Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[osuka]

i can also put on my techno yodeling track on the home theater system, that can work too

yes i am the moderator and i am posting non seriously

impersonating the moderator!!

VOTE: Cook

(I love this so much though)

You fool I am the moderator

VOTE: cook

[osuka]

whats up who wants to cuddle and eat fruit?

sorry i only eat crab dip and fries

VOTE: osuka

because i'm not over it yet

what, youre not over how soft and comfy my pocket is?

[osuka]

anya i need you to be honest with me

are you scum?

[osuka]

@all should i go to mcdonalds

[osuka]

anyway it says any PT will have daytalk which is an interesting way of putting it

it means wolves could just have no PT and therefore no talk at all and no daytalk

i think cook would just say wolves have daytalk if it were that simple

this is a dumb post

stop posting dumb posts anya, youre better than this

[osuka]

Spoiler: anya don't look

Nobody even very expects really good or nooby noob awesomenes going into very extreme yeetlo or untown posts

i think you just gave me a stroke

[osuka]

anya has said some weird shit like, a couple times now

in the one other game i played with her she wasn't so wanton with her accusations and theory crafting right out the gate. she was scum that game. it's early, but i wonder if this might indicate that she feels she has less to lose this game.

68 is a little weird because it kind of implies that even after a year on the site, anya doesn't know there's a standard list of normal roles, but it doesn't feel

that

out of character for her. for the record, the day modifier

is

considered normal on MS, provided the role that it applies to is also considered normal.

52, on the other hand, is just bad. anya is a competent and capable scum player and should be treated as such. i am wary of attempts to disarm like this.

52 is a joke and so is this post

[osuka]

everyone else's post history seems boring by comparison, the only solid thing I think I can put forth is that imo dunn and anya aren't scum partners

oh im glad you already have half of a solve by the fourth page

[osuka]

choof is being actively trolled and is completely oblivious to it

this is pretty funny

[osuka]

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

Why does this feel like rolefishing. like, the game has just begun...

???????????????????

[osuka]

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

would you like to elaborate or do you not care enough to do anything other than post bitter one liners

I'm happy with the bitter one-liners.

(Actually I don't think Anya's setup speculation was serious but anyone discussing ideas like "maybe there's no scum PT" as if they were serious doesn't know how normals work)

I disagree with 102, btw, Anya's activity and throwing around ridiculous accusations is exactly what I expect from town!Anya in early game (to be fair I have exactly one datum backing this up). And taking 61 seriously is just absurd.

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

welcome to the townbloc, thanks for using your brain

[osuka]

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

To be fair, a handful of us just came from a crazy normal game lol, Anya was 1 of 3 mafia doctors in that game, and the entire ending of that game was full of wild theories, and it was a normal game

I'm sorry I missed this one, I love abnormal normals.

it was funny as shit, pooky got super tilted and started raging post game when he found out the setup

[osuka]

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

I was going to ask if this was on the basis of just 95 and 98 since they were the only gamestate-advancing posts I could see by them but looking back on the thread I guess you're right that that still puts them above average.

I actually disagree with Egix in 108, Lemons' post seems like actually trying to understand and read Anya whereas Choof was just poking at me for something they would have understood already if they read the thread (and did understand a few posts later in 102)

Anya wagon is bad, I offer an alternative:

VOTE: choof

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

umlaut obvtowning

i largely agree and ill sheep this for now
VOTE: choof

[osuka]

I disagree with 102, btw, Anya's activity and throwing around ridiculous accusations is exactly what I expect from town!Anya in early game (to be fair I have exactly one datum backing this up).

haven't played with either of you so this may be moot atm, but we also have like a billion hours left in the day for her to spew town

And taking 61 seriously is just absurd.

I'd agree more if 47 didn't exist

Please do not ask people to confirm VT claims... and if people are VT please don't claim VT. thanks.

rhetorical question

Tbh I don't have anything too solid read wise yet from yall I laughed at the "do you say anything but bitter one liners" and yeah. top complaint is, don't out roles. I do not care if that VT claim was serious or not, do not confirm if you were serious... tbh yall have way too much role talk, I'd love to steer away from that if possible

perhaps this is because I don't mentally consider vanilla town to be a role in the same way that a roleblocker etc are considered roles

choof is being actively trolled and is completely oblivious to it

this is pretty funny

[osuka]

like yeah if the gamestate is stagnant 2 hours from deadline D2 scum probably aren't gonna try and get the ball rolling but there is zero risk straight out of RVS

lmao what? it's d1

that's exactly his point???

[osuka]

Ivy feels too scared to voice reads, thinks the generic lines are enough to get by...

oh look! here's a generic line!

[osuka]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

[osuka]

if we wanna talk about ppl with 0 interactions let's see if T3 has anything else
VOTE: T3

for some reason i can't put my finger on, this feels vaguely familiar

[osuka]

oh no wait i remember now HE DIDN'T DO SHIT LAST GAME EITHER

Spoiler:

am i bored? yes

am i sick and tired of this shit? absolutely

am i gonna pull out my python hat to explain why? you betcha

let's look at some beautiful graphs. here you can see the post count by player, and you'll notice T3 hasn't done fucking anything:

source: the post counts

an interesting insight. i decided to pursue this line of investigation further, and i came up with the following:

source: the post counts

it seems like t3 replaced into a slot that hadn't done fucking anything, either! this seems like an outlier in this game, so it warrants a bit of research. let's look at the following:

source: t3's iso

it looks like that slot somehow managed to only make shit posts so far! those are not to be confused with shitposts, which are not shit. let's contrast this with my own posts:

source: my iso

i will leave figuring out which one of my posts is shit as an exercise to the reader.

let us look at some related data:

source: yo mama hahaha

in this graph, notice that the line is also shit-colored. this is not by coincidence.

the astute among you may realize that, then, there may be a correlation between the quality of the thread and the aforementioned data points. that would be correct - let us look at a graph of post quality over time:

source: my ass

conclusion:
T3 is a slot that has somehow avoided adding anything of value whatsoever to this game and, as a result, is pissing me off. whether or not t3 actually wants to play this game or is just fucking with us is unclear; further research is warranted.

[osuka]

i dayvig osuka

cute

[osuka]

so you're saying you're completely incapable of parsing a run-on sentence?

[osuka]

oh, dear

[osuka]

if you nerds thought i had the previous record for getting someone tilted in a game, there you go

i just smashed it

[osuka]

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I thought the point Andante was trying to make was that Ivyeo was making posts that, even if made with the intention of being helpful, did not really do much to advance the game.

if your push needs to use that post to make that point, your push is a sad push and you need to look within yourself to figure out what the fuck went so wrong

[osuka]

sheesh i can already tell this is going to be a nugget of a game

[osuka]

i do want to point out that i haven't even actually been an ass yet. that said, isn't that an easy conclusion to make from this sequence of events?

what do you not understand?

its a run on[/quote]

[osuka]

oof i fucked the quote up. pedit:

what do you not understand?

its a run on

[osuka]

"What do you not understand" can atleast lead to more understanding

yes it can

what's your point?

[osuka]

"What do you not understand" can atleast lead to more understanding

yes it can

what's your point?

That wha you said didn't and was unhelpful

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you're just really confused

you do realize it wasn't bugspray that asked that question right

[osuka]

"What do you not understand" can atleast lead to more understanding

yes it can

what's your point?

That wha you said didn't and was unhelpful

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you're just really confused

you do realize it wasn't bugspray that asked that question right

hey, please don't gaslight people under any conditions ever. it's not okay

i agree with not gaslighting people but thanks for the laugh

[osuka]

...no
let me reread that interaction t.t

even thought I didn't ask the question I still responded to it in a constructive way

constructive maybe, but game advancing? hardly

[osuka]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I didn't feel like it was a genuine question. like, the posts look like "busywork" and I literally still stand by it. Ivy hasn't gotten better since I initially called them out, and all yall are just completely ignoring Ivy...

that's such a stretch that honestly i would be scumreading anyone for doing that but the shit ive seen from you, as town, makes me doubt that thought

[osuka]

if you nerds thought i had the previous record for getting someone tilted in a game, there you go

i just smashed it

You've done so much more in the past to tilt people... this barely scratched the surface...

oh yeah i know that's what i'm saying

[osuka]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

oh fuck this is gonna be a repeat of last game isn't it

[osuka]

vibe check:
Anya - scum read x2
bugspray - town read
T3 -
Andante - scum read
geraintm -
Ivyeo -
Egix96 -
osuka - scum read
choof -
Dunnstral - town read
InsidiousLemons -
Umlaut - town read

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now, I don't think there's enough information to go divide the town into two wagons, but I also want everyone to use their votes and see where the game state leads. I'm also trying to be more familiar with everybody right now. Anya feels like scum trying to look like town, while also the player who looks like they're playing a scum wincon the most. I got this vibe from bringing up town roles so early in a very fishy way "for reaction", and how she's been using RVS information so far.

