Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Andante]

SUMMER TIME!!!

[Andante]

so i'm not sure why i accepted the invite from cook to this holiday home bc i don't know them at all and i don't know many of you either

flight was really expensive as well

But!!! We can go fishing!! Chill on the beach... have a good time!!

[Andante]

this sounds more like torture than a vacation...

[Andante]

murder mystery hostage situation

We should've known a vacation after being locked up for a year was too good to be true...

[Andante]

i can also put on my techno yodeling track on the home theater system, that can work too

yes i am the moderator and i am posting non seriously

impersonating the moderator!!

VOTE: Cook

(I love this so much though)

[Andante]

VOTE: choof

no speaking while we close our eyes and do our actions

close your eyes and listen to this

I can't hear it over the yodeling tracks

[Andante]

whats up who wants to cuddle and eat fruit?

Is there watermelon?

[Andante]

Hi lemons!!! Would you like some lemonade?

[Andante]

AYYYY WAIT this is a lot of the people from our last game!! omg this is gonna be great... unless vacation turns into a murder mystery

[Andante]

...Kind of feels like you just pulled out random roles to call creative

cop is the most creative role here!!!

[Andante]

i was gonna lie and say i'm a wolf but fine i'll be honest for you i'm town

LMAO not sure I believe you but ok. Cause as wolf you said you were town, thus saying "im town" and telling us you were gonna claim wolf... mind games.

[Andante]

VOTE: umlaut

why haven't you claimed town mailman?

I was saving it for a big reveal at lylo.

well... the surprise has been ruined..

[Andante]

i was gonna lie and say i'm a wolf but fine i'll be honest for you i'm town

LMAO not sure I believe you but ok. Cause as wolf you said you were town, thus saying "im town" and telling us you were gonna claim wolf... mind games.

that's like 15 layers of trickery no way i can think that far ahead let's be reasonable here andante

Sorry I have trust issues lol. I also thought this was going to be a nice summer vacation... but sounds like some of us are going to get murdered... I'm scared... Guess I'm never sleeping..

[Andante]

no one's died yet which means no one's guilty

maybe we should just lay down our arms and have that nice scummer vacation my arms are tired anyway

We can give that a try, if anything happens while I take a nap.... I'm blaming you!!

[Andante]

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

Why does this feel like rolefishing. like, the game has just begun...

[Andante]

day roles

like if bugspray is a day tracker who wants to catch a day cop so needs advice from their partners in crime

Anya, is this your first mini normal? Might explain this, but 48 suggests otherwise.

hahaha Anya is new XD

[Andante]

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

To be fair, a handful of us just came from a crazy normal game lol, Anya was 1 of 3 mafia doctors in that game, and the entire ending of that game was full of wild theories, and it was a normal game

[Andante]

anya has said some weird shit like, a couple times now

I'm beginning to think that's just Anya. And that's what we're getting regardless of alignment. That being said, I hate self votes, so idk what she's trying to accomplish

[Andante]

and you're vt right?

Please do not ask people to confirm VT claims... and if people are VT please don't claim VT. thanks.

[Andante]

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

To be fair, a handful of us just came from a crazy normal game lol, Anya was 1 of 3 mafia doctors in that game, and the entire ending of that game was full of wild theories, and it was a normal game

I'm sorry I missed this one, I love abnormal normals.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324
It was a pretty cool setup if I say so, I was informed GS, yeah. good times!

[Andante]

Tbh I don't have anything too solid read wise yet from yall I laughed at the "do you say anything but bitter one liners" and yeah. top complaint is, don't out roles. I do not care if that VT claim was serious or not, do not confirm if you were serious... tbh yall have way too much role talk, I'd love to steer away from that if possible

[Andante]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be voting Anya if they suspect her

Honestly, I'd agree with being sus of someone and not voting in that situation, like, votes were flying at Anya, and it looks like choof was trying to sort out their thoughts on Anya, like, when everyone is throwing votes on someone, I know I'll hold off on voting, logic my way through something, then vote, cause this early in the game.. I feel like we'd have people here who would speed hammer an E-1

[Andante]

perhaps this is because I don't mentally consider vanilla town to be a role in the same way that a roleblocker etc are considered roles

But see, if VTs claim, it narrows down who is PR for scum...

[Andante]

lol I was digging into the normal guidelines last game... there's some wild stuff in it lol

[Andante]

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

wasn't sure where the vote count was so here you go
VOTE: Anya

Can I hear your top reason Anya is scum? The timing of this vote feels weird to me... it comes after someone is voting you for not voting Anya, there were only a few pages of content, wasn't hard to track how many votes on after you made your case...

