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days over now

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VOTE: Cabd

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Evening all, just here to batter some scum.

Claiming now and will read up properly when I get home.

I'm a miller btw.

hi i don't see you on the player list

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is there a townblock application form

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the first rule of townbloc is to not ask to be in townbloc

i want to be in the town block

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I have about 4 scumreads

who

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VOTE: Save The Deagons

He is worthy of this vote

i am not worthy

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you jokingly put DCL?

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VOTE: Etine

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if nero is town vasex is probably mafia

i dig it

VOTE: Vasex

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scrutinize me cap'n

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maybe i'm just an edgelord

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nero town
andres town
deathnote town
marky town
rathe town

etine scum - or just weird and we're not connecting
vasex scum
cabd scum

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adding T3 to town

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i liked his interaction with etine

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Townie points to Nero and Marky. If Kitty and Etine are mafia.
Samantha is also 99% not with Kitty.
Rathe maybe is townie if Kitty mafia

Kitty's defenders:
- rathe (but kitty says "I am fairly sure Rathe is town also." (I have doubts they are partners after that), and others think rathe is townie, so...)
- deathnote
- andrew
- std

i haven't said anything about kitty

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nero town
andres town
deathnote town
marky town
rathe town

etine scum - or just weird and we're not connecting
vasex scum
cabd scum

Can you explain the cabd read?

gut read based on the tone of the posts. lot of stuff that looks like it helps town but isn't really alignment indicative.

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your obsession with kittytacky is weird but i don't think it's indicative yet that you couldn't be partners.

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why are you voting cabd, vasex?

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i'm less sold on etine at the moment

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i'm not the only cabd scumread so i'm curious why i'm the only one who should be scrutinized for it

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no but i prefer my current vote atm

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i may be site old but i'm still a millennial :<

you haven't really explained why wagoning cabd is a good idea anyway so

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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"low content" isn't a good scumread this early in the game

scrutinize me cap'n

You've somehow managed to avoid talking about anything important, except arguably you jumping onto Vasex

Your posts read as filler and being on the edge of the game

also when i did post content he ignored it. he's not interested in reading my slot. he just wants to push me for some reason...

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how i feel about kitty

a play in three acts

By the way this is my first large. It's more than twice as big as a newbie and almost twice than a mini so I'm nervous.

i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

In our previous game he has the list of scummies rather early. Is he seeking them now? I dont think so

i feel like expecting someone to solve a large game so early is a bit much to ask.

intermission please buy some damn popcorn it keeps the theatre alive

(My underlines below)

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum

trying to mislynch me.

This feels awkward and over-thought. If they are scum and they are pushing you then it is inherently implicit that they are trying to miselim you. The quoted sentence reads much more naturally without the underlined bit.

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative.

i feel like this is just potential newbiebait rather than scumbait

*bows*

encore
i feel that vasex does get some townie cred for recent posts but his interaction with kitty is still giving me some heebie jeebies

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DGB why are you voting kitty

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That's 1 post and it comes right after you get called out for having no content, it looks like you're trying to fill the gap

do you really think i've only provided 1 post of content?

if i were town in your eyes, what should i have done instead? or was there nothing i could have done hmm

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Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

Based on what?

I wouldn't say this atm

it does seem a little early in the argument to say this

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any other scumreads or just me

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probably Cabd atm

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nero do you think any of the lurker slots are particularly scummy?

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VOTE: Cabd

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cake sounds tasty tho

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DGB why are you voting kitty

Is that a problem for you?

no? do you not want to answer my question?

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Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, NDMath, Artemiana, Cabd, deep-city-lights, WindowsXP, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain

Is anybody of you ready to vote Kitty?
Maybe not roght now but later this day?

not interested

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OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

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my bday is next month this is my scumday!

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OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

yes i don't get it

but i read his post as not particularly serious

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do you think PR doesn't explain the differences in kitty's play between what you've seen before and this game?

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i have no insight on cabd unfortunately

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who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

sick burn

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i still don't see the "slip"

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ok i think i see the "slip" but i didn't take that post to be overly serious?

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if only there was some indication that Enchant likes to make jokes and isn't 100% serious with everything he says!

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VOTE: WindowsXP

Old.

What leader? Everyone knows i should be one.

