Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Egix96]

VOTE: MixLixWix

Consider this vote your initiation to the site

[Egix96]

Bulge, what particularly stuck out to you about that? What stuck out to me was mostly that it was a brand newbie supposedly having read a bunch of games. This reads to me as if almost fake helpful and as if it was fed by a scumpartner.

In the queue I made it clear that I wasn't "a brand newbie", and was reading games. I urge everyone to give it a look.

Of all my accusers, this looks the worst.

VOTE: t3

I think you'll just have to accept that people don't usually read sign up threads after inning.

[Egix96]

I did read an Open where he was scum. In that game he kept his posts fairly short and won.

Which he, sorry?

[Egix96]

I am a bit wary that you appear to have discounted so many of the people that have not posted very much yet tho. Like, Egix, The Bulge, and [the Opposite slot] are all still sitting in null for me.

Yeah, sorry for not really engaging yet but I'll try to dig in some more later.

[Egix96]

Which he, sorry?

T3. But the game I looked at he actually lost.

Open 808.

Oh right, I thought you might have meant me.

[Egix96]

I mostly rely on gut analysis to form reads.

What prompted you to say this?

[Egix96]

Okay. I've spent a couple of hours reading through ISOs. I'll try to summarise everything here.

Luke - Town lean for 29 and 48.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

Roden only has one major post so far, but I did like this part:

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon.

T3 - I have bad vibes from 37 and I don't really buy his explanation that it was a joke.

Bulge - Slight town lean for starting with a serious vote and being willing to give Zyla more time to simmer rather than heading straight in on a push.

Wayward - Has made a couple of strange comments but I kinda like 57.

Xlos - Dislike 58 because it feels like trying to force something from nothing.

Zyla - Town feels from 59, also 41 is something that I don't feel like scum would normally broach the subject on.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: T3

[Egix96]

There were two very fast wagons and some serious accusations thrown around very early into Day 1. It's just surprising seeing people push hard on their votes so early into the game.

I mean, with the site meya we have here, it kinda has to happen or else nothing will happen.

Also, ftr, I didn't actually realise my vote was an E1 when I made it. Still fine with that tho.

[Egix96]

M e t a not meya

[Egix96]

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

While reading the five people after you in alphabetical order I must have forgotten you had said that

[Egix96]

VOTE: Xlos

It's either this or Bulge imo. From re-reading, I think everyone else is town.

[Egix96]

Anyway, I don't think I've read said much about my reads yet, so

Currently, Luke is my main TR, Bulge seems to be leaning in that direction, but honestly hasn't posted that much yet, so mostly null.
I've been liking Egix for town, but I do want to see what he says about having something to gain from the NK.
Mix has been hard for me to read, so honestly I'm null on them
Wayward and Xlos are both pretty high on my suspect list, but I want to see what Mix and Bulge think of the night happenings before I commit to a vote.

What I think is that scum simply saw 209 and ran with it. It's actually a smart move because not only does it cast doubt on me, but it's also hard for me to trace it to any specific person.

[Egix96]

The case for Zyla is pretty compelling, but I still think that Egix is more likely.

If we end up in consensus that the scum is likely between Egix or Zyla, then we can just kill them both

We get to kill 3 more people total before we lose

I'm doubtful that Zyla is scum tbh. I'll try to dig in some more later today, but being hasty here is the worst thing to do.

[Egix96]

If all this Mason talk is correct, then we're facing a Goon or a Roleblocker. The role blocker is useless against Masons, so this might be real good!

Also, the Mason team was assumed to be Mix-Los, and xlos has claimed he's not a mason,

so unfortunately I think that Rolecop is back in the game

, and that's useful in any line-up

I know it's not much, but this was the recent snippet I was feeling town from.

[Egix96]

I have the bulge as pretty hard town tbh

Are you willing to go into more detail on this? I'm asking because I don't think I'll be able to form an actual read on Bulge that isn't just PoE, otherwise.

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Bulge, what particularly stuck out to you about that? What stuck out to me was mostly that it was a brand newbie supposedly having read a bunch of games. This reads to me as if almost fake helpful and as if it was fed by a scumpartner.

In the queue I made it clear that I wasn't "a brand newbie", and was reading games. I urge everyone to give it a look.

Of all my accusers, this looks the worst.

VOTE: t3

At start of day, this post was my main reason for having Wayward as town.
The problem I have now is that I'm feeling like my bar for gauging whether something is distancing or not may have been set too low, especially since IME it has not been too uncommon for scum to Omgus-vote their own buddies.
Also, to address something a bit more recent, I find it surprising that Luke "fully believe(s) that this was a genuine town-slip" (referring to 230) since, if someone is town, they need to check the nightkill to make sure they're not dead themself.

Tangent aside, going back to earlygame posts, I found this interesting in retrospect:

Zyla, T3, Wayward, Xlos* (* pending response) are my suspects right now.

I'm thinking, if Mix had both scum in this section, wouldn't they be a top priority for the NK? It's what's giving me doubt about flipping my read on Wayward, and also makes me less certain about Xlos.

In addition to that, I find it somewhat surprising that Xlos has been the only one to vote me so far this Day. I was more expecting that people would pile on me first, with scum simply having to sit back and watch as I was falsely incriminated, rather than them having to take the initiative themself.

UNVOTE:

^^ I don't normally do that, but I might need another day to fully decide my vote.

[Egix96]

I was more expecting that people would pile on me first, with scum simply having to sit back and watch as I was falsely incriminated, rather than them having to take the initiative themself.

Scum saved you from that by killing Roden.

