Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Noraa]

It me!

VOTE: Noraa you should be studying

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU TOO
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar >.<

[Noraa]

My world exam was yesterday also so I mean. testing. over. studying. over.

ehmmm two more exams coming up tho :<

[Noraa]

sigh.
It's your fault im here. so you have no one to blame but urself. by that logic you must be scum!
*pats myself on the back*

[Noraa]

ok nvm I dont like voting my favorite person
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

VOTE: lotus with blu hair

[Noraa]

Actually I changed my mind
VOTE: MaxTheFox
did you get permission from zoffles to be a fox?

[Noraa]

Duuuuunnnnnnnnnn
are you scum?

[Noraa]

that opening post missing a lil pop

[Noraa]

let me see some spiciness. doesn't matter how you do it

[Noraa]

But it's got the snap and the crackle

nah it doesn't.

[Noraa]

damnit this sucks. now I'm SRing so many people.

[Noraa]

Ita are you town?

[Noraa]

How interesting. UC voyager reminds me of unwnd and he's posted what like 3 posts?

[Noraa]

UC must have good reads then :O
come tell nornor who the scums are

[Noraa]

Ita are you town?

I am. Are you?

I am town! \o/

How interesting. UC voyager reminds me of unwnd and he's posted what like 3 posts?

Is that so

yup! its a great honor imo.

[Noraa]

Should I vote two more times?

Is that your power? No wait don’t answer that.

I don't believe there's a normal role that has a double vote.

[Noraa]

Im going to try something fun here.
We're going to ... give a beary book of information

Dunnstral - a person who I have a perfect track record of reading atm. I will come to a conclusion on him soon enough but I can only guarantee 90% correctness.
VFP - scumbutt a lot of the times. I have no idea how to read them.
MaxTheFox - who this?
JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to me.
UC Voyager - unwnd's twin brother
ItalianoVD - seems pretty towny as scum. town behavior I haven't paid much attention to/havent seen. can't remember which.
Noraa - the most amazing person in the world. has shit reads pretty often. uh yeah.
Save The Dragons - mashie boi
ssbm_Kyouko - who this
Andresvmb - scumbutt as town. dunno abt scum behavior
RLotus - I can't remember if I've played with them. Perhaps I have? I dunno.
Lukewarm - who this
Gamma Emerald - no idea how to read gamma.

And that's it for helpful information >.<
very helpful ik.

[Noraa]

tonally, I currently dislike Fenny and Dunn.
It's hard to describe why I think they're scum. For Dunn, the read doesn't matter because my read on him will develop eventually to become a town or scum read.
For Fenny, its hard to say. I realize that mashie players tend to come off scummy af to me so it's difficult.

[Noraa]

JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to everyone.

Ftfy

not true!

[Noraa]

JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to everyone.

Ftfy

Can confirm.
Got scum read last game because I was the only one not pushing a SR on Johnny

(we were both town)

Speaking of which, don't worry Johnny, I am starting with a hard SR on you this time. I learned my lesson

ok hectic. I hope ur not actually hectic because I'm just saying this for the hell of saying it bc I love saying it. Also fenny is save the dragons

[Noraa]

How interesting. UC voyager reminds me of unwnd and he's posted what like 3 posts?

I haven’t played with UCV in quite a while but he never struck me as the incisive mind type

they just give off the same vibe. indecisiveness/decisiveness is p easy to fake imo but I'm not saying they're the same person. They just remind me of each other so I'm expecting UC to give me good reads.

[Noraa]

I don't really think Ita's town games are super scummy. at least he doesn't strike me as scummy when he's town. overall his pstyle is p towny imo.

also early votes is not gonna get you scum distancing .....

[Noraa]

unwnd doesn't either but unwnd has great reads!
as long as UC catches me all the scum idc if his thought process is deep or shallow

[Noraa]

hm. I don't think its that reliable but it will happen in some cases, yeah.
VOTE: Dunn
this is the vote that imma sit on until Dunn proves he's town/scum to me.

[Noraa]

oh if he proves he's scum, he's getting death tunneled.

[Noraa]

I think that the one with the underscore is scum. ss__ that one
um because their posts on page 73 has a weird interaction w/ UC. Post 73 feels super extra.

[Noraa]

mmm VFP is probably just town? I dunno they always seem scummy so... its kinda hard to read them :/
and Lukewarm. I literally want to yeet them off day 1 just to disprove their signature lol
"I have never been voted out and I have never been night killed, and I'm not sure how to feel about that."

and Andres. hm. I have a read on him already. I won't say it until I think I can confirm it a bit more.

[Noraa]

actually I changed my mind. imma say it and see what he replies to me

So I think Andres is scum but its a weeeaaak read. Bc I don't see why town would find the need to explain why they aren't going to post for one singular irl day? Seems a bit self conscious and Andres doesn't strike me as a the self conscious type as town.

[Noraa]

my impression of his town game is that he doesn't give a fuck about anything

[Noraa]

Hahahaha Noraa I love you. No I don’t care about offending anyone you’re right about that. And it’s not that I’ll be completely removed from the game. It’s just that I have a few things to do today and I’m hungover so don’t expect much in the form of contributions from me. That’s really it.

I'm probably more busy than you but ok. I don't care much for drunk posting anyways. My read on you is still scum but I mean you have a lot of time to change that + I'm not voting you anyways so do whatever you want. just don't obvscum because that makes life boring for me.

[Noraa]

Ita always seems so towny to me but everyone else always SRs him. I don't get it tbh.
And Johnny is always the opposite for me lol. I don't think people necessarily TR Mon but like I always get freaked out because I'm always the only one who thinks he's super scummy. But I also don't want him to die bc I signed up just to play with him.
*sigh*
mon just be town pls.
and gamma . AGGHHHHHH I SR HIM TOO DAMNIT.

[Noraa]

I feel like me SRing gamma might just mean gamma's town. :/
ugh. idk. I always SR gamma!!!!!

[Noraa]

gamma's directly talking to me a lot tho and sometimes he doesn't. but also he seems super chill this game and kinda carefree. I think that level of relaxation probably means he's just town?
I always find it scummy bc it feels like I'm being pocketed but maybe that's just the vibes that gamma gives off?
Yeah ok fuck that SR. Gammas now my top TR.

[Noraa]

Mon just avoids talking too much about the game which always throws me off but I think that's just his pstyle T.T
damnit mon you need to learn to talk the beary talk so I can read you!!!

[Noraa]

beary reads.