I townread you lots so I agree

We have simular mind, i townread self too.

One dog for family.

No.

Dayvig Anya.

who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

I played 5 already. Can't now.

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i didn't just quote jokes from the beginning of the game, so...

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my point is that the post that looks like a joke comes from a player who jokes, not that he jokes 100% of the time

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i stopped thinking etine was mafia a long time ago

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i'm also not arguing that enchant isn't scum, that i'm not sure of yet. i just don't think kitty is scum and i don't see the "scumslip"

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Cabd who do you think is scum?

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I don't tend to make votes widely, I much prefer to holster until I am voting somebody I really WANT to vote, HARD.

what was/is your case on me?

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and that's enough to make you almost want to vote somebody you *checks notes* really WANT to vote, HARD?

interesting...

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and that's enough to make you almost want to vote somebody you *checks notes* really WANT to vote, HARD?

interesting...

scummy

yeah it was scummy of cabd good point

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i mean since the beginning of the game, cabd has:

posted a cake recipe
told us how to self meta him half a dozen times
never voted
provided one read on one person

and this doesn't seem to bother Dunnstral on his "all filler no content" crusade against me

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im not sure how i feel about enchant but so far i dislike every case against them

they didn't scumslip and they weren't the first to talk about T3 being a traitor

if anything i'm more suspicious of T3 but i think i need to reread a bit

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but Cabd is worse IMO.

What has Cabd done...?

Exactly

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VOTE: NOTE: I don't know how popular here to destroy your partners from the very beginning, so I proceed on the assumption that this is not so common phenomenon everywhere, especially in Newbie games.

now this is a wagon i can get behind

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tvt

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VOTE: Anastasia

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VOTE: Anastasia

Do you find Vasex's case against me compelling?

not really i just find voting for your slot compelling

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have you read the game?

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the replace out is not game related im assuming

my biggest problem with arte was a lack of content before then. my biggest problem with anastasia is her defense it is coming off scummy, it's too casual. kind of a gut read. but i'm interested to hear what she has to say about the game.

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did you see my other posts

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If you look at ND's posting iso, there is little substance and few posts.

i agree few posts, but i'm not sure if there's little substance, can you clarify why his posts seem to have little substance? this is an argument that can be made about your slot.

Most importantly he does not seem to engage with the action that's happened already today in the major wagons.

it was weird how he called out Enchant and Kitty as scum and then votes Samantha for also being scum, instead of jumping on a wagon that would prove useful he avoids them to vote for some randowagon.

He barely says anything about Etine's alignment - this type of hands off approach is often used by scum who do not want their fingerprints on an early town-wagon.

i'm not sure that everyone commented on etine's alignment, are you scumreading other people for this?

His read on kitty switched from town to scum fairly quickly and I don't really see the justification for the progression.

i dunno, i think a lot of game happened in between the two posts.

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I think Kitty/T3 are both good police officers who want to keep our beautiful town safe.

I would trust both of them.

does this mean you're TRing both cop claims

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okay what do you think about samantha and dunnstral?

I did end up reading Etine’s emotional reaction to being wagoned (not the Claim actually, just the reaction) as I was randomly scrolling through some of the pages, and it’s fairly obvious they’re Town.

what do you think of the quote above?

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Anastasia are you a robot

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VOTE: samantha

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i'd vote cabd but that wagon doesn't seem to be happening

i don't want to get either cop claim today, seems more fun to let it play out anyway and it'll sort itself out

anastasia seems like a robot to me but i don't know if that's scummy. i don't agree that vasex is scum but i think she raises some good points about vasex's arguments against her

samantha's posts are vapid, empty, and sparse

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i did and you called me scum for it

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etine townie, changed my mind on that
you seem townie, changed my mind on that

i do consider dunnstral to be potentially scummy, i've voted for him today. there's no interest in wagoning him. let's save him for another day

i'm not sure how i ultimately feel about anastasia but i think i want to see more. i could be tempted to vote there again but it's not me you have to convince it's the rest of the town

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VOTE: cabd

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VOTE: deep-city-lights

may i ask why without getting raked over the coals this time?

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now there's a good post from samantha

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nero is so town he's competing for getting killed n1

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nero is so scummy now

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maybe now i am

zing

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i don't think you have to worry about that

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kerset what do you think about cabd

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what the hell am i doing in the claimed people tier i thought you scumread me

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i dunno, are you making your reads up?