(And that does include you possibly having saved yourself)

I don't think you quite understand.
Roden was so convinced I was scum that he directly asked me to kill him.
So of course, once he dies, on the surface, it looks like I did it.

I could go off on a tangent about the whole dilemma of whether or not Alice kills Bob when he's utterly convined that Charlie is scum, but I'm sure you get the rest.

[Egix96]

Could you explain this progression, please?

Because there was a scum flip, I re-read during the night phase, but focused on interactions with T3 more than on posts that may read as towny on their own but don't mention T3.

[Egix96]

As far as egix, like I just said, my read is pretty null on them, considering how little they seem to post. Honestly though, with the fact that they've actually posted less than the gm, it's starting to feel more anti-town than just null. I'm tempted to look into his meta and see if that's normal for him as town, and tbh I usually dislike using meta (although it was helpful in T3's case)

I don't usually post a lot, no. Tbf, I probably would have had more if D1 hadn't ended earlier than I expected.

[Egix96]

But to OMGUS vote a partner right off the bat and never let up would be some "nerves of steel" play with not a particularly high chance of success.

How exactly, though? Not meaning to be patronising or anything, I'm just finding it hard to process this argument.

[Egix96]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

Hmmm, I'm feeling like the parts I've highlighted here could be pretty important.
Others are welcome to comment.

[Egix96]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

[Egix96]

@Xlos:

If I emphasise that I said "if Mix had" (and I probably should have put "had had"), does it make more sense?
I find it very unreasonable for you to be asking that question in good faith.

[Egix96]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'd rather have another candidate so we can get more controversial choice, otherwise mafia will just kill lukewarm the next day and we haven't learned anything.

are you assuming that t3 is mafia and lukewarm is town here? if so then why would you not want t3 to be today's elimination?

I

think

he is saying that T3 is scum and I am town, but wants all to keep talking and trying to find a counter wagon so that the mafia will have a harder choice with their night kill? Honestly, the whole post from Xlos makes my head hurt

I'm was imagining the situation where T3 is town. But thinking about it more, the mafia killing lukewarm in the night might not make sense - I imagining they would do that since he's the most town-read so far, but this is less obviously true the next day if t3 flips town. So ignore the second part of the sentence. The point is that I think controversy is better to analyze than global agreement. It's not about me wanting or not wanting T3 to be lynched.

I think I've been posting fairly suspiciously but I haven't had that much suspicion fall on me yet

I think you have had like 4 total posts before this. And I have looked at them with a bit of suspicion, which is why I had you the category of

"I need to hear more from you so I can tell if your posts sound off because you are scum or just because you are new"

Are you saying that you have been purposefully suspicious in order to gauge how town reacted to you? wtf?

Your whole post just now gives me a headache.

No, I haven't been purposefully suspicious, I just got the feeling that some of my posts felt suspicious afterword's, since most of what I was doing was trying to make arguments on people from basically 0 evidence (day 1 is hard). Writing my posts gives me a headache too in a way; I read into things a lot... it's only going to get worse,

last game I played I had these 5-step if-then statements in every post and half the time I just had a logic error in my argument cause there was too much to keep track of.

Well, hopefully I'll do better this game.

Lukewarm (I get confused when people shorten it to Luke)
...
Mix hasn't talked too much since the start of the day

How are you gonna be confused by people shortening Lukewarm -> Luke, but also feel comfortable shortening MixLixWix-> Mix lmao

Spoiler:

unless you are also named Luke, so you think people might be talking about you

I'm not named Luke, but Lukewarm is a word with some meaning, and Luke does not have the same meaning at all. It's kind of like shortening a compound word, but is Lukewarm really a compound word? Meanwhile both MixLixWix and Mix mean nothing, and all 3 parts of the compound word are almost the same.

Forgot to do this yesterday UNVOTE: .

Like, yeah... based on this, it's unreasonable that you didn't understand.

VOTE: Xlos

[Egix96]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

It's like this:
Alice: I think that Bob is town.
Alice, ten minutes later: Hmmm, actually there's one little thing that makes me doubt that. Anyone else feeling that way?

Then Bob kills Alice because, even though she was townreading him overall, he feared that she might re-consider if left alive.

[Egix96]

This could be WIFOM

It was something he made up on the spot for certain, because T3 posted multiple times between me voting him, and him saying that it "felt opportunistic and scmmy."

Of course, there's not much chance that me mentioning that will change your mind, but I would advise against it being your main reason to suspect me.

[Egix96]

Most Town

Lukewarm
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Zyla
Pavowski slot ~~ Bulge
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Wayward
Xlos

Least Town

That's my legacy.

[Egix96]

"For certain"? Can you be sure of that?

What I mean is that, if T3 had really "thought" it, he would have mentioned it much sooner.

[Egix96]

I guess you should go ahead and claim Egix.

You can treat this as my

intent to hammer

I'm vanilla town.

[Egix96]

You can use 427 as a guide for F5, but if the game ends up going to F3, always exercise due diligence.

[Egix96]

Intent to hammer on Zyla.
I know this goes against my reads, but I can't just let myself die.

[Egix96]

Actually should we wait for a Zyla claim?

Not so much a claim, but rather her final thoughts.

[Egix96]

As much as I am not confident in this vote, I am even less confident the votes are there to eliminate Egix tonight. Let's hope this is the game.

I'm glad I was able to spread

some

doubt at least

Anyway, I can't say I'm

surprised

, even if I am slightly disappointed I don't make it another day.
GG all and congrats on a game well played

So it was you?

[Egix96]

Like, I know you said GG, but I've seen too many people claim scum as town in my life...

[Egix96]

Honestly, that's totally me, so I guess we'll have to wait for the big guy to say

Well played. I thought you were really pure tonally.