Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Anya]

so i'm not sure why i accepted the invite from cook to this holiday home bc i don't know them at all and i don't know many of you either

flight was really expensive as well

[Anya]

true! but cook's trying to make us play card games indoors smh

[Anya]

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

[Anya]

VOTE: choof

no speaking while we close our eyes and do our actions

[Anya]

the last thing you want to do when at someone else's

probably stolen

vacation home with minimal luggage while being forced to play card games is to try and run

see i knew this was some kind of murder mystery hostage situation

one of those if you die in the mafia game you die in real life things

[Anya]

i was gonna lie and say i'm a wolf but fine i'll be honest for you i'm town

[Anya]

hi andante hi anya hi t3

hi insidiouslemons

i'm glad i don't have to pretend to call you a wolf when you're writing down towny essays

unless YOU'RE the wolf this time

[Anya]

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

No, because:

Flavor has no effect on the game.

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

...Kind of feels like you just pulled out random roles to call creative

is this one wolf communicating their roles to another wolf

maybe they can't talk and have to use the vulnerability of public communication

[Anya]

VOTE: umlaut

why haven't you claimed town mailman?

[Anya]

i was gonna lie and say i'm a wolf but fine i'll be honest for you i'm town

LMAO not sure I believe you but ok. Cause as wolf you said you were town, thus saying "im town" and telling us you were gonna claim wolf... mind games.

that's like 15 layers of trickery no way i can think that far ahead let's be reasonable here andante

[Anya]

VOTE: Dunnatral

i will support the raccoon

[Anya]

no one's died yet which means no one's guilty

maybe we should just lay down our arms and have that nice scummer vacation my arms are tired anyway

[Anya]

yes it's a rule they have you can't roll wolf if you rolled town last game

[Anya]

why? is it bc you and andante are the wolf team closing in while the mafia team of umlaut and osuka lay on top the buildings with snipers? just kill each other instead of us

[Anya]

day roles

like if bugspray is a day tracker who wants to catch a day cop so needs advice from their partners in crime

[Anya]

idk they weren't in my previous games here but you can't rule them out

[Anya]

day roles but no day talk?

how do you know?

[Anya]

bc they both have "day" in them? i don't really see the correlation on this stock

[Anya]

anyway it says any PT will have daytalk which is an interesting way of putting it

it means wolves could just have no PT and therefore no talk at all and no daytalk

i think cook would just say wolves have daytalk if it were that simple

[Anya]

nonetheless we're voting together

bugspray encouraging lemons to vote together this game?

[Anya]

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

[Anya]

VOTE: lemons

more essays please

[Anya]

nope

[Anya]

VOTE: Anya
for stealing my sentence

i'll sheep this VOTE: Anya

[Anya]

nope

Gotteem
VOTE: Anya

i'll sheep this VOTE: Anya

[Anya]

anya has said some weird shit like, a couple times now

in the one other game i played with her she wasn't so wanton with her accusations and theory crafting right out the gate. she was scum that game. it's early, but i wonder if this might indicate that she feels she has less to lose this game.

68 is a little weird because it kind of implies that even after a year on the site, anya doesn't know there's a standard list of normal roles, but it doesn't feel

that

out of character for her. for the record, the day modifier

is

considered normal on MS, provided the role that it applies to is also considered normal.

52, on the other hand, is just bad. anya is a competent and capable scum player and should be treated as such. i am wary of attempts to disarm like this.

not exactly like your essays of old but your stock is rising good job apples

[Anya]

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

I was going to ask if this was on the basis of just 95 and 98 since they were the only gamestate-advancing posts I could see by them but looking back on the thread I guess you're right that that still puts them above average.

I actually disagree with Egix in 108, Lemons' post seems like actually trying to understand and read Anya whereas Choof was just poking at me for something they would have understood already if they read the thread (and did understand a few posts later in 102)

Anya wagon is bad, I offer an alternative:

VOTE: choof

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

raccoon you seem like town this time i want to trust you and never look back

VOTE: choof

[Anya]

i was kidding about the daytalk and multiple teams stuff btw i read the setup post before the game started

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

[Anya]

t4 is so towny it hurts my eyes to stare i don't know what you all are on about

[Anya]

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

Why does this feel like rolefishing. like, the game has just begun...

???????????????????

??????????????????????????????