Ask me anything.

rip. I'm scum read by our new friend... CHOOF I WAS LIKING YOU!!!! WHYYYYYYY

Easy. I'm catching up, then I wanna figure out where I stand with Ivy, and I'll try looking at Anya, I'll probably be 0 help on an Anya read, she was lock town as scum for me :/

lamist?

[osuka]

this discussion of whether or not ivy's confidence in her reads is stupid

none of that is alignment indicative

[osuka]

i think hem can be town for now

[osuka]

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

[osuka]

first of all you safari using savages need to just download firefox and live a better life

second of all VOTE: andante

[osuka]

and third of all people constantly try to meta read me and never get it right. i can't think of a single player that read me correctly based on meta on the second game we played together, where i had different a different alignment the first and second games. it's only at the third that they start to realize they cant do that

remember andres in the last game? he never even looked my way because the first game we played together i rolled town. self meta is useless, i realize, but if that's what you're going off of it's not gonna work

[osuka]

that all said, how aggressive i am mostly depends on how annoyed i am, and how annoyed i am mostly depends on how much stupid shit other people are saying

there hasn't been a huge reason for me to get tilted this game yet, but i'm sure there will so just give it time

[osuka]

hi folks i'm so sorry, life happened

@mod: vla for ~24 hours from this post

[osuka]

ill do my best to do a proper catch up tomorrow and stuff, but worst case scenario i'll be here on monday

[osuka]

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

can you explain lemons hardcore townposting, conftown?
can you also explain why I'm townish?

about lemons, page 14 is when it really started to become obvious to me. solid reasoning, apparently natural thought process, the whole thing

you i can't quite put a finger on, but it's clear that you're playing at least somewhat comfortably and not trying too hard to put on an act (see 335 for an example). it could very well be stylistic and i havent played with you before that i recall, so that's really just a vague feeling at the moment

[osuka]

i mean honestly i'm reading page 16 and yeah lemons is pissed but so am i. @hem keep in mind we just finished a game with t3 in which he did fucking nothing over the course of weeks and ended up being a policy lynch, it's ridiculous how little effort he puts in

[osuka]

With 12 players, how many are the mafia? 3?

barring the nrg actively trying to fuck with everyone in this plist, yes

[osuka]

can you point to anything in anya's gameplay that makes her scum? are you still happy with your vote on ivy?

i know this isnt directed at me but anya is playing this game exactly like she did last game, but as someone that actively tries to play every game as similarly as possible to the last, i can't say that means a whole lot

[osuka]

412 took a lot of effort but clearly not a lot of brains

half the quoted anya posts are literal jokes and the other half doesn't even sound that strange to me. if you're gonna convince anyone that anya is scum, that's really not the way to do it because that whole post is a stretch

[osuka]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

I'm not sure how to reply .
I am not sure how on earth I could not be scummy in your eyes.
I am behaving like I have done previously as town, therefore I am scum faking jt.
If I wasn't behaving like I have done previously as town, would I get called out then too?

so you're concerned about not looking scummy? strange way to phrase that

[osuka]

a disgusting porportion of osuka's posting is literally just being an unwiped asshole to other players. these types of non constructive posts should

never

be made by intelligent town players who are playing to their win condition. osuka is clearly not an idiot and therefore the only rational explanation is that the slot is scum.

^ Welcome to the joys of osuka! If you think this game is bad, should've seen the last one...

oh don't you worry, i'm just getting warmed up

[osuka]

426 is really basic. like pH > 14 basic

[osuka]

i can't express how fluffy that post is.

imagine you take a chicken breast, some distilled water, and you boiled the chicken breast with no seasoning whatsoever. it's cooked, it's edible, and it's certainly not going to kill you, but it's the blandest shit you've ever eaten in your life

426 is a boiled chicken breast

[osuka]

i will also likely not be around for the next ~24 hours. super important audition today. wish me luck!

good luck

[osuka]

osuka, can you please read #390 to #406 again and please tell me what you think about Lemons' apparently natural thought process

i agree with everything he said from 390-395, but your 397 is a very good point and i honestly think that page 16 might just be tvt

then again, 406 is a perfectly appropriate justification for your question. i don't see anything wrong from lemons in either page

[osuka]

Andante
Hemslot
Lemons
Umlaut?
Osuka??
For town. If you're town and wanna be on this list then you've just gotta keep on trucking.

why are there two question marks attached to my name

[osuka]

what about it makes you think tvt, other than the assumption that lemons is town for "townposting" (read: IIOA)

i said i think it MIGHT be tvt and i'm betting that if it's not, you're scum

i'm not going to repeat myself so please fucking read five posts above where i explained, a fucking half hour ago, in a post directed at you, why i think lemons is town

[osuka]

Andante
Hemslot
Lemons
Umlaut?
Osuka??
For town. If you're town and wanna be on this list then you've just gotta keep on trucking.

why are there two question marks attached to my name

See 324

why is it a super weak lean

[osuka]

huh? if it's not tvt, i'm scum? what's the logic in that?

Lemons hate T3 for the sins he had in a past game that gerain is doing even worse. if Lemons is the type to pressure someone for low info, and gerain is a scumread of his, how come i'm his preference? there's nothing consistent about that at all.

i can't tell if your brain is actually just on fire or if you're just like this normally

let's do some logic here yes
if it's not tvt, then that means that:
NOT (you town AND lemons town)
is true. knowing that not town = scum:
you scum OR lemons scum

which is true if you're scum, if lemons is scum, or if both of you are scum. i said that if it's not tvt, you're overwhelmingly likely to be the scum instead of lemons

do you comprehend or do i have to whip out good old ms paint?

[osuka]

you're trying way too hard for a reason i cannot discern right now

i largely agree with lemons but as i said i'm not entirely convinced you're scum just yet

[osuka]

you're overwhelmingly likely to be the scum instead of lemons

this is one. this one I disagree with.

this is a completely pointless post

what the fuck is that supposed to accomplish? i don't care if you waste your keystrokes, just don't waste my time

[osuka]

it's still completely pointless. i'm not going to "chill out" if you keep posting that sort of shit

if you're town, you'll say that because it's true and because you're playing wincon. if you're scum, you'll say that even though it's false because you're playing wincon. now we're at the same place where we started but you have an extra post, i have fewer brain cells, and now the discussion we were actually having is completely derailed because you wanted to _really highlight_ that you disagreed with my read on you

[osuka]

nice deflection though

[osuka]

alright so what's your case on gerain

[osuka]

it's still completely pointless. i'm not going to "chill out" if you keep posting that sort of shit

if you're town, you'll say that because it's true and because you're playing wincon. if you're scum, you'll say that even though it's false because you're playing wincon. now we're at the same place where we started but you have an extra post, i have fewer brain cells, and now the discussion we were actually having is completely derailed because you wanted to _really highlight_ that you disagreed with my read on you

if you were paying attention, I wanted to really highlight that Lemons is a sketchy dude. If you instead focused on that and chilled the fuck out, you would have understood this whole conversation instead of being unnecessary tilted

i'm not tilted, i'm annoyed

if you want to highlight that lemons is sketchy, which i have made clear i thoroughly disagree, how about you provide some evidence? you have yet to show anything remotely convincing

[osuka]

the dude's not in the business of finding out who scum is, and all about trying to not look like scum. also, I don't think he's ever done something about his vote on me? has he verbalized his reason on voting for me? nah dude, this guy's parking.

to clarify, this is gerain.

i didnt think it was possible for you to make any less sense but evidently, i was mistaken

is this the saddest attempt at deflecting i've ever seen, or should i call an ambulance and let them know you're having a stroke?

[osuka]

Lemons hate T3 for the sins he had in a past game that gerain is doing even worse. if Lemons is the type to pressure someone for low info, and gerain is a scumread of his, how come i'm his preference? there's nothing consistent about that at all.

Evidence:
1. T3's ISO, which has been very engaged in the game, compared to gerain's ISO, which has been self-absorbed and completely disconnected from the game.
2. Lemons' scumlist, which includes gerain and me, but who didn't vote gerain. (despite the pressure that gerain has from people like Ivyeo, Andante, and Dunnstral — making him a very viable wagon).

Lemons has never interacted with gerain or did something about his suspicion that gerain is scum other than say that he's playing mafia terribly. playing mafia terribly is not a scumtell.

Evidence:
1. Lemons' ISO, whose only mention of gerain is a comment on how terrible he plays.