Town:
Noraa
Gamma
VFP
ItalianoVD

Null:
MaxTheFox
JohnnyFarrar
UC Voyager
Save The Dragons
RLotus
Lukewarm

Scum:
Dunnstral
ssbm_Kyouko
Andresvmb

[Noraa]

Mon is kookiemonster's other half

[Noraa]

gamma's directly talking to me a lot tho and sometimes he doesn't. but also he seems super chill this game and kinda carefree. I think that level of relaxation probably means he's just town?
I always find it scummy bc it feels like I'm being pocketed but maybe that's just the vibes that gamma gives off?
Yeah ok fuck that SR. Gammas now my top TR.

Not saying you're wrong on Gamma town but as I recall he's always been chill. I

think

I've played with him as both alignments.

I think he feels kind of try hard when he's scum.

[Noraa]

mon just be town pls

Deal

also like neighborize me if ur a neighborizer again because I like being neighborized. I can spam bear gifs at you and pocket you >.<

[Noraa]

I think the main thing I wanna address here is the part about directly talking to Noraa
what I see as the core cause of that is that Noraa simply has the most posts so far, by a sizable margin. So it's easiest to interact with her.

for sure. but a lot of people are avoiding me.
See case 1: Fenny
See case 2: MaxTheFox
See case 3: are there any that I missed?

[Noraa]

Mon is kookiemonster's other half

I also don't know who mon is and that doesn't help... what's his name?

pedit: looks like Johnny, right?

if you clicked on the link and went to the user profile and then clicked on the links in the signature, you'd know.

[Noraa]

is there something you want addressed, noraa? i'm kind of slowly getting into the game, nothing's standing out to me so far.

nah. you feel a bit underwhelming but I'm afraid to meta you atm. I feel like you probably don't have a set town or scum meta so meta'ing you is dangerous atp

[Noraa]

Getting overall Town vibes from Noraa

hell yeah I'm town

[Noraa]

i wouldn't meta me everytime i get back into mafia i think i play a little different

meta mostly sucks anyway

VOTE: Italiano

meta is very important. I get soulreads from it but generally it takes a couple games with the person to get some reliable meta. in desperate times, their old games will do. Yours is not developed bc you haven't played much mafia overall and took some breaks!

Like mine for example, is pretty set in stone. If I seem like I'm excited, it means I'm town or have some god tier scum buddy! Which, in this this list, there is no god tier scum player that I know of. Therefore, by Noraa logic, I am obvtown.

[Noraa]

I mean not that many games as in this time when you came back. Most are ongoing I believe?

[Noraa]

hm. maybe my definition of meta is different. if I truly understand their meta, they cannot trick me!
meta for me is an overall vibe that can't be manipulated!!! because everyone thinks and behaves differently as different alignments. Small things can be changed but the overall vibe cannot :O

[Noraa]

at least I have never met someone who could trick me once I got their meta nailed down >.<

[Noraa]

A couple examples are Guillotina, Shellyc, and DK. Dunn I have not read wrong before but I'm not entirely sure if I have his meta down entirely yet.

[Noraa]

You shouldn't be able to read me in your first game with me but there is a huge group of people that would say I'm town spewing if they were in this game :O

[Noraa]

at least I have never met someone who could trick me once I got their meta nailed down >.<

Not to be rude, but I do feel like you've at least had false starts in this regard, times you thought you had it figured out but found your body of work to be off. As such, I'd like some examples of who you've managed to figure out over time.

A couple meta failures have been on Mon and BM. Those are the most notable ones.
I tried using the DK tell on BM which didn't work bc BM isn't similar enough to DK.
And Mon i once hard scum read but I mean those were like small meta tells that didn't really get his whole vibe :O
There's very few people whose meta I have down completely. I think that my meta tells will eventually get me much more accurate reads tho

[Noraa]

I don't think VCA is reliable for me. Sometimes I vote like twice in a whole large theme and sometimes I vote every two minutes. Theres ... no consistency.
But Ita, I do think you're town so I'll try to save you. Lemme first figure out why your wagons piling up lol.

[Noraa]

Also I'll express my support for
VOTE: VFP

simply because I believe they are a better wagon atm than Ita.
I don't really SR them atm tho.

[Noraa]

VFP's wagon also stood out to me personally so I don't understand why that is strange.

[Noraa]

I don't think VCA is reliable for me. Sometimes I vote like twice in a whole large theme and sometimes I vote every two minutes. Theres ... no consistency.
But Ita, I do think you're town so I'll try to save you. Lemme first figure out why your wagons piling up lol.

Why do you think ITA is town. Just a feel?
UNVOTE:

that and the wagon is pretty dumb.

[Noraa]

I am feeling a little better about Kyouko's play rn, recent postings by him show a decent level of thought

I still think they're scum

[Noraa]

Nora's energy seems hard to duplicate as mafia. Some people can do that tho, so perhaps some meta research would be effective here

t kind of is the energy that defines me yeah but kind of isn't. I hate being scum. Like I despise that alignment. Would rather anything than scum. And that hate is hard to cover up and the happiness is hard to fake. I can do it but it never feels right once you realize what I'm like when I'm happy. it could be described as an energy ig!

[Noraa]

I'm fairly sure Nora is town, I don't think scum would be so active.

tbh I love how everyones like noraas town for [non alignment related reason], [other non alignment related reason], and [other other non alignment related reason]

ig I dont care how you get a TR on me. just TR me lol.

also Dunn. Hm. Let me do a quick ISO in case I missed something.

[Noraa]

Ok so I still think Dunn is scum but I'm not that certain which is kind of strange given last time I saw scum Dunn, I was 100% on him being scum.

I'm afraid of falling down the meta rabbit hole but I'm afraid I'm going to have to in order to figure this one out. I shall be back in a bit

[Noraa]

askfdjskfjegrheighajfnjdk
I still think Dunn is scum but why can't I be 100% certain damnit. I have to be missing something otherwise I should be 100% certain damniiit

[Noraa]

Dunn is most likely town.

elaborate.

[Noraa]

also guys chill on that Dunn wagon. I think there's something wrong with it. I just can't quite figure out what's wrong atm.

[Noraa]

And now I think you're scum YAY
damnit mon damnit damnittttttttttttttttttttttttttt

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHYYYYYYYY
I always do this to myself. I always do this. WHY?!

[Noraa]

I wish you'd just roll scum every game :<

[Noraa]

Or I could TR you every game. that'd make me feel better!

[Noraa]

You know what. Im going to just flip my read because I WANT TO.
Ok Mon is town. period.
cool. ok. life is good now.

[Noraa]

I am feeling a little better about Kyouko's play rn, recent postings by him show a decent level of thought

I still think they're scum

Noraa should we start a wagon on them then?

mmm I may be obvtown but my reads dont tend to be great.