[Anya]

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

Can you elaborate on this?

i was posting random theories to see how people would react

[Anya]

Also, that theory seems dumb anyway. Why do mafia need to communicate that they're rolecop/tracker/neighbors during the day, instead of night 1?

day roles but no day talk?

how do you know?

I mean, that's what you're saying you thought was a possibility.

I don't think the thinking makes sense for a first assumption

he expressed doubt about my ethics while correcting my homework but doesn't overdo it or try and be an opportunity seeker felt like the right amount

[Anya]

T4 hadn't posted yet apples

why did choof replace out on principle? i feel like i'm missing the prose

[Anya]

where did oscaruka even troll them though i can't find it

[Anya]

nice to see you bugs

before i read the game in full, the first three people who would tell me what's going on is town

cook kidnapped us and is forcing us to play card games inside their holiday home

[Anya]

rejected

[Anya]

why do you eat humans

[Anya]

to have fun

you feel like you're trying to put on a play at the opera

[Anya]

i am check your cigar

[Anya]

that "you're not even voting me" shadow casting is premature for me saying one opinion on you

you seem eager to blow smoke over me

[Anya]

i like the ivy vines and the apples growing on my tree and also the scarfed dog perched on a branch oh and also the raccoon nested up there it's a beautiful scene

andante constant back and forth and paranoia over me feels really non-virtual

the monkey eater meanwhile is roaming around in my garden digging random holes in the ground and chucking mud at my window i don't like it

[Anya]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

cheap vote the sort i'd find in a discount store having a summer sale

VOTE: Egix

[Anya]

i'll do the deep analysis for you andante
ivy vines = ivyeo
apples = lemons
scarfed dog = andante
raccoon = umlaut

[Anya]

the raccoon wasn't town for defending me i'm not an empty glass of orange juice it's bc the analysis was good and better than anything i saw from him in a game where he was wolf

[Anya]

i'm not flipping through past pages right now but based on memory

ivy vines = seems open
apples = analysis from centre of tennis court not quick to side
scarfed dog = tryharding town
raccoon = good analysis

[Anya]

I'll speak when I have meaningful things to say, but you're forcing my hand into typing more than I'd want to by going off on me.

ivy vines is town probably just for this

[Anya]

boxxy and Egix not sure

VOTE: monkeyeater dislike this scurrier more though

[Anya]

monkeyeater why'd you stop pointing the flags at me?

[Anya]

I would be quite surprised if Andante flips scum (though I disagree pretty thorougly with her Anya read)

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I agree with Anya's "cheap vote" characterization here. Egix, if you think Dunnstral is the most likely scum I expect you to come back and explain and to have more reason than you gave in this post.

The thing is that I don't have a confident SR at this point, so it's a) a vote for pressure and b) PoE. This feels like a game where the best approach is to figure out who's being towny and simply yeet the ones who aren't.

Andante
Hemslot
Lemons
Umlaut?
Osuka??
For town. If you're town and wanna be on this list then you've just gotta keep on trucking.

i dunno how Egix is trying to poe when he has 5 ideals in 12 specimens and two are unsure

poe statement doesn't reflect his actual collection of friends

that list notice also feels like putting up bounties on non-existent cases

VOTE: Egix

[Anya]

gera does feel like town again maybe could be

[Anya]

it's not my birthday i don't know why that cake's there lol

[Anya]

oh thanks

[Anya]

VOTE: bugspray

less spraying and more voting this canister doesn't feel organic to me

[Anya]

welcome back dolphin

[Anya]

raccoon raises a really good point about piranha but i'm still not sold on orangutan yet

[Anya]

I would appreciate more from you, Dunn. I have no idea where you are on each players and the events that came about. Please man. I need to sort you.

VOTE: monkeyhuman

this banana's desperation to read Dunnstral is more motivation than most people have towards life goals i don't believe it

[Anya]

I'm feeling a bit better about Anya from her four most recent posts. She feels like she's acting by herself.

can you write a 500 word essay on each post on why it's town

[Anya]

this banana's desperation to read Dunnstral is more motivation than most people have towards life goals i don't believe it

and you're not desperate and having a hard time with this game yourself?

the "please man. i need to sort you." is what broke my camel's back and the medical fees are steep

[Anya]

@Anya why are you suspicious enough of monkey's desire to read dunnstral that you're voting him, but didn't bother to comment when i was so desperate for info from T3?

i don't remember that but probably the tone

[Anya]

