Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Egix96]

I'm awake, hi.

[Egix96]

day roles

like if bugspray is a day tracker who wants to catch a day cop so needs advice from their partners in crime

Anya, is this your first mini normal? Might explain this, but 48 suggests otherwise.

[Egix96]

i was gonna lie and say i'm a wolf but fine i'll be honest for you i'm town

LMAO not sure I believe you but ok. Cause as wolf you said you were town, thus saying "im town" and telling us you were gonna claim wolf... mind games.

Felt like trying to make something out of nothing at first, but looking further back changed my mind. Not sure if scum would be so cheery coming into a game.

[Egix96]

nope

Gotteem
VOTE: Anya

[Egix96]

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

Fair point for choof, but I feel like Lemons' 95 is pretty much stating the obvious.

[Egix96]

im fairly certain i can ignore all of day 1...

D1 posting may not seem significant in the moment, but I always find it useful to look back on from D2 forward.

[Egix96]

I

mean, that's kinda just how i play?

I don't want to be "making reads" or anything until I feel like there's enough substance or posts that standout to me to do so. So far all that's stood out was that bloody VT claim and Choof's posting which looks towny to me

That possibility is why I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but as it stands so far, you still don't yet seem much different from our last game.

[Egix96]

Anyway, choof does have a point.

VOTE: T3

And no, the irony is not lost on me.

[Egix96]

I

mean, that's kinda just how i play?

I don't want to be "making reads" or anything until I feel like there's enough substance or posts that standout to me to do so. So far all that's stood out was that bloody VT claim and Choof's posting which looks towny to me

That possibility is why I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but as it stands so far, you still don't yet seem much different from our last game.

There has barely been anything AI so far, and I've commented on the things that I've felt have been

Well yeah, as I said. Benefit of the doubt.

[Egix96]

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I thought the point Andante was trying to make was that Ivyeo was making posts that, even if made with the intention of being helpful, did not really do much to advance the game.

[Egix96]

vibe check:
Anya - scum read x2
bugspray - town read
T3 -
Andante - scum read
geraintm -
Ivyeo -
Egix96 -
osuka - scum read
choof -
Dunnstral - town read
InsidiousLemons -
Umlaut - town read

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now, I don't think there's enough information to go divide the town into two wagons, but I also want everyone to use their votes and see where the game state leads. I'm also trying to be more familiar with everybody right now. Anya feels like scum trying to look like town, while also the player who looks like they're playing a scum wincon the most. I got this vibe from bringing up town roles so early in a very fishy way "for reaction", and how she's been using RVS information so far.

Ask me anything.

For the time being, I'm mainly doing my own thing. I'm not much of a leader type - mostly on D1 I just comment on whatever takes my fancy.

I'm curious about why you were starting off scumreading Anda on vibes, but then saying she could be town after she made a couple of quick posts. By which I mean, what was going through your mind during that?
I also wonder if you could say more about osuka and Dunn. Admittedly I still need to have a proper look at osu but I don't think Dunn has said much in the way of NAI stuff so far.

[Egix96]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

I thought you already stated a read on Anda though? Is something making you reconsider?

[Egix96]

I still need to have a proper look at osu

Have now. Would say town at a guess but it's a super weak lean.

[Egix96]

I still need to have a proper look at osu

Have now. Would say town at a guess but it's a super weak lean.

what makes you think osuka town? ( I know you said it's a weak read)

Spoiler: Title of this song

[Egix96]

humaneatingmonkey (4): Umlaut, Anya, geraintm, InsidiousLemons
osuka (2): Bugspray, Ivyeo
Umlaut (1): geraintm
Anya (1): choof
geraintm (1): Andante
T3 (1): Egix96
Andante (1): osuka

With 12 players, how many are the mafia? 3?

Fwiw, I've only played one 12p mini before, but yes it had three scum.

You being top wagon doesn't feel like a good idea to me. I need to catch up anyway.

[Egix96]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Egix96]

I'll speak when I have meaningful things to say, but you're forcing my hand into typing more than I'd want to by going off on me.

If playing the game of mafia isn't taking you out of your comfort zone, that's a bad thing

[Egix96]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

Regarding 106/166

Even if those votes didn't have a lot to work from, I do feel like they were made with an intent to help move the game along.

[Egix96]

I would be quite surprised if Andante flips scum (though I disagree pretty thorougly with her Anya read)

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I agree with Anya's "cheap vote" characterization here. Egix, if you think Dunnstral is the most likely scum I expect you to come back and explain and to have more reason than you gave in this post.