[Andante]

hot take: VOTE: Ivyeo

[Andante]

like yeah if the gamestate is stagnant 2 hours from deadline D2 scum probably aren't gonna try and get the ball rolling but there is zero risk straight out of RVS

lmao what? it's d1

[Andante]

I believe I've explained itt why I think Anya scummy, feel free to reread and if you run into anything that you think needs elaborating let me know

You commented on a bunch of lines, I wanted the tldr recap not "here's my thoughts on a bunch of lines"

[Andante]

hot take: VOTE: Ivyeo

serious vote btw

[Andante]

there's about 0 interactions with anyone from Ivy. 1 question to someone, entire content has been a vote with no reason attached (rvs) or informative stuff. like, just look at the Ivy iso, I'm getting bad vibes from the slot. feels like scum trying to coast by

[Andante]

You commented on a bunch of lines, I wanted the tldr recap not "here's my thoughts on a bunch of lines"

i am once again begging you to not automatically ignore and refuse to reread posts that cannot be read in <30 seconds
choof's posts on anya are not nearly long enough to merit a tldr

I mean, I think Anya is a million times better than Ivy, soooo

[Andante]

Ivy feels too scared to voice reads, thinks the generic lines are enough to get by...

[Andante]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

[Andante]

See, 0 interactions is different than scummy interactions. Like, I feel like Ivy is legit scummy

[Andante]

Andnte'sread on Ivy feels as forced as putting a squre peg into a round hole.
Umlaut town.

excuse me? There's literally nothing forced about my Ivy read. let me guess, you already haveIvy as lock town? sorry I can't see Ivy as town yet. looks like coasting maf that I'm calling out

[Andante]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I didn't feel like it was a genuine question. like, the posts look like "busywork" and I literally still stand by it. Ivy hasn't gotten better since I initially called them out, and all yall are just completely ignoring Ivy...

[Andante]

oh no wait i remember now HE DIDN'T DO SHIT LAST GAME EITHER

Spoiler:

am i bored? yes

am i sick and tired of this shit? absolutely

am i gonna pull out my python hat to explain why? you betcha

let's look at some beautiful graphs. here you can see the post count by player, and you'll notice T3 hasn't done fucking anything:

source: the post counts

an interesting insight. i decided to pursue this line of investigation further, and i came up with the following:

source: the post counts

it seems like t3 replaced into a slot that hadn't done fucking anything, either! this seems like an outlier in this game, so it warrants a bit of research. let's look at the following:

source: t3's iso

it looks like that slot somehow managed to only make shit posts so far! those are not to be confused with shitposts, which are not shit. let's contrast this with my own posts:

source: my iso

i will leave figuring out which one of my posts is shit as an exercise to the reader.

let us look at some related data:

source: yo mama hahaha

in this graph, notice that the line is also shit-colored. this is not by coincidence.

the astute among you may realize that, then, there may be a correlation between the quality of the thread and the aforementioned data points. that would be correct - let us look at a graph of post quality over time:

source: my ass

conclusion:
T3 is a slot that has somehow avoided adding anything of value whatsoever to this game and, as a result, is pissing me off. whether or not t3 actually wants to play this game or is just fucking with us is unclear; further research is warranted.

LMAOOOO YOU BROUGHT THE CHARTS BACK YESSSSS

[Andante]

if you nerds thought i had the previous record for getting someone tilted in a game, there you go

i just smashed it

You've done so much more in the past to tilt people... this barely scratched the surface...

[Andante]

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I thought the point Andante was trying to make was that Ivyeo was making posts that, even if made with the intention of being helpful, did not really do much to advance the game.

Yeah sorta. There was nothing advancing about Ivy's stuff, I understand it was RVS, but like, even in RVS people usually have something, to me it literally looked like Ivy was trying to do the bare minimum on posting to get by - if that makes sense. Voted the one who claimed VT, ok cool.. idk, the vibes aren't there, and even since calling out Ivy, Ivy hasn't changed anything about how they're really playing

[Andante]

sheesh i can already tell this is going to be a nugget of a game

welcome to amateur hour

[Andante]

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

Got it
Choof and Bugspray are both Locktown for day 1, Choof's general tone and mindset is obvtown, and Bugspray has pushed back against everything I would have had I been awake.
Adante looks like a wrong towny rather than a scum
Umlaut is null
Anya is mildyl lean scum, as she isn't really contributing, and Osuka is mildly more leaning scum for being unhelpful.
No one else has left enoughj of an impression
VOTE: Osuka

hmm a readslist. trying to decide if I like this. will get back to you

[Andante]

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

tbh you can probably safely ignore the first page and a half but imo there's content after that that's worth looking into
ignoring legit content is anti-town
and you're vt right? wouldn't want to play against our win condition right

im fairly certain i can ignore all of day 1...
yeah, plain old vanilla.

thanks for outing yourself as dead weight d1 I suppose

well, i am trying new things. it worked so well in my last game, thought why not here too.

Ok, if you actually are VT, that was the dumbest move you could make.. just saying, I wouldn't recommend continuing this strat, I might move you to scum lean for now, but that would be cause you said you did it in a past game and it worked, so you could still be riding that wave and doing it here, since I'm guessing you just got written off as bad town for the claim last time.

