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[Gamma Emerald]

whatup
why is StD being sussed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's some details on claims Gamma.

DGB and DotW are more or less claiming masons
Anya is claiming 2 shot voyager. Jailkeeper died day 3 and Anya claimed to to not receive a result. Claimed 2 shot day 2 I believe?
Chaos is claing VT
Titus is claiming babysitter enabler

this post just feels so off from you tbh

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1.) Always sus

how???
he's was widely townread in my last game with him until endgame afaict

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Hey random question, if a roleblocker/jailkeeper dies during night, does their roleblock still block the person they targeted that night? Trying to figure out if Anya should have gotten a result night 2 assuming vax was the only roleblock type PR

yes, unless they themselves were blocked

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VOTE: titus
okay.

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I just don't think StD is scum

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no
I just don't like the vibe of the push already

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I don't feel the same bad vibes and since it's apparently PoE I'm good with it for now
If hammer happens I can read during the night (not going to fully reread but I'll skim until I feel good about my understanding of things)
btw I also saw something about a neighborhood? what's that about

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I could change to and lim Gamma here if people wanted to.

There's a few things here.
1. Gamma doesn't question my 3264
2. Votes Titus when I say they are in lim range
3. Town reads STD while not even reading them yet.

honestly I didn't even notice 3264
and tbh why should I have when you post something like that in most games iirc?

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The fact Gamma is trying to resort to fake meta...

if it is fake it's because you're blending with that other person I keep confusing you with

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The fact Gamma is trying to resort to fake meta...

if it is fake it's because you're blending with that other person I keep confusing you with

I'm not letting this fly as you backing down...
Scum like to use fake meta on me. It happens every game, and you've fucked up here.

I'm not even backing down, did you not notice the conditional clause?

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Am I confirmed town yet?

BOOM
Admittedly it's not the EXACT same type of post but it's close enough. Still think I'm "faking meta"?

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Gamma when VFP said Titus and STD were in Lim range what did that mean to you?

It meant the lim was between those two

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If you go through with this you will 100% regret it.

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If you go through with this you will 100% regret it.

I really won't.
But are we agreeing here that there is scum within me and you?

I'm not certain but I'm thinking it's likely

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Gamma when VFP said Titus and STD were in Lim range what did that mean to you?

I'm starting to think you're a deep wolf here.
It's clear what he thought it meant, considering he never once addressed it after I said it.

Stop trying to give him an out.

I'm asking for clarification because if he thought it was hammer that's extremely bad and your phrasing made it seem like it would be hammer

He did think it was a hammer.
There's no doubt about it.

I even thought it was a hammer.

Don't fucking speak for me. I wasn't sure it was hammer but I also wasn't going to be bothered if it was.

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I'm not certain but I'm thinking it's likely

Perfect.
All votes on me or Gamma. A green flip on either means the other next day.

As I said, you WILL regret this.
I'm an Odd-Night PT Cop, and StD was Rathe's N1 check. The result was that he has no PT so unless StD is traitor he's confirmed town, and traitor loses if all the other scum get eliminated so he's not a priority.
Still want to 1-v-1?

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VOTE: VFP
Time to pay the piper pal.

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and btw tonight I will be checking Anya because of the claim nonsense from her

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Dwlee did you see my claim?

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lmao

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this might be pulling stuff out of my ass but I feel like when people try to do this post-by-post chip damage they're scum
So unless someone has an actual reason not to I'd like to vote out VFP

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I think Andres is the best lim here but people jumped off that wagon. STD is just PoE

I think this post is towny btw
StD is either town or traitor so either way scum probably would treat them the same way, so the fact DotW is trying to actively push his scumread over a PoE suspect is towny

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What if the "informed" scum role knew that their was a PT cop. that would give scum motive to claim neighbor right out of the gate so they had an excuse if the PT cop saw they were in a PT.