[Noraa]

beary reads.

Town:
Noraa
Gamma
VFP
ItalianoVD

Null:
MaxTheFox
JohnnyFarrar
UC Voyager
Save The Dragons
RLotus
Lukewarm

Scum:
Dunnstral
ssbm_Kyouko
Andresvmb

New things we need to note. Ssb is now null/town. And Save the Dragons replaces Ssb in the scum block.
Why?
bc fenny feels ... sideliney
I realize a lot of people here kind of give off that vibe but its coming most strongly from here. Like I realize a lot of people are complaining abt the activity this game(which isn't even bad) but Fenny seems emphasize that he's NOT like them and that's a strange thing for town to do.
Like Fenny isn't inputting much stuff but the way he talks every post almost makes me think he's a top contributor but then I ISO him and Im like uhhh and that just feels like scum trying to make it seem like they're doing more than they actually are.

And can the mod prod Andres or something. That dude's like 45% definitely scum so like we can't have him lurking off.

[Noraa]

Either fenny is scum or he has a lot of stuff going on in his head(about this game) which leads to me getting the impression that he's doing/thinking a lot

If that is what's happening, then he must have a lot of things that he thinks about the game that he hasn't told us and it'd be helpful to get that stuff. Even if there is no conclusion, maybe your thought process can help someone else find scum.

[Noraa]

i don't feel like there's enough content to make an informed read on slots like Max and Dunn and Rlotus

why isn't Andres on this list?

But also, Dunn has given basically enough content to have a weak read at least. The other two are kinda ... eh.

[Noraa]

Also UC voyager isn't much better.

[Noraa]

I can't remember who said this. But someone said VFP was town bc his first post was the same in another town game. Basing reads off of one post is kind of
If its one sexy wall of town spew, that's another situation but like .... one sentence ...

I can see VFP as town here. The amount he's contributed is kind of small tho. I remember last time I saw him, he had a lot of reads. I can't remember if the reads were right or wrong but I do remember he had a lot of them *and* he justified most of them/was willing to justify them if you asked

[Noraa]

T.T can someone just like have a full set of reads + reasoning so I can sheep. I have no idea what im doing.

[Noraa]

post 232 really reminds me of a post that scum me would post. but most people aren't like me so im inclined to TR it.

[Noraa]

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

[Noraa]

finally some good hecking content

[Noraa]

Lukewarm and ssb tbh feels TvT but I also SR both of them a little bit. I will go ahead and just mark it TvT and call it a day.

[Noraa]

I think Nor generating a lot of content is a town feel for me.
I got a town read for save. I'm not quite sure exactly.
I really can't make reads on people who haven't posted much.
I got a weird feel about ITA and Gamma that I might read into.

huh how'd I miss this post. I hate it on so many levels. anyone feel similar feelings?

[Noraa]

do continue the ssb vs lukewarm tho. content is good!

[Noraa]

Lukewarm why are you shading everyone?

[Noraa]

what a nice snatch, sam

[Noraa]

VOTE: Andres
I think this needs more pressure

[Noraa]

OH BOY
wow.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
VOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: AndresVOTE: Andres

[Noraa]

Mon. Come tell the rest of them why Andres is scum. surely you see what I see?

[Noraa]

Mon. Come tell the rest of them why Andres is scum. surely you see what I see?

What I saw was him posting elsewhere on site, but that's far from iron clad

huh lemme investigate that

[Noraa]

tbh here's the thing. One post of Andres' specifically pinged me hard. Like it pinged me so hard that every time I thought about it, I was like no way Andres isn't scum.

I could be wrong because it was one post but that one post was a huge huge issue for me. The following posts were issues but not as much because I know that Andres and I have hardcore play style clash.

My plan of action for the rest of this day is:
let someone else take the wheel
wait to see Andres catch up
and watch

I think Andres is scum but I could be wrong and Andres, if you are town, you'll gain a lot from thinking back on your mistakes in our past game. Ftr, I SR you for VERY different reasons than last game *and* my read is not certain. I am willing to wait for you to reply. My sense of time has never been good ... I thought it had been like 4 days since you'd posted @_@

And starting now, I will not post until Andres finishes catching up/gets replaced.
And UNVOTE:

I just had a little talk with someone about calming down my play style and we be trying it out now

[Noraa]

Oh one last thing and then I'm off. I can confirm that Andres did post like ten posts in a different game while he was "drunk".
it doesn't necessarily mean anything but its something worthy of noting fs

Also Andres, do a full catchup please. just reading my posts doesn't cut it...

[Noraa]

Noraa no disrespect but, you asking me to look back into my mistakes without acknowledging that you played poorly there is uhm interesting. You incorrectly SR’ed me in that game and somewhat tunneled me and I definitely didn’t do the same to you. Though we definitely did have a style clash. So not quite sure what you’re talking about.

VOTE: Andres
Ok I want a catch up. Whether or not I did something wrong has nothing to do with your behavior this game. As compared to last game, I have given you multiple chances to change my mind. I've asked for content from you multiple times. You've consistently just provoked me instead of actually provide content.

[Noraa]

Lotus can you make me a cool Noraa list of who you've played with before and how you fare against town/ scum them?

So no response to 301 at all?

Ita, I don't think Mon is a wagon that's going to happen today. Even if he's scum, today isn't the day to push it imo. I think everyone agrees that the lim pool is like {Andres, Dunn, ssb, you]

[Noraa]

Yes, I too base reads on the quantaty of posts.

Nora's posts have substance too. If she was spamming things like "POTATO!" "MELON!" "2332!" then in fact I'd SR her for spamming the thread.

But what of the content seems town? You can spew content all day and it all be scummy. I originally town read Nor for

that

but now reading her ISO am less sure. Definitely not sure enough to say I still townread/lean her. Still think she can be town, but judging off activity is sort of just weak.

this is such a strange post. what is 'that'
Are you saying that you started this game thinking I had content but now you don't think that?
Are you saying that you were reading me off number of posts instead of content and now have decided to change that?
My posts don't have content???????????????????????????????????????? Although my reads have been all over the place, I am the top content provider here and I say this with 100% certainty.

Also not a single person here TRs me because of my post count.

[Noraa]

Ok its kinda far into the game day. I think we need to choose a wagon out of {Andres, Dunn, ssb, Ita}

So my opinion is that Ita is someone that is scummy at times so we should give him some time. In other words, let him live til tmrw.
Ssb has posted both scummy posts and towny posts. Overall, I lean slightly town on them so I don't really want to vote there.
Dunn is confusing. I am low-key just null on him at this point but I'm willing to vote him.
Andres is my favorite option. his overall posting is just bad and he's refused to engage me multiple times.