In fact, Lemons gave me "townpoints" and he had choof as "looking more town". Although he gave my other posts "scumpoints" check what his reasons are for me being scum. There's nothing consistent about this dude.

Evidence
1. Lemons' choofslot progression: #140 → #244 → #342 → #347 (after Umaluts' #346) → and now #395 → #406. This is not natural progression.

this is a joke, right? a bad joke? you're just fucking with me? please tell me you're just trying to make me angry

t3 is "very engaged"? He's nowhere near anything i can say even remotely resembles, in the slightest, anything approaching engaged. lemons scumlist includes gerain and you, and it's okay for him to not vote gerain - but not ok to vote you? what the fuck even is the difference? that one is viable? if anything, in a universe where lemons is scum, why on earth would he shift from pushing gerain to you, if gerain is looking like an easier mislynch? what the fuck?

[osuka]

insult and acting tough aren't substitute for substance, osuka

i can't insult you any more than your play has this far

[osuka]

you're saying gerain voteparked you - t3 isn't doing fucking anything either. why is t3 "very engaged" but gerain is okay?

[osuka]

if anything, in a universe where lemons is scum, why on earth would he shift from pushing gerain to you, if gerain is looking like an easier mislynch? what the fuck?

who's got a wagon when he voted, osuka?

i'm not saying gerain is an easier wagon, _you_ said that. are you trying to confuse me?

[osuka]

doing a bang up job so far

[osuka]

being open with reads means fuck all. his posts are shallow and you and i have both written an order of magnitude more words over the course of the past hour than t3 has in this game and the last one combined

[osuka]

he'll ask a question and then promptly fuck off and completely forget about it. he'll ask questions, sure, but they're typically really not good questions at all and he never follows up. that slot has had a completely empty game, it's literally just a shell

[osuka]

you're clearly somewhat challenged so let me lay this out for you

2. Lemons' scumlist, which includes gerain and me, but who didn't vote gerain. (despite the pressure that gerain has from people like Ivyeo, Andante, and Dunnstral — making him a very viable wagon).

his scumlist includes you and gerain, but he votes you instead of gerain. you have a problem with that, because he did so "despite the pressure that gerain has from [other] people [...] making him a very viable wagon". this very clearly implies that gerain is a more viable wagon than yourself, because even though you have more votes on your slot, somehow you believe that to be the case. he COULD have done something with gerain, yes, but instead he chose you. why is that a point of contention? how could you possibly infer alignment from that?

maybe learn to write?

[osuka]

he'll ask a question and then promptly fuck off and completely forget about it. he'll ask questions, sure, but they're typically really not good questions at all and he never follows up. that slot has had a completely empty game, it's literally just a shell

that's your opinion, and I disagree. i think his activity so far demonstrates that he's playing a town wincon. after all, what else could be done from his perspective and playstyle?

he could be playing the game? he has less posts than the fucking mod for fuck's sakes

[osuka]

huh... why would you say gerain is a mislynch? that's duly noted.

assuming lemons scum almost universally means you and gerain are town, because there is zero reason for scum lemons to be pushing either slot at this point in time

nice try though

[osuka]

the fact that you're actively trying to excuse t3's play this game is making me sick. i can't wrap my head around that

[osuka]

like not even in terms of alignment. you can't tell alignment for a slot that produces no content, because at that point you're just guessing

it's just that he joins a game and just doesn't fucking play it. like why is he even here? he's just making the quality of the game worse for everyone else in the list, regardless of alignment, because there's some slot that is part of the game but is not actually taking part in anything, so the game is missing a part that it shouldn't be

[osuka]

i have already addressed that and your failure to acknowledge it either means you can't parse and understand a simple sentence, or that you didn't bother reading it at all, or you're just misrepresenting the state of the conversation to try to make me look stupid when in fact, i'm only stupid because you killed half my brain cells

[osuka]

assuming lemons scum almost universally means you and gerain are town, because there is zero reason for scum lemons to be pushing either slot at this point in time

nice try though

zero reason? okay.

i meant bussing either slot, that's my bad

does 512 make more sense now?

[osuka]

like if lemons is scum he has nearly nothing to gain from bussing a teammate this early. i can't imagine you and lemons are both scum here

[osuka]

you've said nothing that substantially progressed the game

why are you even that attached to the fact that lemons chose to push you instead of gerain? why are you so defensive about it? your play reeks of scum so far

[osuka]

oh fuck not this bullshit again

[osuka]

how are your juicers going, vfp? coasting smoothly?

[osuka]

this guy here comes in and again immediately says he'll coast? am i not supposed to be unhappy?

[osuka]

i dont think t3 can read at all

[osuka]

im now thinking you're town, gerain

???????

[osuka]

268 from Anya feels like a towny thought, but 46 gives me the heebie jeebies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

46 of all things is what ticks you off? how?

[osuka]

You vs osuka just feels like a slapfight over something I don't understand. Apologies if there's something big I'm missing but yeah.

This is very premature, and I wonder if this is because I'm annoyed. However, I have the impression that osuka seems to be intentionally being obtuse as I argue that Lemons could be scum. If it was town!osuka, it would be explained that he has Lemons as "conftown". But it's super early in the game, and Lemons being scum is still a possibility. This is highly irregular for me. There's also that "slip" where he said gerains is a mislynch. Although, I'm not the kind of guy that puts much value to that on its own. It just doesn't seem to have a town perspective when I was having that back-to-back with him.

conftown is an obvious exaggeration and if you can't pick up on that, i dont know what to tell you that would change anything. i'm not going to go again into how sad trying to make the mention of a mislynch look like a slip because i explained what that meant and to be perfectly clear, i understood what you were saying. it's just that you were wrong

[osuka]

now me not voting gerain is bad because he's a viable wagon. i disagree that a wagon being active is a good reason to put another vote onto it, all other things being equal. this is inconsistency

gerain being a viable wagon is evidence that you would have had good information on your scum suspect by pressing more on that slot. so, your vote there would have been a good option for you NOT MY SLOT who you have previously given "towncred" for. it's not inconsistent. it's the same assertion.

?????

[osuka]

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

[osuka]

it's like some of the shit he's posting is actually meant to look scummy and you don't do that unless you're tpr

[osuka]

so... your reason for not taking it more into account is that it's impossible to sort him anyway? or do you just don't believe that it's a reliable scumtell in general?

anyone ive ever played with on this website has yet to find any reliable alignment tell for me

[osuka]

that i know of, obviously. it's entirely possible that someone knows something they've just never said, but as far as i can tell people just can't read me and i think it's really funny

[osuka]

It's fine Lemons. I'm not going to be participating in making the game toxic.
But since you're here, what's what?

you should pump your juicers and read the fucking thread, that's what

[osuka]

this guy here comes in and again immediately says he'll coast? am i not supposed to be unhappy?

it's fine to be unhappy. but don't start with this juicer thing again or i will claw my eyes out

It's fine Lemons. I'm not going to be participating in making the game toxic.
But since you're here, what's what?

sorry, i thought it was customary to read the thread on a replace-in. it's 25 pages dude, just put in even a modicum of effort and form your own opinions instead of trying to tie yourself to me right out the gate

hey, he was the one that started it last time

[osuka]

wait did vfp really imply that someone else implied that suggesting someone actually read the thread is appeal to emotion?

that wasn't vfp. are you even reading the thread?

[osuka]

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

what's the point of announcing that?

????????????

[osuka]

welcome back dolphin

I'm somewhat put out that VFP gets to be called by the actual name of the animal in their avatar, you should be calling them shark or something.

ok koala

[osuka]

VOTE: Osuka
PL at the very least.

T3 I don't have a town read on yet. If I don't have one by the time I'm caught up I'll probably be satisfied here.
Anya looks town. Scum Anya just looks more cautious.
Dunn I'm thinking townlean.

@T3

why is Osuka scum here? Or why more scum than Ivyeo or Anya?

sorry what does PL mean

[osuka]

hi andante hi anya hi t3

hi insidiouslemons

i'm glad i don't have to pretend to call you a wolf

when you're writing down towny essays

unless YOU'RE the wolf this time

@ osuka
The phrasing of this part feels awkward/scumslip-ish

that's not a slip and that's hardly weird

read the second half of that sentence

[osuka]

UNVOTE: osuka
nvm osuka hs redeemed himself.
Yes I do towread gerains consciouslack of effort.

can you please, for the love of fucking god or whatever other deity you believe in, and for ONCE in your life, explain WHY you think something? it's impossible to play a game with someone who only posts completely shallow one-liners that have no degree of nuance whatsoever

[osuka]

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

this is the kind of opinion you don't out until the flip is in danger of actually occurring. i'm having trouble seeing the town mindset between voicing this thought unnecessarily, but then again, scum would also probably just keep it to themself/the scum pt. it's just a weird move in general

@VFP can i ask what about gerain's 629 suggests a town mindset to you? do you think scum isn't this vocal about wanting to progress to the next day?

there's a certain point that a wagon gets to that the flip might as well have occurred

i felt like it was getting to that point fairly quickly

[osuka]

I haven't read much of what Osuka has been saying but 646 strikes me more likely to come from town

I'm not personally a fan of policy elims, but unless there's something more compelling than my above reason to townread I will probably just watch this one

Probably.
I doubt my vote stays there but until I'm caught up I won't be sad on a lim there regardless.

come on, just say you hate me and let's move on with this game

there are enough slots doing nothing

[osuka]

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment....