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Why are you so mad cabd

This just feels off

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Who the fuck leashes a kitty?

dogs r the ones that need walks.

(this is a joke post I'm fine with investigating anya)

we just bought a harness/leash for our cat so we could bring her outside without losing her forever

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i missed talking with cabd time. i want to hear more from him. it was good to see him post, i don't quite agree with anastasia 100% about reaction tests and all that jazz. but at the same time, he is actively ignoring anastasia's contributions to cling to two meta reads as his scum reads. it would be easy to fake. i wish i could just ask cephrir what he thought but i can't boo stupid no cheating rules.

someone tell me why it would be dumb if the claimed cops checked the same person i bet it would be dumb

god i need more coffee before i post i probably sound like a fucking idiot

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what do you think of anasatasia's contributions prior to your reads list

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etine i don't think you're scum but i'd like to know who on the wagon makes you uncomfy

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oh lots of stuff happened

UNVOTE: cabd

i want to give him a chance to speak again

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tvt

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i'm a coward i wanna hear him talk

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u are weak, std)

lmao

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i'd rather not check etine

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yeah i think scum!etine is going to fuck up later (no offense, etine) but i think he's town

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i liked this better

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

but w/e

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VOTE: Cabd

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my vote was 10, enchant brought it back to 9 afaict

i think we have heard cabd's final thoughts

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my vote was 10, enchant brought it back to 9 afaict

i think we have heard cabd's final thoughts

if you think those were "final thoughts" then you are either ignorant or lying.

lol i think he made it clear he was done with the game

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like if he wants to speak than sure let him speak but i'm settled on the slot being scum

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now i regret unvoting

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i think cabd likes playing mafia with people he knows and they just aren't in this game so he's not having fun, i don't see that as changing if he's scum or town

he's also made it pretty clear how busy he is which would make it hard to get into the game, i don't see that changing if he's scum or town

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VOTE: kerset but call me if we're going back to cabd

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VOTE: kerset but call me if we're going back to cabd

kerset is hard town

doubt

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Can't understand what you mean by mistakes, because I didn't made them.

ironic

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VOTE: Cabd

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I know a few of you and a few of you know me but the rest of you are in for either a treat or absolute hell or both at the same time if you swing that way.

I've been banging on the glass doors yelling at bulge to let me in and then of course he opens the thread when I'm asleep on a work night.

Cabd was super excited at the beginning of the game. Why? To be vanilla townie in a game he doesn't know anyone in?

KittyTacky pinging me as newbie scum here. Not sure if the current votes are RVS but VOTE: KittyTacky

Congrats on making a non random vote! Care to share with the class your reasoning? I don't think scum will be handing us a silver platter wrong thread post this game, so you'll have to try harder on this one if town~

I don't know if this is Cabd-like but the energy here is red. Believe me or not.

Because I prefer to make big moves early to generate data. It's practically rinse and repeat these days.

what big moves has he made this game?

crap i though that two people townread me but it was just an altslip

Don't worry my townreads are on sale to the highest bidder.


Whatcha got?

red energy

One note about Marky Mark's Claim....

Four slots had not yet posted when this miller claim went down:

Andresvmb
Dunnstral
Anya
Rathe

If this were a "Mafia fakeclaiming miller" scenario, I am willing to bet that Marky Mark would have waited until the town in this list had posted to ensure there was not an ACTUAL miller claim, or Marky Marky is scum with exactly this list, which, uh... yeah probably not. In a mini normal or micro game, fake miller claims are less likely to be CC'd. But this is a 21 player normal. Lots of potential roles in the game that could sniff out fakery this early.

I'm good w/ Marky for now, even independently of townreading the content of his posts.

NAI but it looks like it is. it looks like good analysis but if cabd is mafia he knows marky's claim is legit so it's a safe thing to say for some towncred. Plus:

But regardless, my point stands, and I doubt scum even weighs that, they just go with "only fake claim miller if we're near last to post" regardless.

I mean he kind of did wait until last anyway

And if by some notion Marky was ever to flip scum those four should be looked at heavily.

hmm

Also self meta wifom but there's no way scum-me wasn't lurking like fuck and woulda lolhammered the wagon when it was at L-1 to trade one for one. Unless of course you were to think I'm scum WITH kitty?

