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I read through the whole game last night, but got distracted and also my eyes glazed over reading all of this. I want to go back over the nom and VFP thing, but at first blush it reads as TvT.
VOTE: Dunnstral
There's been multiple lurkers this game, but Dunn has been active lurking the entire day posting essentially 0 content. Not crazy about Titus either, but I'm usually not in games we've played together, and the claim makes me less interested going that direction. T3 has pinged me, but he seems to be in a lot of people's town piles and we're close to deadline, so I'll table that for the time being.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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VFP reads more as stubborn blockhead town than death tunneling scum, and nom's annoyance and replace out read as genuine frustrated town to me.
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I wasn't demotivated after opening my role PM, I was sent my role asking for confirmation with my replacement announcement not posted in the game. I confirmed and asked if I had to wait to post. By the time it happened, I had started work for the day. I got demotivated trying to read through this entire game.In post 1526, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Just a player who got demotivated when opening a red role PM.In post 1525, Dragon of the West wrote:DGB, can you enlighten me here. We're looking at only 2 posts to go off
From experience, these slots are often scum and get bus'sed because they are a liability to the scum team.
Anyways, looks like you guys are cool with letting Dunn do nothing and get away with it, so have fun with that. I'm VT.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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What about my post did you find scummy?In post 1523, T3 wrote:
VOTE: choasIn post 1489, ChaosOmega wrote:I read through the whole game last night, but got distracted and also my eyes glazed over reading all of this. I want to go back over the nom and VFP thing, but at first blush it reads as TvT.
VOTE: Dunnstral
There's been multiple lurkers this game, but Dunn has been active lurking the entire day posting essentially 0 content. Not crazy about Titus either, but I'm usually not in games we've played together, and the claim makes me less interested going that direction. T3 has pinged me, but he seems to be in a lot of people's town piles and we're close to deadline, so I'll table that for the time being.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Bolding mine. You seemed to be against Dunn's wagon before there was a wagon, why say it's bad now? Also, it reads as though you differentiate my slot with Dunn by saying that he had posted and it didn't strike you negatively. Was there anything about his posting that struck you positively? If not, explain the read difference between the 2 slots.In post 1369, Titus wrote:Anya - Null started town
T3 - Only became active after my vla, gtmh town
Save The Dragons - null
Derek12 - lean scum due to no posts
Dwlee99 - I felt they were scum at first, now I am iffy. Would flip for VCA but not strong.
Dragon of the West - Town
Rathe - Would compromise here
ssbm_Kyouko - hasn't done anything since hood discussion, null
Andresvmb - What I did see I liked
Dunnstral - I don't recall him negatively. He did have posts on my vla
nomnomnom, replacing LordEvan - Raging town
DrippingGoofball - Town
Titus - Town
Nero Cain - Needs a bullet to the head
VFP, replacing hugsandchocolate - Moderate town
osuka - moderate town
petapan - I felt his intro was super scummy but him standing up to Nero is super townieIs it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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So your baseline for activity is posting more than literally nothing?In post 1584, Titus wrote:In general, if there's activity and nothing negative, I put the slot as town as the majority of players are town. I just don’t see a reason for a Dunn wagon.
Now that you're beetlejuicing and wagoned Dunn springs up.
I don't know what you're implying with the 2nd part. What is the relationship between my entrance to the game and the Dunn wagon? I mean, I voted for Dunn, so there's a connection in that respect, but it seems like there's something else you mean with this.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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So to you, is Dunn posting in other games but avoiding this one NAI or suspicious, but not majorly so?In post 1583, T3 wrote:
The point about dunn. Like it was true but you triedto paint it as scummier than it actualy wasIn post 1539, ChaosOmega wrote:
What about my post did you find scummy?In post 1523, T3 wrote:
VOTE: choasIn post 1489, ChaosOmega wrote:I read through the whole game last night, but got distracted and also my eyes glazed over reading all of this. I want to go back over the nom and VFP thing, but at first blush it reads as TvT.
VOTE: Dunnstral
There's been multiple lurkers this game, but Dunn has been active lurking the entire day posting essentially 0 content. Not crazy about Titus either, but I'm usually not in games we've played together, and the claim makes me less interested going that direction. T3 has pinged me, but he seems to be in a lot of people's town piles and we're close to deadline, so I'll table that for the time being.
