Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Gamma

Everyone above me is town.

Andre, StD, and Johnny lock town

VOTE: VFP

[Lukewarm]

Should I claim?

Maybe not quite yet, but things do appear to be moving in that direction

[Lukewarm]

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaxTheFox

[Lukewarm]

JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to everyone.

Ftfy

Can confirm.
Got scum read last game because I was the only one not pushing a SR on Johnny

(we were both town)

Speaking of which, don't worry Johnny, I am starting with a hard SR on you this time. I learned my lesson

[Lukewarm]

JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to everyone.

Ftfy

Can confirm.
Got scum read last game because I was the only one not pushing a SR on Johnny

(we were both town)

Speaking of which, don't worry Johnny, I am starting with a hard SR on you this time. I learned my lesson

ok hectic. I hope ur not actually hectic because I'm just saying this for the hell of saying it bc I love saying it. Also fenny is save the dragons

Not hectic, (or an alt at all) am newbie.

I think I have finished 5 games atp, but this is my first closed game

[Lukewarm]

Why you voting Max my guy?

Because they had not posted yet

Why the switch so soon?

Because VFP is a Day 13 IC

So where's the vote?

Want my vote on someone who has not talked yet. Figured there will be plenty of time to vote for Johnny in the future

[Lukewarm]

There's been plenty enough talk already to pick a vote outside RVS imo. Just not seeing why you're not on Johnny, not that Max's entrance wasn't scummy, but that entrance came after your vote. Your first vote was for someone who had already talked...

To be clear, my comment to Johnny was a joke referencing our last game together. I do not actually have a scum read on him in this game (yet)

Max was a RVS vote, when I am pretty sure everyone was still RSV voting (I voted for Max at like the same time you RVS voted, and still before Nora, Dunn, or Italiano did). And you said yourself that that Max's entrance was not the towniest of entrances, so why should I have moved my vote? I am confused by this line of questioning.

[Lukewarm]

I think the main thing I wanna address here is the part about directly talking to Noraa
what I see as the core cause of that is that Noraa simply has the most posts so far, by a sizable margin. So it's easiest to interact with her.

Do not like this post.

VOTE: Gamma

[Lukewarm]

Getting overall Town vibes from Noraa

[Lukewarm]

I think the main thing I wanna address here is the part about directly talking to Noraa
what I see as the core cause of that is that Noraa simply has the most posts so far, by a sizable margin. So it's easiest to interact with her.

Do not like this post.

VOTE: Gamma

Can you articulate why? I can see a potential logic to this comment, I wonder if I'm right about it.

I feel like you approached it defensively, when Noraa was not scum reading you for it, and I when I read through, I did not think twice about it. But for you it was "the main thing you wanna address here"

Felt like you were primed to defend yourself

[Lukewarm]

But my thing is why did you single out the VFP voters? Why not the Johnny voters or the Noraa voters. I’m trying to understand your angle here and it’s not making me feel good.

Correction, there were four wagons with 2 votes: Gamma, STD, Max, and VFP. I’m curious why VFP’s stood out to you over the others.

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me. I think at the time there had been 3 people, maybe 4 that had voted VFP at some point. 2 RVS votes on the same person does not a wagon make. When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

yeah I thought like this too, it's why I voted VFP

As a person who moved on then off of the VFP RVS vote, I just thought it would be funnier to play into his joke.

Spoiler:

Should I claim?

Should I claim?

Maybe not quite yet, but things do appear to be moving in that direction

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaxTheFox

This message in particular made me chuckle as I typed it

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

I’m very glad this game isn’t at breakneck pace but it’s literally stagnant rn
Someone breathe some life into this game!

Do you have any hot takes to start us off?

[Lukewarm]

I am feeling a little better about Kyouko's play rn, recent postings by him show a decent level of thought

I still think they're scum

Noraa should we start a wagon on them then?