The thing is that I don't have a confident SR at this point, so it's a) a vote for pressure and b) PoE. This feels like a game where the best approach is to figure out who's being towny and simply yeet the ones who aren't.

[Egix96]

Andante
Hemslot
Lemons
Umlaut?
Osuka??
For town. If you're town and wanna be on this list then you've just gotta keep on trucking.

[Egix96]

i can't express how fluffy that post is.

imagine you take a chicken breast, some distilled water, and you boiled the chicken breast with no seasoning whatsoever. it's cooked, it's edible, and it's certainly not going to kill you, but it's the blandest shit you've ever eaten in your life

426 is a boiled chicken breast

I'm willing to admit, it does feel a bit like she's in commentary mode.

[Egix96]

Andante
Hemslot
Lemons
Umlaut?
Osuka??
For town. If you're town and wanna be on this list then you've just gotta keep on trucking.

why are there two question marks attached to my name

See 324

[Egix96]

why is it a super weak lean

Mixture of me feeling mild town vibes from 237, but at the same time kinda not liking second line of 197.

[Egix96]

why is ti strange to not want to appear scummy? i don't want to get voted off, so i want to look townie/not look scummy

There's a common school of thought that scum are more concerned about how they are perceived than town are, stemming from the idea that an individual scum has much more reason to stay alive than a townie does.
In practice, the lines are blurred somewhat since there are often people who are naturally self-conscious. So yes, even though I can see this coming from town!you, it's not the best of looks.

it is amazing to me how i play gets so many people so worked up.
right now, i have nothing to offer the game except my claim. i find it incredibly hard/impossible to find scum day 1. i do try and get better as the game goes on though...

It's likely because they think you are dead weight, to put it frankly, and they don't trust you to improve if they let you live.
For that reason, no matter how difficult you find it, if you are town you need to put in the effort.

[Egix96]

what is the point of #540, Egix?

Just saying what's on my mind. Might not achieve much, but might as well.

[Egix96]

268 from Anya feels like a towny thought, but 46 gives me the heebie jeebies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Egix96]

What else is on your mind, buddy? I wanna know what you thought of #533.

Eh, if I had anything I particularly wanted to say about it, I would have done so by now. I'm hoping to be able to expand my town list as the Day progresses.

[Egix96]

If you could also share your thoughts on Monkey vs Lemons and Monkey vs osuka, that would be good.

You vs osuka just feels like a slapfight over something I don't understand. Apologies if there's something big I'm missing but yeah. Probably tvt.
Am I right in supposing that the reason you suspect Lemons is because, even though they suspect geraint, they are voting you instead because they see it as an easier way out in this gamestate? If so, yeah, that's not really a good look.

[Egix96]

What's the difference between Dunn and you? Both of you seem like you're playing passively, but you seem to think he's worth the pressure.

I'm trying though
I actually have a couple of prior games with Dunnstral but they're both from 2018. Even so I think he's capable of being more active than this.

[Egix96]

i'll be very honest, Lemons. I don't think I can get much out of a 1 on 1 with you. My reason for wanting you lynched is inconsistency but

your sudden self-aware comeback was enough to soften me up

. I've already caught you being inconsistent once, so I don't think by tunneling you, I can put you in a position where I can be confident you're scum or confident that you're town.

This means 552, yeah? You don't think they were just trying to placate you? Because that's what it sorta feels like to me.

[Egix96]

52 is a joke and so is this post

it's a joke with a purpose, i believe that. i've seen scum attempt to subtly characterize themselves as harmless and simple-minded very often, and i know that anya does not fit that description

choof is looking more town to me. i reread a bit and i don't think 102 is that bad. while i do disagree with the content of the post, i don't necessarily think it indicates a scum mindset. the anya vote that had to be prompted sucks, but choof has been making consistent attempts to engage and provoke discussion or argument, and that's enough for me to think my vote is better used elsewhere for the time being

.

127 is a good post from umlaut. his others don't ping for me either, so townlean for now.

anya null so far but this does look similar to her scumplay last game. she's posting very safely

andante's arguments are lacklustre but her mindset feels similar to her townplay last game. i don't see a reason to believe this is scum yet, although i question why she preferred anya as town over ivy on page ~7

@andante can you point to any specific posts from anya that you think are town

T3 is a woefully unengaged player because he's stretched himself too thin signing up for almost every game on the site. i'm not really sure how to fix this because even running him up last game didn't convince him to try very hard

the people ragging on osuka for being impolite have a big storm coming. that said, osuka is using the same gadfly strategy he used last game, popping in to aggravate and prod without fleshing out any particular push very substantially. i don't like it

@anya what brings about your townread on T3?