[Andante]

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

Got it
Choof and Bugspray are both Locktown for day 1, Choof's general tone and mindset is obvtown, and Bugspray has pushed back against everything I would have had I been awake.
Adante looks like a wrong towny rather than a scum
Umlaut is null
Anya is mildyl lean scum, as she isn't really contributing, and Osuka is mildly more leaning scum for being unhelpful.
No one else has left enoughj of an impression
VOTE: Osuka

The later additions to this readlist almost feel made to appease. And the "Andante looks like a wrong towny" is newbscum deflection. VOTE: Ivyeo

You feel like you've already decided to push me this game, so either why not try to look at me with an open mind, or if you're so convinced, just push me?

[Andante]

@andante can you point to any specific posts from anya that you think are town

T3 is a woefully unengaged player because he's stretched himself too thin signing up for almost every game on the site. i'm not really sure how to fix this because even running him up last game didn't convince him to try very hard

I need time for my Anya read honestly, I would have bet on Anya flipping town last game, so I'm honestly just a little lost on her right now, once I'm caught up I'll re iso her, but she tricked me so good last game....

And yeah T3 in every single game, giving this minimal participation just pisses me off, oh!! and since it's over now, last normal in the dead chat, he decided to tell me how much he hates my playstyle... like, I'm sorry, I hate getting the minimal effort from you, and now its turned into minimal effort + a tunnel on me... it's great..

[Andante]

vibe check:
Anya - scum read x2
bugspray - town read
T3 -
Andante - scum read
geraintm -
Ivyeo -
Egix96 -
osuka - scum read
choof -
Dunnstral - town read
InsidiousLemons -
Umlaut - town read

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now, I don't think there's enough information to go divide the town into two wagons, but I also want everyone to use their votes and see where the game state leads. I'm also trying to be more familiar with everybody right now. Anya feels like scum trying to look like town, while also the player who looks like they're playing a scum wincon the most. I got this vibe from bringing up town roles so early in a very fishy way "for reaction", and how she's been using RVS information so far.

Ask me anything.

rip. I'm scum read by our new friend... CHOOF I WAS LIKING YOU!!!! WHYYYYYYY

Easy. I'm catching up, then I wanna figure out where I stand with Ivy, and I'll try looking at Anya, I'll probably be 0 help on an Anya read, she was lock town as scum for me :/

[Andante]

to have fun

you feel like you're trying to put on a play at the opera

you have fun as scum though!!!

and yeah, came in trying to take charge.. not sure how I view that...

[Andante]

I mean, these are your lines in specific I hate. literally feels like textbook scum, feels very emotionless, trying to be "helpful" I see it all the time. You think lines like this will have people going "oh that's very pro towny" like, it feels like you are trying to coast... and I don't like it

Spoiler:

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

weird post

Good Post

@MOD

Is the Highlight just the biggest wagon?

for the record, the day modifier is considered normal on MS, provided the role that it ap plies to is also considered normal.

I would be really surprised if this is true. What's your source?

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed, Lazy, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)
Day is not listed, so it's not inheriently normal

Enabler (with or without primary role present)

what the fuck lmao

I don't actually see how this is wtf-worthy but then I've been hanging around long enough that maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome

In short, a role is either normal or it isn't, it doesn't depend on what other roles are in the game. So sure, you can have a normal game with two Millers, a Deputy, a Cop Enabler, and no Cop. It would be a terrible game but it would satisfy the strict definition of normal.

This is making me Giggle, idk why

ahahahahahahahah what the fuck

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I didn't feel like it was a genuine question. like, the posts look like "busywork" and I literally still stand by it. Ivy hasn't gotten better since I initially called them out, and all yall are just completely ignoring Ivy...

my literal next post was a list of reads, are you jsut going to ignore that?

I. WAS. CATCHING. UP.

[Andante]

you're ACTUALLY saying a post asking the mod a question is a scumtell? this is hilarious

I thought the point Andante was trying to make was that Ivyeo was making posts that, even if made with the intention of being helpful, did not really do much to advance the game.

Yeah sorta. There was nothing advancing about Ivy's stuff, I understand it was RVS, but like, even in RVS people usually have something, to me it literally looked like Ivy was trying to do the bare minimum on posting to get by - if that makes sense. Voted the one who claimed VT, ok cool.. idk, the vibes aren't there, and even since calling out Ivy, Ivy hasn't changed anything about how they're really playing

if ivy is town, who do you think is scum?

I'm not sure on reads yet, I need a second, will get back to yall

[Andante]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

oh it was a genuine fos I'll tell you that

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

i'm playing the long con. i'll keep saying it as town until the one time i am scum....

Such a shame I've already seen through that plan. you're going to need to do a whole lot more than just hope that claim carries you to the finish line

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

what even?? lmaoo I mean, I'll accept a tr, but I don't like that your plan is "yeah I meta tr Andante" like.. that points to you not reading the game, and you knowing fully well I'll fight a SR on me for no reason...

so if meta says I'm town now, why was I scum before?

[Andante]

T3, I hope you know fully well I'm not gonna blindly TR you cause you outed a TR on me...

[Andante]

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

What do you tr me for? pocket request rejected.

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

how many games have you had with andante, and can you cite games?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324
here's the last normal with a handful of people from here, I believe we yeeted T3 for doing nothing that game lmao

[Andante]

T3 could be scum

lmao everyone here could be scum. that's some great insight

[Andante]

My plan is to read.