I don't buy this and your scum team could have talked you out of it

Weird angle here man.

attempt to discredit. scummy. unless people really think gutpings lead to (almost) voting someone

I really WANT to vote, HARD.

Especially after I directly asked her to be my bouncing rock this game.

ok but she seems to have gone do you think she wouldn't want to or do you think she just left the site

Mara is much happier and fluffy as town?

i like the read but again she seems to have faded into the ether

Like the one meme where they high-five the drowning dude

lol i missed this the first time

Cabd's reads on town/null are informative if brief. Some of them, like Kerset's "look it up n00bs" and DGB "my head, my heart" ping me and i am trying, TRYING, to separate Cabd!Cabd from scum!Cabd.

Tier Five Reads - "Like the one meme where they high-five the drowning dude"

Anastasia - Marangal (the original owner of the slot via her alt Artemis) and I go extremely way back. As in "Mara was the IC of my first or second newbie game in 2013" back. As in "Literally went to IRL meetups at anime cons" far back. Town-Mara, cognizant of and seeing my "Help I need a friendly face to help me engage into this game" signals being thrown into the ether? She fucking steps up and uses me as her leverage to get both of us back into the game, and HARD. If, for some crazy reason she cannot? She encourages me to keep it up and tries to find that person for me instead. Know what town-mara never fucking does? The crickets form this game.

Dunnstral - Dunn is on this list for similar, but not exactly, the reasons as the above. The last time Dunn and I met in a game, I used town-him as a pivotal part of my strategy for my scum team's perfect win in Tenet. Via a neighborhood where I posted something close to 8 pages of ISO... myself. I would fully expect and actually fully understand Town-Dunn seeing my reach out and being weary of it. Vocally so! I could also see town-dunn shouting from the rooftops "This is how scumcabd gets you OMG!" But instead, we get nothing. To make the ffery sitting over my shoulder watching this thread smile, I'm going to steal her turn of phrase and note that both Dunn and Mara are not fitting their Town Models.

He built a couple reads based on meta, which doesn't seem particularly strong when you account for Artemiana's site-disappearance, Anastasia's content, and Dunnstral's rebuttal. It seems like scum reaching for informative scum reads, trying to avoid the trap Etine fell into when Etine said DCL was scummy.

i dunno, are you making your reads up?

This is about that damn air conditioning joke, isn't it?

Do you enjoy making pointlessly pointed questions that have no real nuance to their answer to everyone? Or just to me?

I don't get the mad seems more calculated than just townie frustration.

Half of my townreads already wrote the "Cabd was very dumb town let's just take the day one mislim as a mistake and move on ignoring him" post in their heads anyways.

ATE

I am at peace that the collective (well, a big part of it anyways) town in this player list doesn't get me.

I'm not scum i'm just misunderstood. i'm not sure i buy it.

This is me still being at work and also not self-hammering.

do you self hammer as scum?

In this scenario I certainly would. I'm a done deal, and steal something like 7 or 8 days of IRL time from town's day one? Easy decision.

meta sucks because of WIFOM all it takes is the scum team egging you on telling you it's okay

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I think locking the thread to steal a page top is borderline mod power abuse.

lol it scared the shit out of me

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Except he did it as soon as he repped in, BEFORE the mod even formally announced him. You think he had time to discuss such a plan in a scum PT? Would bet dollars to doughnuts that he didn't, and he doesn't do that without blessings.

I don't see it outside the realm of possibility but i don't particularly think he's scum

Do you disagree?

it wouldn't hurt to look at them but i still think scum!mark could have claimed miller with only a few nonposters and felt pretty safe.

either way my point here is that it looks like you're driving content in the beginning but i don't know that you actually are with your post.

I mean while technically true, generally speaking scumteams don't talk me in and out of things, I talk THEM in and out of things. Now that I see A50 is replaced into the game, ask him what being scum with me in Tenet was like? Or ask The Ceph-Rawr lol we were a fucking hydra playing every single town with puppet strings.

i would love to ask Ceph about you but i don't think that's kosher

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12206211
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12210949

Bell was scum there btw.

paraphrase?

i've just seen too many people latch onto my weirdness as a "you suck" as scum for it not to at least raise my hackles.

