Mini Theme 2212: Ircher's Grand Idea Mafia: SCUM WIN

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2. Some editing of roles will take place to make the game work more cohesively. This will be loosely done, but don't be surprised if something seems slightly different in your role than anything you can find in Ircher's ISO.

You call THIS "slightly" different?? Seriously????

I hard claim MILLER as part of my role. 'nough said

P.S. NONE of my picks had the Miller Role/Modifier. I also didn't get ANY of my 4 picks (even discounting the Miller part).

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5/11 confirmed

Did I need to confirm by PM?? My Role PM didn't state that.

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A full list of roles from my Grand Idea ISO is given here. Anything not on that list is almost certainly a fake claim.

I didn't find my role, therefore I must be fake claiming!

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Hi,

I'm hated.
Therefore, I am confirmed town.

I'm afraid the list has Town, Mafia, Alien & even JESTER roles with the Hated Modifier.

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Actually, I did find my role.

Let's see.. I am a BP Vig Miller. There VOTE: are SK roles that are BP, so I need to proof I am not one. So..

One of them is Ascetic.. I am not. I can be targeted by Night Actions. Feel free to check
Another is Voteless. I'll put a vote shortly so that one goes out of the window too.
The third one is harder to prove, as it's a 2-shot BP SK. I dunno how to prove my BP is ungated.

*Sigh*

Well, at the very least the Scum RB (if existent) should be on me all the time (unless they think I'm shooting Town or something), so that's why I'm choosing to claim this early, but I will not be announcing my targets.

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@"Voting" "are" instead of bolding it.

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I'm just a hated VT

There's no such role on the list.

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I genuinely can't remember any of my picks xD

Neither could I. I simply knew I didn't pick "Miller" so I went to my Sent Messages folder and found the PM I sent with my picks

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I'm just a hated VT

There's no such role on the list.

Target me and find out!

If you are a "Town Hated Reflexive Roleblocker Reflexive Modified Friendly Neighborizer" it would be indeed worth it.

But what if you are "Mafia Hated Reflexive Loved Loverizer"? Why would I want to be Lovers with you??

Even if you are "Town Hated Reflexive Loud Loverizer" it's still not a wise choice.

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9/13 confirmed. 5/9 didn't read the game info prior to signing up. My heart is broken.

Mate, Ircher promoted the game in his last modded gam, and I just jumped in heads first. I am used to jumping into Themed games with complicated mechanics without taking the time to check every detail. I jsut love the mess.

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VFP -

3.125

Can someone help me with this? I am not going to search the whole thing for the reason. I just have Ircher's list of roles and I dunno what causes this 3.125

Thank you

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Also, SC is either Town or WW, and since this is NOT MB I'll treat him as conf!Town unless we do get a WW flip from someone else.

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Vax' tone is Townie.

Also, it looks like one of xz/Flea/Asteria is another Octuplet voter. Not Ircher though as he voted VFP 4 times.

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I also think it's a bad idea

Maybe it's the crazy mindset of those who play bastard games, because i dont get it and i will not push hard for it but!:

If anyone share their original picks, i will give them access to my Continental Hotel benefits, which are:

1) Free day 1 townread
2) I will not consider targeting you tonight.
3) My eternal gratitude.

There are only two rooms available, do not let this great opportunity go by.

God damn it! I will not make an alt ever again, im too dumb to play on one.

But it might be a nice slop still, as -knowing you from Ircher's latest GIM- I am leaning Town on you already.

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Judging by the last GIM it's already a chaotic kind of game (or at least everybody likes to think/play it that way) so.. if someone makes 1846168221791445 posts I will give them the game regardless of their alignment

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So yeah, we should fade between xz03yx and SirCakez.

This is a fine idea in theory. However, rushing things off deny us the additional info we could gain from this day. Like, apparently Robert is VOTELESS, and your list has so many voteless roles I can hardly lean towards one alignment over the other.

Do you think we have Werewolves and no Mafia? If so, Robert could be a Loved WW. Regardless of whether the anti-town team is Mafia or WW he could also be SK. If He is Mafia though then BOTH SC & xz should be Town (would you count a lone WW as "self-aligned"??)