VOTE: bugspray

fiiine reading over the cannister they're 10% hit and 90% miss

[Anya]

no one said the cannister was wolf for not being here last night though feels like an excuse to give an excuse

[Anya]

i'll sheep the monk if bugspray doesn't happen i've come round on his ways

[Anya]

bugspray is meme status if town

has to be wolf right

[Anya]

yes and yes and i'd also like an analysis on the game and who you think are the wolves every votecount

[Anya]

true the whole archive is probably overkill

[Anya]

It was moderna not Pfizer but I'm gonna eat a food I really like for breakfast and catch up

come on this cannister is laughing at us while they forever delay until they get the "perfect grinder of food inside their belly so they can perform a good read"

[Anya]

it's a townfall if anything

the cannister is spraying again

[Anya]

osuka has maybe a little more rage blood this time compared to last where he was wolf

[Anya]

that mod post is actually encouraging players to not move to other wagons or it makes it harder for osuka to get votes off him since we can't see the other options

tut tut cook

[Anya]

it also makes it slightly more likely osuka is town bc cook might care a little for his criminal players while a town brutal execution is just "on the cards" so whatever

am i breaking rules here?

[Anya]

egix called me up last night and confessed he was a hyena

he said he wanted to get some things off his chest and that he's committed murder before and that he hopes he can trust his secret with me

well i'm only friends with one person egix and that's the law

VOTE: egix

[Anya]

true apples i'll drop it for the chef

[Anya]

egix called me up last night and confessed he was a hyena

he said he wanted to get some things off his chest and that he's committed murder before and that he hopes he can trust his secret with me

well i'm only friends with one person egix and that's the law

VOTE: egix

what is your actual reason here

he's a hyena what else

[Anya]

looking for the scraps and low blows to push and pick it at

[Anya]

*pick at

[Anya]

yeah cook would be a likely partner for Dunnstral

[Anya]

don't you give me that look while slyly voting for dunnstral egix

[Anya]

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

don't be ridiculous apples

if that's the case then this question went completely unanswered when it's obviously the more important question being asked

like obviously monkeyman is answering that one rather than answering another which involves him admitting he knows about black market secrets

tempted to vote you for that actually

infact i think this apple has a worm in it VOTE: lemons

[Anya]

yeah i think it's a townfall from monkey and lemons doesn't believe what he's saying

[Anya]

UNVOTE: Nevermind, I thought all PRs will have daytalk

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

They don't.

s c u m s l i p

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

this is what I remembered and I thought Dunn was zeroing in on the roles available to this game.

I misunderstood that PT and PR are the same

isn't this the obvious sequence of events

bugspray says what pr = pt confusion etc

monkeyeatingbanana replies with 903

bugspray replies with sCuMsLiP

monkey eater clarifies further

[Anya]

when town falls over clumsily revealing their town license that fell out of their pocket

[Anya]

UNVOTE: Nevermind, I thought all PRs will have daytalk

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

They don't.

s c u m s l i p

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

this is what I remembered and I thought Dunn was zeroing in on the roles available to this game.

I misunderstood that PT and PR are the same

isn't this the obvious sequence of events

bugspray says what pr = pt confusion etc

monkeyeatingbanana replies with 903

bugspray replies with sCuMsLiP

monkey eater clarifies further

> 898
> 899
> conveniently cuts out 900-902
> 903
> 904
> 905

"isn't this the obvious sequence of events?"

those are bugspray posts where the misunderstanding arises from

i'm showing the obvious sequence for the context that matters monkeyeater is replying to the pr/pt misunderstanding and not being incredibly careless i mean come on

so silly

[Anya]

UNVOTE: Nevermind, I thought all PRs will have daytalk

this was the original justification of the confusions apples not in 905

ivy vines

[Anya]

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

maybe scum has informed roles that know something about town roles and hoods/pts.

scum!traffic analyst would be a really cool role tbh

They don't. I just made a mistake.

one bugspray post is a direct question to monkeyeater and the other is a thought that they aren't asking anyone

i

wonder

which post monkeyeater was replying to in his next post

what a grand mystery i wish there was an easy answer to this question

[Anya]

ivy vines

?

just happy to see you

[Anya]

We're running out of time, everyone online give 3 names they'd be willing to go for today,
[Dunn, Lemons, Gera]

lemons, egix, sheep ivy

[Anya]

i think trying to hit a wolf is always better personally

[Anya]

yeah i think it's a townfall from monkey and lemons doesn't believe what he's saying