Without discussing other ongoing games.... She didn't fucking sitequit lol. I checked. She woulda said something when leaving if she had. This is like nearly decade old IRL meta here.

i think we're arguing semantics, she was here for a fleeting moment and she left, if she didn't sitequit good for her but she clearly wasn't invested in this game. i respect you have a meta read on the player but i feel some circumstance is different here that isn't alignment indicative otherwise she would have reached out to you. but i don't think enough of her was here to even attempt that.

My title is literally because when I'm ever feeling unsure, i revert back to THE BINDER which is a document I keep of people's meta tells that have yet to be burned. And in some cases, that have been burned but are still valid. Example: Mara only ever discusses a certain game form her past as scum because it's too traumatic for town-her to cite. (This is one that was burned many moons ago but she never broke)

my title's a joke about STDs and doctor protection

my point is that i don't think the meta applies. i want something else, something i can sink my teeth into.

Was probably too sharp and I apologize.

lol i don't care i asked a shitty question

I hate how many people on this site think ATE is inherently scummy. Sometimes one just wants to put their feels out there man. ATE can be towny too, see literally everything that Sakura Hana posted, ever.

it can be, but coupled with other pings it looks like it could be scum trying to influence people into townreading them.

See earlier comment. I wish I could post discord logs because I have an entire speech about this in the Tenet scum discord channel. Day one trading a sunken mafia member to wipe out 7 days of IRL time is almost certainly worth it. Tenet had the fucking treestump mechanic which made things a little more complex, but in a traditional setup, it's fine.

and i still don't care about meta because it's easy to play against it

what if this game is the ONE TIME you go against what you would normally do? no. i'm gonna pass.

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paraphrase?

oh those are posts not games lol i can read a single post

that's pretty neat you dreamt mafia but i'm not sure how it responds to the point i'm trying to make there

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call me detective pikachu because i can feel it in my jellies

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wait

so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?

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I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop.

sounds like 2 shot cop

i think there's a difference between 2 shot cop and the role T3 claimed

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do you like playing scum, Andres?

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does scum!Andres admit he hates scum and that's why he's been avoiding this game so much?

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it also tickles me that both of the ppl that have called me scum, I called them scum first.

who else called you scum again?

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VOTE: Vasex

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i like some of the questions he's asked people, i like some of his reads/votes, it looks like he's engaging the way town would.

i can probably provide more detail later if you want

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Voting himself looks like scum taunting.

I just want cabd, man

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and i dont like how scum std was unvoting his main susp cabd

Me: I want to talk to cabd
Everyone else: let's speedlim him instead
Me: no I wanna talk to him unvote

Now I regret it would have much rather ended the day with cabd gone though I dont think my vote would have been enough

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VOTE: cabd

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Why what should I say about them fighting they've been fighting all game

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I dont think ana is scum and I jumped on vasex mostly to apply pressure to a slot that is a lot of noise

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Why do I have to comment on everything that's going on

I think its TvNull

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Vasex: changing your mind is scummy

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Vasex: that read you had 300 posts ago must be your current reads

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Vasex: even though I've changed my mind you're not allowed to

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Hey windows should I find it suspicious you haven't commented on vasex and I talking to each other yet?

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Hey windows should I find it suspicious you haven't commented on vasex and I talking to each other yet?

what is the purpose of this?

i have literally made a list of reads last page

Same purpose as 2469 I'd reckon

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got the covid vaccine and got super sick, will try to catch up when i can

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you are a lot of noise

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i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

that only at the end of the day was vasex concerned about limming T3?

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i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

that only at the end of the day was vasex concerned about limming T3?

you mean WHEN IT ACTUALLY COUNTED?

you mean WHEN HE COULD POTENTIALLY BE BUSSING ESPECIALLY AFTER CLAIMING TO TR HIM ALL DAY EVEN THOUGH T3'S WAGON WAS PRETTY ON THE ENTIRE DAY NOT JUST AT THE VERY END?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! WHY ARE WE SHOUTING

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bury me

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this game is easier to read with vasex trying to kill kitty every 5 seconds

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A50 will you explain your town reads a little bit?

