Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[MixLixWix]

Hello

I'm super tired, but glad to see that the game started. I tried to make a post using everyone's name as puns, but I failed. Voting Lukewarm for causing the idea to pop into my brain.

VOTE: lukewarm

[MixLixWix]

Hello friends (and MixLixWix)

VOTE: zyla

Spoiler:

Not sure if I should be sorry my name did have pun potential, or offended you did not vote for someone who did not have the curtesy of having a pun-able username

Well I didn't want to pun-name shame anybody. Then they would be even more

lukewarm

about it.

VOTE: MixLixWix

Consider this vote your initiation to the site

Do I get health benefits with this invitation?

[MixLixWix]

Hello friends (and MixLixWix)

VOTE: zyla

Spoiler:

Not sure if I should be sorry my name did have pun potential, or offended you did not vote for someone who did not have the curtesy of having a pun-able username

Well I didn't want to pun-name shame anybody. Then they would be even more

lukewarm

about it.

that pun... oof.

Please feel free to share any puns you came up with before you gave up on doing the whole player list

I don't remember much since it was 3 am but the ones I do:
"We need more activity if we are going to push this game wayward, sons"
"Mafia will fold underneath the bulge of our combined posts!"

[MixLixWix]

VOTE: wayward son

serious vote

The naked vote with the word serious shook me so bad I had to go self medicate!

Do you think it's significant alignment wise though?

[MixLixWix]

Not that I can prove it but I've never RVSed a scum buddy.

That definitely varies from person to person though, I knew a couple of people irl who would always vote for their scum partner day 1

Granted, they weren't very

good

at the game, but that's just because they were predictable, so it's better to switch it up
VOTE: Wayward Son

I cannot articulate why, but this post feels off to me

Let's try. Is it the entire post or one section of it?

[MixLixWix]

Not that I can prove it but I've never RVSed a scum buddy.

That definitely varies from person to person though, I knew a couple of people irl who would always vote for their scum partner day 1

Granted, they weren't very

good

at the game, but that's just because they were predictable, so it's better to switch it up
VOTE: Wayward Son

I cannot articulate why, but this post feels off to me

Let's try. Is it the entire post or one section of it?

I think it is that she did not really address any thoughts about reading him, but then still dropped a vote.

Like, if she thinks he is scummy, I would have expected that in the post

.

Hmm I can see that since the discussion is just the theory of mafia voting mafia in rvs.

I have a different take on the bold though, but I'm curious now to explore it given how little there is.

@Zyla, why did you drop the vote on Wayward on that post?

[MixLixWix]

Not that I can prove it but I've never RVSed a scum buddy.

That definitely varies from person to person though, I knew a couple of people irl who would always vote for their scum partner day 1

Granted, they weren't very

good

at the game, but that's just because they were predictable, so it's better to switch it up
VOTE: Wayward Son

I cannot articulate why, but this post feels off to me

Let's try. Is it the entire post or one section of it?

I think it is that she did not really address any thoughts about reading him, but then still dropped a vote. Like, if she thinks he is scummy, I would have expected that in the post.

I guess, unless that was supposed to be a RVS vote?

But because she quoted him, and responded to a conversation about him, it did not feel like that to me.

It is walking a weird line between not looking like a RVS vote, but also not looking like a proper FoS vote.

Ok well now that you said it I'll reveal it. That's what I took it as.

I thought it was basically trying to start a early bandwagon on Wayward. That's why it didn't really concern me when I first read it. I'm not sure what to make of it quite now with the fluffy theory stuff, but I strongly feel that zyla didn't feel Wayward to be scum there.

[MixLixWix]

Hmm well I guess then I'm not sure how to explore it further.

In other news I like 29 -> 30 from Lukewarm.

[MixLixWix]

Hmm

UNVOTE: lukewarm
VOTE: Wayward Son

carry on

[MixLixWix]

I really like mixlixwix's dissection of zyla's vote. her post stood out to me as well.

What's your take on Lukewarm's posts about Zyla?