Good plan!

[Andante]

The only post I like from Ivy is the reads list, but it's like, I almost just forced Ivy into posting that, idk. Not a huge fan of how Ivy had no comments on the monkey's reads, but was ready to jump at something I said like "next post is my reads" like, feeling like you have tunnel vision for me after calling me town with a wrong read? idk, I could be overthinking now, might lay off the Ivy pressure for a bit to see what happens, that slot just gives me bad vibes lol and at the same time, some slots aren't really saying anything I can recall. I prefer late game. Cause at the start, we can straight up vibe, then content happens, then boom easy to find the final scum... just need to get there lol

[Andante]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

I thought you already stated a read on Anda though? Is something making you reconsider?

Tunnel vision on me. love to see it!

[Andante]

I mean, to be fair, I didn't have much content? idk I'm used to being SRed every game at this point so early TRs tend to shock me more cause like, it's usually not till late game where my inner towniness starts to shine

[Andante]

That equation is easy!!

2+2+1+1 = geraintm scum

(for real, I also have no clue what it means)

[Andante]

The only post I like from Ivy is the reads list, but it's like, I almost just forced Ivy into posting that, idk. Not a huge fan of how Ivy had no comments on the monkey's reads, but was ready to jump at something I said like "next post is my reads" like, feeling like you have tunnel vision for me after calling me town with a wrong read? idk, I could be overthinking now, might lay off the Ivy pressure for a bit to see what happens, that slot just gives me bad vibes lol and at the same time, some slots aren't really saying anything I can recall. I prefer late game. Cause at the start, we can straight up vibe, then content happens, then boom easy to find the final scum... just need to get there lol

I didn't comment on them because I didn't have much to say, i had them as town and their posts just kept being towny, do you want me to say "I Agree" to every post that looks towny?

idk, I mean, it feels like you're genuinely ignoring a lot of people, like, you fully believe in your TRs? that game just started... that's shouldn't be a reason to ignore what your TRs say?? (I hope this makes sense) like, just cause you outed a TR on someone, do you plan on keeping that TR all game? people can have wrong reads...

[Andante]

this is not a scum post ↑

You think that was town!Ivy??? I'm not liking this "I have solid reads" thing...

[Andante]

I mean, I wouldn't call her town for " i had them as town and their posts just kept being towny" like, feels like maf with an agenda to me... usually if you TR someone you work with them to find scum? not just ignore their posts

[Andante]

mmmk for now. I wouldn't call it a town post lol, it read to me as just a post

[Andante]

I tr her in exactly the same way I tr her last game when she was scum. That game I linked, I had Anya as lock town. She literally only plays like this, and yeah. I tr fun people, that's kinda just how it goes, like, idk. I don't think it will ever be possible for me to sr Anya

[Andante]

t4 is so towny it hurts my eyes to stare i don't know what you all are on about

I'd have liked for her to expand upon this though, like, I get all the flavor jokes, that's NAI, she hasn't done a whole lot. bruh she might be scum... might also be town... idk what Town Anya looks like. but here she's outed very minimal game relevant stuff, and hasn't ellaborated on any of the game relevant stuff, so like, I'm not opposed to an anya yeet, but I'm giving her more time?? I have no clue. she fooled me once, now... :/

[Andante]

that "you're not even voting me" shadow casting is premature for me saying one opinion on you

you seem eager to blow smoke over me

what is your opinion on this post

I don't even understand what she was trying to say there, I read the context, laughed at what you did with her, "shadow casting is premature for me saying one opinion on you" this has me like "what???"
"you seem eager to blow smoke over me" this part feels like she's more frustrated she isn't the only funny one??

I really just don't even get this post, thus ignored it

[Andante]

I still need to have a proper look at osu

Have now. Would say town at a guess but it's a super weak lean.

what makes you think osuka town? ( I know you said it's a weak read)

[Andante]

andante there's nothing wrong with being confident in your reads early

There's everything wrong with sticking to those and refusing to consider anything else, (yes I'm considering an ivy town world) like, you're locktowning someone and refusing to consider them as scum? ok what.... the game JUST started... no one should have a lock town this early...


also, half of me wants to yeet the VT claiming guy specifically cause they said they're going to do it every single game to make it a thing, and they haven't done anything game related...

[Andante]

so you think im funny huh nice pocket attempt wont win me over

I don't even understand what she was trying to say there, I read the context, laughed at what you did with her, "shadow casting is premature for me saying one opinion on you" this has me like "what???"
"you seem eager to blow smoke over me" this part feels like she's more frustrated she isn't the only funny one??

I really just don't even get this post, thus ignored it

if i tell you that anya was being serious here, and that it was a legitimate reaction to me saying that she hasn't even voted me yet, how would that change your opinion?

