" for him, tried to start the game asap, and now what? Something is not ok with all of that.

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Some overreaction from you, Kitty. Btw I has hanged you one time (we were both townies), and even in that situation there were no problems for you to find me townie. What has changed?

Etine, what do you think about Rathe?

I think, that except Kitty at least one mafia is here: STD/Rathe/Andresvmb. The guys that have already threw smth at me (if i dont miss smb). I consider smb of them can do that because of my attack to Kitty.

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Who is scummy if im townie, Kitty?

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Kerset, why do you advise him to get townie points? Is Etine more townie or scummy for you now?

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You dont find Etine scummy, you help him openly, but "Nero would be a fine town leader, if he would have more then one read.". Nero is attacking Etine. So it is rather contradictory.

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Ok, Kitty, lets give some more votes to your scummy Etine and see what happens if it happens. We can do right now +3 or 4 votes here, according to other positions of players, if im not mistaking. Maybe more.

VOTE: Etine

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You need to vote somewhere, Kitty, dont be shy,dont afraid to get enemies (to make smb angry), your votes can force mafia to make some actions, and it is also useful for others to understand your opinion about players (it wasnt so obvious who is in your hmmm list till now).

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Kitty, lets vote your scummy Etine. Id like to see him dying.

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Kitty, Cabd, T3, STD, all of them are ready to hang Etine, he is among most scummies for them.
So lets do that. Dont hammer it, we'll just be watching who are going to hammer it too early (probably mafia).
Lets make 10 votes on Etine.

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I'm PR and going back to sleep.

So true

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5 years of playing, huh? The situation is not dangerous enough right now, to make such a risky move, if it is true. So you are telling a lie.

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Vasex, you're especially a huge jerk

Imagine scumreading someone for having fun. I'm PR and going back to sleep.

So Vasex is a huge townie jerk for u. Why not a huge mafia scum, like Nero?

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Nero has done verifiable things in my mind that aren't exclusive to just behavior.

Could you tell them or repeat them?

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Townie points to Nero and Marky. If Kitty and Etine are mafia.
Samantha is also 99% not with Kitty.
Rathe maybe is townie if Kitty mafia

Kitty's defenders:
- rathe (but kitty says "I am fairly sure Rathe is town also." (I have doubts they are partners after that), and others think rathe is townie, so...)
- deathnote
- andrew
- std

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Ndmath is townreading Kitty too

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Etine, what do you think about Rathe?

Etine, u missed my important question.

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And Nero is scum?
I saw you didnt like his question to Enite as much as I do.
But your huge sureness bothers me much too. And lurking.

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Nero, is it possible that Etine is PR or just a townie?

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Actually I wanted to see who is ready to vote Etine and to check Kitty's ability to vote Etine. And the others who has Etine in scummies, but not voting him.
But now the situation fell in pr mess. Some kind of disaster, and we just need to figure out for whom this is a disaster

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Please cop check Cabd and Nero Cain, one of them is scum maybe even both??

Idk about T3 anymore..

If Etine is a scum, this reminds me usual mafia actions when mafia is pretty sure that it will be dead soon, the role will become known, and this is the start of bluffing/distancing to make his patrners not suspicious, to shadow some townies like possible partners (t3?), etc.

Nevertheless, we always can hang Kitty.

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Cabd...

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Found the scum.
VOTE: Vasex

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I can imagine that Etine as townie might had bad morning and was just too nervous of my vote calculation, so decided to fight with much noise. Somewhere i was the line, the boiling point after "all these votes". But maybe I have too good imagination)

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*it was

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I hate PRs

VOTE: Etine

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I thought I was voting Etine

Since when?

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lol

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Please cop check Cabd and Nero Cain, one of them is scum maybe even both??

Idk about T3 anymore..

Im trying to see it as towny post. I started thinking from the thought who should be hanged today from the Etine-PR POV.
Vasex? Nah. Towny jerk.
T3. "Idk about T3 anymore..". So he oficially doesnt want to hang him now.
Nero? This is a main scum for Etine,but there is no votes here, even from Etine.
Cabd? Thats strange mentioning of Cabd... And Etine is the main scum for Cabd by the way.
Etine, why to check Cabd?
Lets hammer Cabd, what do you think?