Also, what is your current read of peta?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Good call, I overlooked that. I looked over Andre again from your mention of him in 1542 but didn't check other activity. I didn't get strong scum vibes from him in my initial read through because his defense of the nom slot seemed like a weird choice for scum to stick out their neck and make in that way, but I'm not really sold on it anymore.In post 1591, Nero Cain wrote:
so is andreIn post 1589, ChaosOmega wrote:is Dunn posting in other games but avoiding this one NAI or suspicious
Did I hurt your feelings? It should be pretty clear from my ISO who I'm scumreading, I have a couple town reads I don't feel the need to divulge, and a decent chunk of the game is still up in the air for me.In post 1590, Anya wrote:happy to purge omega he ignored my read list requestIs it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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The progression from 1583 to 1612/1614/1615 reads as forced. You scumread me for my point about Dunn, but don't know enough about his posting history to be shocked about it and vote him to push the wagon across the line. With the later posts as context, 1583 reads more like scum jumping on my wagon than town trying to sort me and making a read.
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Titus, any response to 1587? I'm more interested in the 2nd part.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Alright, I want to try to gauge your mindset here:
- After reading Dunn's ISO in 1612, is my 1489 less scummy, equally scummy, or more scummy?
- When you voted Dunn, was it a compromise vote to get an elimination through because he was the leading wagon, or did you scumread him from his low activity?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Ok, let me ask a different way. Things can happen close together in a game and be unrelated. I am aware the Dunn wagon happened after I posted in the game initially because I can read and understand the passage of time. The way you're talking about them implies a causal link between the two. Go into how the two things are related and what that means.In post 1661, Titus wrote:
The Dunn wagon sprung up after you beetlejuiced.In post 1587, ChaosOmega wrote:
So your baseline for activity is posting more than literally nothing?In post 1584, Titus wrote:In general, if there's activity and nothing negative, I put the slot as town as the majority of players are town. I just don’t see a reason for a Dunn wagon.
Now that you're beetlejuicing and wagoned Dunn springs up.
I don't know what you're implying with the 2nd part. What is the relationship between my entrance to the game and the Dunn wagon? I mean, I voted for Dunn, so there's a connection in that respect, but it seems like there's something else you mean with this.
My answer isn't going to change because you reask Omega.
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VOTE: Titus
I'm cool with a Titus wagon if one would like to get off the ground. I was asked for a readlist before, I feel like I have enough of a handle on the game now to make one.
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I'm swamped at work, but I'll be in front of a computer if someone wants me to go into detail on any of these.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Neither one is in danger, what is your concern about town being on the wrong path in reference to, and why does outing this help?In post 2046, Titus wrote:I was trying not to out that, but I didn't want town on the wrong path. Anya fmpov is most likely of the two to flip scum. Maybe they both are. I'm not buying the neighbors though.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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I disagree with your premise that masons and an all-town neighborhood can't coexist, and I see more pro-scum benefit from you bringing this up than pro-town, i.e., trying to figure out if DotW is an investigative or not.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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I'm on board with this. I believe the claim mainly because it's a fucking batshit claim to make up. If the claim is true, vig makes him conf-town and gives us a 2nd kill until he's killed.In post 2404, Dwlee99 wrote:Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Yeah, vengeful would only trigger if you're eliminated via votes during the day and not a NK. In either case you would be dead and there would be an extra kill; in the case of vengeful triggering, mafia get to target whoever, but if we allow you to vig-shot, mafia is forced to NK you and town directs the other 2 kills.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Thought that was obvious, but yes.Titus wrote:
I presume you're asking T3.In post 2617, ChaosOmega wrote:I looked through your ISO and I have 0 idea why you're voting Rathe. Why Rathe over Anya?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Ok, way to answer without mentioning why Rathe is scummy at all. Is Rathe even a scumread for you or is your vote just a compromise vote and Rathe is the least town to you of the 3 wagons?In post 2622, T3 wrote:
modgames make sense with the Anya and cyrus claims.In post 2617, ChaosOmega wrote:I looked through your ISO and I have 0 idea why you're voting Rathe. Why Rathe over Anya?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Why remove Andres? What has he done that makes you town-read him?In post 2966, Titus wrote:
Add ssbm remove Rathe and Andres and there's mine.In post 2961, DrippingGoofball wrote:POE is Rathe, STD, Anya, ChaosOmega and Andres.