I'd still say I'm waiting on more content from her, and I want to talk to Anya later

[Andante]

yeah gerain is weird i've played with him a few times and he sort of doesnt do shit until he suddenly does

lol that sounds great! like, no joke, if he does nothing here, I'm gonna yell till we yeet him, cause I'm getting the impression from him he's going to claim VT/play like he doesn't care every single game, just so that when he's maf, he can keep this "play style"

Gerain... I'd love to see an actual effort from you

[Andante]

VOTE: geraintm

Actually, this is better motivation to get you to do something

[Andante]

@other rotitgbsmod veterans in the thread, feel free to chime in as i'd quite like to hear your thoughts on andante's playstyle this game as compared to last.

I'd like you to know, I am town

slightly different to the question, and the main reason I wanted to say something, but to me Anya feels exactly the same as rotitgbsm, I skimmed posts by Anya and they all literally have this feel so idk on her. In my opinion osuka is less hostile this game, but made someone leave, and you feel the exact same so far, so I don't think my meta reading skills are reliable at all


And yes sorry I tend to post a lot, I can try and condense stuff, but every game I play I tend to have the highest post count

[Andante]

@everyone side note can we make a point of writing out andante's full name when referring to her? having an "anda" and an "anya" is going to give me even more of a headache than last game, when we also had an "andres"

All the A's!!!!! I'll be An and Anya and be A, and boom all confusion gone!

[Andante]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

I thought you already stated a read on Anda though? Is something making you reconsider?

Of course I want to make sure. Even if Adante initially read town, the continued push is odd.

It's odd I push scumreads to get reactions out of them?

[Andante]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if the push on me feels genuine or not

I thought you already stated a read on Anda though? Is something making you reconsider?

Of course I want to make sure. Even if Adante initially read town, the continued push is odd.

It's odd I push scumreads to get reactions out of them?

It's odd if the scumreads are bad. idc that you scum read me but like, analyze my content and not the things I said at the very begining

I think I had a very valid reason to have doubt on you. I didn't have to say anything that early but I did. I don't think you are the scummiest one here, so I'm chilling on my read on you, if you want a deathtunnel, I can provide that, like you're not interacting with anyone but me...

[Andante]

oh my bad. 1 question to someone else this game... What's your stance on Anya/gerain?

[Andante]

I mean, last I checked I was going off on gerain...

[Andante]

first of all you safari using savages need to just download firefox and live a better life

second of all VOTE: andante

that's a bad vote my friend

[Andante]

They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

That's honestly the feeling I'm getting

[Andante]

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I've been on the site for a while, but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

Why is this necessary to bring up? Who cares how long someone has been here, you'll have reads and reasons, so regardless of experience the reasons better match the reads? This game of mafia isn't super hard to play when you're new to either...

[Andante]

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

If only you knew what it's like to play with T3....

[Andante]

gerain, a scumread that you have, is doing a worse job than T3.

FACTS.

[Andante]

Alright, I'm going through everyone and figuring out where my thoughts lay.now that we got someone at 4 votes, I think I really need to just examine everyone cause at the end of this, I don't wanna feel like I'm "taking the easy way out" with a gerain vote. Anya is first on the list!


So, they're a little out of order, but looking at Anya's ISO, I'm ignoring the "fun posts" she has a significant amount of role talk, which to me, feels really weird in the RVS, from stuff like obscure roles to scum having no PT. I have literally never heard of scum never having a PT. But we'll just ignore that, like, ok, Anya wanting to discuss roles first thing, ok, not towny, but I'll let it slide.

Spoiler: Role Talk

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

No, because:

Flavor has no effect on the game.

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

...Kind of feels like you just pulled out random roles to call creative

is this one wolf communicating their roles to another wolf

maybe they can't talk and have to use the vulnerability of public communication

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

day roles

like if bugspray is a day tracker who wants to catch a day cop so needs advice from their partners in crime

anyway it says any PT will have daytalk which is an interesting way of putting it

it means wolves could just have no PT and therefore no talk at all and no daytalk

i think cook would just say wolves have daytalk if it were that simple

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

nonetheless we're voting together

bugspray encouraging lemons to vote together this game?

^ I think Anya saw this post and completely ignored the context of it, bugspray joked about eating fruit, lemons was like "nah" and bugspray was like "it's ok, we're voting the same person" I don't see how this would warrant Anya to go "bugspray encouraging lemons to vote together this game?" like, that statement for that context feels out of place.

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

I was going to ask if this was on the basis of just 95 and 98 since they were the only gamestate-advancing posts I could see by them but looking back on the thread I guess you're right that that still puts them above average.

I actually disagree with Egix in 108, Lemons' post seems like actually trying to understand and read Anya whereas Choof was just poking at me for something they would have understood already if they read the thread (and did understand a few posts later in 102)

Anya wagon is bad, I offer an alternative:

VOTE: choof

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

raccoon you seem like town this time i want to trust you and never look back

VOTE: choof

^ So Umlaunt is town because they don't like your wagon? Like, based on your reply feels like you didn't read anything they said, like if I were to ask you "why is chook scum?" you'd probably go "Idk" this feels like an actual vote, not an RVS one, but it doesn't feel like it stems from an original read, meaning I don't think you're reading this game at all.

i was kidding about the daytalk and multiple teams stuff btw i read the setup post before the game started

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

^ "Was looking for reactions" uhh you sure you were trying to find reactions? Cause it looked like you were doing minimal stuff to cause reactions, and idk, none of your role stuff seemed like you were trying to get reactions. I'm trying not to bias myself into thinking you're scum, cause I honestly don't like any of your content thus far, but like, I'm not sure how I could see this coming from town. You "got reactions" from the role talk, people started voting you, and you were like "haha just rxns"

t4 is so towny it hurts my eyes to stare i don't know what you all are on about

^ I'm not sure what T3 has done thus far in the game to seem towny, would've been nice for you to explain.

