Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

[marcistar]

i heard norway melts like a chocolate santa in a tanning bed when he's scum

[marcistar]

But whatever i think we should eliminate in the 6P hood. Because then we can win in day 1 just like the last time Divide and Conquered was hosted.

ur scum

but srsly tho, i agree.

[marcistar]

Marcistar already do be feeling kinda different.

wdym from this? like from last game?

[marcistar]

What else would it mean?

idk bro just wanted to make sure.
i know sometimes im shocking stupid tho.

[marcistar]

Eliminating down the 3p hood gives us at worst 3p ELo in the other group.. I'd sooner take that than the 1/6 chance for instawin. Unless someone starts jumping up and down and outs themselves as scum.

Nah, eliminating 6p hood gang 4 lyfe baby.

Scum in the 3p hood would certainly want this

thats true, thats my og thought about this as well.

[marcistar]

Real talk, i would never agree to put myself in the same hood as N_M because i hate him.

that sounds mean
you know what they say, high risk high reward? that was prob u when deciding the neighborhoods

[marcistar]

Marci is locktown, she promised me she is town this game

i remember promising this, but like ur confusing me! you looked like u didn't know if you could trust me earlier.

[marcistar]

This was a joke

Before we signed up together for this game, in the post game chat of the last game, I said "As long as you promise to be on my team next time, and not try to trick me like in this game"

ah ah actually? im so bad with jokes LOL

[marcistar]

I also think n_m is the scummiest person in the small pool so far for a pretty similar reason, I'm pretty sure he's posted more times so far this game than in the entire game we just played together, and if I thought he was tabled from contention today I would be very far from kind of glad about it.

I have lukewarm leaning scum and Norwegian leaning town.

do u have any fresh takes

[marcistar]

Oh and Marcistar. Can you make your current reads known?

i think luke and guiltylions is townies

unsure about everyone else really,
vanderscamps the person who has the worst vibes rn imo.
as well, hopkirk does have weird vibes as well, but it doesnt really seem like scummy weird vibes yet.

i'm not really sure of playstyles here, but dunnstral i dont remember alot from so he sticks out a bit.

[marcistar]

VOTE: Marcistar
This feels the most likely to be scum cumulatively when looking at both worlds.

i agree

explain please.. what makes me most likely

[marcistar]

You're not really townie, you could be alligned with N_M and you could be alligned with Bingle.
Ergo you have the highest % of flipping scum.

why am i "not really townie"? wheres ur juicy tea on me i wanna fight

[marcistar]

The fight is proving you’re townier than the rest of the slots.

what if i promise im town

do u have any reasons or is it actually just a process of elimination smhsmh

[marcistar]

Oh and "not really townie" is a fancy shorthand way of saying that literally nothing you’ve said is something i think you couldn’t say as scum.

oh smhsmh u shouldve just said that.
lmk if u want me to vote myself

tbh im just waiting for juicier gossip

[marcistar]

Can you explain to me in detail what your current ambitions are?
Are you trying to solve the game or just mess around?

trying to solve.

"juicier gossip" i meant that theres nothing i find scummy enough to push on

[marcistar]

VOTE: Marcistar
This feels the most likely to be scum cumulatively when looking at both worlds.

i agree

explain please.. what makes me most likely

Why do you agree?

am i meant to explain why im most likely scum..? bro idk how to do that
i guess... just because i am... is that a fine answer?

I don't mind killing into the big pool first if the scummiest person in the game is there but I will advocate very strongly for not avoiding killing into the small pool today just because it is the small pool.

So i'm the scummiest person here? aww damn hurts hard bro

[marcistar]

Marci the people in this lobby seem to take everything people say seriously. Not allowed to joke about being scummy in here

Spoiler:

Or they will elim you

nah i dont mind being sused, where i usually play im always sus no matter what i do so i just vibe with it

I'd like a little more detail about why you think that's the case.

Yes, I'll answer I'm scum because i've been joking around and not pushing for anything in particular. There's nothing really worthwhile for me to push, so me not really making any pushes at all is really sus. As well, one of the people who've seen my game as scum is saying i'm sus, so I am, since other people can pick up on my personality as scum way better than I can. I've been told before from where I play offsite that as scum, i'm very inactive and usually just think of short term, so that'll probably show up as well

wait, I missed this first go around, did you actually take 191 as a serious comment? Like are you saying you genuinely believe marcistar 'agrees' she's the most likely to be scum, moment before asking Norwee what he meant?

tbh he seems serious, so i just looked at myself from a tiny bit of a different pov i guess.

[marcistar]

I wasn't sure, the answer I got makes me think it was more likely serious but still not sure.

im not serious, but im pretty sure ur serious so im carrying thru with susing myself ig.

I'm guessing this is partially serious and partially a joke?