I think we need to start figuring out what the limpool is. I'm willing to compromise but no lim is not cool so we should not be doing that. Aside from that, I'm open to new ideas.

[Noraa]

Nah andres dont do this lol.
I did tunnel you last game but you got me killed which nearly cost town the game. So I don't see why you would be afraid I get a miselimination on you when there's literally 2 votes on you and I haven't even actively pushed you much. Im just asking for you to engage which you haven't done. I'm asking you to comment on the game and saying that I have a SR on you. You're making such a big deal out of it

[Noraa]

IVD is such a strange abbreviation O_O

[Noraa]

I don't like it

[Noraa]

IVD is such a strange abbreviation O_O

I don't like it

If you don't like it so much why dont you lynch it? ;o

Because Ita has talked to me about how much he gets SR and my heart feels for him

[Noraa]

Do you SR him this game though?

no not really. I don't tend to SR him normally.

[Noraa]

Do you SR him this game though?

no not really. I don't tend to SR him normally.

What about my vote on him and my thoughts on him? I dont think you've commented yet.

tbh I've skipped over most of the heavy content posts. Last couple days of school and a totally fried brain do not want to read posts longer than two sentences.
Direct me to the important posts. I'll give them a read.

[Noraa]

So you read my conversation with Luke but nothing with Italiano?

I don't think I read most of your convo with Luke. If I did, I skimmed/only read parts.

[Noraa]

you reacted to those posts as though you had read them so I'm more than a little sus right now

this is not exactly something that scum would lie about but I mean alright, think what you want. I'll get back to you after I read ur quote dump which I don't want to read rn cuz its too long.

[Noraa]

I think Nor generating a lot of content is a town feel for me.
I got a town read for save. I'm not quite sure exactly.
I really can't make reads on people who haven't posted much.
I got a weird feel about ITA and Gamma that I might read into.

huh how'd I miss this post. I hate it on so many levels. anyone feel similar feelings?

I feel differently. UC Voyager could have easily faded into the background (I don’t think anybody has even paid much attention to them, pushing Dunn and I as the biggest lurkers). But instead, they came in to express some vague feelings that don’t seem all that crazy, a good read on you Noraa (despite our clashes, it is quite possible you’re Town here in my humble estimation), and an admission of uncertainty about a variety of slots. Now, this post can be EASILY replicated by Scum, so if that’s what you meant sure, I would agree. I still think it overall leans somewhat positively, but not by much.

Ok but we'd all established at that point that I was town. So saying that I'm town bc amount of content was unnecessary + just a bad reason to TR people anyways.
throwing a random TR out(on Fenny) isn't the end of the world but its not exactly a good look.
"I really can't make reads on people who haven't posted much" is SUCH a filler line. What is the point in it??????
getting weird feelings means nothing if there isn't a follow up post, which there wasn't.

[Noraa]

I don't think that post must be from scum but it was a bad post and I don't see why you think it leans town.

[Noraa]

I don't think that post must be from scum but it was a bad post and I don't see why you think it leans town.

Mostly because instead of waiting to put out more fleshed out thoughts to seem Townie, they threw out there what they had. You know, not all of us can be slayers of Scum. But I understand your skepticism.

Mmmm I think there's a thin line between filler post and not fully fleshed out post. We can agree to disagree.
Ftr I like that you're actually engaging everything and more calm than earlier. Much appreciated.

[Noraa]

lurks Day 1 regardless of alignment

I'd like to say that this isn't true but I'm having a hard time reading Dunn this game so I'm not willing to comment on his alignment anymore until I'm more certain. I do overall agree that Dunn probably shouldn't be the day 1 lim.

But the problem comes in here. If not Dunn, who?
Limming Andres is not on my bucket list just because he'll kick up a whole fuss and I'd rather not deal with that rn
Limming Ita makes me feel bad since he's LHF all around and like 75% just town here.
Who else is there to lim???

[Noraa]

2 days, 14 hours, 44 minutes

[Noraa]

VOTE: Lotus

wagon ahoy

[Noraa]

I'd like to say that this isn't true but I'm having a hard time reading Dunn this game so I'm not willing to comment on his alignment anymore until I'm more certain. I do overall agree that Dunn probably shouldn't be the day 1 lim.

How do you get certain? Is it just reading more of his posts? Or his votes? Etc..

its a feeling.

[Noraa]

This wagon took off so fast

Cuz Noraa's bussing, just let it happen

says the person who literally was so self conscious about voting his buddy that he wrote a whole paragraph explaining how he wanted to start the wagon but instead decided to wait until it was half full to jump on.

[Noraa]

I'm having issues settling on a wagon. and more than normal. so idk someone else gotta be the town leader.

[Noraa]

mmm I dont really buy the gamma/ssb case. its a bit far fetched. I think they could be buddies but probs not because of that. it seems really specific and things that specific aren't the most reliable imo.

[Noraa]

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

that's kind of what I thought. but I think you're slightly confbiasing.
ok so I think I've settled on a read on ssb and it could be wrong but I wanna share it with you to get your opinion. I think ssb is town. A lot of their posts show this frustration that I *have* seen scum replicate but is kind of difficult to replicate. It's this annoyance that he's not being showy about. Like over the course of this game, for the most part ssb has been drowned out and ignored to some extent but 1) he's still trying and 2) he's not trying to show us that he's annoyed/upset, its being conveyed in a very subtle way.

At least, I personally feel those emotions. Whether or not other people do, idk. but I think he's town.

also I've decided that I dont want to read that large chunk of things that ssb told me to read. I dont feel like it.

[Noraa]

How you gonna describe exactly how I have felt this game, then give those feelings to Kyouko

ummmmmmm idk lol and rip man that sucks

[Noraa]

A big part of the reason why my read on Kyouko hasn't changed is because absolutely no one engaged with our back and forth. You and Gamma are the only people I saw comment on the conversation, you openly said that you did not read it, and Gamma tried to change to topic without engaging.

And I cannot figure out why there was no one who agreed with me AND there was no one who bothered to tell me my read/logic was shit.

lemme get this right. so you think ur read is bad?
yeah I did not read it and I dont plan on reading it. chances are that most people skipped over it. if you wanna summarize it, I'm willing to read summaries.

[Noraa]

My best guess is that the scum are in the active players this game, and the scum did not want to agree with it (because it was their partner) but they also did not want to appear like they were defending him.

this logic is wrong. I've made multiple cases as town on town that everyone ignored. I dont think it has anything to do with ssb's alignment. its more that people are lazy asses and dont like reading long things.