@mod can we get a vc

VOTE: osuka

p-edit well that's a shame.

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

but he isn't interacting with the game. few if any of his posts contain attempts to engage directly with or question another player. calling any of what ive quoted above "content" is a gross overstatement. his posts are one-liner, hands-off observations, exclusively. he has provided almost no justification for any of his reads. he has yet to respond to a question asked of him, other than to "clarify" his read on andante.

so no, i don't really understand the irony

Fwiw @HEM these were the snippets I thought Lemons was town for before.

[Egix96]

Fwiw @HEM these were the snippets I thought Lemons was town for before.

These posts to me don't neccesarly seem towny. They have a "trying to look productive" feel to them.

Understandable.

gerain's 530 swayed me very slightly, but upon further reflection i really don't think it's any more likely that it's genuine than that it's just a ploy for towncred

How is it a ploy for towncred exactly? I think the surprise he shows there is something that would have occurred naturally and hence does not need to be faked.

This means 552, yeah? You don't think they were just trying to placate you? Because that's what it sorta feels like to me.

What's the point of all this if you don't vote Lemons, Egix?

As my next post was meant to show, I still had some pause, and I was hoping that you would respond first.

10 nulls and 2 i don't knows?

Who are the "I don't knows" then? Frankly this is disappointing.

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[Egix96]

this guy here comes in and again immediately says he'll coast? am i not supposed to be unhappy?

it's fine to be unhappy. but don't start with this juicer thing again or i will claw my eyes out

It's fine Lemons. I'm not going to be participating in making the game toxic.
But since you're here, what's what?

sorry, i thought it was customary to read the thread on a replace-in. it's 25 pages dude, just put in even a modicum of effort and form your own opinions instead of trying to tie yourself to me right out the gate

Spoiler: Holy AtE, Batman.

[Egix96]

and

do you really think that emphatically suggesting a replacement read the thread is AtE?

they come in here saying they're going to coast (which is also how they started off the last game i played with them) and

trying multiple times to piggyback off of others' opinions

. how am i supposed to react?

1. Not so much that part, but it's rather extreme to talk about clawing your own eyes out, wouldn't you think?
2. Why are you accusing VFP of something they haven't even done yet? As far as I can tell, they just want to talk to you.

[Egix96]

hi andante hi anya hi t3

hi insidiouslemons

i'm glad i don't have to pretend to call you a wolf

when you're writing down towny essays

unless YOU'RE the wolf this time

@ osuka
The phrasing of this part feels awkward/scumslip-ish

[Egix96]

I've been having a look through Ivyeo.
Although her early posts this game don't leave a good first impression, and it did take some pressure for her to start laying out her reads (227), I quite like the attitude she shows in 311 and 420.
Not just in a vacuum, but I also had a look through her D1 posts in Creatures. Although she does show an "attitude" in posts such as here and here, it feels like quite a different kind. For that, I'm thinking she's maybe town here.

[Egix96]

nvm osuka hs redeemed himself.

Why did you vote him in the first place?

[Egix96]

I'm feeling a bit better about Anya from her four most recent posts. She feels like she's acting by herself.

[Egix96]

I've been having a look through Ivyeo.
Although her early posts this game don't leave a good first impression, and it did take some pressure for her to start laying out her reads (227), I quite like the attitude she shows in 311 and 420.
Not just in a vacuum, but I also had a look through her D1 posts in Creatures. Although she does show an "attitude" in posts such as here and here, it feels like quite a different kind. For that, I'm thinking she's maybe town here.

can you be a bit more specific about what you see in ivy's scum play in creatures vs her play in this game? what do you mean by "attitude"? i agree with the points you make about her this game, but to me the two posts you linked from the other game don't feel markedly less hostile or aggressive, or very divergent in general from her playstyle here.

It's like, when I got to the "we want to execute our most likely scum do we not?" part, I felt like, "oh, that feels different". Similarly for the first line of the latter post, the tone of that part just felt different.

[Egix96]

I'm feeling a bit better about Anya from her four most recent posts. She feels like she's acting by herself.

can you write a 500 word essay on each post on why it's town

The way you were vote hopping feels like you're off just doing your own thing rather than trying to serve some sort of agenda.
Admittedly I could have phrased that earlier post a bit better, I really meant the first and fourth of them.