[MixLixWix]

tbh I probably would have ignored 9 if it weren't for the "...yet" bit lol

their reaction to my vote is extremely newbscum too. and their whole attitude since then almost gives off an air of "oh yea? well you can't

prove

I'm scum" and it reeks.

I didn't think much of the pre-game meta homework but I'd buy that it was fed from a more experienced. scumpartner.

Honestly, while that is a possibility, there's also the fact that that are 2 possible role-sets that include masons, so it could be a townpartner as well

Why would a town Mason give that info to their Mason buddy who then telegraphs that discussion? Wouldn't they be more likely to discuss it in their thingy rather than having Wayward talk about it in thread?

Genuine question. Masons are weird.

[MixLixWix]

tbh I probably would have ignored 9 if it weren't for the "...yet" bit lol

their reaction to my vote is extremely newbscum too. and their whole attitude since then almost gives off an air of "oh yea? well you can't

prove

I'm scum" and it reeks.

I didn't think much of the pre-game meta homework but I'd buy that it was fed from a more experienced. scumpartner.

Honestly, while that is a possibility, there's also the fact that that are 2 possible role-sets that include masons, so it could be a townpartner as well

Why would a town Mason give that info to their Mason buddy who then telegraphs that discussion? Wouldn't they be more likely to discuss it in their thingy rather than having Wayward talk about it in thread?

Genuine question. Masons are weird.

Mostly I'm suggesting the possibility that the other Mason might have suggested that they read up on games that the other players played in, and they just happened to share the fact that they read up

Fair enough I suppose. I don't think it's possible to really gleam much from it thinking about more in depth.

Do you have any feelings about anyone so far?

[MixLixWix]

tbh I probably would have ignored 9 if it weren't for the "...yet" bit lol

their reaction to my vote is extremely newbscum too. and their whole attitude since then almost gives off an air of "oh yea? well you can't

prove

I'm scum" and it reeks.

I didn't think much of the pre-game meta homework but I'd buy that it was fed from a more experienced. scumpartner.

Honestly, while that is a possibility, there's also the fact that that are 2 possible role-sets that include masons, so it could be a townpartner as well

Why would a town Mason give that info to their Mason buddy who then telegraphs that discussion? Wouldn't they be more likely to discuss it in their thingy rather than having Wayward talk about it in thread?

Genuine question. Masons are weird.

Mostly I'm suggesting the possibility that the other Mason might have suggested that they read up on games that the other players played in, and they just happened to share the fact that they read up

Fair enough I suppose. I don't think it's possible to really gleam much from it thinking about more in depth.

Do you have any feelings about anyone so far?

tbh, it might just be that I'm out of practice, but I'm never really confident on reads day 1. You and Luke definitely seem to be pro-town so far, but everyone else is mostly null so far

That's fair. Day 1 is always a clusterfuck (at least in the irl mafia I've played). Maybe we can help get the ball rolling together? Why do you think me and Luke are pro-town? What do you make of the latter's points on T3, if anything?

[MixLixWix]

Bulge, what particularly stuck out to you about that? What stuck out to me was mostly that it was a brand newbie supposedly having read a bunch of games. This reads to me as if almost fake helpful and as if it was fed by a scumpartner.

In the queue I made it clear that I wasn't "a brand newbie", and was reading games. I urge everyone to give it a look.

Of all my accusers, this looks the worst.

VOTE: t3

Could you expand upon why this is the worse offender from your accusers/why that behavior is scummy? Do you agree with Lukewarm's meta case?

Without additional info, I don't love this vote in the conjunction of the T3's wagon.

Alright, I have collected two weak pieces of evidence for the Zyla/Wayward Son scumteam.
First is the obvious

Not that I can prove it but I've never RVSed a scum buddy.

That definitely varies from person to person though, I knew a couple of people irl who would always vote for their scum partner day 1

Granted, they weren't very

good

at the game, but that's just because they were predictable, so it's better to switch it up
VOTE: Wayward Son

Second is the claim here

tbh I probably would have ignored 9 if it weren't for the "...yet" bit lol

their reaction to my vote is extremely newbscum too. and their whole attitude since then almost gives off an air of "oh yea? well you can't

prove

I'm scum" and it reeks.