I'd be pretty interested to know how you would read yourself in this spot.

i just like, guessed what yall would be seeing.. it isnt my intent to be playing in that way rn, but it is what is is yknow? im not gonna fake pushes or anything im just waiting for something that seens scummy to come up

I just think it’s an fairly unserious reply to my scumread, like they’re trying to laugh it off or make it seem like it’s not a big deal. I don’t think their response has been townie but just really Lamist. "Haha yes i’m so scummy! Not scum though!"
Which is something i know scum!Marcistar is likely to do from what i’ve seen in the newbie.

my serious reply was asking you what made you feel like i was scum, i was gonna reply seriously to whatever you said but like "this is something scum marci could be doing" idk how to really reply to that ahah.

I think Marci's response has been pretty awkward, regardless of whether or not it was a joke.

i think im just not on the same wavelength as yall tbh

This definitely seems like scum Marci from the newbie game

can u explain how? ahah

[marcistar]

hopkirk whats ur read on norwegianboyee rn ?

[marcistar]

strongest TR

why? (:

[marcistar]

And to be honest with you, 100% of the only reason I signed up for this game was to play with Marci so she would be more comfortable leaving the newbie queue. We even talked about that before we signed up. Of course I am then going to be friendly with her once we get here.

Here is a link to the post-game conversation about it after our last game together, if you want to see how we were talking to one another immediately before the start of this game to compare.
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I'm sorry bestie did i force u?

[marcistar]

Okay, if we are all going to start town reading Marci, can we talk about how weird it is that Norwee would push her here?

Like he has the added benefit of having seen her play, so there is no "she uses emojis, so I can't trust her" - which is 100% something people have scumread her for lol

I don't mind it, I see the reasons.

Yeah I’ve come round on Marci town, her tentativeness here reminded me of scum her, but I think it’s more because it’s her first non-newbie game

I don't like not_mafia ^.^ hes following with the general vibe too much/easily.

As a self diagnosis, the only thing I can think of is the buddying with Marci, but think that that has been pretty well explained - she is the reason I am in this game lol.

TBH, you're so focused on it that its starting to seem like an

excuse.

[marcistar]

N_M actually deciding to play is something i like about N_M.
I think generally speaking it's not scum indicative for him.

idk, is this playing? It just seems like hes going with the popular opinion

[marcistar]

i dont think lukewarms scum tbh

[marcistar]

oh hmm im not sure actually

[marcistar]

luke do u trust bingle?

[marcistar]

Not_Mafia seems way different then he has in any other game I have played in with him + post 250 makes no sense imo. You feel completely different this game then you did in the last.

I agree that not_mafia feels weird, but not exactly for the reasoning of him mentioning im weird based on my past behavior? Not_mafia and I have played a few games together where i've been town in those, so I felt like those comments are justified.. so that specifically wasn't what felt off about him.

Norwee on the other hand, it feels like maybe he tried to pocket me? Like go through his iso and search for every time he mentions me. Its agree with me, thank me, town read me, town read me harder, defend me from other people. Then I pointed out he did something suspicious, and suddenly I am his number 1 vote.

Can you please bring examples of this? When I was reading through him earlier, it didn't really feel like this to me.

I honestly don't know which of them is the scum, but if I suspect both of them, then I guess that means Bingle is probably town?

So its more like a process of elimination? I don't think it's good for that to be the reason why you trust someone... because like he could always be playing you like a violin.

So if you are claiming that I approached that game with more effort / reads / content, then you are lying. You're argument was made in bad faith. I think that it is CLEAR that I am doing more to work towards a win this game, then I was in that game.

TBH, im getting more confused on you luke but at least now im pretty sure hopkirks town!!

[marcistar]

Easiest way to see it would be to, control+f, looked for every time he said "luke". I did this at first to try and follow why he went from townreading me to listing me as his top scum read, and it stood out.

imma do this but if its that weird trick that closes the browser im unfriending

[marcistar]

Spoiler:

Precisely Lukewarm.

Thank you Lukewarm.

I feel like Lukewarm is town, but i’m also hesitant to townread because i don’t know how good they are as scum.

Lukewarm how good would you rank your own scum game?

Going through ISO's with GL conf!town, soul townread on Lukewarm, and Bingle putting paranoia on Hopkirk we're left with this in a Bingle!scum world.
Bingle -> {Dunnstral}{Marcistar}{Vanderscamp}
Most emphasis on Marcistar and Vanderscamp i think.

Oh yeah, Lukewarm got scumread for some reason by multiple people and i never understood the meaning behind it.

Like these are all the times he talked about me in a row

it doesnt really stand out imo it feels natural

[marcistar]

if his goal was to pocket you, i feel like 173 177 doesn't do that job imo. it feels like he's trying to solve you.

[marcistar]

You have no idea how hard it was for me not to take that pagetop.

Reminder, the last page has a bunch of game relevant content that you should read.

Whos this for..? everyone..?
the word "you" here is kinda lowkey confusing.

[marcistar]

I mean...'you' is Cakez, mostly.

