Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Roden]

Hello! I'm excited to play and I'm glad I was able to get in. I started reading the thread a few minutes ago, I'll give some reads in a bit. Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

[Roden]

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Though I'll admit I don't have a read on Zyla yet. I kinda get the feeling they're an experienced newbie, since their posts feel a little controlled/revised and they're mentioning some outside experience. I'll say they're townleaning for now because of a hunch.

Next, I'm seeing a

lot

of pressure on Wayward for very little reason. I thought at first people were just testing for reactions, but it feels like way too many people are looking too deeply into a couple fluffy posts of theirs. They of course could still be scum but it feels more likely actual scum are putting early pressure on them. Maybe to make them dig their own grave? The more they talk the worse it does look for them, but nothing they're posting reads as particularly scummy.

T3's giving me weird vibes. Only five posts so far (at the time of writing this), the first few posts had literally no content, and anything with content just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town.

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon. Though him reaching E-2 so quickly also kind of worries me. If anyone puts him at E-1, they need to get looked at.

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it. But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes. We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

The Bulge reads pretty heavily town. I mainly just like his posting patterns, and him zeroing in on Wayward, even though I disagree with the suspicion itself, reads as genuine. He's putting pressure but letting others react instead of building a case himself.

Absolutely no read on Egix yet, he hasn't posted much or given anyone anything to work with yet. I'd like to see some opinions from him on the current votes and ask if he has any reads.

[Roden]

Also, VOTE: Lukewarm

[Roden]

@T3 could we see a vote please?

[Roden]

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This was a terrible joke I had made under 4 hours of sleep and then 4 hours of zoom class in my break.

That's understandable! But that's also exactly why I didn't like it. You made a "push" that you could say was just a joke if anyone pressured you about it.

Hero solve [T3 + Roden]

This is either a lazy hero solve or a reactionary one. Either way it's teetering on OMGUS. Which townreads a little bit better.

Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

what does this mean?

There were two very fast wagons and some serious accusations thrown around very early into Day 1. It's just surprising seeing people push hard on their votes so early into the game.

Roden, did you have any thoughts about my Meta case against T3?

Spoiler:

(Don't mention my first 2 links, but the 3rd town game and the scum game are both legal, plus my summary of his town game vs scum game from my experience).

OR about The Buldge's contribution

If you'd like some legal meta, I just modded a large normal where scumT3 laid down some incredibly bizarre distancing tactics D1 before being eliminated that ultimately factored into his team's win. giving me similar vibes here.

OR about T3's "rebuttal" to the meta case?

I think that's fair, but you should also note that the Demainer vote was a bus. So your theory only works if I'm scum with Wayward.

I find it strange that you read this thread, and did not have a single thought about it (agree or disagree) given how many people have chimed into this conversation. And you instead hand waved that all as "Just analyzing RVS votes"

I was mainly giving reads because I was coming in late on a slot that said literally nothing and you guys kinda needed something to work with. I don't think it's particularly suspicious of me to not comment on it considering I had my own unique worries with T3.

I don't really disagree with the meta sus and I think T3's defense is pretty awful. But a few days ago I also fully read the game the two of you were in (completely by chance btw, I just chose a recently finished newbie game so I could see how they play out), and T3 got scum read hard there but turned out to be town. You also ended up aligning yourself with both scum, and scum read the most obvious town player in the game.

Point being, idk how much credit to give your meta sus. I'd rather trust my own scum read of T3.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: T3

Just so everyone knows, that puts T3 at e-1

So be aware, that if anyone else votes him here, it would be a hammer.

Wild that I literally just said anyone who puts T3 at hammer range so soon deserves to be looked at, and Egix immediately does exactly that.

Wayward is lean town.

I like Roden's analysis

.

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Though I'll admit I don't have a read on Zyla yet. I kinda get the feeling they're an experienced newbie, since their posts feel a little controlled/revised and they're mentioning some outside experience. I'll say they're townleaning for now because of a hunch.

