Newbie 2062: The Hubble Telescope - End!

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VOTE: rationalmadman

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initial feeling was andante was town n rational was mafia

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maybe ivy

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mafia joke about being mafia

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town wanna prove u wrong

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For me Rational is strong town and Andante is lean scum. Explain?

i understood andantes post to be tongue in cheek not serious

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ivyeos reaction made me think

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n rational reaction to andante made me think

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How often? Usually town do, especially when it's a quick reply to someone random voting them on nonsense reasoning.

dont have numbers but ive seen it mafia sometimes don’t know how to react

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we agree on orctin at least rational

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64 was not good

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i forget i am in newbie game n there r only 2 mafia

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yes, only 2 scum

yeah i come from normals and themes

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It feels like a genuine list of reads, not forced at all.

maybe so but the vote was strange like it was random

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I feel like Andante did something of a subconscious slip. Andante says RM and I are masons, but why not scumpartners (from a town POV)?

even rational feels uncomfortable with your townread n andante does think ur mafia

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i dont think T3 and rational r partners cuz they r linked

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if rational was mafia he would probably tell T3 not to get to close

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u rly think me and ivyeo r the same i dont think so

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i dont know u n demainer seem to know better about him

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i cant get anything from his 5 posts it doesnt sound like anything

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i think he has a chance to be mafia as anyone else

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you don't feel clasko should have a single line of substance thus far?

i didnt say that i said clasko didnt post anything to make me see him either way

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i have to have a reason to vote not cuz someone thinks i should

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My only reference point is the last game where I played with clasko and ivy (2060), if you go through both their isos in that game, then you'll know just as much about them as I do now.

sorry i dont read other games i focus on the game im in

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what do u have to say about it clasko

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being emotional will not allow u to play the game well

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do u think rational is mafia?

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otherwise y would u close off discussion

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call me shit at this for all I care, it's how I play, and when people anger me, it's literally not good. so I'm stepping away for an unknown amount of time, cause I honestly can't deal right now.

k thats good take care

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Off the top of my head, Rathe is getting scummier, like, I'm not looking at exact posts, but Rathe has been noticeably getting scummier.

y

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Both were just meh at the start, nothing significant from them

i was not meh u thought i was town

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what do u want to know

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i say what is on my mind so u can know what i think

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a player here helped me to get better at saying my thoughts even if they r weird

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if u want to ask me specific questions then thats fine but i dont do readslist n that stuff

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i dont think u n T3 r partners cuz of how u guys have talked to each other

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i think u both r probably town

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i am starting to think u r maybe town rational but i dont know rly

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u have some posts that seem like town n u have posts that seem like mafia

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the main thing u said that sounds like town is that u may have confbias for andante

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That's good! I do like that!! like, tbh I still think clasko is my strongest sr, but people are shaking me. I crack under pressure, I do not work well under it

u don’t want mafia to know this cuz they can get u everytime

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sheesh y would u claim

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VOTE: andante

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This is insane. If a scum dies D1, scum almost always loses. Why would they risk this instead of using it as a last-resort when pushed to E-1.

y would town

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voting Andante here is literally both stupid and anti-town.

what do u think about the claim in the first place

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You can't be this stupid, seriously

y would a doctor ever claim

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Rathe/Rational is not a team. They wouldn't both make this play.

so what does that mean to u n what does it tell u

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You can't be this stupid, seriously

y would a doctor ever claim

I HAVE FUCKING EXPLAINED THIS HOLY FUCKING SHIT

u said y andante might claim but y would a doctor claim

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how does it benefit the town

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Explain why a counterclaim is worse for town than otherwise.

cuz it can reveal the real pr

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for mafia

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doctor is protective n works with town

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if u r actually the real doctor ur claim is anti town

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it was no need to claim

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u had 2 votes like orctin n rational

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it was selfish

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if ur mafia u r trying to get the real doctor to claim

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this will give u easy access to the other pr

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no worries about wasting a nightkill

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either way u being voted out is the best play

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town does not act this way especially pr

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n im not claiming anything

VOTE: andante

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read rationals posts n tell me what u see

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he is extremely confident that andante will flip mafia

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even attaching himself to her if she actually flips doctor