The reminder is for everyone, because I don't want the content from the last page buried and forgotten.

do people here not read back? thats so sad

[marcistar]

Yeah. This is what the game looks like for everybody else:

smhsmh does everyone use mafiascum darkmode i like the lightmode alot more

A lot of people don't, especially with 1v1s. Particularly with more active games, but choking a thread to bury things that are inconvenient to your narrative is a pretty effective scum strategy.

thats stinky, they could be missing valuable stuff

[marcistar]

I feel like it's pretty likely that if lukewarm joined this game to encourage Marci to step out of the newbie queue (which I have no reason at all to doubt) then he's probably going to be buddying up with her as any combination of alignments.

Was going to say it didn't feel like a S/S interaction from them before I remembered that isn't possible anyway

.

I'm mulling over this comment on reread... I feel it's less likely town would forget who is in which pool and which interactions can or can't be S/S. I've had my fair share of poorly thought out comments/takes this game, but certainly the entire game I've been

constantly

paying attention to interactions cross-pool and keeping in mind potential scum candidates of each pool. I'm skeptical town!Vanders wouldn't really be aware that Marci/Luke can't be scum together 300+ posts into the game.

VOTE: Vanderscamp

is this the only point you have on him?

[marcistar]

(472) i have no idea how to read him, he's one of the people i'm unsure on rn so i'm willing to vote along with u VOTE: vanderscamp i like these points you made though, i didn't really think of it like that. that's whats making me comfortable to vote here

I'm pretty sure it's just Hopkirk/Norwee at this point, tbh, and I don't see my vote moving.

i don't really see it, i probably missed it but where is your last read on norwegianboyee? 403 i see you mentioning you see hopkirk with both, but i don't really see you do much to that..? like you responded to norwegianboyee, but it doesn't seem like you had a mind change in those posts..

[marcistar]

The read on Norwee is recent. I've been solidly pushing Hopkirk for a while now and the only real content Norwee has had has been to shade that push (and literally everyone willing to give it the time of day) and jump on every possible cw.

But Norwee jumps on to GL's wagon without engaging with my push because "WE NEED CONTENT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE READS!"

So why didn't you bring it up before..? Why did you wait until a vanderscamp wagon started? It does seem weird how norwegianboyee wanted content but wouldn't make it, but at the same time, the timing of you putting this read out is weird.. how recent is the read, just after his complaining about content thingy..?

I'll hammer Scamp if he hits E-1 on the premise we turbolim Hop then Norwee after.

If I have to lim you to get norwee/hopkirk, so be it.

I don't think eliming someone just so we can elim other people is a good idea it seems very easy to backfire tbh!!

Norwee seems really on board for almost any wagon in the 6p hood

Spoiler:

VOTE: Marcistar

VOTE: Lukewarm

VOTE: Vanderscamp

I’m extremely bad at reading Dunnstral. If you can explain how he thinks and plays as scum, and why he wouldn’t be bold like that, feel free to enlighten me.

that's true, but most of those votes hes done don't really feel like scummy votes imo.

519 520 feel a bit weird together
like it felt like you were trying to distract off of yourself, but maybe im just looking too deep into it.

521 i just like, dont agree with either.

I’m townreading all of Dunn/Marci/GL/Luke. People are aggressively ignoring how obvscum norwee and hopkirk are.

what reasons do you have for the dunnstral townread?
i don't think people are "aggressively ignoring" it... it seems like you really want it but deep down i don't agree with norwegianboyee and hopkirk being "obvscum". i think hopkirk seems townie

Bingle hasn't posted anything in hood or had a progression that makes sense for why he's so eternally convinced me and Hopkirk are scum either.
This is not an townie progression on slots, he's not trying to see a possible town motivation for either of us, just point out and make up what suits his scum narrative.

is he the best vote for today? i think i dont mind voting him but if hes scum im unsure who his partner would be.

[marcistar]

So to each of you, do you think Hopkirk and Bingle are TvT?

Do you think someone else would be a better Day 1 elim?

What makes you think they are scummier then hopkirk/Bingle?

If you are wrong, and it is a minelim, do you think it would give us more information then a flip on Hop or Bingle, and if so why?

No, i think its hopkirk town with a possibility of bingle being scum, tho im not 100% sure.

I don't have a better idea, but i don't wanna vote hopkirk so I kept my vote here.. I thought we were meant to be voting inside the 6p group?

[marcistar]

Who is your top scum read amongst everyone in the thread, regardless of their neighborhood?

i dont rlly have top notch reasons on anyone, but vanderscamp and bingle are the ones who i feel have the worst vibes rn

[marcistar]

marci vote Bingle with us

huh, would it be fine to?

[marcistar]

I say go for it. I don't really forsee anyone other then hopkirk or Bingle going though at this point, so if that is your scum read between the two of them

okay VOTE: bingle

[marcistar]

Bingle suggested trading Vanderscamp for a hopkirk vote. and you and marci both seemed okay with that. That trade seemed like it would have been way less productive. first, I think that there was a lesser chance for it to get a scum flip. Secondly, I feel like we would have entered day 2 with multiple people crying "but Bingle is scum" and we would not have actually gotten any closer to winning.