Next, I'm seeing a

lot

of pressure on Wayward for very little reason. I thought at first people were just testing for reactions, but it feels like way too many people are looking too deeply into a couple fluffy posts of theirs. They of course could still be scum but it feels more likely actual scum are putting early pressure on them. Maybe to make them dig their own grave? The more they talk the worse it does look for them, but nothing they're posting reads as particularly scummy.

T3's giving me weird vibes. Only five posts so far (at the time of writing this), the first few posts had literally no content, and anything with content just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town.

What if the scumteam is just wayward and egix and we don't even have to think about anything at all this game. That would be fun

This especially just weirds me out. Why make this post during RVS but then not actually vote? It feels low key manipulative and helped jump start the current Wayward wagon. Though him reaching E-2 so quickly also kind of worries me. If anyone puts him at E-1, they need to get looked at.

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it. But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes. We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

The Bulge reads pretty heavily town. I mainly just like his posting patterns, and him zeroing in on Wayward, even though I disagree with the suspicion itself, reads as genuine. He's putting pressure but letting others react instead of building a case himself.

Absolutely no read on Egix yet, he hasn't posted much or given anyone anything to work with yet. I'd like to see some opinions from him on the current votes and ask if he has any reads.

I don't like this post. Lean scum

.

Uhhhhhhh

LMAO

T3 do you actually

want

to be hammered here?

Lukewarm reads as helpful, but I wouldn't say he's done anything to deserve a town read tbh. Anybody can analyze RVS phase posts and look good, there's literally zero danger to it.

But at the same time, he's not really setting off any scum vibes.

We've seen a lot from him but I feel like I need more that isn't just him analyzing everyone's RVS posts.

To me, it looks like you scum read Xlos the most, but ended up voting someone who "isn't giving off scum vibes"? Why Luke over someone (T3) who's giving off weird vibes?

Personally, Bulge, Mix, and Luke are my strongest TRs.

Egix is a gut TR.

Because I didn't want to put T3 at hammer range so soon into Day 1. I voted Luke because he had zero pressure on him and I wanted to see how he'd react. Also wanted to see if anyone would jump on it or come to his defense. I got exactly what I wanted and feel like I can town read him a bit more comfortably now.

[Roden]

Gave it some thought, I kinda want to hammer. T3 isn't walking away from Day 1 without major suspicion if he survives. If he's town, scum definitely won't kill him. Day 2 will be rough unless T3 comes up with a S-tier defense here.

[Roden]

I'll be honest, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was responding to the person I was voting, I just used a random picker and got Wayward's name

Random is a lame reason to vote for someone IMO. It doesn't really encourage any discussion or have inspire any fear of being lynched. Even the first post of the thread had a reason to vote for someone! So that's my reason to VOTE: Zyla

I'll start off by saying this is such a weird take. Zyla's vote was during RVS, why shouldn't it be random? If anything, trying to give a legitimate reason for votes during RVS feels a bit scummy.

Well proving that a vote random is a good way to alleviate any consequences of that vote having happened, I believe there is a rule in the forum saying that you can't prove things are random for that explicit reason. To be a bit pedantic, RVS should be Arbitrary Voting Stage instead.

Ah, ok that makes a lot more sense actually. I also like your analysis post. I think you're hinting at something...which makes me want to rethink my hunch on Zyla, depending on what happens Day 2.

Hero solve [T3 + Roden]

This is either a lazy hero solve or a reactionary one. Either way it's teetering on OMGUS. Which townreads a little bit better.

To be fair, my scum read on you is mild, but it has nothing to do with the vote on me, and everything to do with not liking post 105.

I don't really disagree with the meta sus and I think T3's defense is pretty awful. But a few days ago I also fully read the game the two of you were in (completely by chance btw, I just chose a recently finished newbie game so I could see how they play out), and T3 got scum read hard there but turned out to be town. You also ended up aligning yourself with both scum, and scum read the most obvious town player in the game.

Point being, idk how much credit to give your meta sus. I'd rather trust my own scum read of T3.