Wait, I did! I have no role beyond vanilla townie!

okay this is extremely strange. as either alignment, don't you want to stick with that? even if you're vt? if you're scum, that's good for you because as soon as a tpr claim goes out d1 you're out of everyone's lynch pool. if you're town, that's good for you because you're more likely to draw a nk, which is a good thing if you're a vt

the point of this post completely eludes me. i think i'll have to come back to this in a bit

[osuka]

got vaccined today my arm horts troo much for reading thius crap

pfizer gang??? my arm hurt like a bitch for like two days after

[osuka]

gerain's return does not do much to convince me here. VFP, do you have past experience to suggest that gerain wouldn't claim VT unnecessarily? he even said he's deliberately attempting to vary his playstyle game to game, which is usually not a town play. though i do concede there's a certain boldness in admitting it outright

No, Gera didn't really get to claim in our game as they were in active from the game when pressure built (not fully sure if due to game or busy).
It's negative points to say the comment about playing different as it's LAMIST after I talk about the way Gera acts.
But claiming VT there suggests town. Since I've come back to the site, outside of a mass claim I've not seen scum claim VT, even more so with lack of pressure.
The best play as scum is to keep quiet on the role and let people think you are a PR from Osuka's comment. It's a better way if town too but at least it seems genuine.

i just addressed this but look for whatever post i just wrote a few minutes ago on that. i think we're saying the same thing but i do wanna talk about why the fuck that post exists

[osuka]

i have seen nothing out of

osuka

that i wouldn't expect from either alignment. he's said himself that he's very difficult to read, though his pompousness in this regard may be something of a tell in its own right. he also doesn't seem to have any interest in responding to my earlier suspicion/pocketing accusation of him

i want to address this because while i generally won't reply to suspicions of pocketing directed towards me, i'll think about replying to someone pointing out the lack of a reply

replying to a suspicion of a pocketing attempt, as the target of said suspicion, is completely pointless. pointless posts hinder the game progression and i find them to be intolerably annoying, so i tend to not post anything game-related that serves no game purpose. if i told you "i wasn't trying to pocket you", would that even mean anything? instead, if i said "oh shucks you got me", is that not obviously a joke? you couldn't possibly take anything i said there at face value, so unless i had truly convincing information (such as a night check for example), nothing would sway you - and if i had something of that caliber, that was certainly not the time to say that. first, because you were in no real, immediate danger of being executed (so publicizing privileged information about you serves no purpose); second, because that outs me as a power role (of either alignment) or otherwise binds me to a specific pr claim d1, and; third, because if i were to actually come out with that kind of thing, it wouldn't be in reply to a fucking pocketing suspicion for fuck's sake.

if what you wanted to hear was "i'm not trying to pocket you", then here it is: i'm not trying to pocket you. but since that means nothing, i'll also go ahead and say that if i were to pocket you, i know that isn't the way to do it and i can do it much more subtly than that (as you, yourself, have seen just a few days ago in another game)

to address the "attempt" itself: i defended your slot because i do have a very strong tr on you and you're one of the more capable players on the plist from what i know. put two and two together, what that really means is that you're at the very bottom of my list for a d1 exec - i would rather take the risk, however slim, of you being scum and giving you an extra day or two, than to have you misexecuted on day 1 if you're about to flip green

[osuka]

v/la until at least Saturday

for mental health

feel better, kangaroo

[osuka]

bugspray's iso is pretty barren and though he claims to have been occupied (not going to doubt this because i'm not a dick), he does keep popping in recently with pretty useless posts, which suggests to me that he's reading the thread and just not bothering to actually write anything of substance. scumlean for this and for his overall refusal to answer questions directed at him

my pronouns are they/them

it takes different spoons for reading a thread and critical thinking and popping in and reading the most recent page and back one for a tinge of context. not a fan of this bad faith fake activity tell

bug can we just work together here? i dont feel like i have a good grip on the game but i do tr you for reasons i myself can't really put a finger on, so id like you and lemons to not get in a cat fight just yet

[osuka]

Sorry, did somebody ask for me to go get some cats from the beach to fight them?

not to be snarky but we asked for a votecount, can we get one please

[osuka]

i can't believe even the mod is lurking

[osuka]

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment....

Wait, I did! I have no role beyond vanilla townie!

okay this is extremely strange. as either alignment, don't you want to stick with that? even if you're vt? if you're scum, that's good for you because as soon as a tpr claim goes out d1 you're out of everyone's lynch pool. if you're town, that's good for you because you're more likely to draw a nk, which is a good thing if you're a vt

the point of this post completely eludes me. i think i'll have to come back to this in a bit

sorry, im really confused by your understanding of my post.
i basically aid in the first part that i didn't want to either confirm or deny the theory that i might be a power role.

and then in the second part i reverd that and confirmed my previous claim that i am a vanilla townie.

this is a non-answer

you just reaffirmed what you said in the post whose _reason for existing_ is a mystery. the contents are pretty obvious yeah, but i find myself wondering what possible motivation you could have to do that

[osuka]

osuka
• looks engaged, but not really (bugs is spot on #220)
• inconsistent and opaque process (hostile, but not really trying to scumhunt. called me scum — DIDNT VOTE ME)
• has slipped in perspective when he chainsaw defended Lemons
• has demonstrated that they're PR hunting (called out gerain as PR, for no good reason)
• has incoherently overexplained in their defenses
take: probably scum. this is one of two of my "probably scum" lynch in d1.

let's take this from the top

220 is saying i'm an ass therefore i posted no content. that argument doesn't follow and frankly if you want to get rid of me because i hurt your feelings, just say that and it'll sound a lot more honest

my process may be opaque (i couldn't possibly know because i'm not an outsider from my perspective), but inconsistent? i never said you were scum. to be clear:

i said that

if it's not tvt

, you're overwhelmingly likely to be the scum

instead of lemons

(bolded for emphasis, not in the original)

as i said i'm not entirely convinced you're scum just yet

please point out where i slipped in perspective. my read on lemons has stayed relatively constant from the beginning of the game and yours is a bit vague if anything, but with this sort of push i can't imagine there isn't at least some degree of hidden motivation behind what you're doing.

here's a question for you: assume i'm mafia and i'm pr hunting. why the fuck would i say that in the main thread?

please point out the incoherent overexplanation

this is extremely vague, factually questionable, and distinctly accusatory. you haven't backed half of what you said so really barring a decent explanation of most of this, VOTE: hem

[osuka]

you're one of the more capable players on the plist

pocketing attempt confirmed

for real tho i have never seen osuka type even half that much in one post. granted i've never seen him address something he "wouldn't normally address" either, but i'm curious enough about how he will react under pressure that i'm fine hopping on the wagon and seeing where it leads. as i've said, it's been hard for me to get a solid idea about him this game, so i don't mind taking a chance here. i doubt very much that he's the type of player to go down without a fight, so he'll have plenty of opportunity to plead his case if we're wrong.

VOTE: osuka

spent a decent portion of today in the hospital for a stupid injury so i didn't get to catch up super thoroughly. i'll probably be back later tonight or early tomorrow. if i missed any questions directed at me, feel free to re-ask.

i plan on reading over that gerald game that i haven't honestly bothered to look at yet and i'll post here about it in a second

you're not gonna like my answer i think, but it really just was >500mg of caffeine in a day that got me to write that. at the risk of being pedantic (though you're probably not one to talk about that), it's important to distinguish between addressing an accusation of a pocketing attempt and addressing the conversation about the lack of an address to an accusation of a pocketing attempt. it really is the case that addressing a pocketing attempt accusation is largely pointless, but pointing _that_ out might not be

by and large i don't really truly care how you read me here because i highly doubt you're going to look at my game and read it as town, because of recency and confirmation biases. i can't think of a single time where i played two games over a short period of time, first as scum and second as town, with one or more of the same players, and _wasn't_ scumread the second time around - let alone back to back. that's a consequence of making my playstyle intentionally nebulous to actively curb meta reads on me. i've openly admitted to that before and there's no point in lying about it, and i chose to do that fully aware that it would end up painting a fat target on my back, regardless of alignment, and getting me mislynched way too frequently

non game related, but i hope your injury heals soon

[osuka]

bugspray is scum. They made a similar defenseI think in electocollege mafia when they were scum.