I don't think i agreed?

[marcistar]

how does Vanderscamp/notmafia sound to you Marci?

tbh, im not sure. not_mafia is too hard to read but vanderscamp was the vibes i was having before.

have they done anything together at all? my memories bad

[marcistar]

Marci, what are you thinking rn?

i was thinking vanderscamp but now im getting so so confused

[marcistar]

- Dunn is maybe in range of scumplay, but I think Bingle gave a real awkward townread on him early and I also stand by my thought that Dunn would have manipulated the game better on a D1 Bingle scumflip. He feels too detached and agenda-less to be trying to win a scumgame.

where do u think he gave an awkward townread on dunnstral? im confused because i dont see the awkward

thats the only one im confused about, but i dont like disagree but like i think hes a slight possibility

I get why I might be suspicious or a POE scum candidate from a neutral view of the game,

i dont rlly think ur sus cuz i think ur trying to actually help with only good intentions in ur mind

It's also important to note that Bingle didn't push on Vander in any substantive way other than threatening to hammer him if he got to E-1.

did bingle also not push on anyone else..? or was it only vanderscamp?

[marcistar]

777 "It just seems like you are making a big deal over him have a vote on marci for less then 12 hours." this is the reason for ur vote on guiltylions..? so like, if hes scum... why would he be doing this?
quite an obvious "big deal" surely would gain attention and then result in votes possibly, so what would a scum have to gain from it..? Putting their life out to say something like that..? I find it unlikely, its more likely they would be more cautious imo...

Spoiler:

though maybe i've just been biased cuz i've been townreading guiltylions.

(if hes scum) if he dies it would be gg..
i find how hes acting consistent with how hes been all game, it

doesn't

seem like hes trying to just push urgently to live another day, it seems more like after a scumflip he's gained more confidence in a read, which makes it seem a bit townie

but also, i have a genuine question for u;
day phase literally just started not that long ago, so

why did you felt the need to vote guiltylions..?

he already had 2 votes at that point (i think? thats what a votecount says..), and it says it takes 4 votes for a hammer... knowing not_mafias voting tendencies, the vote you made is very weird.... it seems like you were trying to get him hammered? you don't always need to vote someone you sus, you can just push without voting... would a townie really rush so quick into a vote like that, when its not 100% certain hes scum? a townie would doubt alot more, but you really don't seem to care..? it seems like ur kinda trying to stunt the conversations and make more options for miselims.

am i getting this wrong..?
this is just what im thinking rn, because the wagon on guiltylions kinda reeks imo, and this is the major flaw im finding in it

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another question i have is,

how confident are you in this vote?

Spoiler:

like list the percentage

[marcistar]

Maybe I am being quick on my vote, but like, we are in a 1:7 situation. We have a lot of leeway here.

are u usually quick on votes lukewarm?

we may have leeway rn, but if we do it all speedrun style that can backfire so quick on us

[marcistar]

Do you have a case against someone you are more suspicious of? Because I would love to see it.

not rlly anything new yet, but i dont want us to rush too quick.
im planning to read deeper either tmmrw or sunday

[marcistar]

Oh, Not_Mafia, our dear mod confirmed townie, why hast thou forsaken us?

Please return to the thread and offer us your guidance. Do so, and I swear I shall never again scum read you for being active in a game.

Spoiler:

but for real tho, who you thinking?

why are u so obsessed with him?

[marcistar]

maybe i shouldnt be townreading guiltylions
idk who would be the best to eliminate today, i thought dunnstral would pick it up more but hes not

[marcistar]

but this is just super lazy play if he is scum here. Do you all think he really just says he's "unsure" about Bingle (in my convo with him in the hood) and nothing more if he's buddies?

I do think in a vacuum, Dunn or Hopkirk would be most likely 6p scum with Bingle 3p scum by pool-spec, and I still think Hopkirk is locktown. But that's about the best point I would have for scum!Dunn, and I'm always gonna be more paranoid about the players that seem like they're explicitly trying to stay alive

im not really sure if dunnstrals scum but i want him to come carry or else ill keep worrying about him


848 im so confused.. do u think he would do that when hes done it before.. wouldnt that be too obvious?