This is fair. Although, this was, I believe my first game with T3, and we have been in like 5 games together since then. I think I am getting a better feel for him. T3 often gets scum because of the normal way he posts as town. If anything, 37 stood out for not being a lim-bait post

At this point, I am fairly confident on the T3 scum read. Post 20 piqued my interest, then the meta stuff about 37 made it enough for me to bring up and pressure him for, but his response in 46 is what has really gotten me to the point of confidence. I just do not see that response to a meta read coming from a Town mindset.

So, like I am glad that I pushed him over the meta stuff, but it is

post 46 that I think is where people should look

to decide if they want him to be the elim for today. I personally think it is pretty damning.

my best guess about his swap on his reads for me, you, and wayward son are just him trying to leave confusion on who he could be paired with once he flips.

I agree but especially with the bolded. His posts have been all over the place and I had no idea what he was doing for the longest time, since he seems so obvscum and isn't doing much to actually defend himself. I thought maybe he was just resigned to being voted out, but Bulge's meta sus about T3's weird distance strats rang some warning bells.

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put you, me, and Wayward in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip. Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

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Btw, what didn't you like about post 105? I'm curious since the only other person who didn't seem to like it was your scum read.

[Roden]

There were two very fast wagons and some serious accusations thrown around very early into Day 1. It's just surprising seeing people push hard on their votes so early into the game.

I mean, with the site meya we have here, it kinda has to happen or else nothing will happen.

Also, ftr, I didn't actually realise my vote was an E1 when I made it. Still fine with that tho.

I guess. It just reads off to see someone skip RVS and seriously vote someone else based on their RVS.

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

Btw, what didn't you like about post 105? I'm curious since the only other person who didn't seem to like it was your scum read.

It felt very precise. Not sure if that is the right word, but I could see every single line of it being specially chosen to further a scum narrative.

• Lightly defend two people who have come under fire (zyla / Wayward Son) to get them on your side, without actually committing to a read on them.
  
  Give a stance on T3 that neither furthers the push on them or comes across as defending them - more of a "if they sink, they sink" kind of thing. Like what does "just reads as...well, not scummish but definitely not town" even mean ??
  
  Then hand wave all of mine and Mix's content as just analyzing RVS in order to murky the thread's perception of us to stop two townies from getting hard TRs too early.

Quite honestly, that post felt like exactly the kind of post I would have made if I was scum walking into that slot given this game state. - So basically, I could picture scum me writing that exact post, so it set off some alarm bells.

But, like I said, it is a weak scum lean on you, and the rest of your posts don't necessarily give me that same vibe, so currently reevaluating

Interesting, I kinda get what you mean reading it now. The Zyla/Wayward defense was partially contrarian admittedly, but I also just wasn't getting any scum vibes off either of them like others were. I still don't have a good read on Zyla since she started posting less when the focus shifted away from her, though I can say Wayward is leaning more town with every post. I did note though that they both jumped on T3 after getting sussed themselves.

The T3 bit is because I couldn't tell if T3 was scum or just unhelpful/anti-town. He seemed way more active and solvey in another game, and a lot more stubborn too.

And the handwave is just because early town reads just seem unhelpful, I don't think town should tunnel on trusting those kinds of reads. Makes it easier for scum to mess up a NK too if they don't have a clear town read leader to auto-kill. Especially if we aren't guaranteed a Doctor/Jailer.

As an aside, looking back at where you mentioned him in 105 reminded me of my own thoughts on Wayward Son.

He mentioned posting in the newbie queue about read up on games, and I followed up on it. The posts are are indeed there, and seeing his tone, he was obviously excited to get into his first game. So after following up in that thread, it put me with Wayward Son as probably just new-excited-town instead of scummy for their entrance.

Him throwing out so many TRs in post 124 also helps build that read on him imo. Like I think new scum would be more hesitant with those in case they needed to push any of those people out.

That being said, he is still pretty low in content, so I cant really put give him more then a light town lean.

I agree with this more or less.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

General question for everyone. What's usually worth looking more into? An E-2 vote or an E-1 vote?

And since I want to put my vote somewhere else, VOTE: Egix96

[Roden]

Not sure.

The response to the post was me responding to your pointabout the specific post you brought up.

Who and what is this referring to?

Though looking at the vote count it looks like some people already have some spicy takes early into the game.

what does this mean?