Also,V/LA until Monday.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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VFP has already gone into this a bit, but your push in 2817/2821/2823 that you're town because you voted osuka all day D1 is dumb. He was in 0 danger, and you avoided this game at the end of D1 while posting elsewhere. When osuka was actually eliminated on D2, you didn't vote for him because you town-read him. The leading counter wagon was Anya, which you disparaged in 1878 and then jumped on in 2315 to try and push through. Your tone in defending yourself today has shifted weirdly, you started with the osuka point earlier, got pushback, and switched to an AtE in 2830/2833. These two thought processes don't make sense to me together, showing how town you are because of your scum vote and woe is me, my reads are so bad. It looks like you're just trying to see what defense works best for you.In post 2971, Andresvmb wrote:
Well what makes you Scum Read me? Maybe talk me through how you’re seeing the game because honestly I find you null.In post 2970, ChaosOmega wrote:So nothing he's done makes you town-read him, good to know.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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I would prefer the lim today is Titus, Andres, or to a lesser extent T3, my scumread there has weakened a bit. I would compromise on StD, DotW (depending on claims), or Kyo, but not super interested in these.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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VOTE: Titus
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Are you asking me, or do you just want this thought in the front of people's minds? Don't know what useful info you hope to get from this question, if you're town, you should be paranoid of me, you don't know my alignment.In post 3482, Dwlee99 wrote:
These reads are very good based on what we know. Am I wrong for being paranoid that you were too right here?In post 2024, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: Titus
I'm cool with a Titus wagon if one would like to get off the ground. I was asked for a readlist before, I feel like I have enough of a handle on the game now to make one.
{peta, Dwlee, DotW, DGB}
{STD, rathe}
{Anya, VFP, Andres, Kyouko}
{osuka, Vax}
{T3, Titus}
I'm swamped at work, but I'll be in front of a computer if someone wants me to go into detail on any of these.
Oh no, my scumread disagrees with my scumread on them, whatever will I do?
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UNVOTE: Andres
I think I need a reset too.
This is where I'm at as well. Also, PT cop with functionally PT-less masons makes extremely little sense for scum to have, so I'm inclined to just call you mech-town.In post 3551, Gamma Emerald wrote:If I’m not dead by D6 then you can entertain yeeting me
I think you're right.In post 3532, Save The Dragons wrote:
someone on this wagon is scumIn post 3513, Gypyx wrote:Anya (7) : Titus - Dragon Of The West - DrippingGoofball - VFP - T3 - Gamma Emerald - Dwlee99 Execution
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I am, I guess. I'm old, the last time I played here that wasn't a thing, so I thought it was a weird thing to fakeclaim. If the claim is truthful, then Rathe investigated StD N1 and then had the exchange with him from 2559 to 2562. 2559 makes sense with it saying he's ok, but 2561/2562 reads more like Rathe is trying to sort StD then having a result on him. I know not in a PT isn't a clear, but not scum should be way higher on your list than traitor.In post 3569, Dragon of the West wrote:
Are you just assuming they're being honest about being a PT cop?In post 3553, ChaosOmega wrote:This is where I'm at as well. Also, PT cop with functionally PT-less masons makes extremely little sense for scum to have, so I'm inclined to just call you mech-town.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Mini Normal 2214 - Dwlee town
Mini Normal 2216 - Dwlee scum
I wouldn't describe his town-play as aggressive, but he pushes things more and has actual reads, his scum play is very non-committal, which he is in this game as well.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Instead, you acquiesced to an Anya wagon the next day after saying how sure you were that she was town. You make a post about Anya in 2220:In post 3625, Dwlee99 wrote:Back to this game specifically, the most "non-committal" part of this game I think I had was day 2 when there was an Anya wagon. I hard defended her, then kind of aimlessly searched for a counterwagon. If you'll remember, I basically just went "Poe says Osuka dies" and then he flipped scum. If I was evil I could have acquiesced to an Anya wagon way earlier in that day and have avoided what was essentially a derp wagon on Osuka.
Now knowing she was blocked again and having a flipped scum compulsive JK, this reads a lot worse, like you were setting up the pivot to the mislim.In post 2220, Dwlee99 wrote:If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Did you do anything to eliminate osuka other than literally be a vote on his wagon? I think I've read somewhere about scum jumping on when a partner is being eliminated to get towncred, I'll need to put my thinking cap on.In post 3636, Dwlee99 wrote:Why would I throw Osuka out a window and then try to pivot to Anya the next day if I'm evil? The only reason I had even ended up acquiescing to an Anya wagon is because 1.) STD had a clear claimed on him and 2.) The "masons" were calling for her head constantly.
If the only two options were StD and Anya, this would be a good point, but they weren't, so it's not. And who gives a shit what DGB and DotW thought? Having them be "masons" means don't lim them, not trust their reads. All your conflict with DGB in the game doesn't make me feel like you trusted their reads regardless.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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And then you jumped off when there was traction in 2663, waited 2 days, saw it was inevitable, jumped back on in 2738, and make a case in 2759, way past the point of mattering or trying to convince people since the lim went through less than 15 posts later in 2772.In post 3638, Dwlee99 wrote:I literally started the Osuka wagon by going around asking people what they thought of Osuka's slot and if they'd be willing to vote there.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Kyo, Gamma, or Andres would be my guess, probably in that order for confidence.In post 3639, VFP wrote:Say Dwlee is scum, Chaos... who are they scum with? There's not many that they match up with.