VOTE: vanderscamp
i think this is the one ill feel bestest about but im not 100% confident sadly

[marcistar]

IMO the wishy-washyness I'm seeing from Marci right now feels like scum

VOTE: marcistar

am iactually wishy washy-

[marcistar]

Your last post

fair enough

VOTE: Dunn

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I think I would kill Marci before Luke now btw

I don't get any sense of her putting any effort into analysis

well this is prob true but what specifically gives this?
im not

just

sheeping or anything, im voting people im comfortable with voting (idk if this makes sense but; i think im sheeping, but im not just doing it nobrainingly)

idk if im right about voting you, it might be a bit too unfair. you make me frustrated alot vanderscamp (so i might actually be a bit blinded), i cant tell 100% if its intentional, but my heads telling me its probably not. maybe its just i dont like how you keep calling me awkward, im really just doing this all naturally and not forcing anything at all, maybe we're just completely different people who dont see the same way. but even after that, i still wouldn't change my vote, because i like guiltylions reasoning
ur hard to read and scary

Spoiler:

the vote on u, i feel best about (which is why ill stick to it) the reason why this game is so hard for me is because i can see what other people are doing and it doesnt look all that scummy imo.. cant say the same for u sadly

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i would probably have the very most biased opinion in this situation, but i just dont like ur suses rn.. like just standing back and looking at it and its but idk if what im seeing is dumb

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bros i cut my own hair imma cry

[marcistar]

I do weigh N_M's vote seriously

not_mafias reads on me are 100% serious and valid since hes seen me both as scum and as town

I still stand by day 1 Marci feeling real different from Day 1 Marci in the other game, but this does feel a bit like Marci after she lost her partner...

I really don't like that every single town and every single scum read she has wavered on.

And she does not appear to be solving. It kind of feels like she was not putting in the effort today because she wanted to slide through on all of the town reads she got day 1.

check my other town games, i just dont have motivation when im sused because its not fun usually its me getting tunnel sused when i do that tho.

Can you talk more about what parts of GL's reasoning you like?

when he was complaining about how nobody was talking about you, when he was

Spoiler:

he gave no good reasons or evidence to suggest he thought Marci was scummier than Bingle. He said she was "awkward", meanwhile brought up

actually good points

against Bingle

Spoiler:

I'm saying Vanderscamp is scum for giving great reasons to suspect Bingle, giving comparatively weak/awful ones to suspect Marci,

claiming he has a TR on nEE

, and then voting Marci in the 6p instead of Bingle in the 3p. His stated reasoning did not align with his vote, and he cannot use any sort of justification about "we were limming in the 6p" as a defense since he said he was pro-limming in the 3p. He also then made no real effort to push Bingle from his vote in the 250s or wherever until several days later IRL once Hopkirk/nEE/N_M were both more solidified on Bingle

bringing up points about how you sused me and bingle both, but had weaker reasons on me that kinda stuck in my mind alot.
and when he brought up the fact you voted bingle early on, but went afk after that. (cant find it exactly, since im in class rn.. but im pretty sure it was him who said it).

I'm starting to feel pretty good about a Marci elim.

i think it'll be good as well,
even tho i know im town... if all the townies are so so confused about me, it would be better if im gone so that yall can focus better!

[marcistar]

My issue, is that you have been giving this vibe since the very start of Day 2, but you were not being sussed until like the last 24 hours

from before then

[marcistar]

If she's town, that's pretty insightful analysis prior to any flips when she wouldn't be certain of either Bingle/Lukewarm's alignment.

i just assumed that the way luke was about bingle was weird in a way

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also the neighborhoods alot less scary

I also don't see any indications of why she was suspecting Bingle in the first place, it couldn't be due to any direct questioning and she hadn't shared any reasons given the point above ^.

wait im dumb where did i start susing him? i can walk u thru my process

it's clear she was already prepared to vote there:

is he the best vote for today? i think i dont mind voting him but if hes scum im unsure who his partner would be.

while still giving herself an out.

1.) the vibes were just there
2.) should i not be worried about who his partner would be..? there was a couple votes on him already, and i wouldnt want to end phase too early without being able to wring more out of him i dont have good reads this game so i wanted to get as much out of him as we could

had already been covered via Vanders' multiple posts about it, it was a pretty specific reason that Vander had given for voting Bingle, so with hindsight/more care paid to this question I find it odd she hadn't looked in Bingle's ISO to see if he had explained it already herself. Or that she hadn't paid attention to Vander calling it out.

awfully bold of u to assume ill backread that far when im just in the moment asking whatever comes to my mind based on recent posts

Still hesitant to actually vote Bingle, and still trying to shift towards voting elsewhere. She then caves and votes him 3 hours later, again not inherently scum-indicative in and of itself but I can also imagine this as an attempt at distancing given the Bingle elim was likely going through by this point.

i did have hesitance in voting bingle, but if i truly wanted to stay off of him i couldve just easily made up something about forgetting to switch off of the vote i had at that point.
why would i have waited until someone asked me to do it?