VOTE: Anya

this is the logical thing to me as well based on the setup so far

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I saw it and unvoted STD. Vfp I don't care what your case is we are bare minimum letting Gamma check Anya tonight

and if scum NK gamma? then we have no result on Anya. and at that point that's WIFOM

a good point but imo it's still worth it to try
but I won't be upset if Anya is eliminated because I don't have a personal stake rn (this has to do with a past game where I tried to use my role to get a check on a widely suspected player)

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I don't think scum have a roleblocker give one already flipped JK

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Gamma, are you only claiming odd night PT cop?
No other modifiers, correct?

yes

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so u dont think the designers made the enabler be opposite alignments

i was a mailman enabler in a game that had only scum mailman

btw who were these @

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yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

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okay

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yeah I think Titus is town
I BELIEVE VFP and kyouko should know why

I have no idea why.
Tell me.

no. figure it out yourself. StD should also know, but I forgot to mention him because I had this citation in mind already when looking at those two Rathe posts and my reason I was going to cite it was because I was thinking those were @ StD in which case I was gonna call StD out a bit on an oversight

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Andres too

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why is andres obvtown
and like, based on the names I've called out you should be able to whittle down what game I'm speaking of

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Titus wasn't in the game, otherwise I would have cited that name (albeit there's two other I haven't mentioned from it yet)
It's not a play based reason but a setup-based one. It's why my eyes were drawn to those two Rathe posts I quoted.

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no, but it is a recently completed mini normal

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the argument is specifically based on the fact the town role I enabled had multiple parts, one of which I enabled
I think with the way cyrus' roles works it makes even more sense for Titus to be town given how her death would unfetter his role
If Titus is scum, then I doubt she's trueclaiming
so honestly I guess it's not a point in favor of her being town but it being a scum fakeclaim doesn't feel sensible

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I kinda figured you might have missed my flip given how confused you were

and yeah the informed role could be that a babysitter exists
tbh this is why I dislike informed scum as a role, if you want to give scum extra info but not give it to town make it a factional thing so town doesn't have to pour out gallons of WIFOM over it

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Also I kinda think I get what VFP means when he says Andres should be townread
why are people scumreading Andres?

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he keeps deferring to the game being too long or unreadable.

okay yeah this sounds p bad

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Btw my PoE list means for today. Anya isn't there because PT cop checks her tonight. VFP can you towncaae chaos?

A better term for what you posted would be "lim order"

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I think Andres is the best lim here but people jumped off that wagon. STD is just PoE

I think this post is towny btw
StD is either town or traitor so either way scum probably would treat them the same way, so the fact DotW is trying to actively push his scumread over a PoE suspect is towny

What's up with the fixation on traitor?

trying to not put my foot in my mouth with misplaced confidence

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that could be
idk why anya plays the way they have if that as the case though

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tbh I just recently had it dawn on me that Anya's behavior makes a TON of sense from a mafia traitor

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Anya's play (well, what I've seen it described as) greatly resembles how Tayl0r Swift played in Smoke Filled Antechamber

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VOTE: Rathe

sheeping Dwlee

also rathe has never voted me before and he was town in all those other games

this is a bit of logic scum seem to tend to use in pushes more than town from my experience

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Is the PT cop town or scum?

The PT cop is me and I'm town

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2-shot announcing voyeur?

It's Day 3, where are the announcements?

Anya claimed to be blocked twice in a row

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laso the strongest part about masons is knowing each other is town, not the PT
there's a reason neighbors are a thing, to create a masonry with room for doubt

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no it doesn't, source: was t/t neighbors in a game where me and my neighbor CONSTANTLY suspected each other

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Titus, Andres, or T3.

FYI this is my pool for checking if we lim Anya today

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VOTE: Anya
This feels more constructive than a Titus lim rn

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T3 is cleared of being main scum

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idk I had like no reads declared

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anyway, to correct that fact:
I'm thinking dwlee and VFP are decently town
dwlee I think has been very solvy in a good way, and re-reading my ISO to see what reads I might have had I realized I feel like the way VFp intereacted with me when we were clashing more likely comes from town
PEdit: I think if anyone in the pool were to leave me alive it would be Titus, as I did kinda TR her

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I feel like that might point to chaosomega maybe

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don't believe that exact role is normal

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I already claimed odd night

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Why does scum!Kyo roleblock what they think is a mason soft?

We don't know what's informed yet from scum.
But SSBM knew that Anya was lying some what. Scum SSBM will claim to think they were Mason as much as town.

Is kyouko the type to take a fake mason claim and run with it as scum?

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If I’m not dead by D6 then you can entertain yeeting me

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Just because a gunsmith exists doesn't mean any role that can mislead it will, sometimes it's just that simple
also, traitor could be a false negative so my clears aren't entirely clears, they just make it so the people aren't priority eliminations (since traitor loses if it's the last scum alive)

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1) The PT cop claim seems like a fake claim that made sense before scum found out that DGB and I weren't masons

I knew you weren’t Masons and I didn’t have to shoot you for it.