[Noraa]

Intent to hammer

don't hammer before claim pls

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
Lotus please claim. I don't want a lolhammer and that's the only reason I'm unvoting

[Noraa]

free money free tea. huh. gimme dat money

[Noraa]

er I mean welcome to the game

[Noraa]

VOTE: free money free tea

wtf dude

[Noraa]

I unvoted bruh.

[Noraa]

that was not the hammer. but wtf literally. lotus hasn't even claimed wtf are you doing.

[Noraa]

Wanted to see if he knew he wasn't hammering or if he thought he'd hammered

it is sooooo damn easy to see my unvote which is literally on this damn page. and its so easy to lie about something like this. there's no point in a reaction test like this.

[Noraa]

Lotus, claim.

[Noraa]

I want a claim from lotus but unless he claims pr, he's dying today

[Noraa]

I think its too late in the day to suddenly start a new wagon but I mean prove me wrong if you want. I don't have any specific preference atm anyways.

[Noraa]

I got off before he repped in bruh and I've made it clear that I will not no lim. tf is your point? ur stupid idea that rlotus is my scum buddy is not believable at all. If I didn't want this wagon to go through, I guarantee I could do it. I don't even entirely agree with this wagon yet I'm trusting in you and letting it go through and I've brought more votes to this wagon than you. If I wanted to stop this wagon, I would've stopped it long ago.

[Noraa]

now that you keep bringing up this stupid theory, I don't want to vote lotus anymore. it seems like you have horrible reads anyways.

[Noraa]

pfft. I highly doubt even both of lotus and ita are scum so like if ur town, ur reads aren't great. You have max 1 scum in that pool of three.
and thanks "one of the lurker slots" is just so helpful.

[Noraa]

Gamma, Lotus, and Andres are going to need prods soon

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
Lotus please claim. I don't want a lolhammer and that's the only reason I'm unvoting

I want a claim from lotus but unless he claims pr, he's dying today

Gamma, Lotus, and Andres are going to need prods soon

I thought you said you

don't

want to be the town leader

its the end of the day. we need to come to a consensus...
please claim. ur the largest wagon rn and for very valid reasons. You make it sound like there are no reasons to SR you when the content you've been providing looks big but is actually nothing. Your tone this game has been extremely deflated and I think there are a lot of very valid reasons to be voting you here. Like the only reason I can think of is if ur a pr but even if that's the case, so? Ur run up. We have less than 24 hours. You should claim. Isn't that how this works?

VOTE: Rlotus

[Noraa]

Lotus, claim. we don't have the time for this. Claim and I'll unvote so we can get some discussion in to either start a new wagon or get the most out of your flip.

[Noraa]

also I've come to a conclusion. I believe Dunn is town. 99% accuracy

[Noraa]

I don't think its weird. we need a claim. we have less than a day. no shit we need a claim!!

[Noraa]

also I won't be online almost all of tomorrow so I would prefer we end the day tonight but if not, my vote won't be available tomorrow so ...

[Noraa]

Ok if no one wants lotus to claim, then why is everyone on that wagon?
we either force lotus to claim or switch wagons. there's literally no others choices with 15 hours on the clock

[Noraa]

Ok if no one wants lotus to claim, then why is everyone on that wagon?
we either force lotus to claim or switch wagons. there's literally no others choices with 15 hours on the clock

No honestly, could you please explain to me why you seem to have confidence in me being scum? You seem to be trying really hard to push this through between pressuring me to claim and other's to vote. Is there no one else you are considering?

I didn't originally SR you but your refusal to claim is weird. Like your recent posts have all been very very dodgy.

[Noraa]

I used to only SL you and let your wagon go bc I didnt care but now ur being a scumbutt so now I actually want you to get limmed

[Noraa]

And explain what you mean by dodgy

UNVOTE:
Lotus please claim. I don't want a lolhammer and that's the only reason I'm unvoting

I want a claim from lotus but unless he claims pr, he's dying today

Gamma, Lotus, and Andres are going to need prods soon

I thought you said you

don't

want to be the town leader

posts like this. rather than convincing me ur town, you seem more interested in throwing shit around to distract people. Like you quote many of my posts but don't address them head on. Instead you decide to call me out for "being a town leader"

[Noraa]

I can understand not claiming. however I don't think town reacts the way you are reacting here when under pressure, knowing that there is only 15 hours left

[Noraa]

addressing the cause of my posts I believe is what town would do.

[Noraa]

it doesn't gain you any advantage except that it makes what I say less important. I don't want to control the game but I also don't want no lim!!!
I literally just want someone to sheep but no one here is like ... good sheeping material atm

[Noraa]

anyways you want less Noraa? you got it.
UNVOTE:
I'm logging off for the day and I'll vote the largest wagon tomorrow morning

[Noraa]

Lukewarm dying was not an expected result.
im assuming our most powerful pr is dead so we should vote with caution from now on ig :/

[Noraa]

I have some discoveries that I made over the night(prior to the flip but they're still about the same)
I'll share them from my note pt after everyone checks in a bit

[Noraa]

also this is the first note pt that I've ever had and I love it soooo much :O

[Noraa]

Was trying to remember which game this was and saw the unclaimed jk flip and got mad all over again

tbh I'm in a way glad that this ended up happening. like yeah its shit for us. That was like 99% our strongest pr but I mean it shows how bad town is working together right now and it's a good alarm bell. I think that due to it, I did a lot of thinking overnight which is somewhat rare for me. It motivated me to think really hard and who knows maybe I've solved the game already!

[Noraa]

Luke is such a strange nk imo. he wasn't exactly widely TRed and I would assume he didn't crumb pr given he flipped vt

[Noraa]

I hope fmft is town because them being scum would throw a wrench in my solve
I currently think the scum team is Andres, VFP, and someone else.
MaxtheFox is my main suspect but him being scum might be a little too convenient tbh so he might be town.

[Noraa]

My TR on Dunn is fading. I can't tell what's up with him this game :/

[Noraa]

Lukewarm dying was not an expected result.
im assuming our most powerful pr is dead so we should vote with caution from now on ig :/

I read your interaction with ssbm late in the day and I see you were having second thoughts on Lotus. I’m not coming after you but I’m curious why you didn’t try to push against Lotus harder?

there was no time. if lotus had simply claimed either JKer or Cop, I would've 100% made sure we moved off but he didn't so I had no choice but to keep waiting for a claim. later in the day I started suspecting he was a town pr. I unvoted but I really couldn't do much else. it really is impossible to stop a large wagon that late in the day without a claim especially if they arent a hard TR of mine. I'm not willing to stop it bc what if it is scum? its a difficult balance

[Noraa]

Cop enabler seems like a good role to put on a mafioso to reduce swing.