There were two very fast wagons and some serious accusations thrown around very early into Day 1. It's just surprising seeing people push hard on their votes so early into the game.

how did you glean that from looking at the vote count?

Votes weren't spread out and I read the first few posts before I signed up.

I agree but especially with the bolded. His posts have been all over the place and I had no idea what he was doing for the longest time, since he seems so obvscum and isn't doing much to actually defend himself. I thought maybe he was just resigned to being voted out, but Bulge's meta sus about T3's weird distance strats rang some warning bells.

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put you, me, and Wayward in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip. Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

I kinda like this theory, but I would be a terrible night kill, I'm scumreading half the game lol

I mainly think that because you're a SE that's being universally town read, and Luke seems like the only other viable option.

UNVOTE:

General question for everyone. What's usually worth looking more into? An E-2 vote or an E-1 vote?

And since I want to put my vote somewhere else, VOTE: Egix96

I think depends on how T3 flips.

Before Zyla voted, there was basically 1 person vocally pushing on him (me) and 1 person who was arguable trying to shift the focus off of himself (Wayward Son). Zyla hitched herself to that, putting him at e-2 and making it properly a wagon. That seems too early to bus, but about the right time for scum to join a wagon on a townie. So I think her slot will get some townie points if T3 does flip scum, but both me and Zyla will look pretty bad if he flips town.

Egix putting him at e-1 I think is equally likely from either alignment. I can easily see town!egix having a scum read on T3 by that point, but it also comes about the time that T3 starts changing around his reads, so maybe around the time the scum team decided that T3 was a sinking ship.

So overall, I think I want to look at the Zyla slot after a T3 flip, but I am not sure that the Egix vote helps me sort him.

I'm thinking along the same lines. Zyla and Egix are my personal PoE choices, but I can't really get into why that is until Day 2. I don't think anyone will be sussing you if T3 flips town though. That will likely be Wayward, Zyla, Egix, and myself.

Also, interesting to know about the vote but idk how that checks out. The post you voted T3 with explicitly says you spent a couple hours reading posts, and my only major post at the time mentioned that he was at E-2 and that anyone putting him at E-1 should be looked at. The part of my post you quoted and said you liked states this in the very next line. I'm not trying to fish for a "gotcha" moment here but I just find it hard to believe that you wouldn't have known.

While reading the five people after you in alphabetical order I must have forgotten you had said that

That's understandable. I can see you just forgetting. Again, it isn't meant to be a "gotcha" but regardless I still have to look at you going forward.

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it. Currently though, I feel I need to be a bit more black and white with how I am reading into things. Stuff like Wayward early tone, as I will explain below, I am hyper-fixaiting on rather than the bigger picture maybe? Not only should it help make it clear what I think, but also should narrow down the pool hopefully?

Speaking of being clearer, here are some answers or clarifications:

Spoiler:

I am a bit wary that you appear to have discounted so many of the people that have not posted very much yet tho. Like, Egix, The Bulge, and [the Opposite slot] are all still sitting in null for me.

It was more I didn't have much feelings on them due to most not posting a lot. Since they were nullish, I elected to not bring them up to try and provoke discussion among those who were posting. It is also why I felt the need to revaluate in 68 because my pool was already a bit bloated prior to them getting reads as well.

Mix - I think that their questioning of people has been fine, but I'm a bit weirded out by their 68 because not only do they seem to have too many suspects, but they also seemingly suspect Wayward just for being hard to read?

I don't think I explained my wayward pings in [p]68[/p] fully well, so I'll redo it here. Basically I've been struggling with understanding wayward's early posts. Tonally they didn't feel like they were coming from town due to how forced/awkward his posting seemed. This stuck out to me as a nagging feeling. What made it hard to say it was scum though was trying to assert a motivation for his posts early on top of the tone. I couldn't really tell if that was how he talked (as I remembered signing up after him and saw a few of his posts in the newbie queue, which in lack of a way to put it showed character) or if it was scum being weird.

Mix gives me similar vibes. Though I'm noticing they also both seemed to buddy up almost immediately. Have you two played together before?

No, first game of forum mafia for me.