What worries me the most though id the "Mafia Strongman Ninja Voteless Ascetic Loyal Rolestopper". I thus am turning my attention to him first (and I'm finally voting someone to rove I am not a Voteless SK)

Also, what's a Town Hurter? (I know.. I can check the role in the GIM thread, and will probably do if forced to, but it's easier to ask here since you are the one who submitted it)

VOTE: Robert

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*Sigh*

Now you need to post another VC to reflect my vote before I can unvote.

You know what? NVM

VOTE: A50

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Because I hadn't picked on a scumtell from anyone yet. The only one I thought I had turned out to be a mod error, and no matter who I vote someone was going to ask "why this person in particular" and I doubt anyone would have accepted "to show I do have a vote" as a good response.

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You're free to think whatever you want. If you find this enough reason to vote/push me, go ahead and do (and I would advice you to if you are not Town and can't win with Town, since it's going to be hard to kill me at night)

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Do we just massclaim?

why would we do that?

I will go ahead share two of mine: I submitted both a Town Octuplet Voter and a Werewolf Octuplet Voter. The fade should thus be between SirCakez and the other octuplet voter as those are the only octuplet voters in my entire ISO.

not everything got picked
ohhhh I see xzy weird name has a 1/8 vote too that's what the decimal was

VOTE: xz03yx
yeah you're confscum

I like your confidence. FTR, I don't think SC does this as Scum. He is basically committing suicide if he is a WW.

Let me test my theory:

VOTE: XZ

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Oh no! xz03yx, the

Anti-Town Werewolf Octuplet Voter

, has been found shot after taking a quick trip to the restroom! Vote count resets.

Nice to know I still got it in me. (I've been shooting blanks of late; as the stats in my signature show)

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3. This game is NOT multi-ball. I will not re-state this, I will not re-address this, there is only one anti-town faction (although self-aligned roles that are not members of a faction are possible).

So we only have WW's to look for then?

UNLESS a lone WW is considered "self-alined" in Maruchan's book... OR -as Ircher had pointed out- the whole "Scum" team is composed of different bad "individuals" (i.e. a WW, a Mafioso, a ???.. etc) amd each was going to kill with a different flavour (which justifies the quote if you think about it WHY such a quote was phrased the way it is)

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I already proved I can vote (on myself), so I'm in no hurry to cast a vote at this time. I also want to give Robert the chance to decide if he wants to try again today (it's up to you, pal. I ain't saying you should or you shouldn't. Totally up to you)

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@VFP" Read my post just above yours. Why would I want to END THE DAY if Robert may be considering another Day Vig shot and we can hunt for other scum on D1 still.

I am NOT against voting Flea. I am just giving the confirmed Town Vig their due time and space to decide. If Robert tells me to VOTE then I will.

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Should I shoot that?

?? How many Day Vigs do we have here?

I'm OK with you shooting Flea if it doesn't end the day. I like the idea of a historic fun game that ends in a Town win on D1.

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You know... You could ask the mod about this (like I did pregame)...

And take away all the fun from being ignorant and chasing my own tail?? NO WAY!

P.S. For reals though, I only asked YOU one question in the previous GIM, and it was concerning my own role (whether it resolved before the kill). I don't ask mods about such details because many would give me vague/frustrating responses in order to obscure the exact setup. In short, I'll just take your word for it.

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I'm not town locking the VFP slot for ducking out, I'm town locking it because now we know it was not theater as confirmed by the mod.

I am not locking him as Town for either of these. I am Town locking him because I am old enough that I actually watched the original Flipper series on the rerun (like.. maybe 10 years after it was originally aired for the 1st time).

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What I miss?

I picked town 1 shot time manipulator, town traitor,

jester

, and werewolf infinite shot day fruit vendor

Wait. WHAT??

@ItalianoVD

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ah, what have i done!

You shot yourself in the foot. That's what.