I had this thought as well actually.

[Noraa]

Luke is such a strange nk imo. he wasn't exactly widely TRed and I would assume he didn't crumb pr given he flipped vt

What do you think about 750?

Or 701?

those are both pretty flimsy and surface level reasonings but idk maybe? I just think they aren't very convincing

[Noraa]

I'd like people who SR me to explain why if it's not a gut read.

why? you've provided basically the minimum content what strong reasons could there be?
why I SR you, I won't be revealing rn. I have my reasons.

[Noraa]

better understanding or feel for Johnny

LOL NO. I have zero understanding for how that dude works. He's amazing and kind but I don't have any idea how to read him. I've played with him so many times but I really still have no clue how to read him.

[Noraa]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

What did I say about VFP being scum guys?
He's a strong supporter of the FMFT wagon but then OOP bye bye guys lets move off this wagon.
What this means for FMFT's alignment, I'm not clear because WIFOM but I really just have not been TRing VFP at all.
I still pretty firmly believe andres is scum otherwise andres is just not playing that great given I think town him does know how to get townread. He's doing quite some AtE as well which doesn't seem like a town andres thing to do. Like I do think that town andres is overly emotional over things as well. But I just don't think town andres will *purposefully* AtE to make people feel bad about SRing him. Like his whole vibe this game has been more ... like "aw guys pls TR me I'm being towny" and not "stfu dumbass, I'm town" The town andres that I know just doesn't remind me of him! Like maybe his play style did a 180 since I last saw it or he's going through some real shit in his life but I really just think he's just scum here.

Can we actually just stop naked voting. Like town is already a lot weaker and now we're all piling on someone thats claimed pr. Who cares if they're scummy? I would rather let a maf pr go than take the risk of killing two town prs in a row????????????? I guess thinking on that, a role cop for mafia is pretty dangerous to leave around but really just given that they don't seem to give a shit about if they live, they're either noobscum or superbadtown. I feel like super bad town makes some sense here

[Noraa]

Hahahaha Noraa I love you.

I SR someone off basically nothing and this person's name isn't pooky. Why is this their first thought?????? Like I could see someone that I'm close with outside of mafia being like lol Noraa I love you but this seems so like .... scummy. It's almost like trying to AtE a vote out of me

This game has been on for 2 days and I clearly couldn’t get into it over the weekend.

feels excuse-y and self conscious over something that really isn't that important. not a strong point overall.

Anyway it’s the middle of the workday for me so I need to focus but I will be back tonight for sure. I’ll catch up, provide some thoughts. But some of that made up logic should get the scrutiny it deserves.

This is pretty null. Thought I'd mention it because its a townreadable and scum readable post which is interesting!

andres are you caught up? you seem to only post when noraa pings you

I’m reading. Now that the other game is over, I’ll give this one more time. I just don’t want Noraa to say I’m not engaging, or drive my mis-execution without me getting time to engage properly.

This is definitely AtE imo.

In any case, by accusing me of making a big deal out of something, it’s almost like you would

rather I roll over and die as Town

. Unfortunately,

I was trying to avoid straight up losing a game (which we did anyway)

, and had my focus on that.

I’m sorry I didn’t have time to go through RVS with you all

. Frankly, I tend to do far better when I can make a specific case for someone without getting pushed and reading unadulterated thoughts that don’t involve my alignment. Yeah I know you want to get thoughts from me early and that’s okay but they’re mostly garbage and my early reads tend to be bad. I keep having to say it and it’s just true.

Ugh this post bothers me the most. It's vibe is totally off. Like it is 99.99% AtE and UGH I just cant not SR it. Like I guess now, reading through his ISO, I legitimately think maybe town him is just this ... idk how to describe it at times that I just don't think AtE is a possibility for him

[Noraa]

Andres, I SL you atm. Engage me peacefully please? I don't want a shitfight with you so please just don't make this into that?

[Noraa]

Ok idk who's town here and half the reason is because no matter who pushes what, immediately other people start moving to that wagon. its so damn hard to not just think all of these later thoughts that just switch from nothing aren't artificial as hell. Can we all just have our own reads or something?

Idk im so frustrated by this game in a way that I've never felt. Like normally I get annoyed because I find town but they don't agree with me or I find scum and no one agrees with me. But here I feel like no one has their own opinions and I don't even know what I'm doing. I literally need to bounce ideas off of other people, hear new opinions, and interact to figure out if my read is right. Here I just feel like I'm bouncing ideas off a mirror and that doesn't help me!!!!

Like I vote Lotus. People just mindlessly follow and now we have our top pr dead!!!
I really don't trust in my reads and someone literally needs to just keep arguing with my reads for me to think more!!!!!!!!!!!!

T.T don't follow my votes oml bc then if it ends up town I end up thinking its my faulttttt

I've never wished I was scum more than now tbh. Ugh life sucks.

[Noraa]

I wish Pooky was here

[Noraa]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

what?

[Noraa]

Dunnstral - talking more than usual could be scum for it

Talk about this one for me?

i dunno i don't trust meta i actually probably lean town on the slot tbh should have mentioned that

but in one game i played with him he was town and only showed up when he was attacked

in another game he was traitor and came out D2 as a strong poster

he's kind of in the middle here

hes not middle. he's on the low end for sure. I think Dunn is ... interesting this game. I continue to not know what alignment he is and its concerning

[Noraa]

gahhhhh mon why your reads so similar to mine?
you must have different reads and fite me! I like a good argument on reads

[Noraa]

I don't have a lot of nulls. I do have the typical "uh oh I SR everyone YAYYY"

[Noraa]

Ok so help me. Gamma, Dunn, and Max are all an amorphous blob of "OH, they're playing this game????" For me and I don't like it

I SR gamma but also mostly just because I low-key TR gamma which is strange for me. Idk the thing is that normally I SR gamma so this is strange. The issue is that this also reminds me of the first time I TRed BM in a past game. I thought he was so towny that he had to be scum. I tunneled him and he died day 1 and flipped vt ;(

It's tough because I truly, normally SR gamma really hard. But I legitimately TR him here which makes me wanna SR him. The issue is that it is possible that after like 10 games with him, I've finally figured out how to read him.