I will say though that the odds that you’re Scum have probably diminished since there’s no point in diminishing your own Claim to weaken your position.

This...feels like a slip ngl

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The matter-of-fact way the first line is written feels like he forgot to proofread for such errors

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Gunsmith? Okay seriously what game are you reading

Oh like a scum gunsmith to hunt for the vigilante babysitter thing? That's actually a good point.

I assume that Anya would also be picked up on. I wouldn't assume that the masons are.
Obviously this is just situational but to be considered.

Voyeur wouldn’t come up positive to GS

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I'm fine yeeting there but do you think scum know no masons are in the setup somehow?

It’s possible, remember a scum informed flipped
VOTE: Andres

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Just because a gunsmith exists doesn't mean any role that can mislead it will, sometimes it's just that simple
also, traitor could be a false negative so my clears aren't entirely clears, they just make it so the people aren't priority eliminations (since traitor loses if it's the last scum alive)

By the way this might be why Andres thought I was GS, and I believe through this Andres scum told via the fact he’s not legitimately digesting the thread but getting a processed view

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I literally started the Osuka wagon by going around asking people what they thought of Osuka's slot and if they'd be willing to vote there.

To be fair I have done this with a buddy as scum before. The idea is you either know to bus or almost take them off the table for elimination entirely.

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Oh whatever I misread PT Cop for Gunsmith. Sue me. That’s not a slip I mean hahaha I might be unfocused but I’m not an idiot.

I don't believe that's a slip (partly because that would kinda implicate me) but I do think the fact you made that mistake is a pretty bad sign for you given you iirc had managed to figure out RLotus was a PR in mini 2213, so to make that sort of mistake seems so off-color for town!you

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why does that have anything to do with THIS game?

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Typically you want to give town at least amount of scum miselims before losing. This game wouldn't fit that with a traitor, right?

what was the game's starting size?

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T3 who do you read as town rn?

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T3 is cleared of being main scum

Question for you, what made you pick T3 over the other 2 in your pool?

There was a post towards the end of D3 that made me want to look into T3

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shh

It might have been this one

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why do you keep voting people just to townread them?

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I don't feel like this is stagnant rn? I've had times where I've felt that out but this ain't it I'm preeeeeeeetty sure.

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For a while before you replaced in.

then what was the townblock at that point?

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lol it feels ironic to say this given the previous discussion but it feels stagnant

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yes

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I'm currently voting andres, is that not clear enough?

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Don’t take dwlee off the table
I don’t approve of how he interacted with me just now

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I poked you with a stick and you bit me.

Well you started asking stupid questions
You’re also the one person I think makes sense as the guilty party is the stall T3 called out previously

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dotw
VFP
T3 + STD
dwlee
kyouko
titus
chaos
andres

conftown, confident town, probtown via result, unconfident town, null, nullscum, scumread, hard scumread

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@Osuka Post Dunn flip? I don't see what would make it change. I like your point on vaxkiller and I'm fine throwing that slot out the window if we have to. I still think t3 is a good wagon and I want to say there though. Here are some of my thoughts on t3 summarized:

I don't like how T3 seems to be playing both "sides" of the game here, questioning the DotW + DGB + Titus town block claim but then voting with them on Anya is super weird. I also feel like his absence in light of the claim from Anya + wagon on him is weird, like he is hoping he can just pretend to have been gone and leave his vote there and conveniently avoid the wagon along with it. I know t3's playstyle is kinda like it has been this game, but I think trying to lurk through pressure is super scummy and made even worse by the fact that he is voting a slot that claims town power role and who I believe. If we could force t3 back into the game at least to lock him into a claim that would be great.

I was asking does the majority of the game consider dotw titus and dgb a townblock.

Vax/DGB/Titus and I think Petapan

I need to read more dotw. T3, I feel like your quieter this game, any reason why?

I'm not on on peoples town lists yet prolly, but I will be.

Does Vax not put any of his scum partners in their town block?

If you take out Vax rule of 3 points to Titus

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VOTE: Titus

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Gamma what made you say you don't like my interaction -> me being a high town read?