[Lukewarm]

Gamma trying to keep the thread from dying is a townie thing to do

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

Dunnstral kinda seems like scum

Based on?

Also, have you played with them before?

[Lukewarm]

Dunnstral kinda seems like scum

Based on?

Also, have you played with them before?

I’ve played with Dunn quite a bit
As for the read, he seems lurky and also a bit desperate to fit in. The first point is kinda meta based, scumStral has a trend of being lurky.

I can buy that. In my only completed game with him he was town, and he was reasonably active

VOTE: Dunn

Come talk to us!

[Lukewarm]

Gamma Emerald
Noraa
VFP

UC Voyager
Save The Dragons
JohnnyFarrar
Dunnstral
Andresvmb
ItalianoVD

MaxTheFox
ssbm_Kyouko
RLotus

These are not ordered inside the tiers, but my current thoughts on the player list

[Lukewarm]

Willing to vote

UC, Kyoko, Ita,

Luke

today.

[Lukewarm]

Hell yeah

But for why?

I personally have Luke

really high

on my TR list.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: gamma emerald

Convince me

Hell yeah

But for why?

I personally have Luke

really high

on my TR list.

Why you being all buddy buddy with me and basically ignoring the vfp connection?

What do you mean I am ignoring the vfp connection? I have talked about why I moved my vote around in regards to him.

And I am generally TRing him atm because he feels the same as our previous games where he was town, and different then our previous game where he was scum.

Spoiler:

I have played like 4 games with them at this point, 1.5 games with Dunn, .25 games with you and StD, 0 games with anyone else, so VFP is the only person I have a decent amount of reference to compare to.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

But my thing is why did you single out the VFP voters? Why not the Johnny voters or the Noraa voters. I’m trying to understand your angle here and it’s not making me feel good.

Correction, there were four wagons with 2 votes: Gamma, STD, Max, and VFP. I’m curious why VFP’s stood out to you over the others.

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me. I think at the time there had been 3 people, maybe 4 that had voted VFP at some point. 2 RVS votes on the same person does not a wagon make. When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

yeah I thought like this too, it's why I voted VFP

As a person who moved on then off of the VFP RVS vote, I just thought it would be funnier to play into his joke.

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Should I claim?

Should I claim?

Maybe not quite yet, but things do appear to be moving in that direction

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaxTheFox

[/spooler]

This message in particular made me chuckle as I typed it

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

... but then I read this. It strikes me as either a direct defense of Italiano, or possibly an indirect defense of VFP. I think it's too early, and Luke's reads are too weak to justify this type of play if he is town.

Not sure where you got that it was a defense of either Italiano or VFP?

You said that something

I had done

had piqued your interest
"VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me... When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest"

It me. I did that.

So I dropped my own reason for doing it.

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I know you're the one that did it, and I and I believe the rest of the thread understood why you did it. What I did not understand was the town motivation for a post explaining it off as a joke. It happened early on during RVS, and offering an unprompted explanation indicates that you felt a need to defend the action. This is what makes me think it is a "defense." It seems more likely to be for Italiano because you are defending the action that brought my attention to the reason I originally voted for Italiano. I saw the possibility it could be in defense of VFP because it could make his wagon seem like less of a big deal when you explain that a former vote for him was a joke.

Unprompted? What are you talking about?

I saw like 4+ people talking about the movements on and off of VFP (which I was a part of), so I chimed in to the conversation.

[Lukewarm]

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

[Lukewarm]

I know you're the one that did it, and I and I believe the rest of the thread understood why you did it. What I did not understand was the town motivation for a post explaining it off as a joke.

It is also hard to take this post as genuine, when Kyouko is a person who literally questioned me directly over it

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaxTheFox

Why you voting Max my guy? Why the switch so soon?

JohnnyFarrar - horrible track record of reading. always seems scummy to everyone.

Ftfy

Can confirm.
Got scum read last game because I was the only one not pushing a SR on Johnny

(we were both town)

Speaking of which, don't worry Johnny, I am starting with a hard SR on you this time. I learned my lesson

So where's the vote?