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k i'm not reading all that

is there anything you want me to answer

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k i skimmed for my name

2256 std “so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?”
2265 std “i think there's a difference between 2 shot cop and the role T3 claimed”

like why do you think that is paired with T3 when no one was looking at this

like honestly

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1518 std “nero is so scummy now”

this was a joke and in context it's clearly a joke so i'm not sure why it made your important post list

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not seeing a case against me at all just seeing my name show up a lot

if you have questions i'm happy to answer them if not i'm not going to comment on every time someone who's obsessive calls my name

VOTE: cabd i still think this has a good shot of being scum

windows looks town
andres looks town
nero looks town

not interested in any of those votes atm

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wait

so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?

I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop.

sounds like 2 shot cop

i think there's a difference between 2 shot cop and the role T3 claimed

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you missed a couple

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i don't want to get either cop claim today, seems more fun to let it play out anyway and it'll sort itself out

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there is also the static sort of single minded push onto cabd only - i dont understand this kind of mentality unless you are scum trying to just rack up mislims and dont wanna spew too many people.

i made several votes yesterday

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i know i am ignoring the other votes but your other votes were:

dunns(??)
anastasia
samantha
vasex(which is a scummy vote considering i was baiting a wagon there)

and kerset

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VOTE: Dunstral

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STD- the same offer I made nero stands.

what was it

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oh for candy? yeah i'll take candy

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that's not candy!

i'm sorry, what did you do to throw your team's investigative down a pit to save yourself? honest question - i was sick for the end of the day yesterday

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VOTE: Dunstral

The case against me is solely that we're both scum together, by the way, so this is an ultra slimy vote

VOTE: Save The Dragons

By the way... assuming I'm scum because I'm pushing probable scum is dumb, pointing to that micro is also dumb and narrow-minded

That's not the reason i'm voting for you obviously

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Convinced by the arguments on this slot more than on nero or Windows.
VOTE: Dragons

which arguments

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VOTE: Dunstral

The case against me is solely that we're both scum together, by the way, so this is an ultra slimy vote

VOTE: Save The Dragons

By the way... assuming I'm scum because I'm pushing probable scum is dumb, pointing to that micro is also dumb and narrow-minded

That's not the reason i'm voting for you obviously

OK. Why are you voting me?

Because yesterday I was the only player you attacked for the reasons you did, but there were others with low content in the beginning. your read didn't evolve as i slowly started to generate content, push targets and voice my opinion on things.

Because you've changed the way you're playing since T3 died and it doesn't seem like it's just from having more information

Because cabd isn't getting votes and i'm trying to vote effectively before scum comes crawling out of the woodwork and slowly jumps on my wagon

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Because yesterday I was the only player you attacked for the reasons you did, but there were others with low content in the beginning.

I wasn't attacking you for your post count.

This is untrue anyway, I believe I made points against both Andres and ndmath

Didnt say anything about post count. Where did you attack other people for the same reasons you attacked me

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i tr me

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154.


What i miss?

We are trying to someone, who townreads STD. No progress so far.

what is that telling you

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Ana, why is your vote on me?

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maybe i'm disappointed others got to dance with you but now that it's my turn the lights are out and everyone's gone home

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that's not candy!

i'm sorry, what did you do to throw your team's investigative down a pit to save yourself? honest question - i was sick for the end of the day yesterday

you didn't answer this cabd i still fail to see what you did to hurt T3. you put him in your "do not touch for today" reads. other than you didn't roll over and die when wagoned (because why would you) i don't see how you affected things. again if i missed it feel free to point it out.

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Also lack of curiosity/engagement of Kitty&T3

i don't want to get either cop claim today, seems more fun to let it play out anyway and it'll sort itself out

i get that's not a lot of engagement but i'm not sure what other engagement is really needed from that viewpoint

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Std, what do you think about xp?

i think they're hunting i think they're trying to find scum

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i tr me

Did you read your Role PM? Or is this just a hunch?

just a hunch

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that's not candy!

i'm sorry, what did you do to throw your team's investigative down a pit to save yourself? honest question - i was sick for the end of the day yesterday

you didn't answer this cabd i still fail to see what you did to hurt T3. you put him in your "do not touch for today" reads. other than you didn't roll over and die when wagoned (because why would you) i don't see how you affected things. again if i missed it feel free to point it out.