I still think you’re town, you’re just the lowest townread following that interaction + me accepting a stall pointed towards you

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I mentioned earlier if someone in my check pool would leave me alive it would probably be Titus

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I object to being killed.

lol

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Well that logic seemed to work for Gamma

wdym

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Hang on I just had a thought.
So I don’t think it’s unclear that T3’s play has been bothering me more than a little. I’ve been feeling like I wasted my action by checking someone like him, who seems to have taken it as an excuse to crank up the slank, but I just realized my perspective was wrong. What I’ve proven is that T3 can only be traitor scum. As such the smart way to handle the bothersome behavior is trying to figure out who it points to as groupscum
UNVOTE:
Because I think the first step on this road is realizing T3 seems okay with me or Titus getting yeeted, so until I figure out T3 is not traitor I don’t want to full send on Titus.

To be clear: the idea is to read T3’s actions and behavior and see who it points to as groupscum, and if there’s no real logic I can come up with as to who T3’s buddies are, I’ll probably just write him off as town.

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I feel like Gamma is trying to add doubt and confusion to the mix her with T3 for the sake of doing it.

Agreed.

Maybe it’s the fact I myself am confused by T3’s uninspired play?

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UNVOTE:
Well she fell for it enough to act like it was real and say she was town

Or she knew to fake it
I feel like she’d be experienced enough to not be easily baited
Could it be real, maybe, but I don’t think it should be trusted immediately

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It also shows that Titus was checking the thread enough to say town on the "hammer" but not enough to do anything else.

Yeahhhh

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So I started reading the traitor game T3 mentioned and two things already stick out as post-hoc signs of being partnered with the people he was scum with, that being a very apparent traitor crumb in post 1, and a flip from SRing to TRing tris (his scum buddy) off of “meta”, which I’m assuming forced in a thorHead manner

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Nah dwelee is town.

Titus and nero are also town.

osuka is town.

peta I have no idea about.

Hm
If T3 learned from last time, this would potentially be how he crumbs this time? How long was FIA WRC in irl days?

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btw to clarify what thorHead means, it means using the excuse you read games you weren’t in to justify a half-baked meta read

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Fair. I actually just finished a game as traitor so if you want you can look at that game and se how I treat other players there vs. here.

Hint: he blows his team up in the first post and is very active by T3 standards, because he's constantly crumbing lmao

You weren’t kidding about blowing the team up
Do you have more salient analysis? I’m personally ready to write off T3 as a potential traitor entirely based on the whole of what I saw in that game, but you were actually there so you might know something better than I do

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Kyouko was T3’s partner so I feel like his perspective might be more insightful, and you also didn’t provide a comment that was just snark

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Would you like to share, then?

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The main concern I have is what motivated T3 to make such a bold play there
If we find that out I think a final answer can be reached

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And Gamma not dying could mean like anything. If scum were willing to risk getting checked cause of payout, or if the scum just wasn't in that pool at all. If not in the pool then that suggests the Chaos/Kyo team.

I think mech play is trying to hit scum here because if we do we can get an extra check out of gamma. If 3 scum then we only have one miselim left though.

I don't think your mech analysis is correct. If scum don't shoot Gamma!town they can just shoot at Gamma's "clears" and DotW and force lylo with paranoia on Gamma's slot for living. If Gamma is scum, then he can use his clears as buddying in lylo or to protect a weaker partner.

An extra result gains us nothing.

The mech play is to eliminate Gamma.

Shooting my clears means that they are clears though

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I thought that because Manatee was pr she couldn't have killed, so I hard bussed for towncred. Then I would have faked an inocent result on kyo, mislim Lucifer or Zyla, mislim Titus meanwhile we're both cleared.

makes sense

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I'm confused why scum killed t3 of all people. Like, even if the PT cop cleared the slot wouldn't killing DotW be better there?

The main reason I can conceive is scum want to keep him around to push me

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hai Koba
@dwlee what part of kyouko's play is scummy outside potentially interactions with Anya?

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I'm kinda good with the kyouko lim
wanna hear what dotw has to say though

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Gamma who do you want to check tonight?

Who do I

want

to check?
I’d say ChaosOmega I guess. That’s the slot I’m probably most worried about.

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DkKoba all I can say is I’m glad you’ve chosen THIS game to TRULY burn that tell. Because you’re dead wrong.

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What tell? Im good with you checking chaos fwiw.