In fact, this post of Etiny looks like crying "i will be eliminated, it is impossible to stop, so check this guys, nobody of whom should be eliminated instead of me". He doesnt even try to vote his scummies. He is burrying himself instead of them. Why?
Is it real for such a player for townie? Explain it to me.

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And he is ignoring my question still even after reminder. The point is that Rathe was scum for him firstly, then Rathe become Cabd in his list of scummies... with no any explanation even after direct questions. He doesnt care much about his scummies, does he?

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Thinking about that too. He was angry in that moment and talked that he is awkward before claiming, these smiles. Possible. And the night kill can decide his fate.

VOTE: Cabd

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i haven't said anything about kitty

considering me scum and kitty not scum is mostly the same

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why are you voting cabd, vasex?

I dont know, you tell me
maybe he is my partner too
any reason to vote him can be called weird

the thing is, if etine and/or cabd is dead townie(s), your current list of scummies will become a good reason for me to hang you

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scrutinize me cap'n

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I’ve been pretty pinged by T3, would blow it up. {Cabd, WindowsXP, NDMath} seem like Town to me so far.

If I'm not mistaking, Andre is the only one, who consider Cabd is townie. And he did it very early.
I think that NDMath considers Cabd townie too, though he didn't say it loud.

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STD, do you have any problems to vote your scum Cabd?

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Ok, boomer

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If I'm not mistaking, Andre is the only one, who consider Cabd is townie. And he did it very early.

And Cabd doesn't townread Andre. So Andre has more chances to be scummy than Cabd. And Andre was also among defenders of Kitty.
So to elim today Kitty or Andre seems a good plan.

VOTE: Andresvmb

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you haven't really explained why wagoning cabd is a good idea anyway so

difficult

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I fail to see how that makes Andres scum and not town defending slots.

What does make a player scum on the first day, m?

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Why Mark is a scum?

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Ok, zoomer

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Really? So you are mafia then

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Definitely not defending slots

I disagree. Defending slots oftenly is mafia thing in the first day:
- if both are mafia = defending the partner, rather risky in open-dead-role-game;
- if only the defender is mafia = Player knows the sides of the other players (mafia definitely knows who are townies and who are mafia), player can be pocketing someone, saying that this is a townie, defending him.
- and also they can be both townies or the defender is just mistaking, defending a scum...

but there is no sense to say, that strange unexplained defending cannot be mafia thing

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Andresvmb considers:
- Cabd is townie (nobody thinks like that except him)
- NDMath is townie (nobody thinks like that except him)
- Vasex is more mafia than townie in the first posts about Kitty!

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And Kitty is most possible mafia here right now for me.

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Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ???

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. this is also very BOLD defending of Kitty

So Artemiana, are you really a mafia scum with Kitty?

You really want to elim anybody of these three today, this is your plan:
1) Mark right now is voting Kitty, and this summons you in the thread
2) Etine, probable PR or just a townie, that has more votes, than Kitty (and you are hoping that your top-townie Nero will finish Etine; you are adding oil to that idea, ignoring his pr claim)
3) me, who attacks Kitty and has more votes, than Kitty

you are also have much thinking about prs, you also have bad argument about defending slots...

Well well well. So what?

Kitty, Artemiana, Andresvmb, ???, ???

And you are so sure about 5 bodies
Nice

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Marky and Nero are solid townies in that case

and for god sake Etine is also townie ??

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VOTE: KittyTacky

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Etine won't be eliminated today. It is obvious.
Kitty is the best option.

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artemania is my new townread.

I wanted to say smth likethat and was preparing the post about "Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ??? --- this doesnt look like a mafia plan"...but then i realised that it DOES look like a mafia plan and nothing else. Because for a townie this list of players is too random and rather stupid (etine and me together? She doesnt think much about that), but if to look at that as on defending the partner Kitty (who is top3 on the voting after etine and me, and with a vote of Mark in Kitty), tge puzzle is almost finished, every thing fits well. While reading people I always ask a question "why does they do that? What the porpose?". And in Artemiana's case the porpose is very clear.

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When Etine (top1 elim) claimed pr and Vasex (top2 elim) has been already very active, gaining townie points, every experienced player can predict that there are not so many chances that either Etin or Vasex will be eliminated today.
So if we are both townies with Etine, and Kitty is a scum, mafia should try something to prevent loosing votes on these two candidates to protect Kitty (top3).
Thats why Artemiana came, especially after Mark's vote to Kitty. With a strong attack to Mark, he is number one scummy for her!