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

Can you elaborate on this?

i was posting random theories to see how people would react

^ Now, I feel like this would've been better to include in your earlier post "I was posting random theories to get reactions" idk, I'll summarize thoughts at the bottom of this. Cause "random theories" has been all of your content... and that's where I have issues.

i like the ivy vines and the apples growing on my tree and also the scarfed dog perched on a branch oh and also the raccoon nested up there it's a beautiful scene

andante constant back and forth and paranoia over me feels really non-virtual

the monkey eater meanwhile is roaming around in my garden digging random holes in the ground and chucking mud at my window i don't like it

Ok, half of this feels like you're making reads, but I'm not deciphering morse code to figure out a basic read you're outing. I know this is your play style and how you play, but like, can you at least try to make your reads readable?? cause this is either a read, or sentences you strung together cause you've given us all nicknames. Like, if I deeply analyzed this, I could figure out who you tr/sr but there's no reasons attatched to this.

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

cheap vote the sort i'd find in a discount store having a summer sale

VOTE: Egix

^ And here, it's like, if you were trying to get reactions I feel like you'd act differently, this vote from you doesn't feel like it stems from a towny mindset, you jump into their convo like "cheap vote" like, just let them talk to each other?? I mean, sure you're welcome to make a read on someone, but jumping in and only saying "cheap vote" ehhhhh.




Alright, the TLDR/Summary of Anya: I feel like Anya has no focus this game yet. Like, I quoted every single "significant" line from Anya thus far. And I just feel like she's not really reading the thread/ caring enough to out a single actual read. Even if it was a random tunnel, anything to actually drive reactions. But to me, having crazy play then going "it was for reactions" doesn't really fly with me... Honestly, I think I'm ending this read with a Scum Lean on Anya, I give up with meta, I'm taking this at value of what it is, its been scummy play, don't think I see anything I CAN TR from Anya, so I'll end on a Scum Lean, and hey, if she's town, hopefully she takes this post as it's time to get it together, and start playing like a town.

[Andante]

but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

ehhh I just hated the "but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will." part lol like, "so make of that what you will" to me feels like she's trying to use lack of experience as an excuse for something, idk, I've played with a lot of "I did X so I can't be scum!!" recently, so I'm sure I'm overthinking it

[Andante]

Next up, we have Bugspray!!

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

No, because:

Flavor has no effect on the game.

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

^ Hmm engaging in Anya's setup spec... interesting, personally I think setup spec this early is anti towny, but we all have different ideas of what's towny.

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

^Good post, I like when people acknowledge those being towny, I feel like that's a good look, like "hey, look at X they're being towny" Also, a reason for a TR is also a good thing! cough cough Anya... reasons...

Bug do you think that Choof and lemons are inherently towny for this?

i think trying to push the game out of stagnant states is something scum are usually very reluctant to do. in theory a scuim

could

do it for wifom reasons but considering that is just forcefeeding myself poisoned wine

Scum would want to stay in RVS you say?

Spoiler: Don't worry, I'm not trying to keep us in RVS or anything!

dont lump me in with lemons that is my first serious post

yeah? well now you're making interesting posts.

let's wagon this VOTE: anya

VOTE: t3 anything else?

^Cause those votes feel like RVS to me

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

^ I mean, at least I gave a read, saw something, pushed it.

VOTE: umlaut/vote] i absolutely don't understand the levels of logic in that argument agasint choof and it seems like there's stairs missihng and your brain leaped the gap without notigcing

^ Umm this reaction, Like sure I might not 100% agree with that, but I think that argument is easy to follow? so idk what you're thinking, Like, so far, that umlaunt read is a LOT more effort than I've seen from you, I tend to appreciate those putting forth effort early game, like umlaunt laid out their thinking, and all I've seen from you so far has been a sentence or 2 responding to various things, nothing original from your thinking.

a disgusting porportion of osuka's posting is literally just being an unwiped asshole to other players. these types of non constructive posts should

never

be made by intelligent town players who are playing to their win condition. osuka is clearly not an idiot and therefore the only rational explanation is that the slot is scum.

^ Welcome to the joys of osuka! If you think this game is bad, should've seen the last one...

Rereading Umlaut moves up to town lean

Bugspray still stays up there

what did you see that made you make these decisions?

^ Honestly, I would also be curious as to why Ivy said Bugspray is so strong of a tr...