So which is it? Was it so obviously a joke vote, that it is scummy for me to explain it? Or was it something that you thought you should question me over?

Kind of hard to believe both imo

[Lukewarm]

I just find it hard to believe that you could personally have commented on my vote swapping multiple times (and witnessed many more people comment on it)

Spoiler:

Why the switch so soon?

Seems to me to be RVS, though I did notice the same thing, that the votes came in somewhat quickly. I don't like any of the voters for VFP...

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me. I think at the time there had been 3 people, maybe 4 that had voted VFP at some point. 2 RVS votes on the same person does not a wagon make. When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

These are the times you personally commented on it, you were also talking to multiple other people who also commented on it

And then genuinely think this:

I know you're the one that did it, and I and I believe the rest of the thread understood why you did it. What I did not understand was the town motivation for a post explaining it off as a joke. It happened early on during RVS, and offering an unprompted explanation indicates that you felt a need to defend the action.

You are trying to have it both ways. You question it. You say you don't like it. You say it stood out to you. You say that it piques your interest.

But also, you want to claim that explaining it makes no sense because it was obvious to the entire thread why it happened.

[Lukewarm]

You are trying to have it both ways. You question it. You say you don't like it. You say it stood out to you. You say that it piques your interest.

But also, you want to claim that explaining it makes no sense because it was obvious to the entire thread why it happened.

And so I think that one of those stances is not genuine

Spoiler:

Or both!

[Lukewarm]

As I already told you, and you ignored, I was questioning you on the Max vote, not on the switch. I understand the second question in my original post said "why the switch," but it was intended to be following my question about why you chose to vote Max. I would think that if you had genuine concern about my alignment you would at least be reading my posts.

I still reason that the explanation you gave did not have town motivation.

Ignored? My new comment was a direct response to post 250.

You have a (weak) explanation for why you asked the first time. So I pointed out that you commented on it several more times other then that one, and mentioned that you must have seen multiple other people comment on it as well.

Just because my read does not do a 180 flip after reading your post does not mean that I did not read it

Plus it feels like you ignored 80% of my first sentence, in order to only comment on the Max vote

I just find it hard to believe that you could personally have commented on my vote swapping

multiple times (and witnessed many more people comment on it)

Then ignored 2 of the 3 quotes I gave as examples

Spoiler:

Why the switch so soon?

Seems to me to be RVS, though I did notice the same thing, that the votes came in somewhat quickly. I don't like any of the voters for VFP...

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me. I think at the time there had been 3 people, maybe 4 that had voted VFP at some point. 2 RVS votes on the same person does not a wagon make. When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

These are the times you personally commented on it, you were also talking to multiple other people who also commented on it

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What I said

You are trying to have it both ways. You question it. You say you don't like it. You say it stood out to you. You say that it piques your interest.

But also, you want to claim that explaining it makes no sense because it was obvious to the entire thread why it happened.

What you responded to

You are trying to have it both ways. You question it-

Because I am pretty sure you said all of the other things too

I don't like any of the voters for VFP...

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me.

When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

[Lukewarm]

Gamma Emerald
Noraa
VFP

UC Voyager
Save The Dragons
JohnnyFarrar
Dunnstral
Andresvmb
ItalianoVD

MaxTheFox
ssbm_Kyouko
RLotus

These are not ordered inside the tiers, but my current thoughts on the player list

Any reasons?

You have not posted anything that makes me feel like you are solving. Only posted content was to TR the most widely TRed player.

Made multiple posts about Kyouko.

RLotus's post 179 caused a gut reaction scum read, and that is all he has posted so far, so there he is

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm why are you shading everyone?

Everyone?

I have 3 people I am leaning scum on, 3 people I am leaning town on, and everyone else is still sitting in null.