Nero and maybe XP continue staying on Etine, but their funny reasons not to unvote claimed pr is much mire townie thing, than scummy.

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Artemiana said it loud: she doesnt believe Marky is miller.
And she abdolutely kept silent about other more strong pr claim from Etine.

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Saying that her scummies are mark,vasex,etine, she made herself full ready to vote Etine(top1) and Vasex (top2), and to shadow marky to make him loose his trust in eyes of other players. This is mafia plan and nothing else.

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She doesnt say nothing about Marky while he was on Enite.
But when he changed the vote to Kitty... BOOM.

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*purpose
*more
*absolutely

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I townread Vasex. Disagree with their general approach to the game but do think who he's pushing and respective confidence levels comes from town.

Why do you disagree with the opinion of your townie?
Do you have huge confidence about Kitty is a townie?
You don't, I do.
And I find mafia rather good usually. Especially the weakest ones.
So why do you disagree with me?


Kitty, Artemiana, Andresvmb, NDMath, ???
for now
maybe STD is the last one
case closed easy game

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that strange level of confidence, unexplained...

Andre defends Kitty
Artemiana says about Andre that definitely this is not scummy action (wtf?)
NDMath says that disagree with me, though Im townie for him, so he defends Kitty too (wtf?)

all of them has no explained reasons or any useful actions... but this level of unexplained confidence... why?

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vasex, what made u start thinking that etine was town?

Vasex, you're especially a huge jerk

Imagine scumreading someone for having fun. I'm PR and going back to sleep.

Actually yknow I'll hardclaim, because I'm just so awkward right?!

I'm a lazy babysitter <33

You're an asshole

Oh no I'm not mad. I think a lot of people see 5 YEARS and ALTERNATE ACCOUNT and can't be fucked to actually read me. All I've done is try to save you and me time

Hardly believe Etine is mafia.

Etine is town.

i think etine might just be town

Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ???

Etine's claim is weird. Definitely an overreaction but I... kinda see how a townie would overreact there.

I believe Vasex is town. Still don't trust Etine. Smells like an awkward claim tossed out to relieve pressure.

VOTE: Etine

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7 new pages. Damn. Catch up soon.

though i would like to hear enchant more, because he said etine is townie rather early and then became silent, maybe waiting in which direction the wind would change

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he said etine is townie before etine's pr claim. so what does enchant think today?

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We dont know is he careless, when the whole day there are only 3-4 votes on him. Should he bothered by that much?
Is he so careless, voting Etine, who has more votes?
In our previous game he has the list of scummies rather early. Is he seeking them now? I dont think so

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this is about enchant
too many misreading mistakes, kitty

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I wanted to let loose and be positive.

Play to your Win Condition.

This is team play game, where you should play to win it for your team.

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or maybe i translated "let loose" wrong, nevermind

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What do you think about Kitty, Etine?

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What about Artemiana's idea, that we are scum partners with you?

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Individually speaking, what seperates Kitty from a different lowballing slot you could pick out?

Well, maybe I know him better than the others.
Give your vote to Kitty, i promise great thing happens!!?

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Kitty even have much more worse reasons to vote you than for example reasons of Nero or T3. But he is voting you after pr claim. While the others have many doubts about that. Think about it.

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Etine's claim was terrible.

Does it make him scum definitely?

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I think the answer is no.

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he just wants to push me for some reason...

reminds me someone

he's not interested in reading my slot

he doesnt read me much too
i.e., he asked me reasons why i voted kitty, when i had already said them that day before that

Vasex, why do you think Kitty is scum?

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we need to push people harder with 8 votes, 9 votes, 10 votes...
kitty is a good candidate for that
the others also good, but you people are not enough flexible to try everybody with such shock voting therapia

i also bothered with complete silence of many players (though there are enough important events to react on), i have feeling that it sometimes happens when mafia is afraid to do anything that can ruin fragile good situation for them (for example, if both Etine and Kitty are townies), but i also know that during the weekend it is possible only zero activity from many of players, so i dont take it seriously

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and it is better for everyone to update their townie-scummy lists to see everybody's opinion about other players

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I think mark might be scum here - something feels off but idk if thats just me being from the town pov of not having them conftown to me but i have my eye on that slot as of now because they do feel different from when I was scum against them in the past.

any updates of that feeling?

