Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

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i dont know who to vote for yet

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i just got a new job working at holland n holland

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most of my time will be busy

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i will still try to find mafia though

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there r more customers than im used to though

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but i think i can manage

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hopefully i dont get fired

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im not random voting so i will be back later to read

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i played with anya in two games where she played the same and she was town

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did u rly read her iso from her other games

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last time i played a large I focused on trying to build a townblock and keep the scum out as much as possible and it worked pretty well for me.

it makes sense for me to be put in this block

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i dont trust u even if u are town bc of seeing your performance last time I handed you townreads I had in a game you replaced in for me.

k cool i know who u r i did play horrible that game

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i know u will eventually put me in the townblock like in 2199

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[v[vasex[/v]

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VOTE: vasex

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if nero is town vasex is probably mafia

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i think xp n anya r probably town here

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anya is anya n xp hesitance to townblock me cuz of a bad game is good

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i dont know about etine or kitty

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kitty pretty much townread me i dont know if that is what he does as town

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a bad vote doesn't necessarily make one scum. Is there some other reason here?

i already felt vasex was probably mafia by his iso

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also his play around kitty is weird

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i dont know about kitty but id rather try to sort than just kill

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i could vote for T3 as well

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Rathe, what if Kitty is mafia after first elimination? What will change in your view?

i dont know with more mafia n dynamics maybe it is a higher chance to bus partners

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the thing about kitty being nervous n actually saying it sounds like town

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theres a lot of time left n things will definitely change before deadline

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but i think there r better slots to vote right now

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So if Kitty is claimed dead mafia, you still would like to hang Vasex or T3 as his most real partners, right?

i dont know until there is a real flip n we have information but its not impossible

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Explain? Vasex was an initial tr but I haven't seen much of him since.

what made u townread him

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to all players who think cabd is mafia what r u seeing i dont know what i should be looking for

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to cabd what do u think about ur scumreaders

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dunnstral could be mafia n save the dragons could be his partner

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u r playing very similar to micro 1000

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I tred Vasex because we arrived at a similar conclusion about kitty at the same time.

i looked again to make sure and u piggybacked on vasex

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it wasnt the same time

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so u could be mafia n vasex is town

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i think etine might just be town

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its possible to fake but not sure if mafia would be so specific

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i understand what u r saying samantha but could it just be town

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VOTE: dunnstral

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i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

k this was my thought exactly

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if mafia is nervous they have a private thread to talk in

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i went to look back at y people thought kitty was mafia

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vasex with this is mine y do u still think kitty is mafia

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u believe if mafia was actually nervous they would say it in the big thread

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vasex initial scumread on kitty was fair i guess, but i think T3 jumping on was not good

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n then he said he and vasex had the same thought at the same time which was not true

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VOTE: T3

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i can say that maybe vasex is town, but nothing has really changed for T3

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im still suspicious of dunnstral

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save the dragons is thinking n mafia dont rly wanna clear townies

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Dunn is also not for today either.

y

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rathe what not Dunn slot would you vote today? Same q to u STD.

already voting it will vote dunnstral as well

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we still have a lot of time things change a lot

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i still dont think kitty is mafia i suppose he should be able to defend himself before he is ultimately killed.

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id rather T3 or dunnstral or maybe one of the other slots

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but we have still have a lot of time to sort other slots

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if we do that n still come back to kitty i guess i would be okay with that

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there r still 10 slots i havent been able to get to

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n its hard cuz they r not rly talking so asking questions is tough

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artemiana, cabd, ndmath, drippinggoofball, deathnote, deep city lights, andresvmb, kerset, marky mark, enchant

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most of these i havent got to read yet but some slots dont talk much so even if i read I still dont know

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Well. I am here. Ask questions.

sometimes i just need to read to get a feeling n i havent read you yet

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when i do n i have questions i will tell u

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Kitty is a fine vote, we shouldn't be voting for Etine post-claim imo

y do u think kitty is mafia

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Is anybody of you ready to vote Kitty?
Maybe not roght now but later this day?

not me

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vasex now that kitty has claimed y r still wanting to vote him u think he is mafia cop

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oh i just read your post

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Aren't it impossible for mafia have Cop ability? It's useless for them.

mafia can have cop role to find town prs

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i think kittys claim matches with how i seen him play this game