[Lukewarm]

my experience with Dunn in completed games is one, he was town and barely showed up unless you attacked him

So then you’d say that being lucky is nai?

i'd say i don't have enough data

though my other game with dunn just ended and he was a traitor and was less lurky.

From what everyone has been saying about their experience with Dunn, it does seem NAI for him to lurk a bit on Day 1.

Looking back at my 1 completed game with him, he was town, and he had one of the lowest post counts Day 1, but then his content picked up substantially later on in the game

[Lukewarm]

I don't like the Dunn wagon. I think that it has been pretty well established that Dunn lurks Day 1 regardless of alignment, but lots of people are still sitting there without really giving a reasoning that I can really understand as to why this is scumDunn lurking bs townDunn lurking. Looking at his iso for this game and my last game with him (where he was town), he feels the same Day 1.

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

[Lukewarm]

This wagon took off so fast

It turns our you are the town leader this game, congrats

You point a FoS someone, and the whole town follows

[Lukewarm]

This wagon took off so fast

It turns our you are the town leader this game, congrats

You point a FoS someone, and the whole town follows

That's all you have to say?

Yeah

[Lukewarm]

From my experience with Dunn, he is very hard for me to get a read on, he seems to just float by at the bottom of null all game. So yeah, I like the direction there from gamma.

VOTE: Dunn

No one else has stood out to me thus far

This is the main thing that pinged me for Lotus. His thoughts about and vote on Dunn felt strange. Hard to read + floating in null = the only person who has stood out to him so far. Those seem almost counter to one another. So it felt like he was just trying to justify joining a wagon, and that justification felt insincere.

But I also don't like how quick his wagon formed up, especially given that the wagon was sparked by someone who most of the lobby appeared to have null read or a scum lean on. That is why I commented on Dunn apparently being a town leader, because it does seem weird to me that so many people immediately jumped on his FoS.

[Lukewarm]

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

Spoiler:

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Luke is town

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

That’s not what called for a response in that post

VOTE: Dunnstral
I would like to actively push this atp

No one asked, but this is why I feel like Gamma is partnered with Kyouko. Me and Kyouko have a decently sized back and forth about my scum read on him ending in post 259

Gamma comes in, after the entire back and forth is over, and has this have this very quick progression on the topic

• Luke is town (263)
  
• I agree that this could be suspicious (265)
  
• But look, Dunn (266)
  
• Lets actually talk about him (267)

Like they are all back to back, and look to me like they are actively trying to redirect the conversation without appearing to defend their partner.

It is the weird "I TR the person making the accusation, and even agree that Kyouko seems off, but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about a lurker instead."

So, incase anyone was interested where I am at, I am still leaning towards Kyouko for a vote today because it would give me more info on whether that really was a scum partner save from Gamma, or if Gamma really is town.

[Lukewarm]

Also, if I am right about Kyouko, I think Gamma is his partner.

But the Gamma read is a association based, so I would only push there if Kyouko flips red.

Spoiler:

Willing to vote UC, Kyoko, Ita, Luke today. Anybody else you or they will have to convince me

VOTE: uc[/v]

Luke is town

Literally every stance Kyouko has made feels off to me. Like they are hunting for excuses to scum read people (which scum do), instead of actually reading people (which townies do)

VOTE: Kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

my suggestion is to either yeet Andres or Dunn.
It seems stupid to be going and yeeting Ita, VFP, or Mon who are all known to be LHF.

Dunn wagon has a decent amount of resistance. Tbh im really uncertain on Dunn but I do think that if he doesn't start towning up, he maybe should die today because if he is scum and gets replaced, its very damn possible that I'll just let him go and the replacement will slip by for a long time and that's horrible. And Andres dipped off saying he was drunk and still hasn't come back. I have a specific reason why I think Andres is scum which, if he is scum and comes back to the thread, I think I can verify. If he doesn't come back, then he needs to be replaced. However, I do also hope he doesn't rep out cuz my tell won't necessarily work on someone else. I think that if both Dunn and Andres get replaced, we should yeet Andres because im more confident in that being scum(kinda) I dunno im just still very weirded out that I dont have a solid read on Dunn at this point. Normally, like 3 posts in, I should already know exactly what alignment he is!!!!