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Anyone else catching a weird bug with post #175? Iso seems to say Robert M Hunter made the post, pew pew meow. But just looking at page 8 identifies Vaxkiller's? Eh

aaah.. erm.. I could've sworn a post by Robert did say that, and it was at the bottom of page 7 (post #174). I can't find it anymore. THAT is what triggered Vax to ask if Robert was claiming Vig.

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guillotina is lustice jeague tight?

Yup

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OK.. I hadn't even paid attention to Asteria before, and yes the voting history doesn't look good for her at all

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That was supposed to include a vote

VOTE: Asteria

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@Guillo: Dopes this look familiar?

Flea works for me

VOTE: Flea

Also, how about you switch accounts and save yourself, us & the mod the trouble??

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If you didn't claim rolelist, you are not forced to tell ALL of them. Just tell non-town Rolepicks, so we can have idea what we can face. Mafia and neutrals already know what roles they get, you know. There's little reason to not tell.

My only non-Town pick was THIS, and I was told the dice rolled "2" meaning it's alignment would be Mafia. I wasn't told the ROLE though

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i hope I didn't just hammer
oops

One day you're gonna get it right. YOUR SINGLE VOTE IS WORTH 1/8TH OF A VOTE!

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Alright.. this had escaped me somewhat, but I think Robert got MY first pick... in which case I can guarantee he is TOWN, so my Town core consists of me, SCc & Robert. I have other TRs, and then I might get other TRs (or reduce one of the TRs that are not SC/Robert) before the end of the day.

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What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

Show me one that was claimed (More than half of the players have already claimed their picks). and that's for starters. There is also another reason but I won't get into it just yet. Collectively though I am more than 90% confident this is Robert's role.

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FFS! I quoted 386 (3 posts above) in my 388 (the post above) and it says my quote is from 387 (Flea's post) in between, although the test is correct.

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5 votes + LJ + Italiano sure looks like hammer for me. If Asteria is Loved then the L-2 on the VC was false to begin with. Unless Italiano is Voteless; in which case someone should know his exact role and alignment.

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I guess we'll wait for Maru, but if that attempted hammer was false, I think we should fade Italiano for the attempted quickhammer.

If he's voteless then he knew it wasn't hammer, i.e. he did not attempt to quickhammer

If he isn't voteless then it was hammer and we should wait for the flip

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@Ircher: You're the expert now. Which of your roles (posted in GIM) reduces the votecount on itself every votecount? Alternatively, do you have any targeting role(s) that render the target voteless?

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Because this looks like some vote manipulation effect, but I can't pinpoint the source.

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UNVOTE:

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I hate everyone who is still thinking there's a vote stealer. It shows you are either not reading or do not care to research the claim.

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Oh, God! Someone needs to go back to Math 101. Let me try to simplify it for you:

SirCakez (= 8*0.125 =1) + Italiano (= -1) + LJ (= 1)

1-1+1 = 1

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Like I said, a simple solution is to replace in with your main, and then you won't have to worry about switching accounts.

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One man went to mow, went to mow a meadow, one man and his dog; went to mow a meadow

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With Korina being the BACKUP MOD, I theorize that voting Maru out results in Korina inheriting Maru's role (MOD), and thus the game becomes a CULT GAME. I have no proof to this theory as of yet. but I've dispatched my army of informers to sniff around for evidence.

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VOTE: flea

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First time using mobile to post feels weird

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First time using mobile to post feels weird

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T3, the

Town 1-Shot Time Manipulator

, has been shot N1!

Vaxkiller, the

Town Desperado

, has been shot N1!

Robert M Hunter, the

Town D1 Vigilante N1 Vigilante D2 Gunsmith N2 Vanilla Cop D3 Modified Neigbhborizer N3 Neighborizer D4 Doctor N4 Doctor D5 Roleblocker N5 Roleblocker

, has been shot N1!

Psyche, the

Town Hated Reflexive Loved Loverizer Lover

, has been shot N1!

ItalianoVD, the

Town Compulsive Unvoter

, has been shot N1!

Empty Slot (Vex Vience) formerly played by Guillotina, the

Mafia 2-Shot Vigilante Loved Lover

, commits suicide N1!