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with 2 claimed town prs on the biggest wagons of today we have to look elsewhere

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i still dont know about cabd others seem to know him better

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i do feel good about that wagon though

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most of my town reads r voting there

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i guess i wanna feel better voting there for myself not others

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ill read again but any insight will help me cabd never answered my questions

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Kitty claimed just Cop who finds "Guilty" or "Not Guilty", not rolecop. Cop is useless for mafia. Rolecop is not.

oh that is right k it makes it better for kitty then

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yeah im not liking your play around this vasex

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r u stubborn or just mafia i dont know

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vasex u still think andresvmb is mafia with kitty

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kerset out of all ur low reddish reads y u only vote for kitty but not like anya or ndmath

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n u had vasex low too but u followed his vote u think he is voting for his partner

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u didnt really talk about anybody so don’t understand 712

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like in 432 u were concerned about marky mark getting townreads but he is ur strongest townread in ur list y

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u voting for ndmath was kinda weird cuz u didnt say anything to him rly

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then u just voted for kitty cuz of ur list

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u didn’t say anything about him either

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who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

if kitty turns out to be town what will u do

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why andre? why are you asking about him?

y is it strange to ask u about andresvmb he is one of the slots i dont know about yet

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i read ur iso enchant n i think u r probably town

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same for ndmath

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there is quality in his not that many posts

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huh slip u have to explain that to me

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not the concept of slip but where he did it

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who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

if kitty turns out to be town what will u do

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Wouldn't the correct play be to not lynch kitty today and in case they are really a 1x cop use the investigation?

yes

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weak to be easy cheated by mafia in one of the commonest situations when the scum is going to be dead

weak also means being stubborn n not thinking u could be wrong

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if kitty is 1 shot cop it is best to let him use his shot not kill him before he can

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even if he gets nightkilled it is better than hanging a potential town pr

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kitty vote for T3

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r we rly voting for enchant for slipping nothing else

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did any of you read the iso

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why do you telling him that???

cuz i think people r wrong about enchant

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u never answered my question if kitty is town what would u do

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k so kitty claimed 1 shot town cop
T3 claimed n1 n2 cop n lied about bulletproof

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818 vs 1011 n then 1158 n 1159

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kitty was at e1 n thought he was hammered kittys claim sounds more believable

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there was no reason for u to claim T3 n then lie about bulletproof

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what did u think was the benefit of claiming bulletproof in the first place

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i guess u need the same chance as kitty

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i wanna know what others think about it

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VOTE: cabd

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i dont wanna go for anastasia or ndmath or enchant today

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T3 n kitty r not going today so they can prove their claims

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based on all i read i think cabd will give more information than andres or deep city lights

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1431
y did u only quote those since i have a big iso you posted out of context

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what dont u understand ask me questions or try to understand me

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this is how i post i usually only talk now when i have something to say

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there is a player on site named raya36 n she helped me i rly thank her

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she said to post whatever is on ur mind

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so i do that now i dont say everything but i say what I wanna say that u know what im thinking

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unfortunately i think we r going to talk ourselves out of a kill

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then deadline will come n there will probably be a flashwagon on someone we dont want

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ive already said who i wont vote for today but i can vote for someone else

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etine u never responded to my posts

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is it possible that a cop claims bp not to die at night?

well u see how that went down they thought he was traitor

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i can still vote T3 if that is what actually happens otherwise i will wait for him to prove himself

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VOTE: T3

lets try to push it through yes n dont talk ourselves out of it

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It nice Adre that you say all of this 5 days later, not when I needed more supporters to get T3 voted out.

better late than never

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id rather hammer then be on another wagon that doesnt actually happen

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i think we have talked enough

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that is l2

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k i can vote for T3, dunnstral, deathnote, deep city lights, n cabd

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can we please just push one of these through

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we have talked enough

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like i said pretty soon we wont have any time left

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rathe maybe this game you can trust my townreads on d1 at least rather than stubbornly sticking to the same style of reading players please. cop claims WILL resolve themselves.

yeah maybe but if we disagree on some we disagree

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When you're cop you're worried that you will be shot.

so then dont claim there was no reason to

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kitty was at e1 n thought he was hammered which is y i believe his claim more

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stop thinking bad play = scum play.

what do u do then its bad play n u just let it go bad play goes unpunished often as well