I don't plan on needing a replacement...

That’s not what called for a response in that post

VOTE: Dunnstral
I would like to actively push this atp

No one asked, but this is why I feel like Gamma is partnered with Kyouko. Me and Kyouko have a decently sized back and forth about my scum read on him ending in post 259

Gamma comes in, after the entire back and forth is over, and has this have this very quick progression on the topic

• Luke is town (263)
  
• I agree that this could be suspicious (265)
  
• But look, Dunn (266)
  
• Lets actually talk about him (267)

Like they are all back to back, and look to me like they are actively trying to redirect the conversation without appearing to defend their partner.

It is the weird "I TR the person making the accusation, and even agree that Kyouko seems off, but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about a lurker instead."

So, incase anyone was interested where I am at, I am still leaning towards Kyouko for a vote today because it would give me more info on whether that really was a scum partner save from Gamma, or if Gamma really is town.

I'm town so if you are also you should think about whether this fits a situation where Gamma is scum trying to buddy/pocket me or whatever you want to call it.

Personally I think it's more likely he is town here but I did think something was off about interactions between myself, Gamma, and Noraa early on. Just a feeling.

I do not think it makes sense for him to have been trying to pocket either you or me tbh.

If he was trying to pocket you, then he would not have agreed with my scum read logic towards you. If he was trying to pocket me, I feel like he would have joined me in my push.

So imo, the only situation where I come away from this interaction thinking Gamma is scum, is if you are scum

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mmm I dont really buy the gamma/ssb case. its a bit far fetched. I think they could be buddies but probs not because of that. it seems really specific and things that specific aren't the most reliable imo.

Well, my case against Kyouko had nothing to do with Gamma, and is my stronger read of the two.

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

[Lukewarm]

Gamma is more of an after thought to that one tbh

that's kind of what I thought. but I think you're slightly confbiasing.
ok so I think I've settled on a read on ssb and it could be wrong but I wanna share it with you to get your opinion. I think ssb is town. A lot of their posts show this frustration that I *have* seen scum replicate but is kind of difficult to replicate. It's this annoyance that he's not being showy about. Like over the course of this game, for the most part ssb has been drowned out and ignored to some extent but 1) he's still trying and 2) he's not trying to show us that he's annoyed/upset, its being conveyed in a very subtle way.

At least, I personally feel those emotions. Whether or not other people do, idk. but I think he's town.

also I've decided that I dont want to read that large chunk of things that ssb told me to read. I dont feel like it.

How you gonna describe exactly how I have felt this game, then give those feelings to Kyouko

A big part of the reason why my read on Kyouko hasn't changed is because absolutely no one engaged with our back and forth. You and Gamma are the only people I saw comment on the conversation, you openly said that you did not read it, and Gamma tried to change to topic without engaging.

And I cannot figure out why there was no one who agreed with me AND there was no one who bothered to tell me my read/logic was shit.

My best guess is that the scum are in the active players this game, and the scum did not want to agree with it (because it was their partner) but they also did not want to appear like they were defending him.

So, if I am wrong, can I get like 5 people to tell me my Kyouko case was shitty, so I can feel like town actually read it

[Lukewarm]

Fuck it. time to turn off brain this game and sheep Noraa I guess

VOTE: rlotus

[Lukewarm]

Btw, out-of-game post,

I noticed everyone is saying lim like short for eliminate? Is it nor appropriate to use the L word on site anymore? haven't played in a while. I notice even the mod says "to reach majority."