If this logic doesn't make sense, we can simple it down more probably

This is why I was trying to get you to zero in on Johnny and you kinda just meh’d me. You said you don’t really know how to read him but every time I say something about it or try to push there you don’t really try to do anything or you say it’s probably not like that. I think we might be letting Johnny fly under the radar. You also did the same for Lukewarm. So I don’t know this kinda doesn’t feel like real sentiment to me.

Ok your point is? Its not like I'm the only player in the game? If you wanna get people to engage, you don't have to solely come to me? I've tunneled mon and gotten him killed before. I will never do that again. Because he never puts up a fight and it makes me feel guilty as hell regardless of what he flips. I also just always sr him. Every single game.

Oh yeah and this...

Like I vote Lotus. People just mindlessly follow and now we have our top pr dead!!!

Come on Noraa. Hindsight is 20/20, so it’s easy to say this, but you weren’t saying this late day 1. I understand you said Lotus was a hard situation and I get that, but why are you now framing it like no one had anything to say about anything? As I said, Lukewarm was trying to push kyouko, you scumread him early but then didn’t and when Lukewarm started to really push him you dismissed him. I’ve said some things about Johnny and you kinda dismissed it as well. I believe others have said things and you didn’t really look into it, but don’t quote me on that, I’d have to look again to be sure. Like I get you have your reads, but if someone said that my townleans were wrong or that they were suspicious I’d at least try to look at them.

Also you keep saying our top pr is dead. Now I’m not great with mechanics but shouldn’t there at least be a protective or maybe another investigative role generally speaking?

Spoiler:

I'm not blaming other people? Barely any people talked for lotus and wtf did you want me to do? It was late day 1. There is zero way to stop a wagon like that without a claim. Zero. You treat me like a town leader and the only person that has authority when that is not the case. The rest of town is just doing a lousy job(overall) which makes it seem like that. People did mindlessly follow which contributed to this outcome. I never blamed other people straight up. Everyone has fault here in some way or another. I just want people to have more opinions because the overall game state and mindset is a sheeping mindset which is fs going to lead to a town loss if I'm the person we're sheeping. Why are you blaming it on me? And is there a point in this? You make it sound like its bc I didnt listen to you that this happened. Do you really think my one vote would've changed everything yesterday? Not to mention the lotus wagon didnt even have me on it at the end. So what if I don't comment on certain things? No one is stopping you from doing anything but you're making it seem like you need my approval to do things. Don't blame things on me. I've stated multiple times that I don't know wtf I'm doing this game.

I did look into lotus. The issue was that I needed a claim. I did start to TR him at the end of day 1. But I will not attempt stop a wagon nearing deadline unless I am 100% sure they are town or they claim pr. Whats so difficult to understand about that? And also who do you think I am? A cabd or unwnd? I'm not going to comment on absolutely everything. You make it sound like I have to be a perfect town leader when I have zero obligation to do anything for any of you. I don't want to be a town leader. Nor am I perfect. If you wanted a perfect town leader, you came to the wrong place. And I'm overall just pretty offended that you're turning this around and making it seem like it's my fault. Although I personally do think its a very large portion my fault, its mean to be pushing the blame on me when I've been constantly thinking about this game and putting so much effort into trying to find scum. If you don't appreciate my effort, then you won't get my effort. I'm not posting for the next three irl days.

(expired on 2021-06-03 17:43:24)

[Noraa]

Ok so I just checked in and saw a shit ton of votes. idk if there's already a hammer but I'm not going into the night having said nothing.

I just look at every MaxtheFox post and wonder, how is this town?

I actually agree with this tbh

I need more explanations behind these VFP scumreads

If Max is scum, I will believe that VFP is town. Otherwise I think VFP is scum because he's not trying in the slightest to act town. He clearly doesn't SR me. Then why vote me?

Alright I have info that I'm ready to out: I have the role of backupVOTE: lazy cop. So, when rtlotus died I became a lazy cop; I checked Free Money Free Tea and he is indeed mafia

The lazy modifier means that if there is only 1 mafia remaining, I can't use my ability

Gamma is probably mafia as well from multiple angles:
-Town enabler runs contrary to the design goals of town backup
-The above is compounded upon by mafia knowing of a cop enabler on night 1, which should certainly render my role useless under normal circumstances
-Despite a member of the mafia knowing his role he didn't die, even though there weren't any other pr targets
-My role is already gated by the lazy modifier
-The way FMFT and Gamma are playing around each other today
-The way Gamma is being super dodgy with his claim
-The rest of their play isn't great anyway

Now, if anybody else has backed up the jailkeeper, which seems moderately likely to me, I'd put serious consideration into jailkeeping me, regardless of the roleblock

Wow ok Dunn is lock town. This post is very towny VOTE: FMFT and I'm also down to vote gamma tomorrow.
Doc, JK, whatever. All on Dunn tonight.

[Noraa]

Max doesn't feel genuine with the Vfp push right now

Awesome we're on the same page. We should lim Max or Gamma tmrw.

[Noraa]

2 scum in (me, FMFT, ssbm)
Johnny being scum

no. nah. no.
Johnny is probably just town here. The game's already been cracked in half by Dunn.

[Noraa]

You think a pre outed fmft busses vfp like that?

Why not? FMFT is barely doing anything so that wouldn't surprise me?
Also like I'm 100% sure {VFP, Maxthefox} has scum. Their interactions aren't natural. One of them has to be scum. There is literally like no other explanation.

[Noraa]

You awake to find that

Dunnstral

has been murdered! They were a

Town Backup Lazy Jailkeeper Backup Lazy Cop

.

You are a

Town Backup Lazy Jailkeeper Backup Lazy Cop

.

You have two abilities. You cannot use them both during the same night, and must tell the moderator which ability you are using each night (or tell the moderator when you choose not to use any of your abilities at all.)

Cop

- Target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, the moderator will inform you whether the targeted player is "Mafia" or "Not Mafia". Interference may cause "no result". However, you may not use this ability unless there are less than two dead mafias and greater than zero dead Cops.

Jailkeeper

- Target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, any action that player tries to perform that night will fail. In addition, that player will be immune to all kill attempts for the night. However, you may not use this ability unless there are less than two dead mafias and greater than zero dead Jailkeepers.

You win when there are no mafia aligned players alive and there is at least one town aligned player still alive. Please confirm by summarizing your role to the moderator.

damn

[Noraa]

At least there's no longer the potential WIFOM of scum!Dunn hard bussing to deal with, didnt think much about this one overnight, but I do remember being worried about that

uh no. there was zero possibility of that. His last post yesterday was the towniest thing I ever laid my eyes on

[Noraa]

I honestly. Legitimately. Think this game might already just be solved with Max/gamma/FMFT

[Noraa]

I have large amounts of dripping paranoia on Andres and have had it for the longest time but it could just be that im wrong :/

[Noraa]

I'm sad Dunn died. im hoping theres a town watcher out there that watched Dunn last night but I might be hoping for too much. We'll see ig.