FFS! That's more firepower than I put in either of my Overkill episodes!! *Sigh*

The good news (for me) is Robert was exactly what I thought he was. FTR, I crumbed my 4 picks in 103

Judging by the last GIM it's already a chaotic kind of game (or at least everybody likes to think/play it that way) so.. if someone makes

1846

1682

2179

1445

posts I will give them the game regardless of their alignment

Now how do we get that many kills?? Obviously Vax targeted Town and died because of it. (I thus should dig up his ISO to try and see if he crumbed a target)

Guillo's slot targeted someone who was shot, so died because of that (I'd guess it's Italiano if I go by the order the deaths are listed).

I would have thought Psyche also died because of the Lover effect, except it's listed as a night shot not suicide.

So, let's say Robert shot T3 and Vax targeted "unknown". Then someone must've shot Robert and someone else shot Psyche?? (unless Psyche was actually a suicide death in which case scum shot Robert and Psyche died as his Lover)

Also, I believe Flea slipped in 593:

Honestly, I've done more to carry my team than you have to carry town, and I ain't impressed with

either

of my buddies.

So, I guess we are looking for ONE more scumster/anti-town killer.

Oh, if it isn't clear; I shot Italiano. It was a 50/50 alignment-wise, but 100% a good shot either way. Imagine that we woke up as 7 (assuming Guillo targeted Italiano) with 2 scums alive and a Town UNVOTER. This is basically why I had to shoot him regardless of his true alignment.

To me,

ONLY SirCakez

is conf!Town. I am leaning Ircher Town too, but there IS a chance he could be scum still. His "clearance" of Italiano could have come from Town who wanted to bring us closer to a solve, or Scum who wanted that role alive today.

I need to first ISO Vax to see if I can find his target, and then ISO Asteria & Enchant (and probably cross-ISO both against flipped scums) to see if I get a clue. Let me remind you of Flea's slip above, We most likely have a living

Mafioso

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Edit: I forgot Guillo also was a Mafia Vig. That's good. Now let's see...

Italiano's pick (2-shot strongman Mafia Vig) went to Flea. However, T3 also picked that!!
My pick went to Robert
SC's went to T3
Enchant's went to Vax
Interestingly; Ircher got TWO of his picks (the Octaplets)
LJ's pick landed on me
I think VFP/Psyche landed VFP's pick (Hated) combined with Robert's " Reflexive Reflexifier" << This means Guillo/Vex targetted Psyche, and Psyche was shot by .. Robert??

This means we have 2 killers (other than me) which means we have a high chance of either Alien NK-Immune Miller Vig (Italiano's 3rd pick) or SK Post-Restricted Lie Detector (Vax' pick) alongside a Mafia Restricted JOAT (Asteria's pick) in-play.

ISO'ing Vax I get the first clue that he might have targeted Psyche! (224. He could have also targeted Robert (he insisted on a full claim there). Neither helps us, as both are already flipped. :/

I think Asteria's readlist in 361 is too good to be manufactured. What scum puts 3 of their buddies in their bottom 4??

Enchant is less townie than Asteria, but still a Town lean. Not just bc of the E-1 on Flea 9when scum had already lost a member) but ALSO because I can't see Mafia!Him doing all the effort to collect the claims and role submissions in public. If he is not Town he is the 3P without a PT.

That leaves me with Ircher as the prime suspect for the remaining Mafioso. Flea confirming him as Town doesn't bode well with me, and the whole thing (Ircher pointing it out, and getting pissed Flea voted him despite Flea explicitly stating fae was/were (I dunno which to use with fae) merely trying to test if fae was/were voteless.

Does anyone has anything more to add?

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Hey, looks like Robert actually did have my role

What do you mean "your role"?? That was my exact 1st pick.

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We can do this two ways: Eitehr we yeet Ircher today and see if the game ends, and if not I will die tonight so you can yeet Enchant tomorrow.
OR we can yeet Enchant today and I shoot Ircher tonight. Either way is good for me. If Asteria is Scum and managed to put all flipped scum at the bottom of her read list she deserves to win (and especially so if she is 3P and got those reads for real). I mean, Asteria is either Town with very good reads, 3P with very good reads, or Scum with a heart if stone and steel nerves.