Sooo TLDR/Summary - I don't think Bugspray has done anything to deserve a TR thus far, I don't think they've given an actual read thus far, I know the game is still young, but commenting on other people's reads without reads of your own? ehhh. I also don't think I entirely SR Bugspray yet either, cause they had some decent lines, I look forward to seeing their content the rest of the game, and if I see no actual reads by the end of D1 from them, I'm moving them to Scum Lean, but for now I'll just put them in null, there's nothing really alignment indicative I don't think in this.

[Andante]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

[Andante]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

Regarding 106/166

Even if those votes didn't have a lot to work from, I do feel like they were made with an intent to help move the game along.

Ehh I could see it like slightly trying to push RVS along, but it felt weird give they said something about staying in RVS and their posts around it were rvs votes, not certain enough for me to push anything yet

[Andante]

Next up we have choof/humaneatingmonkey, and at first glance these 2 have very different playstyles.

y'all

^ This was choof's entrance to the game, I know you can't solely read someone's entrance, but like, entered with "yall" umm ok...

Why do people try to theorize in normals without knowing how normals work.

would you like to elaborate or do you not care enough to do anything other than post bitter one liners

^ Good post! Made me laugh actually, I like how the bad question was called out, cause Umlaut's question had no direction to it, and Choof was like "is there more to your question, or are you just fillering?"

dont lump me in with lemons that is my first serious post

^ I like when people acknowledge they haven't done much, and usually after they realize is when they start getting serious.

read some of the thread and I actually see what umlaut is getting at lol nvm
for the most part, anya's post history seems weird and I'm not sure how to parse but generally gives me a scummo vibe. like just trying too hard to get the game "started."
like

is this one wolf communicating their roles to another wolf

maybe they can't talk and have to use the vulnerability of public communication

is this a serious post lol

and then that into

why? is it bc you and andante are the wolf team closing in while the mafia team of umlaut and osuka lay on top the buildings with snipers? just kill each other instead of us

when the "you" and andante doesn't refer to either of the wolves implied in post 47
are you just shotgun blasting accusations then? bretty not helpful if u ask me

^ I love the effort to get out of RVS, also trying to go like "hey anya, what's your focus of the game???" normally that's enough for people to realize they're not being towny, and they'll fix it, haven't really seen that.. anyways!! I liked this post a lot from Choof as well.

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

tbh you can probably safely ignore the first page and a half but imo there's content after that that's worth looking into
ignoring legit content is anti-town
and you're vt right? wouldn't want to play against our win condition right

im fairly certain i can ignore all of day 1...
yeah, plain old vanilla.

thanks for outing yourself as dead weight d1 I suppose

^ So first off I hate that we asked girain to confirm himself as a VT, but I kinda like the "thanks for outing yourself as dead weight" I could see that coming from annoyed town, but what would've been interesting to see, if choof stayed, would've been to see if he blindly wrote gerain off as town, cause my number one question would be, "Is this VT claim to seem like dumb town" cause I've seen games where someone claims VT then gets written off as town for the rest of the game. choof seemed to have 0 doubts with this claim though.

I disagree with 102, btw, Anya's activity and throwing around ridiculous accusations is exactly what I expect from town!Anya in early game (to be fair I have exactly one datum backing this up).

haven't played with either of you so this may be moot atm, but we also have like a billion hours left in the day for her to spew town

And taking 61 seriously is just absurd.

I'd agree more if 47 didn't exist

Please do not ask people to confirm VT claims... and if people are VT please don't claim VT. thanks.

rhetorical question

Tbh I don't have anything too solid read wise yet from yall I laughed at the "do you say anything but bitter one liners" and yeah. top complaint is, don't out roles. I do not care if that VT claim was serious or not, do not confirm if you were serious... tbh yall have way too much role talk, I'd love to steer away from that if possible

perhaps this is because I don't mentally consider vanilla town to be a role in the same way that a roleblocker etc are considered roles

^ What catches my eye on this, I initially was like, oh just a catch up post, but no the responses aren't in the order of the posts, and they're very generic things to say, I don't gather any content from all these responses, but saying VT isn't considered a role?? umm ok... if all VTs claim all that's left is the pool of PRs.. I'd be shocked if town!Choof didn't care about VT claims, but choof is gone

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

wasn't sure where the vote count was so here you go
VOTE: Anya

^ This Anya vote feels really forced, like sure Choof SRed Anya previously, but "I didn't know where votes were at" feels more like "I didn't really care to place my vote at the time" which like, there's nothing wrong with that, but here it's like, Choof got called out and was like "ok here's my vote" idk, feels weird to me.

if we wanna talk about ppl with 0 interactions let's see if T3 has anything else
VOTE: T3

^ Then this, like, I have no issue with not instantly voting someone you SR, but now it feels like we're trying to deflect the attention away, like "oh no! yall made me vote Anya, uhhh hey look!!!" It's a weird look to me.

her post history is pretty milquetoast but we're obviously going to get more interactions from her
T3 just said "hey these guys are cool" after three minutes of a thread skim then left the thread

^ So in 137I was told "I believe I've explained itt why I think Anya scummy, feel free to reread and if you run into anything that you think needs elaborating let me know" when I asked about the Anya sr, now, "we're going to get more content from her so she's fine!! Hey keep looking at T3" Not a good look...

an truly riveting return to town, so know we know you've been reading but refusing to post for whatever reason

^ I know this frustration with T3 though, like, I'm not sure how to categorize this cause when I first started playing with T3 I was genuinely pissed at the minimal participation for being in so many games... like, only join as many as you plan on participating in....