It's also possible to genuinely be tired when scum. Reading into people who are having an irl issue at the time sets a bad precident, whilst at the same time shouldn't be seen as an absolute defense

i know you're not the one doing it but you people need to fuck off from reading into irl stuff

[osuka]

my process may be opaque (i couldn't possibly know because i'm not an outsider from my perspective), but inconsistent? i never said you were scum. to be clear:

i said that

if it's not tvt

, you're overwhelmingly likely to be the scum

instead of lemons

(bolded for emphasis, not in the original)

please point out where i slipped in perspective. my read on lemons has stayed relatively constant from the beginning of the game and yours is a bit vague if anything, but with this sort of push i can't imagine there isn't at least some degree of hidden motivation behind what you're doing.

The slip comes in that you're still assuming that atleast 1 is scum, which the post doesn't make clear. Even if you say you never siad they were scum, sure as hell felt like you were.

oh fuck

are you dense or just not reading? here i'll help you out

if it's not tvt, then that means that:
NOT (you town AND lemons town)
is true. knowing that not town = scum:
you scum OR lemons scum

which is true if you're scum, if lemons is scum, or if both of you are scum. i said that if it's not tvt, you're overwhelmingly likely to be the scum instead of lemons

if it's not tvt, then[...]

i said that if it's not tvt

[osuka]

i'll go one step further because clearly you all are struggling:

osuka, can you please read #390 to #406 again and please tell me what you think about Lemons' apparently natural thought process

i agree with everything he said from 390-395, but your 397 is a very good point and i honestly think that page 16 might just be tvt

then again, 406 is a perfectly appropriate justification for your question. i don't see anything wrong from lemons in either page

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[osuka]

please start fucking reading so i dont have to keep quoting myself

[osuka]

if you're going to push me at least put in the effort to look at what i did and did not say because i actually do remember what the fuck i write, yes?

[osuka]

i'll go one step further because clearly you all are struggling:

osuka, can you please read #390 to #406 again and please tell me what you think about Lemons' apparently natural thought process

i agree with everything he said from 390-395, but your 397 is a very good point and i honestly think that page 16 might just be tvt

then again, 406 is a perfectly appropriate justification for your question. i don't see anything wrong from lemons in either page

this quote got fucked so heres what i actually meant to post in the second half

i honestly think that page 16 might just be tvt

[osuka]

But there i nothing to go on during day 1 so you'll just have to wait till votes nd flips are for more substantial from me.

this is not something that would ever sound weird to me but in light of this here, it is extremely strange and quite offputting:

I dislike players who move their vote around a lot and tag along following wagons and other people's reads

I feel like you dislike a lot of things that are just inherent to my playstyle. :P Recognize that this one is a bias that is not particularly likely to find scum.

What do you think of Hoops, gera?

I dislike pretty much everyones day 1 play. if I thought people were good at day 1s, then they wouldn't always end up with townie getting lynched.

hoopla - they made a townbloc in post 260. I don't like that. tink this follows 2 different votes before this

posts like 261 and 288 are them being involved in the game by asking other people their opinions.

post 371 - making a group of 5 people all town.

"so far, this wagon looks solid to me, and i haven't seen anything behaviourally to give off town vibes from geraintm; though i will look into him more the longer he remains a candidate."

^^^ they just seem happy to be the player happy to lynch almost anyone day one, they were happy to lynch me and assume everyone else voting me was town too. but how on earth they can a) know I am scum b) know everyone else is town? their reads are just so weak day 1 they are worthless

they had a little bit of an interaction with me over bobbins, but they just let it hang... it is almost like they want to be seen having interaction with everyone but nothing more than superficial

What I want most of all is a dunn wagon right now- would you be interested in partaking or sharing thoughts on his recent assertion about peoples reads changing based on his?

here is where we have commonground.

geraintm's wagon is at feverpitch. i can sense it. i can

feel

it. i don't want to abandon my post yet - especially given he has been quite responsive to pressure.

consider myself spiritually on the dunn wagon. i give it my stamp of approval.

this pings me bad. they feel like scum wanting to get off a wagon they know has a) stalled b) is only going to end up lynching a bad town player. they can keep me alive for later in the game safe in the knowledge I am not athreat to them

then a switch to Dunn to try and get something going there.

post 515 - excuses for behaving differently to what people expect

I have gone through, it feels like half the posts are them asking others for their thoughts, a quarter are hopping off and on wagons and a quarter just fluff.
they are the sort of player I find it hard to get along with at this stage of the game. def closer to being scum in my eyes than town

[osuka]

i mean for fucks sake in that game someone accused him of doing nothing and he actually just quoted a bunch of his own posts as a counterargument

[osuka]

pedit i misread that

bob was saying gerain was giving way too many opinions there so i supposed that's the same as here?

[osuka]

maybe human eating monkey for his fast about face on me for no good reasons is suspicious - because i didn't do anything to change their mind really.

i don't know what you're saying because even this post is pretty town

the timeline was i believe

you think i'm scum
i go "you can think of me as bad town but i am town"
you go "oh yeah, you are right, you are town!"
i go "that's weird you backed off me so easily"
you go "you are spewing town vibes"
i go "i really am not, you are being weird"
you go "see, you did it again!"

i find your interaction with me odd

@lemons i think this is in line with the game you linked. how would you say this differs from that?

[osuka]

all in all i'm not so sure that the meta case on gerain is very good. i feel like i have to read more into his progression in this game in particular though because i dont think i have a very good grasp of it

[osuka]

other than what i said in 774, which i stand by, i cant really find anything too weird about that game and this one for gerain (looking only at d1 in that game). am i right in thinking that the meta case is kind of a cornerstone of the push on that slot or am i mistaken?

[osuka]

this is extremely vague, factually questionable, and distinctly accusatory. you haven't backed half of what you said so really barring a decent explanation of most of this, VOTE: hem

oh so you never called me scum but I'm scum now?

yeah actually i had you as null-ish because admittedly you did not a lot that was truly that questionable other than the stupid shit you were throwing at me, but doubling down on all of that after you've had time to cool down and after what's happened since? you're either scum or not playing wincon

[osuka]

please point out where i slipped in perspective. my read on lemons has stayed relatively constant from the beginning of the game and yours is a bit vague if anything, but with this sort of push i can't imagine there isn't at least some degree of hidden motivation behind what you're doing.

your chainsaw defense is evidence of slip in perspective. you've assumed InsiduousLemons had more solid reasons to be town than he really does. more reason that you've soloed a countercase against him with hostility and tried to OMGUS me for it. you say "conftown" is a hyperbole, so now I don't understand your reason even more. you also said gerains was a mislynch. that's corroborating evidence.

I'll get to the incoherent part later. Plus, maybe your response here could prove it even more.

im my mind, lemons is town. there's really not a lot else to it so yeah i'm gonna defend that slot because at the end of the day, picking pushes apart is how scum really becomes apparent. it's well established at this point that you disagree with my read on lemons, but what you're essentially saying here is that i've assumed he has more solid reasons to be town than he actually does - doesn't the inverse apply to you, too? you've portrayed the slot as being an order of magnitude scummier than it actually was, and for what reason? to get a lynch? you don't do that as town, because if you make a push with that sort of foundation you end up with green flips all over the place

this is the last time i'm going to say this: if you can't fully grasp that saying someone is conftown d1 is a hyperbole, or that I said gerains was a mislynch _very clearly_ in THAT hypothetical, for the sake of the argument, then i don't know what else to tell you than to go read a fucking book, because you really need to learn how to interpret some fucking text before you try to play a game of mafia again.

that said, i really don't think you're that dense so the next plausible explanation is that you're just scum riding the fever wagon on my slot because parroting that shit back at me constantly, despite the fact that it's an enormous misrep, is apparently working. more power to you

[osuka]

skimmed the thread on my phone and i saw the votecount

i’ll be at work for a few more hours here please don’t kill me until i’ve had a chance to properly read the last page and a half

with almost two days on the deadline you still have plenty of time to get rid of me

[osuka]

this is the last time i'm going to say this: if you can't fully grasp that saying someone is conftown d1 is a hyperbole, or that I said gerains was a mislynch _very clearly_ in THAT hypothetical, for the sake of the argument, then i don't know what else to tell you than to go read a fucking book, because you really need to learn how to interpret some fucking text before you try to play a game of mafia again.

you slipped again. this paragraph was written in the assumption that I am town. i thought was scum?