[Egix96]

I've been having a look through Ivyeo.
Although her early posts this game don't leave a good first impression, and it did take some pressure for her to start laying out her reads (227), I quite like the attitude she shows in 311 and 420.
Not just in a vacuum, but I also had a look through her D1 posts in Creatures. Although she does show an "attitude" in posts such as here and here, it feels like quite a different kind. For that, I'm thinking she's maybe town here.

can you be a bit more specific about what you see in ivy's scum play in creatures vs her play in this game? what do you mean by "attitude"? i agree with the points you make about her this game, but to me the two posts you linked from the other game don't feel markedly less hostile or aggressive, or very divergent in general from her playstyle here.

It's like, when I got to the "we want to execute our most likely scum do we not?" part, I felt like, "oh, that feels different". Similarly for the first line of the latter post, the tone of that part just felt different.

"different" isn't a super helpful qualifier here. more aggressive? less? more to the point? stating the obvious? i want to know

what

is different in your eyes

The posts from the Newbie game just felt more... insidious, I guess I would say?
In all honesty though, this doesn't seem like a very productive line of questioning and I get the feeling you're trying to look curious for the sake of it.

[Egix96]

I'm fine with voting bugspray, but I'd rather yeet Lemons or Dunn.

[Egix96]

I don't scumread bugspray but I also didn't like Anya's vote.

Yet you vote bugspray anyway??

[Egix96]

bugspray is meme status if town

has to be wolf right

Change bug to Dunn and that's how I feel.

[Egix96]

People have declared intent to vote here. Prove it. VOTE: osuka

I think the point's been proven. Feels too easy to be a scum yeet.

[Egix96]

VOTE: bugspray

Grumble grumble

[Egix96]

I think the point's been proven. Feels too easy to be a scum yeet.

do you think scum elims are supposed to be harder?

Yeah. It's tough to fight against their will.

[Egix96]

Yeah. It's tough to fight against their will.

Scum bussing exists. What do you think would have happened if osuka was scum here?

Not as many people would have voted him in such a relatively short span of time.

[Egix96]

Not as many people would have voted him in such a relatively short span of time.

Scum bussing exists.

^
granted, i don't know how much i buy that scum would bus osuka here so readily, but you don't really do much to respond to this, egix

Just giving my two cents. And I'm pretty sure I can handle the flak if I'm wrong here.

[Egix96]

let me ask this another way: what makes

you

believe that scum wouldn't bus here?

It's day one. The longer they can all stay alive, the harder it is to find them all.

[Egix96]

egix called me up last night and confessed he was a hyena

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Egix96]

yeah i think it's a townfall from monkey and lemons doesn't believe what he's saying

I'm still catching up ATM, but are you sure about that?

[Egix96]

Sort of back but it's going to be a while before I can read 20 pages and it sounds like we don't have a while

What is VC / what are leading wagons?

The burning question right now is whether or not you think HEM scumslipped

[Egix96]

Eigx who are you willing to lim?

I'm leaning towards hem's slip being scum so I'm willing to vote hem

[Egix96]

votecount #10, day one

Geraintm (1): Umlaut
Bugspray (2): Dunnstral, T3

Dunnstral (6) [E-1]: humaneatingmonkey, VFP, Egix96, Geraintm, Ivyeo, bugspray

humaneatingmonkey (2): InsidiousLemons, osuka
InsidiousLemons (1): Anya

With 12 alive it takes 7 to flip.
(expired on 2021-05-23 09:33:00) until deadline.

Wait this is not what I was expecting the votecount to be

[Egix96]

Like, I could see a streak of red but assumed it was on hem

[Egix96]

oh my fucking god are you guys really morphing reality just to say I scum slipped

I mean, if you were supposed to be responding to a different post that what was assumed, why not say it at the time? Iirc you didn't do that until much later

[Egix96]

I really can't imagine a setup where scum is informed that every single PR has a private topic. Well, I can imagine it but it would be such a terrible setup that I'm rejecting it out of hand. So HEM can't possibly be "slipping" something if it isn't actually true. I don't think we can read into that one way or the other.

VOTE: bugspray for the sake of being contrarian, on balance I have a gut feeling Dunn flips green in which case we learn pretty much nothing from his death whereas (1) I don't have a similar feeling with bugspray and (2) even if town at least they've generated enough associatives that we get usable information from the flip. I considered going back to HEM but he's towned up quite a bit IMO

I don't think you quite understand.
Hem later tried to claim that they were responding to a post from the bottom of the previous page.