It is my understanding that the L word is frowned upon. Someone said something to me my first game because I did not know

[Lukewarm]

From the way that people are talking about my Kyouko read is very clear that no one in the thread except Kyouko read posts 247 - 259

Spoiler:

(especially the people who think that Gamma has anything to do with my Kyouko read)

I was voting Kyouko because of their early posts, and then the way they very selectively responded to my push on them

The Gamma stuff was unrelated to that read, but I do think that a Kyouko flip would help me sort Gamma better.

That they were defending Town and could be White Knighting? Because that’s an option you haven’t explicitly stated but could be occurring.

... and I did explicitly state that option, and explained why I did not think that was the case in post 529

But I have also completely surrendered on this push. Currently sheeping instead.

[Lukewarm]

Ok if no one wants lotus to claim, then why is everyone on that wagon?
we either force lotus to claim or switch wagons. there's literally no others choices with 15 hours on the clock

No honestly, could you please explain to me why you seem to have confidence in me being scum? You seem to be trying really hard to push this through between pressuring me to claim and other's to vote. Is there no one else you are considering?

I didn't originally SR you but your refusal to claim is weird. Like your recent posts have all been very very dodgy.

It is fucking scummy to push for claim before it is necessary and I don't see a reason to atm

And explain what you mean by dodgy

How do you define when it is necessary, because I am pretty sure you hit e-1 with someone saying they had an intent to hammer. That seems about as late as you can reasonably wait, right?

[Lukewarm]

I am not trying to pull anything with my claiming you numbskulls I will claim when I am at e-1 with a an intent to hammer

You are at e-2 right now with 2 people both having stated an intent to hammer you (Nora and VFP), which is functionally the same thing.

[Lukewarm]

Fake cop guilties are


I am curious, why I was killed day 1 tho.

Looked at mafia chat, and two people said "I think luke is a good choice" but neither really said why.

I was confused when I died lol

[Lukewarm]

[quote="In post 10, samantha97"]the one thing that verges on a spoiler that I'll say is: I don't think it was possible for mafia to win this setup no matter who rolled mafia

or at least very unlikely

but I could be wrong/quote]

@Scum team, good job proving the mod wrong lol

[Lukewarm]

I have seen 2 fake cop guilties in my short time on this site. Both times, both the fake cop and the fake target were town

[Lukewarm]

MaxTheFox [2]: Gamma Emerald, Andresvmb [-1]
Gamma Emerald [2]: MaxTheFox, ItalianoVD [-1]

Not Voting: Save The Dragons

@STD once the votes reached this point, then from your pov the scum team had to be on a wagon together, right? If they were split on 2 wagons, then they could have hammered which ever wagon was town.

So at that point I think you needed to stop looking at individual slots, and decide if {Gamma, Andre} or {Max, Italiano} makes more sense as the scum team.

Spoiler:

Unless of course the team is Gamma, Max, but then you would be right either way, so the above thought process would not lead you astray

To be fair, I did not keep up with this game very closely after I died night 1, so maybe you did do that, but that was a thought I had when I saw that you were the deciding vote in Elo

[Lukewarm]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ts_as_Town

Fun read about fake guilties

[Lukewarm]

I think my favorite part is that in the end, it says that if you want to fake guilty someone, you should lock town them instead. Thought it was a joke before, but so far it is 2 for 2 that that would have been the better play

[Lukewarm]

I was pretty sure I was correct when I claimed it. I considered rescinding at E-1, I briefly had 180'd on you but thought we'd be better off after my flip with the info from my wagon. Nobody paid attention to it though.

Morning of the final day though I was back to SRing you.

By the way, do scum win if the majority votes for no elimination for several days in a row, or is that no longer a thing? Or was that only ever a thing in Newbie games?

Honestly, if you insisted on doing a gambit, I think the better gambit would have been faking an innocent on Gamma.

[Lukewarm]

As in I was wrong, but had every reason to believe you were scum based on your play.

And if that is the case, then you should try and convince the town of that. Faking a guilty is admitting that you cannot push your scum reads legitimately :/