[Noraa]

also gamma is probably scum? cuz if the copjk, backup copjk, and the cop enabler are town, thats literally insane af
assuming gamma even is cop enabler which who knows.
wait one sec lemme check fmft's role.

[Noraa]

FMFT probably outed a partner’s result for them

it feels more likely that FMFT (perhaps unintentionally) screwed you over

Do you not think FMFT tries to run that by me in the scum PT first?

No not really. if he didn't do it purposefully, then no, he prolly didn't think it was an issue.

[Noraa]

right so FMFT was a goon. that means either theres a scum role cop and gamma is town.
Or gamma is just scum and they coordinated that in hopes of keeping fmft alive and now its backfiring really badly

[Noraa]

scum role cop and gamma town is suuuuuch a stretch tbh.

[Noraa]

especially given thinking back on their interaction, it felt very hesitant.
I haven't read that interaction in a hot second but I do remember it felt super hesitant.
at the time I was wondering if town gamma was considering whether or not he should confirm. since cop enabler is an important role.
But if fmft is scum, thats different

[Noraa]

scum are the ones who have the follower

what?

[Noraa]

Unless you think FMFT had literally gone insane

I dont think thats the right way to put it. but I mean noob scum mistakes are quite simple to understand ...

[Noraa]

Town already has a cop and a backup cop. I don’t think a follower on town’s side really checks out as balanced on top of that. Plus I think my theory about informed + follower covering the spectrum of town’s power makes a lot of sense.

?????????????????????????????????????????

[Noraa]

I think fenny is being pretty obvtown here.
Like doubling down on a caught scum is a suuuuuuper scummy thing to do that only town does because they're proud cuz they think they caught scum :O

The issue is that im not SRing gamma's replies toooooo much. its not a level of obvtown where I'd flag down the wagon and be like no lets not but it worries me. I still think gamma is prolly scum. The number of things that have to have happened for gamma to be town is just too many and im not really willing to believe that its exactly that one very specific scenario where town gamma just got totally screwed over by scum.

[Noraa]

Like I think the game state requires a scum gamma here but my heart strings are being pulled around.

[Noraa]

lets just wagon max instead XD
the perfect solution

[Noraa]

I dont really care tbh. I think Dunn cracked the game open and we've caught all three scum.

[Noraa]

I dont think theres another explanation. Like yeah I feel bad that Dunn totally fucked up the scum team. but it is what it is and its a fair scum loss here. Town prs played well. Er .... just Dunn.

[Noraa]

Yeah I think we just wagon max and gamma. game over.

[Noraa]

For sure. No that pridefulness is definitely a town tell or he's bussing like hell which is a horrible tactic and I really dont think scum would do it.
Basically regardless of gamma's alignment I think fenny legitimately think he's caught scum and that makes him town.
And just the kind of "AHA I CAUGHT SCUM" lightbulb energy that he's giving off. It's like a huge megaphone shouting town at me.

[Noraa]

I mean gamma is really pulling at my heart strings and my heart REALLY really desperately wants to believe he's town but this game state just calls for a scum gamma. And I think that this time around my brain is the one thats right

[Noraa]

Noraa do you think my conftown read of kyouko is off-base at all?

I don't think ssb is conftown

[Noraa]

question for you Noraa, was your head or your heart steering during Sunny 2: Impeachment?

uh that game pissed me off so neither my head or heart was present for most of it

[Noraa]

most of the time I was in the game I was just hoping scum would hurry up and nk me

[Noraa]

what's ur point?
I TR you here.

[Noraa]

ok but I legitimately SRed you in the past. rn im SRing you only off game state which means ur even more likely scum lol...

[Noraa]

Sorry Noraa. I hope you read my responses to you late Day 2. Hope I didn’t make you feel some type of way.

I did read them thank you. sorry I overreacted lol. I get pretty pissy when I feel like people are blaming me for things. It's this funky Noraa logic like I CAN BLAME MYSELF but you. NOPE YOU CANT!
dont mind me getting salty over nothing

[Noraa]

BTW, you really think Johnny is town here?

I do. I mean ig he could be scum but idk he seems ok

[Noraa]

I mean mon always seems scummy to me. So like if ur asking if I think he's scummy, yeah I do. But I always think that so it might just mean his town tbh.

[Noraa]

Sorry Noraa. I hope you read my responses to you late Day 2. Hope I didn’t make you feel some type of way.

I did read them thank you. sorry I overreacted lol. I get pretty pissy when I feel like people are blaming me for things. It's this funky Noraa logic like I CAN BLAME MYSELF but you. NOPE YOU CANT!
dont mind me getting salty over nothing

I actually read them yesterday but got in a bit of a rush posting bc I was worried the thread was locked and forgot to reply and just say sorry for getting pissy over nothing.

[Noraa]

I'm glad someone finally said something about Johnny's reaction to Lukewarm

You also thought it was weird?

[Noraa]

I still think Johnny could be trying to town it up with Noraa as to not set off her radar

This is just funny but I think only Noraa and I are laughing

I agree lol. there is legit like no way for him to "town it up" for me. I seriously just *always* SR you. There literally are no exceptions.

[Noraa]

I mean mon always seems scummy to me. So like if ur asking if I think he's scummy, yeah I do. But I always think that so it might just mean his town tbh.

Was there ever a time where you scum read him right? If so what was it that did it for you?

I've never SRed him correctly I dont think. He's always been town with town me.

[Noraa]

Think I'll have to reread d2 cuz I feel convinced Gamma's being framed and I'm just confbiasing at this point. I feel like FMFT was already screwed after that hammer and scum sacced him in an attempt to draw out PRs.

cop enabler doesn't really count as a pr imo. Also I think gamma's just scum here atp.

[Noraa]

Cool my other SR was true.

VOTE: VFP this is still most likely scum.

oh my god. please. if you're town, stop doing this otherwise we will lim you tomorrow and you will have no one to blame but yourself. if you're town, scum isn't even gonna have to push you to the chopping block. you literally got onto the chopping block yourself and gave the executioner a blade.

Oml. I sincerely hope max the fox is scum because he's definitely dying tomorrow if he keeps this up.
I also just think gamma is scum now bc of the hesitancy despite gamma being pretty obvious scum?


I keep having paranoia on people like ssb and VFP. But with these people that look terribly obvscum, I dont even know what to do anymore.