[marcistar]

I think marci's pivot from "my elimination will be good for the game" to arguing with me about voting her is survivalist

it is survivalist because i dont wanna be mean

[marcistar]

hold up! ^.^

[marcistar]

luke shush lemme atleast post my post im typing rn before getting hammered

idk if its complete yet tho but im trying!!

its not 10 post long case, but its some things i find interesting, though it probably isnt much!! but i want to at least throw it to yall

[marcistar]

Who do you think could be scum, you have good reads so please share if you're town

i dont think my reads are anything special ever not really the most confident in my reads rn, this games too hard ;-;

i think

dunnstrals

more likely to be town than not. yeah hes inactive, but nothing hes done is really eyebrow raising. so i wouldn't really look at him.

vanderscamp,

is obviously who i think is really scummy as of right now.. but, i cant tell if it'll flip as well as i've been praying he would. as the games progressed, i've gotten more of a feel for him, so the gap between him and guiltylions isnt really that big in my opinion. my read on him is mostly just, the vibes that everyone else is town, and i like guiltylions reasoning.

but what made me pause today-phase, and think quite a bit is;
at a certain point everyone believed it was vanderscamp/dunnstral (from what i understand) at that point, it felt quite a bit easy, didn't it..? in pov it did at least, thats what really caused me to be confused.
even though i

think

guiltylions

is town, its quite easy for me to doubt him right now.. if vanderscamp is town, i think guiltylions would be most possible when i first started getting this feeling, was when i was reading bingles posts (its dumb, but what stuck out was his lack of mentioning guiltylions (tho that could easily be explained by guiltylions being mostly absent, is still was quite interesting to think of and just something i wanted to take note of ) i believe, i thought this originally around the time i was a bit flip floping around).
whats more weighing on my mind than the above tho, is actually his positioning rn. i dont expect yall to see it since yall dont know my alignment yet but like hes not confident in me being scum at all,

I'm tired and don't have time to lay out the explanation of things in marci's ISO I didn't like on reread but I can post that tomorrow.

meh I just went through marci's ISO again and I feel like it's not really fundamentally scummy other than

(this follow through, a bit weird for one.)

I'm having a hard time truly finding this scummy because my attitude towards EOD1 was much the same, which is also kinda why I had her just shelved as a townread. But it's not inherently townie either because whoever is scum with Bingle would want to start disassociating by this point, so I think it's mistake to rule out potential buddy behavior on that front.

(bit over the place)

I'm in no way against hammering her here,

didn't originally think about the brackets there, but as i read it a few more times it feels relevantish. these posts, just like... the wording and aura of not really being confident. such an easy thing to use if your defense once theres a townie flip if everyone looks at you next. easily, he could be just trying to get the most miselims as possible, while not being quite too obvious is what im thinking from those posts.
(last second thoughts before sending this out; being not confident in something isnt really scummy.. but the way hes doing it, seems like that we arent seeing the whole story.)
i know at least for me, i either wanna vote people im confident in, or a vote which will help the game more... quite curious to see what he would do after my flip.. go for another easy elim? looks like most people think that if its not me they dont know what to do, wonder if its the same for him

wow.. but whats making me confused now is that
my case for vanderscamp is just too weak compared to this i feel. (vanderscamp = guiltylions > lukewarm is my solve. the vanderscamp = guiltylions, slightly theres a difference between them in my brain, but not too much. lukewarms just the ranking of the vibes list )
i could easily be wrong, but my main vibes say that it feels a bit too easy earlier before i was getting hella sused.
i wouldn't be surprised if ive been wrongly reading guiltylions is what im trying to say ahah

my urges after typing this say unvote, but idk which ones bigger priority.

Spoiler:

i think this is fine enough to send out, i dont think ill have more time to explain deeper, but this is pretty much it.

[marcistar]

@Marci

Vote Hopkirk

im not gonna vote something im not confident in

He has been consistently and repeatedly telling us that he is going to to get back to us at a later date, and then we have all been waiting on him.

And again, he has been much more active on site... just not this game

where i play usually with meuh, people hate on anyone for pushing someone based on their online status / if they've posted recently. there could be many reasons on why hes doing it, not always scummy intentions.
i dont really think hes scum, the way hes been replying doesnt feel like it to me.

I think that this post was designed to ensure that his push on Hopkirk never went through

(thinking emoji here)
i like ur points sis, but i dont agree with a hopkirk sus

VOTE: Dunn

?

[marcistar]

It was a fake push designed to fail, so that everyone would townbin hopkirk (which everyone did).

thats not why i've been townreading hopkirk but alright

I think that one of us absolutely needs to go. Me and you both making it to Elo sounds like a nightmare for town tbh.

i think u rlly need to like... do sumn else for a bit and come back with a fresher pair of eyes.
if ur both town this will lead to failure probs.

marci, Dunn is pushing to eliminate you today and has been low engagement/content compared to most other slots in the game. I'm having a hard time understanding why town in your shoes would think he's not worth looking at?

i dont mind if he wants to elim me, i think itll be good for town no matter what i flip
i think hes townie because like, he gives vibes like other inactive styles ive seen before.
when hes been here tho, he doesnt really seem like he has much of a motive.. nothing hes posted really feels off. if he was scum, i think he wouldn't be letting himself have such a game like hes had so far.
inactives are usually the easiest to push from what i know, which makes a dunnstral bandwagon seem a bit ykyk?

VOTE: Dunnstral

is jumping from popular bandwagon to popular bandwagon something intentional..?