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what that tells me is
-he n andante r partners n this was a plan that they created n he knows getting mafia will make us think he is town
-he is a role that doesnt allow for a doctor

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in either case i will vote andante n not have a problem with it

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cuz if its the second scenario i dont want to kill a real pr

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if it gets me killed so be it

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So you're saying that from your perspective Rational/Andante are both confirmed Mafia yes?

no i said what i said

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uhhh you're voting me and I'm the doc...

so u say

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Wrong, you did say that as you said that either Rational is PR that can counterclaim or that Rational/Andante is both scum.
The former is proven to be false by the agreement to get Town to counterclaim, yet didn't themselves. So that leaves the latter, which makes them both confirmed scum in your head.

its not wrong even if u think it is in my mind both scenarios r still possible

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there r reasons why pr doesnt want 100% claim

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i will reveal my thoughts on day 2

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the most probable mafia partner would be T3

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question to everyone do u townread someone who thinks u r mafia

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get T3 to 4 votes n i will hammer

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i missed the hammer sorry

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It seems like Rathe is trying to scare people from voting T3 hoping we move else where.

this doesnt make sense im not being vague i said what i said get T3 to e4 n i will hammer

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If T3 is scum I think Rathe has a good chance of his buddy.

how n y

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Then vote T3, and I'll hammer if I'm not satisfied with the discussion.

no i will do it

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Maybe I'm wrong, I'll listen.

u r wrong i dont care about being wrong i dont think i am n i dont care about changing votes

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i vote for mafia

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then you not making a readlist is scummy.Doesn't make sense

not making a readslist is not anti town especially when u give thoughts on slots

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i dont make readslist n i dont write paragraphs

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I care that you park your vote and refuse any attempt to solve.

just cuz i dont give all my thoughts doesnt mean im not solving if i think ur mafia i will vote u

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If Andante is scum, then Andante has a scum buddy.

i said who i think it is already but i dont think u will actually hammer

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if u actually will then i will vote T3

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VOTE: T3

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that is good we can talk about all of it on day 2 i think mafia will keep me alive since i got heat on me

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even if they think i am pr

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k so andante was the doctor

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my play on day 1 was purposeful

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it was all a reaction test i wanted to see how people would react

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i began to think that jackson was mafia cuz of his response

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like he was trying too hard to be upset at the votes on the doctor

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afterwards he started looking a little more like town but overall i dont know if he is town

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tracker please dont claim like andante at least u can be useful

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i dont know who T3s partner is yet

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Got any reads off of that other than Jackson?

Jackson is the only one that stood out more than anyone else

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im trying to decide if the reaction was genuine or fake

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as far as T3 i dont think there would be bussing on day 1 with only 2 mafia

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n i don’t wanna think about what if i like to think about what makes logical sense n bussing just doesnt

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if we ever play future games together n u lie about a fake role or claim something weird i will most likely vote u

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i think the tracker needs to look at rational if rational is in fact not the tracker

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ive never actually townread him strongly

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i will wait for demainer to come before i vote there

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it was all a reaction test i wanted to see how people would react

also T3s reaction was very suspicious but we already know he is mafia

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So rathr is going to try and pretend that yesterday was a rxn test

it was a reaction test i dont have to pretend

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i think it would be easier to just kill demainer n it may be better to kill it now before it replaces

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im not familiar with hypoclaims but it seems like it will just confuse everyone more than normal

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VOTE: demainer

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I could not have said that about Rathe better.

yeah it may not have been the best play but i would do it the same way again

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it was not good to claim doctor cuz even though we caught mafia what if we didnt

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bad play goes unpunished too often

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andante will keep getting killed if she keeps playing the way she does

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we won very nice

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thats the quickest game i remember playing

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good game everyone

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so rational despite my weird play around andante what made u so strongly townread me

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i had u as early mafia n then u started looking like town but then u started looking like mafia again

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hopefully we can play more games together

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Not despite. Directly due to. Scum wouldn't do what you did, especially are you're SE not newbie, to eother their partner or to real doc (especially not to real doc). You'd already been votinge all day phase to reaction-test me which was Towny pressure to put on me and your reaponses all provoked people to think and read.

k cuz i usually get scumread cuz of my style it was nice playing with u all