Dk has activity read me in the past despite me stating it’s not a valid method atp
This game is the proof of my previous statement

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DkKoba all I can say is I’m glad you’ve chosen THIS game to TRULY burn that tell. Because you’re dead wrong.

more interested in your explaination of your actions on the day titus was limmed and your thought processes around your actions wrt titus.

Here’s my full run-down of what happened for me that day phase
First, the wagon on me, which kinda made me unsure of how to proceed because the mech spec behind the wagon on me felt ill-formed but I couldn’t come up with an articulated reason as to why, making it feel impossible to fight back
Then at one point a few good points against Titus were brought up and I’d already figured Titus was the one person within my pool who could be scum and not feel they should kill me to not get checked, so I voted Titus
I then unvoted Titus after T3’s behavior had me doubting things which resulted in my confidence Titus was scum dropping to about zero, at which point I worked myself through my T3 paranoia
At that point I still felt weird about re-joining the Titus wagon, so I never voted there again. I feel like that should be an anti-partner tell because it would probably have made more tactical sense as scum to stick out the wagon

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intent to hammer

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Gamma are you targeting Kyo tonight?

if we vote off chaos, yeah

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VOTE: chaosomega
zzzzzzzzzzz

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If you take out Gamma's claim, what real reason is there to townread them?

Also of note mech wise : there is most certainly a traitor in the midst because there is no scum doc if gamma were to be real. There has been no evidence of one, and the other is at best questionable of existence so I do not believe Gamma's claim on a level of mechplay. Also odd-night is strictly much more powerful than even night. Their claim ~could~ exist, but there is also room for it to not exist. Ergo I am not taking their claim at all as clearing esp since we already have 2 best friends + a strong role that literally gets a guaranteed town powered shot. A gunsmith on the scum side to find the combined babysitter vig feels potentially likely. fwiw <<<<<-

so anyone clearing gamma based on mechs is ignoring the other side of the argument as well as their play around titus which stood out to me as someone trying their best to at first save them while distancing them.

I explained my Titus/general d4 progression and to my knowledge you are ignoring it
so why should I really care about your feelings at all rn?

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Enablers are usually informed - likely just shifted to imply different info.

The fuck?

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Babysitter Enabler flipped uninformed so prob just that so yea

Enablers are usually informed - likely just shifted to imply different info.

What do you mean

An enabler is oftentimes informed of the role that they enable existing. Otherwise there is no guarantee.

No, they aren’t

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Oh nevermind. I crossreferenced wit hthe only normal game I did read with an enabler and it wasn't informed.

I played in a Jingle game that was utilizing normal guidelines and he made a mafia member an informed enabler and I thought that was standard lol

Enablers are usually informed - likely just shifted to imply different info.

The fuck?

why are u so shocked I said this tho when .. you were my scumbuddy that game

Because the role was INFORMED Enabler
As such I would figure you had the common sense to piece out that Enablers generally are not informed whether the roles they enable are present

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lack of complexity, etc.

where's the complexity

Chaos is literally a case of "just read the damn iso", my mans oozes thought complexity and it shows.

You have used the same buzzword three times
Mind explaining to the class what it has to do with anything?

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But no. We are checking Kyo.

You are far too opposed to being cleared for me to be comfortable with your slot. Check me for all I care.

I’m the one checking people, get it straight

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I’ll say Andres is probably town

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Chaos comes off as a player who doesn't bus and would actually unvote their partner and save them rather than let them live and also would kill a PT cop.

plus PT cop prob useless at this stage as we are prob dealing with 1 group scum 1 traitor or just 1 groupscum. so yep

You’re thinking of Traffic Analyst
PT Cop still can catch a last remaining groupscum

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VOTE: kyouko
I’d need to see a very good counter to dwlee’s points in favor of him being town before I am okay with voting him

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oh this is a 17 player game yah there's def no more scum lol

i thought this was 21p

Townslip gang

Honestly that’s probably a legit townslip mostly because I had the same issue where I kept being unsure of whether it was a 17p or 21p
So I can see the thought process behind it

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Kyo/Gamma no quick day, agreed?

What does this mean

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Okay

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DotW are you ever gonna not see me as scum? You seem to have had your head stuck in your rear about me since Day 4.

