Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Wayward Son]

VOTE: Egix96

In Newbie 2060 you were confirmed Town. I'm not convinced that's the case this time around... Yet.

[Wayward Son]

VOTE: wayward son

serious vote

The naked vote with the word serious shook me so bad I had to go self medicate!

VOTE: Egix96

In Newbie 2060 you were confirmed Town. I'm not convinced that's the case this time around... Yet.

Actually, this is interesting. I was in 2060 with Egix, and you were not there. What drew you into reading that game?

Egix was in it, and I wanted a baseline meta read. You being in it was an added plus.

[Wayward Son]

Just about everyone. Never got to you though. I didn't finish 2060 before this game started.

[Wayward Son]

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

Is this to be your hero solve? I save mine until closer to the end of Day 1.

Not that I can prove it but I've never RVSed a scum buddy.

[Wayward Son]

Bulge, what particularly stuck out to you about that? What stuck out to me was mostly that it was a brand newbie supposedly having read a bunch of games. This reads to me as if almost fake helpful and as if it was fed by a scumpartner.

In the queue I made it clear that I wasn't "a brand newbie", and was reading games. I urge everyone to give it a look.

Of all my accusers, this looks the worst.

VOTE: t3

[Wayward Son]

As for the T3 stuff, I honestly don't know. As far as I can tell, t3 doesn't really have a list of games they participated in, and I don't have enough information to tell whether Luke picked a random bunch of games, random games that happen to show t3 in a negative light, or what

This sounds like you're scum reading Luke? It doesn't fit with the first half of the post.

[Wayward Son]

Could you expand upon why this is the worse offender from your accusers/why that behavior is scummy? Do you agree with Lukewarm's meta case?

It feels like Bulge is actually questioning things. T3 is building some kind of narrative that doesn't make any sense. If my RVSing someone from a game I

just

finished has any scum potential (and to say I was coached into it) by Egix no less, sounds so out there I can't begin to fathom that its a real read.

I did read an Open where he was scum. In that game he kept his posts fairly short and won.

Zyla is my second suspect. Either scum or flighty town.

[Wayward Son]

mainly the "shook me so bad" bit, but "i've never rvsed a scumbuddy" and their seemingly only hunting within their accusers reinforces that for me.

Shook me so bad was a joke.

Never RVSed a scum buddy is true.

I've had 4 players out of 6(?) players actually playing, vote me at some point today. I don't believe all are town.

[Wayward Son]

It feels like Bulge is actually questioning things. T3 is building some kind of narrative that doesn't make any sense. If my RVSing someone from a game I just finished has any scum potential (and to say I was coached into it) by Egix no less, sounds so out there I can't begin to fathom that its a real read.

EBWOP: just finished reading

[Wayward Son]

Which he, sorry?

T3. But the game I looked at he actually lost.

Open 808.

[Wayward Son]

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it.

But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes.

We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

To me, it looks like you scum read Xlos the most, but ended up voting someone who "isn't giving off scum vibes"? Why Luke over someone (T3) who's giving off weird vibes?

Personally, Bulge, Mix, and Luke are my strongest TRs.

Egix is a gut TR.

[Wayward Son]

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

While reading the five people after you in alphabetical order I must have forgotten you had said that

I'm really drunk tonight, forgot it was a 4 day holiday. Seriously. And also Father's Day, a lil early.

Why read thw thread in alphabetical order??? I always read it in chronical order.

WHY?

[Wayward Son]

I personally think Bulge, Mix, and Luke are above suspicion.

Not so sure on Egix anymore. if not him, then Roden.

I never made my Hero Solve Yesterday, but I'd almost bet it's one of them.

[Wayward Son]

Oh. Slinks away.

[Wayward Son]

My next best guess would be Xlos, but I'd have to get it (my scum read) together tomorrow. It's been a long and hard holiday.

Pedit Xlos is sus, I'll explain tomorrow.

[Wayward Son]

Zyla would have to be town, if I'm right.

[Wayward Son]

Egix's ISo isn't long and doesn't say much, but I'm not getting any scum vibes from it.

Opinions?

[Wayward Son]

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to

Even votes with a reason during RVS are random and searching, if your are town.

I'm struggling to make sense of 58. The connection is "not too convincing", making me think Zyla is town.

Twice in 71 he lightly defends me, maybe a White Knight? A scum who defends a townie.

He never, correct me if I'm wrong, never justifies the vote on bulge. He just goes after T3 from there on out.

155 He defends T3 a bit with theories of a T3 town. This post feels really defensive.

In 130 he calls me "mafia-esque" and throws some shade at the bulge. Then he town reads Roden.