Andnte'sread on Ivy feels as forced as putting a squre peg into a round hole.
Umlaut town.

two votes on him and he comes in to drop this, gets another vote from bugspray, presumably as a means to continue pressure outside of the ppl that T3 has already explicitly mentioned (me and egix), and then leaves

^ More of this T3 focus, I quite honestly find these T3 lines NAI, The minimal posting is equally frustrating as town/maf.
And then choof subs out on what really seemed like a joke?? I don't really get the circumstances, That level of Osuka was nothing to what we just had so idk. Ummm summary of Choof's performance. I'd say it was a strong start, then Choof started falling apart, I didn't like the Anya transition to T3, that entire thing felt weird to me, but I'll read monkey stuff then figure out where I am readwise for this slot, I will say it definitely started off as a Town Lean, but Choof's ending is making me doubt that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

nice to see you bugs

before i read the game in full, the first three people who would tell me what's going on is town

^ An entrance better than "yall" love to see it. but what kinda gets me is this post and the next one.

vibe check:
Anya - scum read x2
bugspray - town read
T3 -
Andante - scum read
geraintm -
Ivyeo -
Egix96 -
osuka - scum read
choof -
Dunnstral - town read
InsidiousLemons -
Umlaut - town read

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Right now, I don't think there's enough information to go divide the town into two wagons, but I also want everyone to use their votes and see where the game state leads. I'm also trying to be more familiar with everybody right now. Anya feels like scum trying to look like town, while also the player who looks like they're playing a scum wincon the most. I got this vibe from bringing up town roles so early in a very fishy way "for reaction", and how she's been using RVS information so far.

Ask me anything.

^ This and the first post were posted 30 minutes apart. so this "vibe check" feels like a bad idea to even do, like later you explain this was just first initial impressions. Nothing for T3/gerain? but you have something for Dunn/Unlaut, I'm guessing the osuka sr was solely cause osuka "made" choof sub out Like, I do not see the benefit of posting this list so early... but that's just me!!

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

i'm playing the long con. i'll keep saying it as town until the one time i am scum....

what are you doing and what's ur motive right now

^Also, the number of times you ask this question is highly annoying. I understand trying to make town do stuff, but you just entered this game, could've started blindly tunneling someone for a reaction, analyzing various posts.

@Egix
I honestly completely forgot why I had her as scumread at first, but I would probably remember if I surf her ISO. Mostly now, I thought her POV was towny so I can put her in the town pile for the meantime. Same with the other reads, I made it in the moment and then put it out there. It's more of a mental note to pay attention to them.

^Perfect example of why your list was a bad move. Like, you were asked why you SRed me, and your response is "It's a mental note to pay attention, but I don't remember" like... do you not see the issue here? what did I do that created that mental note in the first place? Or was you list an attempt to see where you could most easily push...

Spoiler: A post is either a town post or scum post

if it's not a scum post, it was a town post. she can be town for now.

there are only three ways to read posts. scum, town, or either. if it's not a scum post, it's a town post. but agree to disagree.

can we talk about anya? can you an opinion from you?

^ LMAO I mean, this is self explanatory, really dumb thing to say.

TLDR/Summary - So we had 2 very different ISO's, humaneatingmonkey just asks a million questions, and I don't see any attempts to even do anything except ask everyone "what's your motive?" "what are you doing?" and Choof was falling apart before he subbed out which is a shame cause I had Choof as a Town Lean pretty early, but between Choof going out, and humaneatingmonkey's entire play, I'll probably throw this slot in the Null category for now. Cause being completely honest, nothing from humaneatingmonkey is doing anything for me to convince me that slot is town. Like, what makes humaneatingmonkey's Null different from Bugspray's Null is like, Bugspray has 0 content a true Null read, humaneatingmonkey/Choof have so many lines, like Choof has a LOT of content, monkey is trying to control the game yet do nothing? like, if you have no reads, why are you trying to take charge/ spam the thread with random questions?

I'll chart out my reads as well to make this easier on the eyes.
Towniest -> Scummiest
Bugspray
Choof/humaneatingmonkey
Anya

[Andante]

i'll do the deep analysis for you andante
ivy vines = ivyeo
apples = lemons
scarfed dog = andante
raccoon = umlaut

Can I get a deep analysis of your reads on everyone here?

[Andante]

i'm not flipping through past pages right now but based on memory

ivy vines = seems open
apples = analysis from centre of tennis court not quick to side
scarfed dog = tryharding town
raccoon = good analysis

So who would be scum?

[Andante]

hahaha my detailed analysis stuff is actually a lot more work than I initially thought, but I feel like I'm decently confident on the 3 of yall I did look at, I'm busy today, so I might try to do some more tonight, deadline in 6 days so there's not a huge rush, also realized I might burn myself out if I keep that pace up lol