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We can do this two ways: Eitehr we yeet Ircher today and see if the game ends, and if not I will die tonight so you can yeet Enchant tomorrow.
OR we can yeet Enchant today and I shoot Ircher tonight. Either way is good for me. If Asteria is Scum and managed to put all flipped scum at the bottom of her read list she deserves to win (and especially so if she is 3P and got those reads for real). I mean, Asteria is either Town with very good reads, 3P with very good reads, or Scum with a heart if stone and steel nerves.

Why there's possible scenario with "Yeet Enchant, shot Ircher", but with me you suggesting "Yeet Ircher and if not mafia yeet Enchant tomorrow". Or you doesh't plan to shot on me if Ircher is town?

I think from townie perspective that's equal choice.

There's a chance you are Alien NK-PROOF.

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That is DOUBLE No NK. You're NK priif AND you can prevent me from shooting, if you missed it.

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What are your thoughts on a no-elim?

?? I've just explained we could be at 3-1-1 already, and you want to go no lim???

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So, I guess we are looking for ONE more scumster/anti-town killer.

this implies two no? since those buddies were presumably both alive
the comment makes me think Asteria and Encant are the scum

One was Vex (Guillo) who was alive at the time.

But Asteria calling for the no lim is indeed a red flag. Maybe she is the 3P (with damn good reads on the scum team)??

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Ircher has been doing things though; why would Flea be mad at Ircher?

Ircher was the one getting mad at Flea

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Asteria, Almost50, hammer Maruchan, mafia mod confirmed.

a successful mod Yeeting will incur interesting

punishments

.

When I read the word "punishment" I don't automatically think "Town extra kill" or "resurrection of a flipped Townie"

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Come on Almost50.

Besides, the mod promised the day won't end.

You believe MODS???

Well, just for you..

VOTE: Maru

Now you owe me TWO

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If I was third party I wouldn't be helping town this much

You would if you are NK-prrof. You do want to get globally TR'd, and you're not worried about the Mafia shooting you

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Uh, if it's 3:2, we also lose by no limming.

True that. I am semi-asleep, so that one slipped off my mind.

VOTE: Asteria

I'll take responsibility for that

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For someone who pretends to have been doing the math I don't think it slipped HER mind

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... guess I have to be the full mod now. Please direct any questions to me, and I will answer in thread. I am at work until 8 p.m. EDT, so I will not be able to reply until after, or when I go on break. If it’s urgent, please DM me on Discord. My tag is Korina#0359.

WHAT? So we are not culted?? We don't need to post dog images in every post?? We don't have to bark once for "aye" and twice for "nye"?? Now that's odd.

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Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

Where did you even get that? I don't think anyone claimed to have picked it.

Furthermore, here's the post from the GIM thread:

Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

You cannot be killed or targeted by any actions. If you ever gain a night action, it cannot be blocked or redirected. If you ever gain a kill, it will also pierce through protections.

You can be lynched during clear LyLo situations, and the moderator will inform you of such.

See that last line?? It says MOD WILL INFORM YOU. You didn't sound as confident this is LyLo/E-Lo, so you either have not been informed of such (thus it's NOT 3:2); or you are BSing

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Then I will find someone to replace me, preferably a list-mod, and if you yeet the list-mod, I will get Zor to replace the list-mod, and if Zor is yeeted, I will get mith, and if you yeet mith, then the entire site will be deleted.

Another shocking revelation to me this one is. I thought you would self-resurrect the next cycle. I swear I saw it on your card.. somewhere..

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@Asteria: No Elim = SC gets NK'd. There's no way you die (if you are what you claim you are) or I die (2 "strongman" vigs already flipped, so I very much doubt there's a third.

Let's say Ircher AND Enchant are scum (of the Mafia faction, so that IS 3:2). This means they shoot SC and WIN.

This is why I still think you are anti-Town. I can't see Town!You miscalculating the whole situation like that. Unless you want me to actually shoot someone (between Enchant & Ircher) in which case WHY don't we just yeet one today??