As for right now, I have wayward up higher now. Their 91 and 124 shows some promise. The latter especially since it calls out part of the contraction I say in Roden's post. I reread the newbie queue to understand their posting habits better, and I feel fine leaving up the oddness of the slot's words to their posting style/who they are. I'd like more posts, but I want to look elsewhere than here.

UNVOTE:

This gets me to Roden. I find myself not really liking a lot of their posts. Luke/wayward pointed out some stuff that I picked up on. Their intro post was pretty noncommital despite the amount that was written. The lukewarm progression I also do not really understand at all.  What hasn't been mentioned that has rubbed me wrong is the following:

Assuming he flips scum, I think he started playing up his stated scum meta when it got brought up and further analyzed since it would be fair to assume we would start looking for it. I believe he wants to put

you[Likewarm], me, and Wayward

in a WIFOM situation in hope of keeping the focus on the three of us once Day 2 starts. It's not like anyone else is really getting looked at anyway, right?

Not saying the three of us are cleared btw. But I believe scum will want to keep the three of us alive no matter the results of the flip.

Personally, I think Bulge dies tonight, and I'll be looking more closely at Egix, Mix, Xlos, and Zyla tomorrow, assuming I survive.

The underline bothers me for two reasons. One is the tactic of associated towniness. I am not quite sure if it has an actual name, less so on here. But when I play IRL as scum, I heavily use this tactic. Basically, you find those who town heavily thinks is townie (like Lukewarm) and use language to associate yourself with them. Stuff like "Luke and I have been", "We might not be townie, but I feel X about us.", etc. This builds the notion in other heads that you and who you choose to associate with are collectively townie including you. There is more you can do with this of course later in the game. Roden does this two times. One by implying the trio of him, Luke, and Wayward are in a WIFOM situation which doesn't make sense. His rational for this statement is that no one else is getting looked at but them, but that isn't true. Not only would a T3 flip HEAVILY imply a town!Luke, but others are actually getting looked at like Zyla this phase. The statement plays up the fear of something non-realistic to multiply the association notion of solidarity. The second is the last part where he gives the notion they are closed to being clear with the throw away first statement while giving a reason for the three to be alive tomorrow.

Now wayward isn't the most towniest according to the thread poll, but Roden has been actively implying Wayward as townie since his earlier post, and part of the tactic is you can later use that association to justify a push on them when the thread sentiment changes. I wouldn't be surprised if scum!roden is purposely doing this to secure a elimination on wayward later on rather than potentially earlier due to the pressure people had on them earlier.

What also bothers me is Roden's fascination with who makes it to day 2 in general. Specifically the bulge nightkill prediction. While I don't think predicting the NK is scummy itself, the manner Roden is setting off alarms. Although Bulge is who he predicts is dying, Roden is choosing not to really interact with them. Besides a glancing remark about the early game voting, Roden has not interacted with Bulge. If I felt someone is heavily town and likely to die, I would be begging them to at least consider mentioning their full reads. Especially if they themselves have voiced they themselves doubt that (as bulge has done; meaning he is even less likely to provide info). This make the whole process seem disingenuous. Roden seems like he cares about getting town to the "best" D2 possible without really going about it how I expect a town member to do with the reads they conveyed.

I am running out of time before my online class, But I would like thoughts about the above. Some other reads I can explain more depth later are:

Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from

Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.

I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

This is a very reasonable take and I understand why you're wary of me. I don't have much of a defense here but I encourage you to keep an eye on me. I will say I haven't fully explained my thought process for a reason.

Though yeah I actually didn't think to try to get more info from Bulge. I think he just in general is keeping his posts more reserved in tone and content but has plenty to say if he feels the need to. Kind of a typical SE town playstyle from what I've seen in other games.

Just realized I've been saying lynched a lot, it's a hard habit to break.

So I am/been running into the issue of a lot of people looking scummy to me; far beyond the two scum slots in the game. If anyone has any advice for this, I would love to hear it.

[Roden is sus because blah]

Euqix (the dog profile guy) I have town vibes from

Bulge I feel conformable not eliminating this day phase.