Non-ironically skim any of my scum games.

I want you to see if you notice a pattern.

Here's a selection of me as scum in 13P or higher games:

Tenet: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12505048

Mafia Xenologue: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30234

A Memory of Light: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28438

Perpetual Mylo: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30280

Large Normal 165: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29163

Mini 1531: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34898


This guessing game is open to others too. One very flaring thing should stand out to you. First guess is free.

Hint: it directly answers your question.

i'm not doing this

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tell me or don't but i don't care about your meta

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i think they're hunting i think they're trying to find scum

they dont do that when they are scums?
he considers you are the scummiest player of day 2 btw
but prefers to vote others)

i think there's a difference between looking like you're hunting and actually hunting.

i'm aware, i don't really care. i might be wrong about cabd, people are wrong about me.

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i have no idea how town!dkoba hunts

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wow

buy me dinner first

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that was to kitty for their unfortunate typo

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I guess I am curious what made you change your mind about me

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std, is it not suspicious to you what windows said about you in this day when he tried to explain why he sees you as scum? it was so fake explanation in my opinion, and you, std, should understand is it a fake even better from your position, knowing dkkoba etc.

the argument i saw was that i was focused on cabd and not voting other people and they later posted how i voted other people

there is some truth that i was single minded in my push on cabd even though i did vote for other people. but it doesn't make me scummy.

i don't know. i think the argument against me was i was pushing cabd instead of t3 which is true regardless of my alignment, i thought i made it clear i was uninterested in pursuing a cop claim yesterday, so i wanted to pursue the target i thought was scummier. if people want to scumread me for that behavior, they are wrong, but i'm not sure i can blame them.

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This has also been in my mind:

Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

going to throw it out there that this looks just as bad for Dunnstral as it does for me, or at least it should to anyone thinking critically. i am not scum but i could see T3 putting a partner in his tvt argument.

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@STD

Who is scum now?

Cabd, Dunnstral, Kerset, Samantha

maybe vasex, maybe ndmath, maybe anastasia

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Cabd, just so i'm clear, the argument is that you would've spoken out against the T3 wagon instead of *checks notes* doing nothing while you were V/LA

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elaborate

your posts are still devoid of hunting

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i wanted to double check your iso so i did

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i haven't asked a lot of people things but if you want show me a post where you feel you did some good scumhunting

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is it cuz i put you as maybe

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my reads are a lot of gut. if i were mafia i'd have a lot more LHF in my reads i wouldn't throw reads that look like garbage to people. why would i do that. like what do i hope to accomplish as mafia by throwing out a kerset read when NO ONE is looking at kerset right now

a couple of kerset's posts have pinged me as not necessarily having a point to them. they bother me but it's not necessarily something i can tangibly describe.

samantha i've explained, if you want to say she's hunting from her posts that's fine, i'm not seeing it.

dunnstral i've also explained, i could easily see cabd and dunn as scum together. why don't you ask cabd where he sits now with dunnstral?

spicy take on my current scum reads, one in each tier:

Tier One Reads – “Those realistically that will never really be in my crosshairs, binned super early as town”

Kerset – 50% secret meta read, 50% just fucking open the ISO, noobs.

Tier Two Reads – “Those off the table for me today, wheeeeeeee~”

T3 – Claimed Investigative… via claimed Bulletproof, but still giving it time…

Tier Three Reads – “Those I would really need a convincing case on, as they're above null”

samantha97 - A strong start. As Koba mentioned, really needs a day to be sorted out but nothing particularly pings here.

Tier Five Reads - "Like the one meme where they high-five the drowning dude"

Dunnstral - Dunn is on this list for similar, but not exactly, the reasons as the above. The last time Dunn and I met in a game, I used town-him as a pivotal part of my strategy for my scum team's perfect win in Tenet. Via a neighborhood where I posted something close to 8 pages of ISO... myself. I would fully expect and actually fully understand Town-Dunn seeing my reach out and being weary of it. Vocally so! I could also see town-dunn shouting from the rooftops "This is how scumcabd gets you OMG!" But instead, we get nothing. To make the ffery sitting over my shoulder watching this thread smile, I'm going to steal her turn of phrase and note that both Dunn and Mara are not fitting their Town Models.