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Limming you is a mechanical play, not only rooted in a scumread

I think the mechanical portion is kinda flimsy itself, I'm potentially okay getting eliminated tomorrow but yesterday it felt extremely premature
two results in what, 10 people? That wouldn't have really solved much

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I guess if you're town we can have this convo in the dead thread

or we can policy you for using this as an excuse to ignore dayplay

are you drunk
DotW is conftown

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And you jumped right to 6, any response to 1-5?

Do you think that's important?

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Here are some Chaos quotes from D4

I don't understand the wagon on Titus.

Okay fair enough

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

I don't understand the wagon on Titus.

Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?

Okay just wants to know

Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.

It's a shame that none of this was true D3 and you had to vote for Anya instead of Titus.

On a not snarky note, does Gamma not dying N3 affect your Titus read at all?

That first paragraph could cut through wood

Kyo is in 3 of those 4 pairs, and I feel like you haven't questioned her or posted anything negative about her at all. That seems really weird to me. Is Kyo your top scumread?

Trying to get me to vote Kyo because I had her in two of my pairings (which I could have if I was evil and didn't want Titus to go through but didn't.)

I'm starting to think it's just Andre / Titus or Andre / Gamma with Andre / Titus being the stronger scum pair. But that's only because I don't believe Titus didn't know it was a fake hammer. Even if that was some how true, its just not how Titus town responds.

Andres/Titus doesn't make sense given Gamma's check pool.

Agree with Titus that the lim should be Gamma today.

Rip

those first two actually look scummy because that's typically how I see scum try to feel out if a bus is called for

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I think if Gamma flips green Chaos should be looked at, and if Gamma flips red Dwlee should be looked at. Dwlee v Chaos interactions in general read TvS to me

Going back to an old thought process of mine...Seeing as we think it's more likely there's one scum left, that points to Chaos because Gamma and Dwlee couldn't both flip red. Honestly I still think this interaction has to be TvS, if it's TvT then we probably lose through these two arguing to death

that's not a losing situation unless you decide to elim me for mechanical reasons midway through that
we have 2 miselims to burn (unless there's 2 scum, but that would probably not be balanced with town's power as I see it. If I want to dive this thought process deeper I'd have to do reviewer/mod meta to see if any of them have a predilection for scumsided setups)

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And you jumped right to 6, any response to 1-5?

Do you think that's important?

Do I think it's important that he tried insinuating my whole post is in bad faith by making a gotcha point out of part of 1 of my points, yes, obviously, don't be dumb.

eh when you put it that way
but imo it's not problematic that he only responded to one part, generally the way I'll look at things in larger posts is I'll take out any glaring points I see first, then potentially go over smaller problems, that way I don't have to spend more time trying to counter a point I think should be countered sooner rather than later

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Gamma is probably only scum here if there are two left, given he replaced in and immediately voted Titus upon being told the lim was between Titus and STD

Are you suggesting no gamma lim tomorrow?

my interpretation is that it would be pro-D6 gamma lim, since that would be MeLo with 6 people alive

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You technically just did

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intent to hammer

I'm gonna do it unless someone has an objection but I think we've all kinda made the most we're gonna make of this day phase

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VOTE: chaosomega

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Gamma who did you investigate and result?

I investigated Kyouko, and she has access to a private topic.

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VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

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I'm trying to way the possibility of two scum in my head.

I don’t think there’s 2 main scum at least so IMO it’s nothing to worry about

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Given what I’ve seen on this forum, there’s no way a reviewer would think that a 17p game could be balanced with 5 Scum.

Iirc a 25p with 4 scum passed at some point so the other extreme is possible

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well as I see it there's no way kyouko is town here so limming her should be a win

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I think Kyouko’s gamble on my claim being not as I described was reasonable, I’ve fudged what nights I could act in the past, but this time I true-claimed out of pretty much spite.

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Pretty much
Also I don’t wanna get caustic about this but this is like the second game you’ve gotten paranoid of me in a row Andres

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I’m glad I played this, I mostly repped in because the flavor was good

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This was a really interesting setup. I love making the rolestopper macho with a the comb babysitter/vig that would backfire on town

Yeah, it’s a solid nerf to the potential doctor-doctor setup break

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The vig wouldn’t work unless you died tho Titus

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Yeah I think making Cyrus just babysitter would have been fine

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That does remove the negative that the role can accidentally kill me though.

Oh yeah that’s true hm
Maybe it could have been a loyal vig?