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how will u get better

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we disagree on kitty/t3 so what else can we actually agree on

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if T3 claimed bulletproof cuz he was scared to get killed y did he unclaim it before the day was over

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cuz he was getting voted for being possible traitor

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i dont believe he was scared to get nightkilled

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maybe kitty is mafia but he claimed when he was supposed to at e1/when hammered even though he wasnt

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what was he supposed to do in that situation

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i thought claiming was about reevaluating if you want to actually kill this player

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going back n forth isnt good lets compromise on someone

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the issue i have with u xp is that u seem to give leeway to some players n not others

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when they do the same thing

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kitty n T3 claim cop vasex n enchant self vote

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y is vasex frustration better than enchant

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i see it as the same thing it doesnt make sense to townread one n scumread the other

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u believe T3 cop claim over kittys which to me distinctly made more sense n was more believable

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I would wager that both are town.

i agree thats y im asking

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u believe T3 cop claim over kittys which to me distinctly made more sense n was more believable

maybe im the only one that thinks but its how i see it i think people r just bias cuz of his early play

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T3 claimed bulletproof which was anti town n when he got to 8 votes he unclaimed bulletproof n claimed cop

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u said he was scared as a cop so thats y he claimed bulletproof so he wouldnt get killed

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he only unclaimed bulletproof cuz he was at 8 votes n was about to die but if he didnt claim bulletproof he wouldnt have been about to die

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Because he was pushing the game forward multiple times and kept getting shut down, and then got votes on him and its sorta like a natural reaction to be like "fuck this" and self vote.

i get that but enchant said he was tired of repeating of himself over n over n then when u get votes on u after explaining it’s the same frustration

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it was clearly a stupid town gambit to not get nightkilled

but if he is not bulletproof like he said then he is going to get killed anyway

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Players who clearly have been communicating their intent are easier to read and give leeway to when they have their intent on the table + when I know context behind why they would do said actions it makes more sense for me.

k i guess it also makes sense if u already think someone is mafia i just think u should see them both as either townie or nai

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or both scummy

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another thing both etine n kitty claimed kinda specific roles T3 role claim was vague

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i know there r times u want to be vague or ambiguous but i didnt see a reason to

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u said the same thing about kitty n cabd vasex

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True but the scum may not want to waste a NK trying, and instead would push for a day elimination.

k makes sense

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If he was townie, he wouldnt give up so easy

well u gave up as well should we assume ur mafia

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u voted for yourself like enchant

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If he was townie, he wouldnt give up so easy

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if he is mafia so r u if ur towny so is he u both did the same thing

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my thought was that it was a mistake to claim bulletproof so he said he is not

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being a bulletproof mafia probably means there is a vigilante otherwise he is town who lied

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thats y i tell xp that bad play should be punished if he is town who lied

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thats worse case scenario best case scenario is he is mafia

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does mafia usually know the traitor?
does traitor usually know mafia?

the traitor know who the mafia is but the mafia do not know who the traitor is but they know there is a traitor

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I think the answer to the game is within pages 107->116

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2650

I suggest everyone reread just that time period

so we were right about T3 thats great

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all the quiet ones from day 1 r rly chatty today

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lost a partner n now have to make sure u control the conversation

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i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

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or not

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if not who do u think is the busser or bussers

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VOTE: dunnstral

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I am going to trust your judgment

but y what do u think

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VOTE: dunnstral

y tho

i just have a feeling that he is mafia this game

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no to just u but bloodhail n almost50 as well

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k thats fair

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we will see

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Rathe are you and samatha friends?

i trust her if thats what ur asking

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Anyway, just vote Nero please.

what do u see from nero

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Anyway, just vote Nero please.

what do u see from nero

n u didnt vote T3 when u were saying he was scum u voted vasex n then nero

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u were already voting him i think

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terrible defense of T3, spent most of day 1 tunneling andres who was one of the people pushing the hardest for T3

i think windowsxp defense was worse

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id like to hear how ur reads have changed now that u have major information

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as bad as ur defense of t3 was i dont think mafia would be that blatant n open to protect their partner

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like it doesnt make sense for u to link ur self that heavily to mafia if ur mafia

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i think it would make more sense for u to bus ur partner than defend him the way u did

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fuck off i was one of the initial pushers of t3

ur defense was poor he lied and u didnt rly want to say that he did