131 fluff

156 He defends Roden and susses me. Asks Mix why I'm not sus.

173 This is all a WK of Roden and defense of T3.

174 This is basically a good bye and a note that says "it seems I'm not the only one." that realizes that T3 is going down.

This is my take. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

[Wayward Son]

Note Egix votes T3 later, risking whatever suspicion Roden promises, a bit of a shift. But not surprising he said he did most of the analysis later. Overall Egix has town-like behavior. I like his long post cause it's the kind of post I've made when I was town with nice formatting and stuff (though I guess I've never been non town except for one game when I joke claimed scum in my first post and got lynched for it D1. I wasn't scum either though...)

After the game, I'd like to know if this is true. You've never been scum?

[Wayward Son]

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

This is also slightly condemning.

[Wayward Son]

It's gut reading man... given that I'm not a mason with T3, I can't imagine why the man doesn't want to say why he thinks anything. It's not like he'll be alive D2 to explain, or like we will gain any insight on what he meant by killing him if he does turns out to be town. Maybe he's just tired.

For me this seals it. He tries to paint T3 town in his posts. A lot.

VOTE: Xlos

[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla When you first brought up Masons in 41, it was in connection with Egix and I.

Why are you Mason hunting on Day 1 anyway? Why would town hunt Masons on Day 1?

[Wayward Son]

If all this Mason talk is correct, then we're facing a Goon or a Roleblocker. The role blocker is useless against Masons, so this might be real good!

[Wayward Son]

I do think that a lot of his post against me in 237 wasn't particularly compelling, but that's likely just because he listed every single post I made.

I'm not trying to talk you into being scum. I'm looking for scum.

I'd like more players to put in their 2 cents worth.

[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla there's no danger scum will quick hammer. It helps people know where I think the game might be headed.

I'm going to be playing Zombicide (a board game) at my son's house, so I'm going to disappear for a few hours.

[Wayward Son]

Wayward and Xlos are both pretty high on my suspect list, but I want to see what Mix and Bulge think of the night happenings before I commit to a vote.

Using ctrl f I went through your ISO. This is the first place you mentioned any scum read on Xlos.

How did you come to this conclusion?

[Wayward Son]

I'm doubtful that Zyla is scum tbh. I'll try to dig in some more later today, but being hasty here is the worst thing to do.

I'm looking forward to your reasoning.

[Wayward Son]

I would like to see what Wayward Son's and Mix's reads are at the present time. I may change my vote.

I really think it can't be anyone other than Zyla, with an off chance of Egix.

I still think Mix is town even though they haven't checked in. They did look at the thread today.

While rereading Mix's ISO, several things stood out concerning Zyla but it's all been discussed a few times.

@ Zyla If you're town, who do you think is framing you??? Personally I don't see anyone.

[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla I had multiple pages open and somehow missed 301 until I read it in your ISO. Sorry.

Do you actually think Xlos is trying to frame you? I'm convinced Xlos isn't a Mason.

[Wayward Son]

I'm not so sure about Zyla being it. It seems like Lukewarm and Bulge are suspecting her in part because they don't understand her logic, especially Bulge:

@ Zyla This doesn't sound like someone trying to frame you.

[Wayward Son]

I do want to say that I didn't care for 173, but mainly because it was defending T3 and I had scum read him by then.

[Wayward Son]

The one thing I'm stuck on is the NK. Roden was defending Zyla Day 1, so why would she NK him. Unless it was just PR hunting?

[Wayward Son]

Last post tonight, I promise.

@ Zyla In 253 the first quote is attributed to Luke, but he didn't say that. Do you know how that happened?

[Wayward Son]

At start of day, this post was my main reason for having Wayward as town.
The problem I have now is that I'm feeling like my bar for gauging whether something is distancing or not may have been set too low, especially since IME it has not been too uncommon for scum to Omgus-vote their own buddies.
Also, to address something a bit more recent, I find it surprising that Luke "fully believe(s) that this was a genuine town-slip" (referring to 230) since, if someone is town, they need to check the nightkill to make sure they're not dead themself.

But to OMGUS vote a partner right off the bat and never let up would be some "nerves of steel" play with not a particularly high chance of success.

The Roden mistake was a lil embarrassing.

[Wayward Son]

UNVOTE:

[Wayward Son]

Bulge - Slight town lean for starting with a serious vote and being willing to give Zyla more time to simmer rather than heading straight in on a push.

VOTE: Xlos

It's either this or Bulge imo. From re-reading, I think everyone else is town.

I have the bulge as pretty hard town tbh

Are you willing to go into more detail on this? I'm asking because I don't think I'll be able to form an actual read on Bulge that isn't just PoE, otherwise.

Could you explain this progression, please?

[Wayward Son]

Ugh, I just need Mix to return

I most definitely agree!