[marcistar]

This is a pretty bad post especially if Dunn flips town, I'm tempted to lock-scum you for it. Absolutely no point to this except to shade me and try to set up to scumread me.

don't mind if this happens,
tho i really didnt mean to shade u im sorry if ur mad i dont want anyone to be mad but maybe i worded it weirdly.
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im gonna sleep but like, ill try to explain better tmmrw but pls dont hate me ill feel bad if it made u feel mad

[marcistar]

bro

[marcistar]

?

whats ur tierlist bestie

[marcistar]

bro

What made you open up the thread with this?

it felt weird that i got in before anyone else

im so confused on whos scum tbh! r u sure ur not it bestie?

[marcistar]

Marci, if you had to decide the vote today, who would you eliminate?

imma be honest with u chief,
vanderscamp/u is it imo..

so i would prob do vanderscamp today and then u tmmrw if hes not it.. because u make me confused so save u for later.
but also... theres a doubt in the back of my mind about my bestie lukewarm still, but like we'll see i think.

[marcistar]

i think dunnstrals more likely to be town than not. yeah hes inactive, but nothing hes done is really eyebrow raising. so i wouldn't really look at him.

this still remains a really weird read

what can i do when my vibes say it isnt him i didnt want him elimed ;-;

like the failure state for town!marci has to be that she gets eliminated and the wrong one in Vanders/GL gets eliminated, right? I don't think either scum!GL or scum!Vanders have put themselves in a position to capitalize on Lukewarm-Hop TvT

hes gonna tunnel on him and i dont want that

[marcistar]

it's kind of weird to be both confused that you're townreading too many people + townreading neutralish Dunn who I'd expect to be in the POE there). i should probably have another looked through her posts

i keep second guessing my assessments.. should i not be? im so unsure if im right about everything i think
dunnstral just seemed townie bro

Since I do think you are towny I'm more happy with a "vote Marci and then evaluate" plan than just wanting to kill you both in either order, I'd be pretty unhappy with killing you today even if I somehow knew I wouldn't get killed tomorrow because Marci is someone who I don't feel super good about being scum, but she's just given me really no reason to actually read anything she's done this game as towny so it's going to be pretty hard to not kill her in a final three.

yall shouldve voted me > dunnstral yesterday i cause too much confusion

[marcistar]

I think Marci is scummy because it's D3 and this is basically the only reason I have for reading her as town.
I think a lot of her reads don't have any obvious thought progression behind them, even though I really disagree with what GL was saying regarding me I could at least understand afterwards how he came to those conclusions, with Marci I don't see any reasoning that is obviously coming from a town mindset

im sorry i dont have good reads this game

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just elim me guys if ur so sure that ull be voting in the right direction the next phase everyone keeps coming back to susing me, so im bad for town, so we should do this so that everyone gets a clearer mind!!!

[marcistar]

if we had voted you > Dunn, assuming you are town, that would still put us in F3. How would that be better than eliminating you today?

becauses im confusing u guys way more

Marci was pretty widely TR d1 and I can see Bingle thinking she can carry it from there + she's the only partner who couldn't consider switching to voting me. I can absolutely see a plan where Marci/Bingle d1 plan to compromise pivot onto Vanders towards the end of day, followed by continued pushing of me vs Bingle the next day. Marci being the good cop on the hop wagon opposed to Bingle's bad cop push of it is also positioning that makes sense compared to a partner just sitting back. I can see Marci/Bingle having Marci against the Hop push so that if Bingle forces it through d1 then a Bingle flip the next day wouldn't implicate her. I can see Bingle realizing I was going to vote him + Notmafia/Norway/Vanders were and being worried that someone else could switch before Marci did and wanted to cover the base with the hammer. TR then flying under the radar d2 makes sense as well post flip especially with a GL vs Vanders 1v1.

I'm struggling to see Bingle's plan otherwise, especially one that he'd be willing to self vote for there, and I'm struggling to see anything that jumps out as a reason not to vote Marci like i do for a lot of people

fair enough but obviously if this was the plan then its doing very bad since ive kinda been sused alot last day phase!!
i wont try talking you out of this if this is what you truly believe, theres some "why would i do x if i was scum" that i could bring up, but thats pretty meaningless. i've barely done much this game, so i do deserve to be the elim : D tho i know im town, i know im only bad to be kept around : - ( i hope everyone will be very confident in where they wanna look next day phase tho : )

Spoiler:

VOTE: not_mafia

I have lukewarm leaning scum and Norwegian leaning town.

Oh and "not really townie" is a fancy shorthand way of saying that literally nothing you’ve said is something i think you couldn’t say as scum.

oh smhsmh u shouldve just said that.
lmk if u want me to vote myself

tbh im just waiting for juicier gossip

VOTE: marcistar

This is very awkward

VOTE: bingle

VOTE: guiltylion

You said last time you had to concede some of the points you were making that I responded to, which points were you actually conceding?
Because this is basically all stuff I've already responded to.
I can sort of believe that you can have trouble with my thing about the s/s thing since I may have phrased it pretty badly, but I don't believe that you can be reading my posts and then making the argument that me voting Marci is scummy in good faith, especially since you asked me the relevant question of who I scumread more between Marci and bingle.