why did you completely ignore the paragraph that followed that? why do you keep cherry picking things I say, completely out of context? i can't think of any town motivation to do this kind of shit

[osuka]

im my mind, lemons is town.

this is the problem. how is lemons town in your mind that early in the game? if you can make a very convincing argument that lemons is town beyond a reasonable doubt at that point of the game — so much so that you won't entertain a perspective (even he admits is valid) that he could be scum — then maybe you can convince me it wasn't a perspective slip

he's playing the game exactly the way he did last game and it screams town. in particular:

244 can come from either alignment, but he didn't actually have to post that at that point in time. i don't think anything about that post itself is towny, but the fact that it exists is - he wrote that completely out of his own accord. he wasn't prompted to do so, he replied to a post that was neither a question nor directed at anyone in particular (let alone himself), and whether or not the post shows a particularly deep analysis of the game state (it doesn't), it advances the game because it's _something_ to go off of. scum are generally happy to let the game stall
341 is a short one but the questions are good, and 342 is good - not many town points for 342, because it isn't very difficult to call out what is a truly jarring way to look at the game (317/319)

344 is when it really started to look like he was town to me. if he's scum, he could let andante just walk away with that. scum generally won't post that, because that kind of line of questioning backfires - there's a _chance_ you get a good foundation for a push on andante's slot, but the much more likely course of events is for andante to just explain whatever she's thinking and then that's pro-town
347 follows that. he could've just answered "yes it seems so" (that andante just posts like there's no tomorrow), but instead he went into detail he really didn't have to and provided pretty good analysis on andante, to the point where i didn't even chime in because i didn't feel like i had a lot to add

[osuka]

osuka, claim?

noting this to see where the wagon is at when i finish catching up. if it's e-1, i'll probably claim

[osuka]

this is the last time i'm going to say this: if you can't fully grasp that saying someone is conftown d1 is a hyperbole, or that I said gerains was a mislynch _very clearly_ in THAT hypothetical, for the sake of the argument, then i don't know what else to tell you than to go read a fucking book, because you really need to learn how to interpret some fucking text before you try to play a game of mafia again.

you slipped again. this paragraph was written in the assumption that I am town. i thought was scum?

i don't see how this paragraph explicitly assumes you are town. he's just fighting back against a push. how is this a perspective slip?

i'll answer for him

he's misrepping to get me out of the game because he's scum with a bad case of head up ass

[osuka]

you're one of the more capable players on the plist

pocketing attempt confirmed

for real tho i have never seen osuka type even half that much in one post. granted i've never seen him address something he "wouldn't normally address" either, but i'm curious enough about how he will react under pressure that i'm fine hopping on the wagon and seeing where it leads. as i've said, it's been hard for me to get a solid idea about him this game, so i don't mind taking a chance here. i doubt very much that he's the type of player to go down without a fight, so he'll have plenty of opportunity to plead his case if we're wrong.

VOTE: osuka

spent a decent portion of today in the hospital for a stupid injury so i didn't get to catch up super thoroughly. i'll probably be back later tonight or early tomorrow. if i missed any questions directed at me, feel free to re-ask.

i plan on reading over that gerald game that i haven't honestly bothered to look at yet and i'll post here about it in a second

you're not gonna like my answer i think, but it really just was >500mg of caffeine in a day that got me to write that. at the risk of being pedantic (though you're probably not one to talk about that), it's important to distinguish between addressing an accusation of a pocketing attempt and addressing the conversation about the lack of an address to an accusation of a pocketing attempt. it really is the case that addressing a pocketing attempt accusation is largely pointless, but pointing _that_ out might not be

by and large i don't really truly care how you read me here because i highly doubt you're going to look at my game and read it as town, because of recency and confirmation biases. i can't think of a single time where i played two games over a short period of time, first as scum and second as town, with one or more of the same players, and _wasn't_ scumread the second time around - let alone back to back. that's a consequence of making my playstyle intentionally nebulous to actively curb meta reads on me. i've openly admitted to that before and there's no point in lying about it, and i chose to do that fully aware that it would end up painting a fat target on my back, regardless of alignment, and getting me mislynched way too frequently

non game related, but i hope your injury heals soon

this is still kind of pockety. he makes a decent case for not addressing the pocketing and then for addressing that fact itself, but i haven't known osuka to be this patient and polite to literally anyone else, especially not to someone who's actively pushing towards getting him elemonated. maybe it really is recency/confirmation bias but dude seems very invested in me specifically not disliking him and even with the "strong townread" on me, i don't really understand why

i don't lash out at people for going into legitimate lines of questioning. what really pisses me off is the kind of shit hem is posting, which is very frustrating to argue against because he's misrepresenting what i say, pretending i said shit i didn't, and generally just playing stupid

[osuka]

maybe human eating monkey for his fast about face on me for no good reasons is suspicious - because i didn't do anything to change their mind really.

i don't know what you're saying because even this post is pretty town

the timeline was i believe

you think i'm scum
i go "you can think of me as bad town but i am town"
you go "oh yeah, you are right, you are town!"
i go "that's weird you backed off me so easily"
you go "you are spewing town vibes"
i go "i really am not, you are being weird"
you go "see, you did it again!"

i find your interaction with me odd

@lemons i think this is in line with the game you linked. how would you say this differs from that?

it doesn't differ substantially. gerain just seems overall more invested even in D1 of that other game. to me the difference is that gerain there is trying to stay active in spite of his vocal distaste for D1s, whereas here he seems to be falling back on it as a crutch because it's "how he always plays". dunnstral's 381 ivy's 420 make good points about this. i don't know that i would necessarily say that meta is a

cornerstone

of the case, but it is a decent part. however, i'm not sure how much else you can reasonably expect there to be considering how little gerain has given us to work with.

p-edit: this is kind of a stretch. osuka's statement is "IF you can't fully grasp..." -- he is once again speaking in hypotheticals. the point he's making reads to me as something like "if you're not scum then you're illiterate, which i know you aren't, therefore scum". you're trying pretty hard to make these "if" statements factually inconsistent.

honestly that game was almost a year ago and i'm totally willing to chalk that up to environmental factors. i really don't think these subtle differences make for a case on gerain, because anyone's playstyle naturally changes over time and varies depending on what they have going on irl, their mood, etc

[osuka]

i'll review osuka

when you do, can you make sure your head is out of your ass? it seems to have gotten lodged in there a few hundred posts ago

[osuka]

p-edit: this is kind of a stretch. osuka's statement is "IF you can't fully grasp..." -- he is once again speaking in hypotheticals. the point he's making reads to me as something like "if you're not scum then you're illiterate, which i know you aren't, therefore scum". you're trying pretty hard to make these "if" statements factually inconsistent.

I've reviewed it. no not really. this is not how he said it was. you can clearly say what he said.

YOU are stretching it

the point he's making reads to me as "if you don't understand, then you're stupid. don't play mafia." because that's exactly what he said.

i hate myself for breaking my own promise, to myself, that i would stop addressing this sort of dogshit but frankly i can't stop myself so here goes nothing

i'll keep quoting myself until your brain stops fucking short-circuiting or people start to see you're completely full of shit. your posts about me have ranged from misrepresentations of what i've said to straight up fabrications and i'm honestly sick of you pretending like you have had a fucking lobotomy

[osuka]

Yeah. It's tough to fight against their will.

Scum bussing exists. What do you think would have happened if osuka was scum here?

assume i'm scum. why the fuck am i being hard bussed d1?

[osuka]

It was moderna not Pfizer but I'm gonna eat a food I really like for breakfast and catch up

i heard moderna has better 5g reception than pfizer, but mine is excellent anyway

[osuka]

the point he's making reads to me as "if you don't understand, then you're stupid. don't play mafia." because that's exactly what he said.

an unacceptable amount of osuka's ISO is that kind of toxic crap, I honestly wonder how he he hasn't caught the ban

though i do admittedly toe the line, i attack the play not the player

in the event i do actually want to attack the player, i just leave what i'm _actually_ trying to say implied

[osuka]

the reverse-catchup is an interesting play from bug because it makes it substantially harder to track their process. i don't know if i like it

I'd agree, almost feels like a reason to misrepresent what is being read, even if corrected later.

this isn't a bad point, but i can't find anyplace where bugspray misrepped. they posted a fairly shallow analysis (bordering iioa) but didn't actually misrep anything too badly as far as i can tell

[osuka]

It was moderna not Pfizer but I'm gonna eat a food I really like for breakfast and catch up

i heard moderna has better 5g reception than pfizer, but mine is excellent anyway

This is incorrect. I have injected both Moderna and Pfizer into each of my arms.

My 5G did not improve, although getting both a Moderna and a Pfizer needle into each of my arms rendered me unable to perform any meaningful tasks.