[Egix96]

"so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?"
is this a question? yes

"maybe scum has informed roles that know something about town roles and hoods/pts."
is this a question? no.

"They don't. I just made a mistake."
is this an answer to a question? yes.

May not be a question, but sure as heck could be interpreted as one.

[Egix96]

what until much later? bugspray spammed the space in which I could have placed the post in it.

The thing I said you should have done at the time...

[Egix96]

May not be a question, but sure as heck could be interpreted as one.

Oh okay. So you really think I would answer "a question that could be interpreted as one" that could have obviously implicated me as scum RATHER than the OBVIOUS QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME?

Really? Really you believe this?

Idk, maybe I'm just being a gullible <insert preferred self-deprecating term here>
I haven't been getting enough sleep to be able to think straight about all this

[Egix96]

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

it's an answer to another question

In case my 1074 was phrased poorly, I was referring to this

[Egix96]

Idk, maybe I'm just being a gullible
I haven't been getting enough sleep to be able to think straight about all this

Then think about it. Because it's an obvious scum move to push that it's a slip and it's only bugs or you that I will believe made a genuine mistake here.

So you think Lemons is scum now?

[Egix96]

I really can't imagine a setup where scum is informed that every single PR has a private topic. Well, I can imagine it but it would be such a terrible setup that I'm rejecting it out of hand. So HEM can't possibly be "slipping" something if it isn't actually true. I don't think we can read into that one way or the other.

VOTE: bugspray for the sake of being contrarian, on balance I have a gut feeling Dunn flips green in which case we learn pretty much nothing from his death whereas (1) I don't have a similar feeling with bugspray and (2) even if town at least they've generated enough associatives that we get usable information from the flip. I considered going back to HEM but he's towned up quite a bit IMO

I don't think you quite understand.
Hem later tried to claim that they were responding to a post from the bottom of the previous page.

Okay, and? Even if 903

were

hypothetically responding to 901 that wouldn't be a very convincing slip.

Why not?

[Egix96]

Sigh yeah you might have a point there.

[Egix96]

bugspray, wake up and claim

That's my only issue with this plan... I don't think we're getting one:
And if we do and don't want to exec it we won't really have time to switch

Enough people already have claimed.
I intend to hammer.

[Egix96]

VOTE: bugspray

Just making sure it's a real maj

[Egix96]

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

Anya and Umlaut are conftown to me.

I have re-read about 2/3 of the thread so far. While I agree on the conftowns, I was actually clearing Lemons based on posts 140, 343, 628, 700, and 717.

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T3's vote on bugspray in 742 seems like an obvious bus because I still don't see how it makes sense from the perspective of someone who doesn't know bug's alignment.

VOTE: T3

I'm also suspecting Ivyeo now due to her not having good associatives with bug - not only for her read on them as given in 227 (maintained in 233) but also 178 and 234 feeling like they could have been made with the purpose of encouraging a buddy to produce more content.

[Egix96]

VOTE: bugspray

Just making sure it's a real maj

What does this mean btw?

I wasn't 100% sure there had been a hammer, so I added one more vote just to be safe.

[Egix96]

For osu to be scum, that would mean scum pulled a no-kill gambit right?

[Egix96]

Geraintm only gets partial credit since Egix had already given intent to hammer.

If there is scum on the Bugspray wagon it is T3 or Geraintm.

Fwiw I don't see much town motivation in Geraint quickhammering as soon as he was awake.
Yes, agreed.

[Egix96]

within the context of this game tho, looking back at 757 and 763 makes me doubt T3 and bugspray go together. this doesn't look like distancing to me. T3 is probably town here

forgive me for not finding those posts particularly memorable lol

Sry but I really don't get how those posts would preclude T3 from being scum. The first is a weak meta argument and the second is just an objective statement.

[Egix96]

VOTE: osuka

okay, well, this is my tail tucked between my legs moment. i have been facepalming for the past 2 days at how obviously ridiculous osuka's push on hem was. i understand that osuka and i are both obvscum here, the only issue is that i'm not scum. i may have been stupid enough to believe the scumslip push, but i don't believe osuka is. i've seen his reasoning and it is never this overtly wrong. frankly i'm kind of surprised he thinks this push is still viable at all. yes, i understand how absolutely dripping in scum vibes it is to say all this as someone who hopped on the hem wagon. i'm saying it anyway. i really do not have an explanation for why i fell for the scumslip push other than that i was kinda tunneled on hem and really wanted to have found scum. if you still want to lim me tomorrow, do it. you'll have the votes i'm sure.