@Vanders - can you towncase luke since i think you had him as your 2nd strongest TR

Yeah, I think his eod reactions around bingle were very towny.
I think his response to the extended accusation against him seemed pretty genuine too.

I think you and lukewarm both had much better interactions with Bingle than GL and Marci, who imo really have very little going for them regarding their in thread interactions with bingle, so I'd kill them both and feel pretty happy about it.

My biggest reason to not kill those two would be if I decided that GL was too towny, I do think he has seemed pretty towny once I took a step back from just looking at him push on me nonstop because he's putting in a lot more effort than I think would be necessary as scum on someone who I don't think is the most obvious push for him either. I could still be overestimating how good I look from pushing bingle but I think he could have easily just gone against Dunn instead.

I want to kill VOTE: marci because I think she has not been towny pretty much at any point this entire game, apart from her vote on bingle which did not come with a ton of associated pressure, and the logic about the pool setups on bingle's behalf, I don't have any reasons to think she's town and I don't think there's any way I would not use one of our two kills on her.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bingle

Also i will be referencing this game a lot since it's like almost the same playerlist too. So please commit it to memory if you already haven't.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=86273

I've read through a bit of this game and I better see the arguments now for limming in the 6 pool, thanks for linking it

VOTE: Lukewarm

VOTE: Vanderscamp

I see you were online after the game started, come play

Still trying to get a better feel on Vander and Hop before I try any kind of push on Dunn.

Why do you need to have a better read on other players before pushing your scumread? I find that generally anti-town, town should always be making pushes and generating pressure

And what actions have you been taking to get a better feel of them?

VOTE: Lukewarm

I feel like it's pretty likely that if lukewarm joined this game to encourage Marci to step out of the newbie queue (which I have no reason at all to doubt) then he's probably going to be buddying up with her as any combination of alignments.

Was going to say it didn't feel like a S/S interaction from them before I remembered that isn't possible anyway

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I'm mulling over this comment on reread... I feel it's less likely town would forget who is in which pool and which interactions can or can't be S/S. I've had my fair share of poorly thought out comments/takes this game, but certainly the entire game I've been

constantly

paying attention to interactions cross-pool and keeping in mind potential scum candidates of each pool. I'm skeptical town!Vanders wouldn't really be aware that Marci/Luke can't be scum together 300+ posts into the game.

VOTE: Vanderscamp

VOTE: Vanderscamp

pagetop vote for justice
remember to turn back to previous page to read my case

yeah 893 is also a great point

UNVOTE:

I'm tired and don't have time to lay out the explanation of things in marci's ISO I didn't like on reread but I can post that tomorrow. Want to get Hopkirk thoughts but I'm starting to feel pretty good about a Marci elim. I changed my own mind with the reasoning I posted earlier today about the number of townies who would have to be wrong at this stage for Vander to be scum

931 does feel pretty town overall though, I think

VOTE: Dunnstral

[marcistar]

you haven't exactly been a model of certainty yourself

yes ik i wish i was more confident

[marcistar]

I thought that she was saying that she is the LHF that scum would want to keep around to 3 man elo to win with a push on her.

what does this mean im confused whats a LHF?

[marcistar]

I think her point is she does not know who it is and a lot of people are suspicious of her, so she is probably a bad person to take into 3 man elo.

well then my point is
i know im town, but i know everyone doubts me too much. i doubt i would be anymore convincing to anyone next day phase no matter how hard i try, so i think its best to elim me. (like i think if im not elimed here ill 100% be the next elim ) tho i feel bad so i want us all have more time to think before (so that it isnt super super hard?) (:

[marcistar]

I'm convinced marci is the best elimination today and most likely scum.

im not scum but okay!!!! lets do whats best for town!!

I'd be interested to hear why you wouldn't have played this way as scum

I love this stuff

because its not what i would do as scum. the biggest reason is that i would've tried a bit more to change my play from last game, because last game i ultimately lost it for my team theres other reasons as well, but idk how to word them exactly

[marcistar]

are you saying you played similar to your last scum game then? why would you do that as town?

i think its pretty similar, tho it wasnt intentional.. if the shoe fits the shoe fits yknow?

Why do you think you've played the same as last game?
Because that wasn't really the impression I was getting from people from that game

the biggest similarity i think is that i dont have good reads that im confident in

[marcistar]

alright well everyone has given words since I gave intent and I still believe this is right

VOTE: marcistar

fingers crosseddd

bestie it isnt right

[marcistar]

welp

that's not good

[marcistar]

lukewarm bestie can u make sure to not tunnel if u live SMSKSSMSK

think deeply about guiltylions as well i thinks

[marcistar]

im sorry i feel like this is my fault

[marcistar]

My biggest regret is D3 and eliminating marci, I should never have let go of my townread there

im sorry, is my fault, i shouldve played better