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btw, the bombardment on Etine started after that XP message... maybe to move attention from Mark to someone else like Etine?

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artemania is my new townread.

oh, i see, is this because she thinks mark and etine can be scums?
at least i understand your logics... it is good, good. maybe you area townie but it doesnt definitely mean that artemiana is townie and mark is scummy

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She didn't say anything about Mark earlier because she didn't have access to her account; that's not something that gets lied about.

Ugh

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Like... is this a meme? What is this?

Correcting typos/mistakes in my posts above that

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It is too hard to collect the votes on Kitty, though nothing should prevent it, even in case if he is a townie. Smth not ok with that. Too hard.

Id like to push Cabd too for now, i have doubts that mafia would behaive so dangerous for itself on his place.

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, i have doubts

though i have doubts

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And there was smth i dont like in Marky recently.
Guys, any fresh thoughts about Mark?
Maybe XP is right about him?

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VOTE: Cabd

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Cabd, i remember you promised some kind of trash game with no voting from you, but enough of trash, give us smth useful.

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Rathe, i need to say that Kitty is more talkative when he is a townie, including the situation when he is being lynched. I just was reading his two ISOs from other games - his first game + the game he gave here the link on. Everybody can check it himself. Btw, I've already said that he gives list about other players rather early. But not in this game... And if Etine is townie, his votes in me and Etine are so so bad. Abd there are quite a lot of little mistakes

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And talking about daychat of mafia. I have feeling that he spends there much time. This should be his first mafia chat ever

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vasex u got prior mafia experience? i can like really feel it - like i legit would like nom u for rising star for just your play this far regardless of your alignment you're playing dominantly and very cool

I have many years of mafia experience on different forums.
However it doesnt prevent me from mistakes.
I also dont know people here, so many of you know each other much better than i am and i need to listen to your opinions.
And i also have some problems with language. Sometime i even too lazy to translate smth (i.e. some posts of cabd ).
And i am a newbie in your terminology, so i miss some things (i.e. E-5 and things like this). But sometime i check it in wiki, or already know from previous game or just guess it logically.

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And usually I play fast games. 1 in game day = 1 real calendar day. And the nights sometime last a half an hour or about that. Or maybe 1 real day too

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Why Anya is so low?

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VOTE: Kitty

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Can you make it in less words, please?

vote Kitty

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Now we should think is it possible that Kitty is PR.

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10 votes by the way
time to claim?

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anyone who quickhammers this is scumclaiming btw

Even if Kitty is a scum? I dont think so

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Kitty, do you have anything to say before your death?

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Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, NDMath, Artemiana, Cabd, deep-city-lights, WindowsXP, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain

who can hammer Kitty? Just asking who, not asking to hammer right now. Anybody wants?

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in my very personal opinion it is better to hammer Kitty today (in few hours, for example, to give him enough time to talk and to understand situation)
the waiting some more days can be useless because we have no strong reliable info (it is better to make the second day longer, than the first one)
and it also can be bad if we wait too long and decide to elim smb other , and he will be townie, and we've got almost the same situation (talking about info) but much more worse - without 1-2 or 3 townie guys

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whos the scumteam though if kitty flips scum tho vasex? you avoided my question

this is rather difficult question
they can make distancing, they can ignore
or maybe defending kitty. in that case i said some names who can be with kitty. for example artemiana and andre. if mark is townie...
well there are a lot of posibilities for both options: scummy kitty or not.

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i dont believe that extra time will help us to find all mafia team
but okay we can wait till every of non-active players will give a birth to their rainbow lists
but this is a first day. we cannot trust much to these lists, even to our own

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this is so large game for him. he asked people to gather before starting the game asap. and now what? he doesnt play (though under pressure). if he is not somehow pr here , the discussion now should be not about of his side, but about who is with him.
im not 100 percentage sure about kitty, but this is the best bet i have now. there are too many silent loorkers, any of them can be mafia. and even about others i have many doubts. but better start with kitty i think.

which tells me you werent even looking at the gamestate past just this 1 elim.

im not fully understand you here. are you talking about the statistics that 1 elim is usually a townie?