Do not get four vaccines at the same time. It will not help you.

jokes aside my arm hurt really badly after the first shot, but not after the second. the second shot gave me a fever and some pretty shit malaise that lasted for a whole day

[osuka]

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

[osuka]

no i'm not, i just went back and counted and it's e-1

since clearly you fucks are way too trigger happy, claim odd-night rolestopper

[osuka]

my dislike for osuka is personal

you'll be glad to hear you're not alone, get in line

[osuka]

ignoring the PR/PT absurdity because i think that can be chalked up to genuine confusion and that kind of thing happens

[osuka]

maybe scum has informed roles that know something about town roles and hoods/pts.

They don't. I just made a mistake.

??????????

[osuka]

do you have anything more substantial on ivy?

It seems that Ivy is going for whats popular.

i think vfp is spot on here. ivy hasn't had any hot takes or voiced strong disagreement to anything, which to me is worse than just agreeing with most stuff. i think having your reads generally align with the rest of the players' isn't necessarily bad, but not disagreeing with _anything_ is strange

[osuka]

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

VOTE: osuka you're hammered

the reverse-catchup is an interesting play from bug because it makes it substantially harder to track their process. i don't know if i like it

I'd agree, almost feels like a reason to misrepresent what is being read, even if corrected later.

this isn't a bad point, but i can't find anyplace where bugspray misrepped. they posted a fairly shallow analysis (bordering iioa) but didn't actually misrep anything too badly as far as i can tell

wtf is iioa

thought i replied to this but apparently not - iioa = information instead of analysis

[osuka]

I feel like T3 is trying to avoid me.

VOTE: T3
Talk to me about who's scum!
Are you scum reading Ivy or Anya?

Have you revisited T3?

T3 is town.
I was more than satisfied.

Scum T3 would have just ignored me rather than answering.

why do you say scum t3 would have ignored you? town t3 ignored everyone last game

[osuka]

is this a game where the mod is our enemy?

i dont know if this is a joke, but in case it isnt: a lying mod makes the game bastard, so no - the mod is impartial and you can completely trust what is said because this is a normal game.

[osuka]

i much prefer hem over dunnstral, but i'll settle for dunn if there's no other viable wagon

[osuka]

Dunn we all want to lynch you. I've counted. You'll be eliminated. I think it's better to claim now and leave some time for discussing your flip.

discussing your claim

PR hunting

[osuka]

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

it's an answer to another question

bugspray you can't even comprehend the number of style points you get for winning a mafia game off of a scumslip

once bitten twice shy. is there anything in particular that makes you disbelieve that hem was responding to 899 rather than 901? i understand that it is still sketch but i do think we porbably have better options than HEM today

the timing is all wrong. 898, 899, and 900 were all posted within a minute of each other. 903 only comes 10 minutes after that, and 9 minutes after 901 - he had to have had the time to look at the beginning of the next page. he didn't even quote the post? when you're directing something towards a post that is not the most recent, you generally quote what you're replying to or you pedit, neither of which he did

[osuka]

To clarify, his hypotheticals come from an entirely differnt PoV than his own, and I'm just using words to show that things are leans rather than hard reads.

dumbest post in the thread so far

speaking in hypotheticals is useful to elaborate on what i think the game state is, since i dont actually know what the fuck anyone is going to flip ahead of time. get your head out of your ass

[osuka]

i would say try harder but i think that's impossible

@lemons i still strongly prefer hem but i can settle for either dunn or ivy in no order of preference between the last two

[osuka]

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

it's an answer to another question

bugspray you can't even comprehend the number of style points you get for winning a mafia game off of a scumslip

once bitten twice shy. is there anything in particular that makes you disbelieve that hem was responding to 899 rather than 901? i understand that it is still sketch but i do think we porbably have better options than HEM today

the timing is all wrong. 898, 899, and 900 were all posted within a minute of each other. 903 only comes 10 minutes after that, and 9 minutes after 901 - he had to have had the time to look at the beginning of the next page. he didn't even quote the post? when you're directing something towards a post that is not the most recent, you generally quote what you're replying to or you pedit, neither of which he did

why didnt you do this check earlier when you quoted the posts together

i'm agreeing with you here i think

one of either of us is really confused, i'm not sure what's happening

[osuka]

to be clear, that looks like a slip and his explanation isn't excellent imo

[osuka]

To clarify, his hypotheticals come from an entirely differnt PoV than his own, and I'm just using words to show that things are leans rather than hard reads.

dumbest post in the thread so far

speaking in hypotheticals is useful to elaborate on what i think the game state is, since i dont actually know what the fuck anyone is going to flip ahead of time. get your head out of your ass

I think you misunderstood, the use of hypotheticals isn't an issue, is a question of why. The hypothetical is assuming something that you appear to strongly disagree with. Let me ask this for clarity then, how sure are you of HEM scum?

the _point_ of a lot of these hypotheticals is to show that something makes sense because the alternative does not. is that not obvious?

i can't say with full certainty that hem is scum but I do believe that slot will flip red at least 70% of the time. there's a real chance he's just townie with his head really far up his ass, but i don't think that's likely enough to justify executing another slot

[osuka]

re: 968 i'm kind of wary of how fine everyone is with a dunn lim. unanimity suggests that scum are okay with it too, and his flip gives us almost no information. with 16 hours to go, i will be waking up tomorrow right around the time of the deadline, and i suspect this is the case for many of us. we probably need to decide on a lim tonight, despite the monkey's resistance.

it's worth noting that in the convo quoted in 728, egix is unable to qualify the difference in "attitude" that he feels in ivy's play between one of her scum games and this one, for which he's "thinking she's maybe town here". he's quite eager to move away from the subject in that post, even attacking me to do so. the only reasons he cites for a townread apart from this are 311 and 420 which, while town-looking posts, don't really do it for me anymore given what we've seen since. this could suggest partner equity if one of them flips scum. i recognize that i'm getting a bit all over the place, but i'm feeling the deadline panic a bit and i want to consider every possible option before we make a decision.

VOTE: ivyeo

p-edit: i never criticized her for saying she'd go for dunn so it's interesting that you focus on that. my argument against her is mostly that the progression of her read on osuka feels unnatural. this is being super, super nitpicky, but it also stands out to me slightly that she seems to classify "town" as a group of which she is not a part in 970. i don't really want to read too much into word choice like this, but it caught my eye, so i might as well mention it.

bug am i right in thinking that your top 2 for today are humaneatingmonkey and dunnstral? i want to see how ivy responds to my post but i'm actually leaning in her direction for a lim atp

This is one of the few votes today I have sat up and went huh.

For someone so keen to get a good elimination today, trying to start one now on Ivy is just odd. It isn't going to happen, and looks to me like an attempt at distraction. Certainly in my interesting pile....

elaborate?

[osuka]

that makes two of us

[osuka]

so are we blasting hem to the moon or what

[osuka]

i regret to inform everyone that i am heading to the bars so i'm not going to be sober for very long

just get on the wagon please VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[osuka]

voting for effect because ive been voting that slot for a while now

[osuka]

bugspray
• skirting in the sidelines
• surprisingly consistent but opaque process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i don't know if i can characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure. very unsure. dare i say with a slight town bias. i almost want to lynch this for being tough to read, but that's not how you play this game.

distancing.jpg
VOTE: hem

[osuka]

osuka, is this you? Confirm.
—
If Dunn is town:
bugspray is pretended to be a derp and pushes my answer as a slip. Lemons and osuka hops in to try and build a viable wagon against me. Egix is a derp and misinterprets my answer as a slip to distance. To distance themselves from Dunn's lynch.

If Dunn is scum:
bugspray pretended to be a derp and pushes my answer as a slip. One out of these people—Lemons, osuka, Egix—hops in to try and build a viable wagon against me to save Dunn from a lynch.

Either way, I think Lemons is obvscum here.

it's _possible_ that it was me, but i don't get night action feedback so i really don't know for sure

[osuka]

Also if osuka ignores my request for crumb again, he's also scum.

i didnt crumb, feel free to vote me

[osuka]

VFP because I saw him online and didn't even bother to comment and that was a "HMMMMM" moment for me.

quick side note: showing as online doesnt even mean theyre in front of the computer, let alone available to post

fuck off with this

[osuka]

If osuka doesn't claim responsibility for tonight's kill save and if osuka doesn't declare who he targeted and why, he's scum.

i'll declare who i targeted in a second here. i want to see everyone's reactions to no kill first

[osuka]

i'm catching up, fuck off

[osuka]

bugspray
• skirting in the sidelines
• surprisingly consistent but opaque process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i don't know if i can characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure. very unsure. dare i say with a slight town bias. i almost want to lynch this for being tough to read, but that's not how you play this game.

distancing.jpg
VOTE: hem

You can't seriously think HEM is scum after how yesterday ended.

youll have to explain

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

[osuka]

My solve is already Lemons > osuka > VFP, like, I don't think I'll be able to change my mind about this without external input.

how do you conflate my "chainsaw defense" of lemons with us being scumbuddies? do you seriously think i'm that stupid?