going back over the ISOs i think VFP could have partner equity with osuka. it's very rare (at least in my experience) to be able to find comments from osuka that overtly point to distancing with no grey area, so take this with a generous grain of salt, but osuka took multiple opportunities to take swipes at andante early in the game, knowing that she was playing pretty much identically to last game (when she was town). taken together with the post where he says he agreed with my early game analysis of andante, there is a case to be made for distancing here. i cant quote right now because mobile but you'll find them if you look. he'll probably counter that he was trying to see if she would react the same way to pressure, which is valid, but again, things are rarely black or white with osuka. VFP coming in and immediately saying he'll coast again could also be taken as VFP creating an opportunity for osuka to distance. again, the case is thin, but this is all my search for possible osuka partners really turned up. scum!Dunn is still a possibility and he didn't really have enough interaction to say whether there's equity there or not.

hem, it is kind of bizarre to me that you're going for me first over osuka. in your "if dunn is scum" scenario, why do you think i'm the scum over osuka?

anyway, hem is all but conftown for the quick flip onto bugs. the fact that osuka is continuing to push him even after the flip is even more damning.

Well I believed the push too for a while, but you don't see me making such a fuss about it...

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Egix for trying to look part of it.

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Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh

lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense

while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

Err no, I don't think it is/does.

[Egix96]

your head isn't on the chopping block

Yeah but it read like you knew you were gonna look bad before the thread even opened.

[Egix96]

don't like how under the satellite gera and hyena are being right now

I feel like I'm trying to tap on the wall of a glass house but the people inside can't hear me.

Okay, to put it in less metaphorical terms: I think that osuka is town, and I do think that Lemons had good associations with bugspray but their entrance to this Day is not good.

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speak of the hyena

do you think town osuka tries to protect lemons after yesterday?

If he thought that Lemons was clear for the same reason I did, then yes.

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How many elims do we have before LYLO?

2 by my count, assuming 2 remaining scum who successfully kill every night.

9v2, miselim + NK > 7v2, miselim + NK > 5v2 (LyLo)

also i know it isn't intentional but i'm gonna remind you that "lynch" is not used anymore

Elo comes at 3v2, not 5v2.

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If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

dunnstral has posted only 29 times in a 54 page game and that's fucking inexcusable, but he _is_ making sense and i suppose that makes his sense to post ratio the highest i've ever seen

^^

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I think osuka and lemons are both town.

What changed your mind about Lemons?

[Egix96]

Cook, flip this slot.

No lemme catch up first

[Egix96]

Voting Osuka would be a mistake here: The wagon state from yesterday and their currently uncc'd claim and nightkill prevention are all reasons not to vote for them. Voting lemons would be a mistake for similar reasons

Exactly

[Egix96]

I think osuka and lemons are both town.

What changed your mind about Lemons?

Good wallposts.

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I don't think we were going to be able to change course really if they were town, and if they're scum then we shouldn't dwell on it ethier.

Yeah but I'm just worried this might be one of those games where you yeet scum D1 but still lose due to a cavalcade of misyeets.

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how are your juicers going, vfp? coasting smoothly?

this guy here comes in and again immediately says he'll coast? am i not supposed to be unhappy?

I'm also going to point out that generally Osuka will know his buddies, and the informative is probably that.
Osuka doesn't just try this as S/S even more so without me knowing.

What do you mean by "generally"?

Why did you target HEM?

[Egix96]

For anyone here who remembers Big Four Mafia, this kinda reminds me of when Scum Alchemist claimed a PT cop guilty on an obvious Mason pair.

[Egix96]

Egix, who did you target N1?

No one. I'm even night.

[Egix96]

#124 & #126 & #132 could be early evidence that Andante is PR or at least trying to give the impression that they're PR.

Imho those are fairly standard posts and I wouldn't take them to be PR softs.

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(Is game over?)

[Egix96]

VOTE: VFP

That should make sure, I think.

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If it helps Human, my side of the PT was mainly Mason hunting since that was our information given from Bugs.

I did at 1 point have Ivy as a traitor funny enough.
Osuka as rolestopper, you as Mason and Uma as Mason.

Pretty wrong overall I guess!
My goal on killing Uma was to reveal and clear you and Anya, then kill Anya followed by you if it were an option. But that fell apart pretty quickly on a VT flip!

I wonder if anyone noticed my crumb.

Anyway, GG all, thanks for the game!

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I wonder if anyone noticed my crumb.

what was the crumb

Spoiler:

My first three posts were meant to spell out "I AM FN"