Personally I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Dwlee though.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Agree to disagree on all counts.In post 3646, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not saying it's impossible there Gamma but like circumstances + my play style I just don't envision myself as scum derailing a town wagon to push through a scum.
I didn't have the foresight to know that Osuka was going to flip scum, sorry? Also pretty sure my case finalized that Osuka was going to die there because at that point there were still people wanting to throw Anya off the roof instead, with DGB calling me a "townie with a broken scumdar."In post 3641, ChaosOmega wrote:
And then you jumped off when there was traction in 2663, waited 2 days, saw it was inevitable, jumped back on in 2738, and make a case in 2759, way past the point of mattering or trying to convince people since the lim went through less than 15 posts later in 2772.In post 3638, Dwlee99 wrote:I literally started the Osuka wagon by going around asking people what they thought of Osuka's slot and if they'd be willing to vote there.
It's why Andres is lowest on that list, he could think he's a liability if they're partners and try to get extra towncred out of it. Go into the SSBM part of this, not sure what you mean at first glance.In post 3645, VFP wrote:
I don't think SSBM, otherwise Dwelee would have been more likely to push Anya I feel like (after they confirmed no hood).In post 3643, ChaosOmega wrote:
Kyo, Gamma, or Andres would be my guess, probably in that order for confidence.In post 3639, VFP wrote:Say Dwlee is scum, Chaos... who are they scum with? There's not many that they match up with.
Personally I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Dwlee though.
Gamma plausible but still I'd only favour this after others.
Andre I don't think Dwlee has been against limming here?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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VOTE: Gamma
If we make the assumptions that Gamma is town and wasn't killed because no scum were in his check pool, then there's 2 scum in me, Dwlee, VFP, and ssbm. If Gamma flips town, the lim needs to be in here. I know I'm town, and I have a strong town read on VFP, so if Dwlee and ssbm aren't the last 2 scum, it's likely Gamma is just scum here. It could be that Gamma is town and scum is (Andres or Titus) & one of the aforementioned 4, but they're still gambling there that Gamma doesn't hit them with his check.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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I've made my case, no one else is interested. I exist in the game even if I don't post a million times, and posting that much doesn't make you town.In post 3746, Dwlee99 wrote:You know what else points to Kyo? Them not existing. Same reason chaos is probably evil.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Why are scum demotivated here? They just got a mislim through. If anything, I would think town is demotivated from the D3 lim waiting until the last minute with everyone not really wanting to do it and doing it anyway. And if Gamma's path is harder as town, would he be more demotivated than if he was scum? If so, why would not seeing someone mean a red PM?In post 3751, Titus wrote:
Scum would largely be demotivated here. If Gamma is scum, they have a hard path to victory. If Gamma is town, argubly their path is harder. So not seeing someone is a sign of a red PM.In post 3750, ChaosOmega wrote:
I've made my case, no one else is interested. I exist in the game even if I don't post a million times, and posting that much doesn't make you town.In post 3746, Dwlee99 wrote:You know what else points to Kyo? Them not existing. Same reason chaos is probably evil.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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In post 3529, Dwlee99 wrote:You not dying makes me paranoid the pool is completely wrong.
-----In post 3530, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like that might point to chaosomega maybe
Feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. 2 of your top 3 scumreads were in your check pool, but because you didn't die, it makes me look scummy, although they still are scummy, but then if they are scum the pool isn't wrong, and now I'm dizzy.In post 3765, Gamma Emerald wrote:dotw
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conftown, confident town, probtown via result, unconfident town, null, nullscum, scumread, hard scumreadIs it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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Agreed.In post 3839, VFP wrote:I feel like Gamma is trying to add doubt and confusion to the mix her with T3 for the sake of doing it.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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In post 3863, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
Well she fell for it enough to act like it was real and say she was town
Be careful Dwlee, don't want to give yourself whiplash changing your stances too quickly.In post 3867, Dwlee99 wrote:I agree her response is more likely to come from scum here because she didn't do any "here are my reads" or town spew etc.
Pedit: thought he was voting Andres before unvoting?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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She was at E-2, no real danger of a quick lim. His pivot after your post VFP looks like trying to cater to you. If you would have said it made Titus look town Dwlee would agree with that as well.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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In post 3879, Dwlee99 wrote:There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.
Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?In post 3813, ChaosOmega wrote:I don't understand the wagon on Titus.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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It's a shame that none of this was true D3 and you had to vote for Anya instead of Titus.In post 3882, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.
On a not snarky note, does Gamma not dying N3 affect your Titus read at all?Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!- ChaosOmega
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