I really want T3 to post some form of Read list or a deep write up of what they are feeling. Mainly because on the off chance they are town, since a lot of the thread's dynamics would change. Until that happens, I think hammering is a terrible idea (on top of robbing us discussion time).

Your argument for Roden is pretty convoluted, I don't think I agree that associating with town is particularly scummy. But looking at the part of the post you quoted, it does confuse me, why would he think scum would kill the bulge? And why is Wayward not very suspicious, personally I think Wayward is very suspicious... but I guess many people disagrees with me on that. I think I'd like to hear Roden's reasoning on this.

Partial town read. But I also just don't think he's partners with T3. Especially when going by Luke and Bulge's analysis.

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'll be honest, I was thinking of this as more than just a joke, although if I'm wrong, there are 2 or 3 people who could tell me otherwise

I think we're on the same page here.

[Roden]

Exactly why I'm not fully explaining my reasons for my reads/theories.

[Roden]

I believe Zyla is town. Scum wouldn't make those posts, not even newbscum, and as I said earlier I think she's experienced with this game.

Her and Egix were my two PoE for T3's partner but now it really only leaves Egix. Even if T3 somehow flips town I still don't think Egix looks good.

I believe T3 wants to be hammered ASAP at this point so there's less information to dissect Day 2. His theoretical partner has very little suspicion on them and an ongoing Day 1 threatens that. That's why I refrained from hammering, and potentially why Egix put T3 at hammer range. Maybe to tempt someone to hammer a player who looks like obvscum.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

[Roden]

fwiw Xlos and Zyla slipped as masons. Don't trust any prs claims.

Yeah we know.

There is another potential but unlikely T3 partner. Does anyone think Wayward vs T3 could've just been scum vs scum?

What comes off to you as mafia vs mafia?

I don't think wayward/T3 are scum together for the fact that I don't really see him urgent to line up someone to eliminate after T3 is voted out. The closest he has gotten is saying Zyla/you are suspects, but neither read is deeply formulated.

I didn't get any scum vs scum vibes either but I wanted to get opinions on it just in case. Wayward being scum was only technically a possibility for me, just very unlikely. I'm gonna try not to tunnel tomorrow but I'm 90% sure Egix is scum.

[Roden]

Hammering me is suboptimal but unless someone has any huge new things to spice it up I'm fine with it. I think my posting sounded weird because I was tired.

What makes it suboptimal? Either we're flat out wrong or we caught you. What do we gain from not hammering you when no one will feasibly be able to trust you if we hammer someone else?

Furthermore why aren't you building a case for yourself? You've hardly responded directly to anyone's posts. And you've weakly pushed on like four different people but gave us nothing to work with.

[Roden]

Regardless, I guess you were right Bulge. You're likely not dying tonight lol

[Roden]

After all that and you

still

think T3 was covering for an active player over a passive/coasting one?

[Roden]

Egix please just NK me so we don't have to take this to Day 3.

[Roden]

Because this is a solved game and I can't join another until Egix goes. This is only my first game.

Also, you're not dying. Scum has to go after potential Masons even if it's just bait. Most likely Mix over Xlos since Mix scum read me. That'll be Egix's/your argument for why Mix is chosen at least.

[Roden]

Ah, alright I can get that.

I'll just sign off by saying I don't think any scum team plans to sacrifice their partner before RVS even really ends, wastes that scum partner's distractions by actively posting and pressuring townies, then brings the game down to a 1v1 on Day 2. Especially when I've actively cleared and town read every other player as the Day progressed.

[Roden]

I just have to know. Did you actually think I had a PR, Zyla? It was funny that I asked to be NK'd and then actually was, but I just wasn't sure why you did it. I'm pretty sure I was up to be voted out next. I had even pre-wrote some long posts during the night phase lol

[Roden]

Honestly, I'm glad you guys caught that. I was sure I was going to tunnel Egix Day 2, though if the Xlos/Mix Mason pair still got deconfirmed I may have rethought that. It was a good fake breadcrumb at the very least.

[Roden]

GG everyone, and thanks from me as well Gypyx. My time was shortlived but fun.