[osuka]

i'm sensing desperation, VFP. that's not the mood i'm expecting after lynching scum on D1.

???

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

lmaoo

have at it

if you have something of substance to say about this, which i doubt, please make sure your brain doesn't catch fire when you try to put it into words. i don't wanna have to call an ambulance

[osuka]

if _that_ isn't caught scum then i dont know what the fuck is

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

So Lemons was the protect? just to be absolutely clear?

yes i rolestopped lemons last night

[osuka]

why do i have a feeling youre about to claim

[osuka]

Last game I was basically shut down for saying Osuka was scum.
I was right.
I was shot down for saying Anya was scum. I was right.

Then you wonder why you trying to shut me down here frustrates me?
Why is Uma town outside of the Bugs vote?

actually yeah that is true

vfp didn't have good pushes and honestly most of his points were dogshit but he was concerningly accurate that game. i think ive learned not to discard his impressions regardless of there being a good explanation, even though he did say a lot of dumb shit and pissed me off that game

[osuka]

Anya and Umlaut are conftown to me.

I'm not saying Umlaut is confirmed town here, and you could be right, but he's at the very last of my scumpile.

I lynch after that, Anya and Ivyeo, which I already said I will only lynch at LYLO.

what happened here?

p-edit i'm so confused

if _that_ isn't caught scum then i dont know what the fuck is

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

so given that you

didn't

rolestop hem, your vote is back to making zero fucking sense

oh i'm a moron

i meant rolestopped LEMONS

i rolestopped YOU so that hem couldn't kill you. i think i had a stroke, it took me three reads of this quote for me to understand what was wrong so yeah, sorry

[osuka]

uhhhhhhhhhh yeah you're right okay so @osuka what is 1248 saying since i'm clearly misreading

no i actually miswrote so i'm sorry

[osuka]

This is an offer: If you guys are town, you guys might wanna do a massclaim and study the spec setup while you guys still can. Let's do it today. That's the only way we can zoom out on this without the WIFOM. I'm very confident that I can organize the town to get a lynch on both of you in two succeeding days. I'm also confident that there will be counterclaims, and that can give us a better understanding of who's scum in LYLO.

You don't have to accept this now. Think about it.

massclaim on d2 after no kill? hahahahah what the fuck

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

so given that you

didn't

rolestop hem, your vote is back to making zero fucking sense

oh i'm a moron

i meant rolestopped LEMONS

i rolestopped YOU so that hem couldn't kill you. i think i had a stroke, it took me three reads of this quote for me to understand what was wrong so yeah, sorry

call me crazy but this could easily be a slip

i think you mixed up rolestopper/roleblocker in your head and forgot what your fake action was supposed to do

1312 is more uncharacteristic politeness from osuka. he does soften up when admitting a mistake, but i can't help feeling this post was at least partly made with the intention of mitigating my disbelief with AtE

can we yeet this

i mixed up rolestopper and roleblocker once except i was the mod

that's never happening again

[osuka]

to be clear: i claimed roleSTOPPER and i roleSTOPPED lemons

[osuka]

i did so so that HEM could not kill LEMONS

[osuka]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

so given that you

didn't

rolestop hem, your vote is back to making zero fucking sense

oh i'm a moron

i meant rolestopped LEMONS

i rolestopped YOU so that hem couldn't kill you. i think i had a stroke, it took me three reads of this quote for me to understand what was wrong so yeah, sorry

call me crazy but this could easily be a slip

i think you mixed up rolestopper/roleblocker in your head and forgot what your fake action was supposed to do

1312 is more uncharacteristic politeness from osuka. he does soften up when admitting a mistake, but i can't help feeling this post was at least partly made with the intention of mitigating my disbelief with AtE

can we yeet this

i mixed up rolestopper and roleblocker once except i was the mod

that's never happening again

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=84068

[osuka]

the massclaim suggestion is ludicrous. if osuka somehow actually flips town odd night rolestopper here i will be pointing an entire hand of suspicion at monkey

to be clear: i claimed roleSTOPPER and i roleSTOPPED lemons

i think you meant to put this in your notes pt

cute

[osuka]

if osuka flips scum:
- his scumslip push on hme and subsequent rolestop/roleblock fumble are unprecedentedly sloppy scum play and i will not ever let him forget it
- hme basically conftown
- we lim vfp next (or me if you guys feel like prolonging the game a little)

if osuka flips town:
- his scumslip push on hme and subsequent rolestop/roleblock fumble are two shining examples of the patented brain short-circuit that osuka likes to pick fun at other people for and i will not ever let him forget it
- it's possible (not sure yet how likely) that scum!hme saw the writing on the wall and knew that bugspray would be limmed soon anyway, and decided to capitalize on the opening that umlaut created on bug's wagon in order to conftown himself by bussing bugs
- ivy is back on the menu as a possible partner

either way this slot gives too much info to not get the rope today

you're really not this dumb, please use your brain

that game very nearly had several force replacements because i fucked up and i am still traumatized by it. like i'm really not going to forget what the fuck a rolestopper does anytime soon, even though what the fuck that's a stupid name for that role

[osuka]

let me point this out because calling that a slip is actually just really dumb

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

if you take the first sentence off, the post makes sense. if you replace "hem" by lemons in the first sentence, the post makes even more sense. how do you not get that? or alternatively, why would you pretend not to get that? the only reason my read on you isn't gonna flip is because i had a protect on you and as i said that's a soft clear in light of no night kill

[osuka]

please get your head out of your ass

[osuka]

those of you trying to solve the game based on associatives on my flip are in for a rough fucking time

[osuka]

those of you trying to solve the game based on associatives on my flip are in for a rough fucking time

how so?

you all geniuses are drawing associatives for a scum flip on me, which is not what's going to happen. the few of you that did consider a green flip are already miles ahead, but the associatives there don't really make a lot of sense to me so really you're all fucked so far

[osuka]

like everyone so far got it wrong from the beginning ("osuka is flipping scum") or got it wrong from there on it

[osuka]

you're welcome? what the fuck was the point of that?

[osuka]

baffling, like the rest of your iso

[osuka]

dunnstral has posted only 29 times in a 54 page game and that's fucking inexcusable, but he _is_ making sense and i suppose that makes his sense to post ratio the highest i've ever seen

[osuka]

who's "he"

[osuka]

if i have to spoonfeed you every context clues, you wouldn't have enough on your promised post-by-post iso to label as a scumslip.

nice try, smartass, but you can't be a smartass if you're not being smart

the context is not enough to deduce who "he" is. that could be me, since i had just posted prior, or could be dunnstral, since my post was about _him_. you're trying to be cute and difficult but in reality you're just being dense, because i can't read your mind and you pretend like you don't realize that

[osuka]

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

if you take the first sentence off, the post makes sense. if you replace "hem" by lemons in the first sentence, the post makes even more sense. how do you not get that? or alternatively, why would you pretend not to get that? the only reason my read on you isn't gonna flip is because i had a protect on you and as i said that's a soft clear in light of no night kill

i do get it, or at least i get what you're going for. i believe that you didn't mix up rolestopper and roleblocker at the time of your claim, sure. what i'm saying is that i think you forgot the specific function of your night action

at the time that you outed your target

, because you had a narrative in mind that you wanted to construct -- one which incriminates hem, and which implicates me when you flip scum. convenient.

when you send in your night action, you specifically target

one person

, and yes i do find it kind of hard to believe that you would forget who that one specific person was. i think hem was what slipped out because he was on your mind, because even though he wasn't your "target",

your action was more about harming hem than protecting me.

i think town!osuka would have been markedly less likely to make this mistake.

there is never going to be a way to prove conclusively whether you would or would not have made this mistake as town. but as i've said, flipping your slot is going to give us a lot of information either way. if you flip red, great. and even if you flip green, that

still

gives us a solid lead on hem and provides us with a frame of reference for what other PRs are more or less likely to coexist in the same game.

and lastly, why does it even have to be hem who shot at me? if the aim is simply to incriminate you and kill two birds with one stone, wouldn't

any

scum seize the same opportunity?

it's fair to say that any scum couldve shot you, but hem has all the more reason to implicate me - implicating me, whether or not i get mislynched today, is at odds with incriminating himself because i think most everyone would find it hard to imagine a universe where we're scumbuddies. so, even if for the long run, making me look bad makes him ever so slightly safer from town