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in my experience the first one usually is a weak annoying townie.
it easily could be Etine for example, if he is townie)

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Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, NDMath, Artemiana, Cabd, deep-city-lights, WindowsXP, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain

Is anybody of you ready to vote Kitty?
Maybe not roght now but later this day?

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Lol, Cabd can do that...

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some nonsense to discuss first wagonning. there were three almost in one time, mostly rvs - kitty, cabd, then t3... then etine...

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this unvote is a mistake i think.
we cannot understand now - cabd dont want to hammer kitty or just didn't know about 10 votes on kitty?
the others of these 10 people are not going to vote kitty, according to their posts, if i dont miss smth

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deep-city-lights is a dark horse, because he still has rvs and rather unpredictable what he'll do next

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E-1 - elimination of the first day?

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oh, i get it

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Enchant, vote.

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As T3 says, you can need this so much only if you are a partner of Kitty. So just vote now. And we will be waiting for someone's next move.

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No, Kitty, only 1 vote left. Are you vanilla townie?

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I guess time to change my vote from Cabd to

VOTE: Kitty

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You don't trust other PR - Etine...
But you are voting Cabd now instead of Etine.
What's your explanation?

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if cabd was lynched today who would u investigate?

DkKoba I think. I have a neutral-but-not-null read on them. They feel... weird to me. Those are the people a cop should invest.

it seems you dont care about the role of cabd after lynching...
because it should have influence - he is townie or scummy - for the decision who should be checked next after this...

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townie cop would be care

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lets hammer him

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Aren't it makes more sense to go check Babysiter claim? Checked protective kinda op.

are you serious here?

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Yes?

that's bad

Hardly believe Etine is mafia.

Mafia have better plans than going badly accusing someone day 1, and then provocate everyone by screams.

This question probably for me. Just noticed so...

I still think Etina is townie because of his behavior and PR claim which i discussed in this post is more or less solid. You would't want to claim Babysitter as mafia. It's... Just bad. Unless of course, Etine is bad at game which i can't believe with 5 years of expireince. Of course Etine looking not ideal paragon, but looking decent for allowing live for now.

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So why do you need to check Etine, Enchant?

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this is still not a hammer

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Aren't it makes more sense to go check Babysiter claim? Checked protective kinda op.

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Best checks is persons who are not too town

who are too town for you?
did you tell smb is townie for you except only 1 Etine???

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you reccomend a cop (whoever he is) to check the only man that was called by you a townie
and you called him townie not once.

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this is not townie thinking.
because townies are interested in good check not less than cop does

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you have ONLY 1 TOWNIE, according to your posts.
and you ask a cop to check him, lol

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Of course he is not confirmed, but is it possible to ask a cop to check the only man, that was called by you a townie during the whole game?
You kinda afraid to name other your townies or what... You talk only about one possible townie Etine... and then you ask for checking him, like the best choice for a cop among 20 players... this is ridiculous thinking

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8 votes on Kitty now.

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i dont believe he is a cop
im ready to take the responsability
lets have a risk

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do you think PR doesn't explain the differences in kitty's play between what you've seen before and this game?

huh, i know that thing, that it is convinient for mafia to claim like pr in dangerous situations, especially when they almost have no choice.
i know that easy to believe that fake, because pr often acts like a mafia for townies, having a big important role and afraid to lose it.
but i dont believe kitty now.
i dont believe any of his words.
even the moment when he plays like he accidentally came to the thread and asking is it hammering or not... ugh, this is not real behaviour.
he was sitting here all the time, counting the votes, im so sure.
and thinking about claiming in mafia chat.

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I'm stil voting this because of the slip.

i can believe that you are right

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he even keeps silence now
the cop my ass

VOTE: Kitty

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So you went AFK and coincidentally came back exactly minute after being called out?

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vasex u still think andresvmb is mafia with kitty

strange question
nothing has changed for me
i was expecting smth like that from kitty, i was asking him about claiming. and i dont believe in his claiming, though i can predict how it ends because of that on the first day
why andre? why are you asking about him?

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Enchant now is number 2 for me.

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What did i win then.

The death.

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who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

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because absolutely everyone with mafia card can easily cheat you, claiming like a cop
i mean everyone in the world

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if you cannot find these significant differences in the easiest situations...