@SC: Do you see my PoV? Can you please weigh in on this?

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Let me do this one more time:

Vaxkiller, the Town Desperado, has been shot N1! (Vax targeted a Townie. End of)
ItalianoVD, the Town Compulsive Unvoter, has been shot N1! (I shot Italiano. Period)

Psyche, the Town Hated Reflexive Loved Loverizer Lover, has been shot N1!
Empty Slot (Vex Vience) formerly played by Guillotina, the Mafia 2-Shot Vigilante Loved Lover, commits suicide N1!

Obviously Guillo/Vex targeted Psyche, so that's why Psyche died. Someone shot Vex/Guillo though, so let's assume that was Robert.

This still leaves us with:

T3, the Town 1-Shot Time Manipulator, has been shot N1!

Robert M Hunter, the Town D1 Vigilante N1 Vigilante D2 Gunsmith N2 Vanilla Cop D3 Modified Neigbhborizer N3 Neighborizer D4 Doctor N4 Doctor D5 Roleblocker N5 Roleblocker, has been shot N1!

One of these was the Mafia factional kill. The other was probably Vex/Guillo (this is interchangeable with the Robert shot). Hmmmm...

I'd lim Ircher if I buy Asteria's claim. Ircher is much more likely to have guessed what Robert role is than Enchant (because these are IRCHER ROLES we are using).

Now EVEN if we are wrong then Enchant will have to either kill SC or no kill, but we can't lose (AGAIN; ASSUMING Asteria is telling the truth here). I still can't see why we need to NO YEET.

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Correction: It's NOT interchangeable. Mafia obviously didn't shoot their own and Guillo didn't shoot himself.

Still, this means we only have one Scum (Mafia) alive (or -at least- one "killing source" other than myself).

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can the mods figure their shit out?
a50 claim

No.
~ Kori

No.
~Meow

???? Where have you been, dude??

I am a BP Vig Miller.

FTR, I crumbed my 4 picks in 103

Judging by the last GIM it's already a chaotic kind of game (or at least everybody likes to think/play it that way) so.. if someone makes

1846

1682

2179

1445

posts I will give them the game regardless of their alignment

Oh, if it isn't clear; I shot Italiano.

LJ's pick landed on me

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So, what the freak is going on?? Asteria has been sitting on 1 vote for like FOREVER. Why hasn't she been hammered if she was Town and there are 2 anti-Town players alive??

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That's what I'm saying

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VOTE: End Game

Is this scum whiteflagging????

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GG Scum.
Thank you Maru for hosting
Shame on you Korina for not passing me the solve

[Almost50]

You should've tipped me on the game, me being one of you followers, Master Cult Leader

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if anyone wants to help me design an actually-good GIM-based themed large setup lmk <3

1- Give everyone a strongman-strongwilled vig shot.
2- Make everyone a Random Redirector/Deflector
3- Make everyone DEATH PROOF

Enjoy!

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i dont think i like setups like these!
but im glad i could make my pr useful

yeah I probably would not play another one any time soon because it sucks nailing a bunch of scum and still losing or getting a really crappy role
but I enjoyed this game and don't regret playing!

That's the beauty of "original" GIMs .. you get to choose YOUR Role, mot submit someone else's. I even like it more when I get to choose my alignment as well.. (Great Idea, Greater Idea .. etc)

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i dont think i like setups like these!
but im glad i could make my pr useful

yeah I probably would not play another one any time soon because it sucks nailing a bunch of scum and still losing or getting a really crappy role
but I enjoyed this game and don't regret playing!

That's the beauty of "original" GIMs .. you get to choose YOUR Role, mot submit someone else's. I even like it more when I get to choose my alignment as well.. (Great Idea, Greater Idea .. etc)

original GIMs are even worse. The actual setup composition as detailed in the first post of GIM is that the mod rolls an X sided die where X is the number of posts currently in the thread (at like 10 thousand or so i think), and you get the role corresponding to what was rolled.

GIM uPick is what you described.

I was thinking (and even said) Great Idea & Greater Idea. That's what I meant by "original". The games with fixed limited decks to draw from