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VOTE: Save The Dragons

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Should I vote two more times?

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Should I vote two more times?

Is that your power? No wait don’t answer that.

I was referring to posts 17-22

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How am I 'desperate to fit in' ?

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Dunnstral kinda seems like scum

Based on?

Also, have you played with them before?

I’ve played with Dunn quite a bit
As for the read, he seems lurky and also a bit desperate to fit in. The first point is kinda meta based, scumStral has a trend of being lurky.

I can buy that. In my only completed game with him he was town, and he was reasonably active

VOTE: Dunn

Come talk to us!

Not on day 1

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I'm just responding to people who are talking to me, but ok, I'm "integrating with the behavior of others"

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rtlotus pretty much said the same thing but dressed up nicer, right above where he says he needs to policy elim me because he can't read me

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my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

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In a hypothetical situation where Italy WAS coached, Andres could be that coach. And he's still not in thread. So like.

VOTE: Andres

Not specifically for that, but just. Yknow. In general.

Very strange. Looks like he is grasping for a reason to switch his vote.

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Also what happened to this ahaha?

rtlotus pretty much said the same thing but dressed up nicer, right above where he says he needs to policy elim me because he can't read me

It ain't that serious lol. Not like I'm out for your head, but it would really help me if you give a bit more than the last times I played with you. I realized that's a bit hypocritical coming from me at this very moment. I'm just not tryna lose a third time in a row to scum!you.

OK, that's fair

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Is there a reason this game has devolved into voting for only low content slots? Does that mean we think everybody who is talking is town?

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Am I right?

Kind of, I don't believe everybody who is talking is town, no

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My thoughts:

I looked over gamma and other than his push on me which I did not like, the rest of their posting seems fine
Andres feels fine on tone but too early to get a good grasp
Max... feels scummy to me, always has
Savethedragons is "ok", not where I want my vote today
I read through VFP iso and I don't know, they made a good point that they haven't done anything and the townreads on them are weird, kind of feel they're being hypocritical by also calling me town, and I don't know about 370

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Lotus, you don’t have a single SR? Nobody that pings you? If I was ever going to be offended by anything, it would be that hahaha

He sorted by post count and put the top 4 as town

leans

, threw everyone else in null, and called it a day

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This wagon took off so fast

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UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

What is this?

If Dragons ever flips red, we should suspect Dunn for taking pressure of his buddy!

Dunn wasn't voting RLotus, RLotus is still L-1... But I think Dunn forgot who he was voting for which is concerning.

Thats why I say if Dragons flips red.
Also, I feel like Scum Dunn says a word or 2 if the unvote was from a Lotus mindset.

There's a votecount right above my post

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What I call “Executions for information” type arguments are so common around here for some reason.

I don't like these arguments but from experience it's a pretty even spread of town giving bad reasoning/scum giving excuses to eliminate

Ask them what information you'll be getting before or after the elimination and they almost never can bring forth anything comprehensible

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Unfortunately since Rlotus hasn't claimed there is little chance of the wagon moving or getting a claim from somebody else

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VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

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I learned that x is a negative utility, y. I also learned that someone is role a. I knoe x y and a but not alignment of either.

I need you to expand on this

If somebody is negative utility they would have claimed, since nobody has you would have been pushing this if you were town

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It should be fine to claim. I was informed that part of gamma emeralds role is cop enabler. I was also infomed there is some role a in the setup but not the player or alignment. A is an unflippedrole.

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Free Money Free Tea is not town

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Hey Dunnstral what’s on your mind?

I believe I've said what's important so far

I want to add that you feel pretty partnery with FMFT right now, both based on their claim, your play around it, and both of your plays around these wagons

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Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

I have 23 posts

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Fmft claim makes me not want to lim them or Gamma

Why?

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I need more explanations behind these VFP scumreads

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VFP is my current SR. He is very jumpy and his posts just seem gross to me.

How is this a better vote than FTSP who has spewed a bunch of nonsense about other roles that no town role would know?

Why would there be a town informed who knows that gamma is a cop enabler, and that there's a follower in the game? The role doesn't make sense as a town role, plus FTSP is voting for VFP too

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Fmft and gamma interactions feels like traitor to group scum, likely facilitated by lying about Gamma's role confidently

The follower thing could be real info that a traitor would want to out

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Alright I have info that I'm ready to out: I have the role of backup lazy cop. So, when rtlotus died I became a lazy cop; I checked Free Money Free Tea and he is indeed mafia

The lazy modifier means that if there is only 1 mafia remaining, I can't use my ability

Gamma is probably mafia as well from multiple angles:
-Town enabler runs contrary to the design goals of town backup
-The above is compounded upon by mafia knowing of a cop enabler on night 1, which should certainly render my role useless under normal circumstances
-Despite a member of the mafia knowing his role he didn't die, even though there weren't any other pr targets
-My role is already gated by the lazy modifier
-The way FMFT and Gamma are playing around each other today
-The way Gamma is being super dodgy with his claim
-The rest of their play isn't great anyway

Now, if anybody else has backed up the jailkeeper, which seems moderately likely to me, I'd put serious consideration into jailkeeping me, regardless of the roleblock

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Votecount

VFP [3]:

MaxTheFox, Gamma Emerald, ssbm_Kyouko

Free Money Free Tea [2]:

Dunnstral, Save The Dragons

JohnnyFarrar[1]:

ItalianoVD

Noraa [1]:

VFP

Not Voting: Noraa, Free Money Free Tea, JohnnyFarrar, Andresvmb

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-05 19:44:00) or when majority is reached.

VOTE: Nora

VOTE: VFP

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Despite a member of the mafia knowing his role he didn't die, even though there weren't any other pr targets

I can’t really hard-counter any of the other points, but this falls flat with the fact that by FMFT’s own admission, they received my role info as a night result last night, making it not actionable that night.

Maybe so, depends on flip

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Follower feels like a scum role in this setup
Could reconsider Gamma
Max doesn't feel genuine with the Vfp push right now
I assume I'm dying anyway