I'm still catching up ATM, but are you sure about that?

yeah?

what purpose serves this question about your partner in crime hyena

[Anya]

VOTE: bugspray

[Anya]

wait hyena's partner is apples not monkey

i forgot the subject matter

[Anya]

Cook is a changed

organism

what happened here? did the feds get involved

yes

[Anya]

I'm kind of okay with just saying me-Anya-HEM-Ivy-Dunnstral-Egix is town and launching everyone else in whatever order is convenient

i agree with all of these other than the hyena not sure why he's in the soup

[Anya]

VOTE: osuka for the monkeyeater vote

i don't think a town could be so deep in a miner's tunnel that he still doesn't realise the monkeyman is a beacon of light after yesterday

one of him or apples but not both don't think all 3 wolves go for the slip push thing

[Anya]

so you're saying you're completely incapable of parsing a run-on sentence?

VOTE: osuka
this kind of post can only be made by scum

a disgusting porportion of osuka's posting is literally just being an unwiped asshole to other players. these types of non constructive posts should

never

be made by intelligent town players who are playing to their win condition. osuka is clearly not an idiot and therefore the only rational explanation is that the slot is scum.

wait i forgot that bugspray hired an air balloon advertising they weren't partners with osuka

VOTE: lemons

[Anya]

usually wolves don't just all align obviously like that it seems off to their scent

[Anya]

"What do you not understand" can atleast lead to more understanding

yes it can

what's your point?

That wha you said didn't and was unhelpful

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you're just really confused

you do realize it wasn't bugspray that asked that question right

hey, please don't gaslight people under any conditions ever. it's not okay

this as well

i dunno if bugspray is that good of a musician

[Anya]

gera could easily be driving without a seat belt as well

it's no longer day 1 gera so i wanna see some power drifts

[Anya]

bugspray did the fake call-out on me when we were scum together.

link?

[Anya]

very interesting

flea please just fucking vote me already so it doesnt look like a bus

FUCK FUCK FUCK

DID I REALLY POST THAT HERE?
VOTE: bugspray

it's interesting how far bugspray goes to try and put some cities between themselves and their partners

maybe it's actually a wolf stumble for them

[Anya]

VOTE: osuka

i go for the fire arm vendors personally

[Anya]

raccoon is too happy to be wolf look at that smile

[Anya]

Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

[Anya]

don't wolves get townies confused with each other more than their partners

[Anya]

when you're a wolf all the town are just a grey dull blob to slowly extinguish with your flaming friends

the fire is usually more memorable

[Anya]

is this within Lemons scum range?

@Anya

, since you've shown that you use meta and you vouch for Lemons, would you kindly do the honors? I'm absolutely tunneled here, and even if I feel like this vulnerability could never come from scum, I'm almost certain it can. I also objectively think Lemons was outright scummy yesterday.

@Umlaut

, would you kindly tell me what you think about this one?

Lemons, is your solve osuka > VFP? Can you tell me who your solve is?

i go out looking for it maybe once in a green sun if something really interests me

not gonna go fishing for apples walls though that's too much effort

[Anya]

i did so so that HEM could not kill LEMONS

i dunno how you could believe apples was gonna die after bugspray's demise and apples not helping with that

did you "forget" to brutally murder someone to make yourself look certified

[Anya]

If nobody else claims something that can stop a kill, then osuka is not a good vote.

Also bugspray was on osuka's e-1 wagon

i have to say, i find dunnstral popping in here

just

to defend osuka, and not to comment on the flip, lack of night kill, hem, vfp, me, or

voice any other thoughts at all

, a little suspect.

while the lack of a counterclaim suggests that there are no protectives in a scum!osuka universe, that alone doesn't really dissuade me in the face of all the other evidence. especially not since, as far as i can see, osuka never even mentioned the lack of a counterclaim in the process of defending himself. you'd think an actual PR would point to that as evidence.

the point about bugspray being on osuka's wagon is a little better. for reference, here's the post where he votes:

that all said: i have no idea what the fuck the votecount is at and i'm about to go to a friend's house here so i'll be on later to figure out what the fuck is going on

i promise to be back tomorrow morning (should be about 12h from now?)