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because he said or did nothing new, and there is nothing new, that can prevent to be them together
it is strange that u ask about only andre, because every time i talked about all three kitty-andre-artemiana, but you are asking only about first two now, thats strange

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i read ur iso enchant n i think u r probably town

what scummies or townies enchant has?

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OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

yes i don't get it

but i read his post as not particularly serious

t3, u missed the question

i can try explain for u
enchant wanted to hammer kitty, promissing to anybody that the e-1 vote (before hammering) will be considered by him as a townie
t3 noticed that it is (with caps) like the strange confidence of enchant that kitty is definitely mafia, like knows it exactly
so if it is true, enchant looks like knowing this fact - he elims his partner
and townie shouldnt care about hammering or just wagoning a scum, but enchant could need hammering because this probably gives him many townie points
and if they are partners of course he knew that kitty is going to claim like a cop at that moment and was just waiting for that talking trash
and enchant the only one who unvoted after 10th vote immediately when smb asked to do that (then he became playing like he is doing that only because he wants to hammer not just vote, huh)

and 1 more thing: he said to a "cop" to check the only 1 townie etine that was in iso of enchant like a townie. enchant asked a cop to check the only townie enchant has...
this was fail #2

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huh slip u have to explain that to me

read my post 940

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Wouldn't the correct play be to not lynch kitty today and in case they are really a 1x cop use the investigation?

What if Cabd says he is a cop?
What if everybody of scummies say they are cops?
Who will be hanged?

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And then we elim somebody of townies.
Because most of townies are weak

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weak to be easy cheated by mafia in one of the commonest situations when the scum is going to be dead

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ok, look at this if kitty is mafia:
enchant unvoted when there were 10 votes! making 9 votes
enchant still wanted to elim kitty, but started to call someone to make 10th vote to give opportunity to enchant to hammer kitty with 11th vote
why did he unvote and still asking people to make 10th vote? he was trying to sit on two chairs with the same butt

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Is it or is it not the correct play to let a claimed 1x cop live for a night phase?

This is correct only in the situations when the situation is too difficult and there is a big chance to make a mistake.
But Kitty is a mafia scum.
For me it is obvious.

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he was trying to sit on two chairs with the same butt

to make distancing with kitty by saying that
and
to save his life by unvoting, giving time to claim

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the townies, voting for kitty, decided to kill him today as the most possible scum for them
so if smb is unvoting first it means that this man is probably saving his partner

IF ENCHANT UNVOTED TO SAVE A COP, HE WOULDNT ASKING SMB TO VOTE TO HAMMER THIS COP AT THE SAME TIME

Enchant made big mistakes today

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and after discussing all of these both enchant and kitty even dont consider t3 and me scummies, just defending themselves

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it is stupid to quote the jokes from the very beginning of the game to prove that a player jokes always.

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Ok, here is not a joke (i did ask is he serious and the answer is yes).

Aren't it makes more sense to go check Babysiter claim? Checked protective kinda op.

are you serious here?

Yes?

Yes?

that's bad

Hardly believe Etine is mafia.

Mafia have better plans than going badly accusing someone day 1, and then provocate everyone by screams.

This question probably for me. Just noticed so...

I still think Etina is townie because of his behavior and PR claim which i discussed in this post is more or less solid. You would't want to claim Babysitter as mafia. It's... Just bad. Unless of course, Etine is bad at game which i can't believe with 5 years of expireince. Of course Etine looking not ideal paragon, but looking decent for allowing live for now.

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if kitty and enchant are scummies - std is a mafia scum with them.
if cabd and etine are townies - std is a mafia scum (it means he found zero scums, talking that he has three).

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And if he's a goon then? nothing happens

Except we will elim townie instead of mafia

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VOTE: Cabd

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VOTE: Kitty

Ugh

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I will stay on a fake cop

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I promise there will be much kitty's talking in mafia chat, he rarely appears in the thread, faking that doesnt count votes, than doesnt care about who to check in what condition, and then says goodbye going to sleep.
I know what it means to get a cop-pr first time. Kitty wouldnt be so not interested in game with that, it would be the greatest responsability for him and ge would be searching mafia with more interest tgan for usual townie.
This is not a cop.
We will make a mistake voting somewhere else

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Hammer him with two votes.
The whole responsability is on me

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VOTE: Enchant

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This is not only about activity. You just bad, you are not hard-trying to win

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This is not only about activity. You just bad, you are not hard-trying to win

Because it's my first time being an investigative PR? If I was super-helpful they would NK me before I used my shot.