I never said I was being framed? I don't think the night kill had anything to do with me

You're getting a lot of heat, and

if

you're town, then someone might be trying to frame you. Or scum is letting town steer itself in the wrong direction. What do you think of Egix?

If you're town the NK couldn't have had anything to do with you. The NK is the thing that most makes me think I might be wrong on you.

[Wayward Son]

If I was scum with T3 I would have had to be willing to sacrifice my partner before the game even started. That doesn't sound like smart scum play to me. I'd have to play out several Days with no help from anyone.

I'm not that good at scum theater.

[Wayward Son]

The people I won't vote, ever, just shrunk.

Now it's just Luke and The Bulge. Luke caught T3, and if The Bulge isn't town, then congrats on pocketing me. I think I'm right about him though. It sure doesn't feel like he was trying to pocket me, and his scum hunting looks genuine.

I guess we're in a holding pattern until Mix's replacement gets here.

[Wayward Son]

Thread is dead today; I thought my last post was pretty controversial. It's interesting how similar Egix is the only one who agrees with me on Zyla, but it seems that he came to that conclusion by himself, since he mentioned something in 292 but I didn't mention much disagreement until 311. Honestly everybody is looking like a townie. I'm pretty good at this game, since that means I got 6/7 alignments

This is where I join the thread. I'll be around for a few hours.

[Wayward Son]

@ Xlos: I think you're wrong on bulge. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.

I think is has to be Egix or Zyla.

BTW My oldest and me did karaoke and etc. today, so if I were scum, now's the time to catch me!

Let's talk.

drunken posts.

[Wayward Son]

Also welcome Pavowski. I had your slot as lock town.

What do you think of that?

[Wayward Son]

I'll be reading Mini 2167 and checking in every page or two.

[Wayward Son]

Fluff @ bulge

Spoiler:

In 2167 I keep thinking you're town and am rooting for you. Confbias??

NO spoilers!

[Wayward Son]

I didn't know the bulge was in the game until after I started reading it. If You think it matters.

[Wayward Son]

Given that we're in the same situation as this game, I have to say that I'm curious what the 'bizarre distancing tactics' encompassed.

For future reference.

[Wayward Son]

All fluff

I got to page 62.

Also, a famous scummer said "I prefer real time interrogations." - ffery

Night all

[Wayward Son]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

[Wayward Son]

While laying in the dark (not sleeping),I kinda decided that I'd like to push Egix all the way to a claim. If he claims a PR, we can address it tomorrow.

[Wayward Son]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

It's like this:
Alice: I think that Bob is town.
Alice, ten minutes later: Hmmm, actually there's one little thing that makes me doubt that. Anyone else feeling that way?

Then Bob kills Alice because, even though she was townreading him overall, he feared that she might re-consider if left alive.

This narrative doesn't seem to match the event, but OK.

[Wayward Son]

T3"s "bizarre distancing tactics" were in Large Normal 232 for those interested.

[Wayward Son]

I think Roden was suspicious over Egix putting T3 to L1. At least that was all I saw.

[Wayward Son]

I have 3 pages to read. I'm sorry about my "streams of drunkeness", I'll get it under control, especially here in Rome.

Reading. I'll be here for awhile.

[Wayward Son]

I think it's Zyla, sorry Xlos, but I think it's game over after a Zyla Elimination.

[Wayward Son]

We're down to 24 hours, I'll be around tomorrow, but just in case,

VOTE: Zyla

[Wayward Son]

With the fact that it's a forum that you have to refresh to see new posts and not like an IRC board or Discord, I think I might've been a little loose on the definition of a real-time conversation tbh. With the checking the meta, I was easily able to go and do that without having to wait for another response, and given that I knew what I was looking for, and was checking ISOs, it was fairly quick, even if it wasn't the most thorough

I read pretty fast, but I doubt this.

[Wayward Son]

With the fact that it's a forum that you have to refresh to see new posts and not like an IRC board or Discord, I think I might've been a little loose on the definition of a real-time conversation tbh. With the checking the meta, I was easily able to go and do that without having to wait for another response, and given that I knew what I was looking for, and was checking ISOs, it was fairly quick, even if it wasn't the most thorough

I read pretty fast, but I doubt this.

[Wayward Son]

mix slot still town. welcome, dude.

The mix slot is still town leaning for me, but that is mostly because Mix was pretty high on my town list Day 1. Need more time with Pavowski to see how I feel about them

I think they're town. I liked Mix for town, and POE.

[Wayward Son]

Hell, you might just be our hero! lol

[Wayward Son]

@ Zyla What most made me sus you was that you were mainly answering questions. You need to be a lil more aggressive as either role. At the end, I think if you'd pushed, you could have had an Egix Elim and been around tomorrow.

hope to play with you all in the future