VOTE: osuka you're hammered

this post puts osuka at E-1, and is obviously not a real hammer. if he and osuka are partners, then what is the motivation for making this post? i can find one, but it's pretty convoluted; perhaps bugspray does this to:
1) distance himself from osuka while also
2) creating an opportunity for osuka to fakeclaim without needing to rely on the whim of a townie who's declared intent, and
3) stop momentum on an osuka wagon before it got to the point where an actual townie

could

declare intent

writing this out, it seems a whole lot more complex than anything else we've seen from bugspray. if this is what happened, i'd have to imagine it was osuka's idea. but why make such a risky fakeclaim gambit in the first place?

just

to take heat off the wagon in the wake of a PR claim? was he really formulating his incriminate-hem plan this far back? i have to jump through a lot of hoops to make this make sense, but it's been a long day and i'm very tired. maybe someone else can do a better job.

wouldn't the simple explanation be to distance

it's really not that complex lemons

i don't like how under the satellite gera and hyena are being right now

[Anya]

speak of the hyena

do you think town osuka tries to protect lemons after yesterday?

[Anya]

it looks so bad that it probably means t4 is town

i will now be calling him town4

[Anya]

two things are hard to believe from a town osuka rolestopper

protecting apples

and still thinking monkey is wolf

they both completely ignore the events of yesterday's lan party and the reveal of bugspray's true colours

[Anya]

Anya, what do you think of VFP's case on Umlaut?

not buying it

raccoon's town in my books as long as that smile stays strong

yeah i don't really see a briefcase from them more that your push

could

come from a wolf and you haven't been towny in other parts of the village

but you have

[Anya]

coooooooooook

[Anya]

how do you know where cook lives

[Anya]

very bold and brave assumption that everyone shares your time zone

[Anya]

good morning chef

[Anya]

maybe there's more wolves than town

[Anya]

wonder why osuka never pushed on lemons even though he was his most likely alternative

[Anya]

didn't he claim that after lemons was pushing him and was a popular wagon though

[Anya]

monkeyman -> monkeymason

vfp did you crumb your trespassing into my house?

[Anya]

ok i think you're both most likely town

why do we think the hyena is town again

[Anya]

oh interesting

dolphin what was that reason to think osuka could be town can you say it now

[Anya]

should we all claim since most roles are out now? we can probably figure out the scale measurements

[Anya]

I am not mason. VFP had a very towny reaction and so did hem.

oh

[Anya]

monkey is always town here vfp he's doing nothing but extending his inevitable demise here if wolf

we'd get him when we all claim in lylo and no one can back him up

[Anya]

don't think other mason should claim unless everyone wants to poison them

[Anya]

VOTE: Egix

[Anya]

the town pt cop makes sense with one of the wolves being a traitor right

it makes the traitor good for wolves if the pt cop checks them

[Anya]

oh interesting

dolphin what was that reason to think osuka could be town can you say it now

Because of the role design of a rolestopper and any sort of cop.
It prevents me being killed why I can still ensure checks are made.
This was my only thought on it and I wasn't pushing Osuka as town.

I think last game proved its not strange that I connect roles up.

remind me where you did it last game?

[Anya]

VOTE: vfp

yeah that does sound like too much powerings for town

[Anya]

there's no way there's that many ways to shine the spotlight on roles right

a pt cop 2 masons and a neighbour friend

[Anya]

masons and the neighbour friends are confirmed bc there's only 1 wolf left so it has to be the PT cop

[Anya]

wolf pt cop can find masons so it checks out i think

[Anya]

how would 4 wolves in a 12 player game ever be fair

they win by just getting two misbrutalexecutions if they don't nightkill traitors

that could happen like almost half the time

[Anya]

i hope monkeyman and ivy aren't actually neighbours going to a theme park and getting high

bc then vfp would be town

[Anya]

we can't have this much cop type power in the town though

no way that's balanced against 2 wolves + 1 traitor

[Anya]

2 masons and neighbour friend are confirmed town

and then PT cop potentially creates more confirmed towns

[Anya]

it is just gera if not vfp i think

[Anya]

think this wins us the pinata

[Anya]

nice! good effort dolphin

and yeah was hoping to perform some more surgery tonight if this didn't end the game

[Anya]

congrats!!! apples moving up to be pineapples in life

[Anya]

andante burned herself out by trying to post theses on each player that was never gonna be sustainable without an oil tanker on standby

[Anya]

one timezone man strikes again