I didn't think much of the pre-game meta homework but I'd buy that it was fed from a more experienced. scumpartner.

Honestly, while that is a possibility, there's also the fact that that are 2 possible role-sets that include masons, so it could be a townpartner as well

which is defending Wayward Son by bringing up an unlikely possibility (since he is the one reacting to the post of The Bulge).

Altogether not too convincing, but I'm going to keep my vote where it is.

Why in your words is wayward son scummy though? You haven't brought up wayward independently in the thread prior to this which irks me.

[MixLixWix]

Here is where I am at right now:

Lukewarm

is the only player that really has given me town vibes. I liked 29 -> 30 due to the mindset it shows. Lukewarm proposes an alignment indicative point in 29, but drops it on his own reflection a post later. This makes me feel lukewarm is actually trying to logically understand Zyla post rather than being a mafia member looking to find holes in it. I feel mafia would of let 29 sink in and never introduced doubt in the shade attempt. His behavior since then has also been townie, and I although I don't care much for the meta case on T3, I do find him making good points with t3's actual posting such as in [p]62[/p]

Zyla, T3, Wayward, Xlos* (* pending response)

are my suspects right now.

For Zyla, I do get the vibe from her that she is struggling but not necessarily from a town member framework. A lot of her posts don't say a lot either because its theory (wayward's hypnotical scum rvs scum point) or because the doubt she expresses with her reads on me and Lukewarm (where she indicates we are doing pro-town things, but gives herself a way out of if is she is scum). While I understand being paranoid about day 1, and rightfully so, she feels *extra* paranoid which makes me feel the perspective she is seeing the thread isn't town.

T3 I agree with a lot of what Lukewarm says and want to see how they go about responding to all the pressure.

Wayward is lastly a question card that I can't glean into. I bounce back and forth on their posting. What is holding me up with wayward is that they have an unusual tone about them which makes it hard to analyze their posts. It's hard to describe, but it is impacting my read as I don't know how much to chalk that tone up to as alignment indicative

That's where I am at right now. Going to mull things over as I eat and then come back

[MixLixWix]

Hello I am here. Wifi/power was unstable yesterday. Will post here in about half an hour. Mainly just letting mod know I'm fine with this post.

[MixLixWix]

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it. Currently though, I feel I need to be a bit more black and white with how I am reading into things. Stuff like Wayward early tone, as I will explain below, I am hyper-fixaiting on rather than the bigger picture maybe? Not only should it help make it clear what I think, but also should narrow down the pool hopefully?

Speaking of being clearer, here are some answers or clarifications:

Spoiler:

I am a bit wary that you appear to have discounted so many of the people that have not posted very much yet tho. Like, Egix, The Bulge, and [the Opposite slot] are all still sitting in null for me.

It was more I didn't have much feelings on them due to most not posting a lot. Since they were nullish, I elected to not bring them up to try and provoke discussion among those who were posting. It is also why I felt the need to revaluate in 68 because my pool was already a bit bloated prior to them getting reads as well.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

I don't think I explained my wayward pings in [p]68[/p] fully well, so I'll redo it here. Basically I've been struggling with understanding wayward's early posts. Tonally they didn't feel like they were coming from town due to how forced/awkward his posting seemed. This stuck out to me as a nagging feeling. What made it hard to say it was scum though was trying to assert a motivation for his posts early on top of the tone. I couldn't really tell if that was how he talked (as I remembered signing up after him and saw a few of his posts in the newbie queue, which in lack of a way to put it showed character) or if it was scum being weird.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

No, first game of forum mafia for me.

As for right now, I have wayward up higher now. Their 91 and 124 shows some promise. The latter especially since it calls out part of the contraction I say in Roden's post. I reread the newbie queue to understand their posting habits better, and I feel fine leaving up the oddness of the slot's words to their posting style/who they are. I'd like more posts, but I want to look elsewhere than here.
UNVOTE:

This gets me to Roden. I find myself not really liking a lot of their posts. Luke/wayward pointed out some stuff that I picked up on. Their intro post was pretty noncommital despite the amount that was written. The lukewarm progression I also do not really understand at all. What hasn't been mentioned that has rubbed me wrong is the following:

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put

you[Likewarm], me, and Wayward

in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip.

Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

The underline bothers me for two reasons. One is the tactic of associated towniness. I am not quite sure if it has an actual name, less so on here. But when I play IRL as scum, I heavily use this tactic. Basically, you find those who town heavily thinks is townie (like Lukewarm) and use language to associate yourself with them. Stuff like "Luke and I have been", "We might not be townie, but I feel X about us.", etc. This builds the notion in other heads that you and who you choose to associate with are collectively townie including you. There is more you can do with this of course later in the game. Roden does this two times. One by implying the trio of him, Luke, and Wayward are in a WIFOM situation which doesn't make sense. His rational for this statement is that no one else is getting looked at but them, but that isn't true. Not only would a T3 flip HEAVILY imply a town!Luke, but others are actually getting looked at like Zyla this phase. The statement plays up the fear of something non-realistic to multiply the association notion of solidarity. The second is the last part where he gives the notion they are closed to being clear with the throw away first statement while giving a reason for the three to be alive tomorrow.

Now wayward isn't the most towniest according to the thread poll, but Roden has been actively implying Wayward as townie since his earlier post, and part of the tactic is you can later use that association to justify a push on them when the thread sentiment changes. I wouldn't be surprised if scum!roden is purposely doing this to secure a elimination on wayward later on rather than potentially earlier due to the pressure people had on them earlier.

What also bothers me is Roden's fascination with who makes it to day 2 in general. Specifically the bulge nightkill prediction. While I don't think predicting the NK is scummy itself, the manner Roden is setting off alarms. Although Bulge is who he predicts is dying, Roden is choosing not to really interact with them. Besides a glancing remark about the early game voting, Roden has not interacted with Bulge. If I felt someone is heavily town and likely to die, I would be begging them to at least consider mentioning their full reads. Especially if they themselves have voiced they themselves doubt that (as bulge has done; meaning he is even less likely to provide info). This make the whole process seem disingenuous. Roden seems like he cares about getting town to the "best" D2 possible without really going about it how I expect a town member to do with the reads they conveyed.

I am running out of time before my online class, But I would like thoughts about the above. Some other reads I can explain more depth later are:
Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from
Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.
I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

[MixLixWix]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I am easily worth more.

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy.

But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Could you perhaps explain why its convoluted? To me, it makes sense therefore its hard to consider it for being convoluted or faulty.

[MixLixWix]

Xlos is town and I don't want to say why.
Mixlixwix saying there are more than 2 people I find scummy is towny.

How are you today T3? Slept some?

[MixLixWix]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'll be honest,

I was thinking of this as more than just a joke

, although if I'm wrong, there are 2 or 3 people who could tell me otherwise

Well I would like to here that. What do you think it is?

[MixLixWix]

I was going to ask Roden, but since others are hinting at it, there seem to be a decent chunk of people who indicate that they are waiting for later phases to reveal things. I really don't know how to progress things with that. I guess what I am trying to ask is what are your guy's goal prior to flipping T3 for day 1? I would like not to kill motivation to play and do not want to drag things out if others don't want to?

This isn't meant to be mean or what not btw, I genuinely don't know what to type after staring at the screen for a bit.

[MixLixWix]

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

What comes off to you as mafia vs mafia?

I don't think wayward/T3 are scum together for the fact that I don't really see him urgent to line up someone to eliminate after T3 is voted out. The closest he has gotten is saying Zyla/you are suspects, but neither read is deeply formulated.

[MixLixWix]

Should we get T3 to go ahead and claim? That at least has potential to spice things up lol

This.

I am formally intent to hammer as of this post. I am taking T3's 157 as his response to me asking for reads (you are welcome to clarify this T3 when you claim as well). I'll give around 24~ hours or so to wait for the claim and such unless others disagree.

Considering there isn't a counter wagon at all, or any real urge to create one, indicates that mafia isn't contesting the elimination. This has implications tomorrow after we T3's alignment that I can post about at that time.

[MixLixWix]

Welp time to Hammer

VOTE: T3

Back to watching Deathy Hallows part 2