So thats why you decided not to care much about the game? Seems legit

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If I was super-helpful

You could do it not very openly, gathering the info, reading players with attention. Did you do it at all? Seems that you absolutely had no your own opinion about where to go at night,you have no plan, no thinking, no thinking about options,you just lied about your role

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This is not only about activity. You just bad, you are not hard-trying to win

this is not ok to say about someone else. its demotivating and makes them not want to play.

This is a reason why he is not a cop

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Guys, imagine he is not a cop and just a scum.
Tomorrow after some townies deaths, he will tell us the result of check of someone.
Maybe it is townie or a scum. Or maybe we'll have miller's problem,nobody knows for sure.
Then what?
Provide me a reason why you can start thinking that Kitty should be eliminated?
Before appearing the real cop (if thats one exist!), are there any opportunities to see Kitty as a scum?
Today townie can be elimed instead of kitty.
Tomorrow if he tell on someone "scum", are you going to elim this person? For example cabd. So kitty will be alive one more day?
If he doesnt die at night, will you hang him tomorrow?
Please tell me.
By the way we cannot even give the exact aim to the Kitty,because mafia can shoot this target (or just make a lie, that the check was in the dead body).

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DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

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DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

Are you playing right now somewhere using alt?
It can explain some things tho
Did you play with Dkkoba earlier? In your 3-4 games before this one?

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Im asking that because just thought about: if Kitty is new player like me and sees Dkkoba first time, it is easier to call him WindowsXP, and Dkkoba it could be from Mafia Chat (maybe a partner or maybe mentioned there many times like dkkoba).
But well, now it seems morw like a wrong direction, ok.

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Why can we not just wait 1 night?

The night ends, smb like Nero/Mark/XP is a dead townie (nk). And before that eliminated Cabd/T3 is townie. And Kitty is alive with some useless info about check. Or even with scum check.
What are your next actions?
To give Kitty one more night? Till the end of the game?

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It is highly important to elim mafia early not only because of necessity to kill a mafia, but also we need to know asap at least one exact mafia to seek the others. Before that it will be highly difficult to find any mafia. But after the first one it wouldbe much easier.

Ok i see that it is almost impossible to elim Kitty today. You almost all dont want it.
Lets find another one.

I think Enchant is a good choice.
It is even doesnt matter now is he with Kitty or not, is kitty a real cop or not.

Im ready to elim him just because he asked kitty-cop to check his (Enchant's) only townie Etine. Fail!

Am i the only one who sees that ridiculouse?

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Then we kill him and see if he's a real cop with a real result, or scum

Well ok, we lose not much, if kitty a real cop and we hang him tomorrow. Knowing his check elimation of him is like killing a simple townie. If he is real one-shot cop.
But will we hang him tomorrow if he is alive?
There will be less people to hang him...
There can be scum check of smb else...
Well, if kitty is real mafia, we chose a very difficult way

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And he doesnt worry about his death much, discussing a night check...

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If t3 is traitor, this claim can be a signal to mafia.
But im not sure and i dont get it about many moments in roles and there is too much random and fake-claiming can be in this game...
I dont know, i dont feel bad about T3.
Maybe if Enchant is townie, i will think, that t3 is mafia...
But not sure...

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I feel Enchant is a scum. Oh yeah

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T3 is townie or some pr, Nero is townie
We should elim Enchant today
Lets do that

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It seems that not today
Vote Enchant

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It's either Cabd or Enchant today IMO

So vote Enchant

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Show us that you are not partners with him

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If it is common knowledge that there can be a traitor with such ability,why did he has so not full claiming? He could say the definite role,not giving us much opportunity to guess. Afraiding of a block? Or just not caring about himself just much believing in Kitty-scum so much, that is ready to risk himself (almost sacrifice), just to hang kitty. Though there is a chance that he knows that kitty is true cop , in that case his action has sense... though if he is faking like a townie, it is also has a sense. Is it not toooo risky for nafia to do like that? Claiming with no big pressure... just to hang kitty... even seeing that chances arw getting low for that?? He is like one player,not a team... i guess

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Kitty, who is more scummy Cabd, T3 or Enchant?

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Enchant should be eliminated today obviously

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Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny