Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

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VOTE: Not Known 15
I am a good selection for treestump. People frequently suspect me - probably because my play as Mafia is not that different from my play as town...
I can ask difficult questions and if they come from confirmed town they won't get shot down as "scummy". I, however, can also let the game develop without interfering in everything(so that it is more difficult for people to pocket me). I will not pressure everyone to vote my prefered selection - except maybe at the final one - because that will cause the game to go into inactivity.
Now, to the roles...
I will not submit Masons, ever. Mason is the worst possible pick:Masons will have TMI just like scum, and that is the reason why they are TERRIBLE. They dilute reads and allow(if made public, atrocious) Mafia to masonhunt by simply mafiahunting, obscuring everything but TMI until the Masons claim.
But what else I pick... that's up to me; I have a nice idea but it would be a bad idea to publicize it.

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i'm of the opinion that townstumps are better used as people we want bulletproof rather than some kind of pre-emptive investigation, or choice for people we think will be hard to sort. i feel as though using it that way is more akin to choosing someone to just remove from the game rather than choosing a voice we want around for the entire game

Except that having me around for the entire game is a good idea as long as people have trust in my towniness. You basically get two for one.

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VOTE: Northsidegal
(Very) good player
difficult to read

Not Mafia is hard to read, but um... just not serious enough.

I still say that I should be the second stump because although I can actually get information out of people if I am not suspected, and confirmed towniness could really help me because I will be difficult to read...

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I am clearly the superior second stump.
VOTE: Not Known 15
I am not convinced of Norwegianboy at all.
Likewise on DGB
... and definitely no hydras because hydras are nearly always easy to read.

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Both the Mia hydra AND Not Mafia are bad picks, they would submit masons.

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Both the Mia hydra AND Not Mafia are bad picks, they would submit masons.

what's wrong with masons???

VOTE: Not Known 15
I am a good selection for treestump. People frequently suspect me - probably because my play as Mafia is not that different from my play as town...
I can ask difficult questions and if they come from confirmed town they won't get shot down as "scummy". I, however, can also let the game develop without interfering in everything(so that it is more difficult for people to pocket me). I will not pressure everyone to vote my prefered selection - except maybe at the final one - because that will cause the game to go into inactivity.
Now, to the roles...
I will not submit Masons, ever. Mason is the worst possible pick:Masons will have TMI just like scum, and that is the reason why they are TERRIBLE. They dilute reads and allow(if made public, atrocious) Mafia to masonhunt by simply mafiahunting, obscuring everything but TMI until the Masons claim.
But what else I pick... that's up to me; I have a nice idea but it would be a bad idea to publicize it.

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VOTE: Norwegian
Superior choice to NM and the Mia hydra.

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VOTE: Norwegian
Superior choice to NM and the Mia hydra.

Who tf are you and whats your issue with us?

My issue with you is your role choice, Mason. I already explained why Mason is terrible.

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I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay

The vibes on this post are disgusting.

?????

I won’t, I want a good role and will be open to suggestions.

So you will no longer put up Mason by default because of the reasons I provided?
Good.

VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

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Both the Mia hydra AND Not Mafia are bad picks, they would submit masons.

what's wrong with masons???

VOTE: Not Known 15
I am a good selection for treestump. People frequently suspect me - probably because my play as Mafia is not that different from my play as town...
I can ask difficult questions and if they come from confirmed town they won't get shot down as "scummy". I, however, can also let the game develop without interfering in everything(so that it is more difficult for people to pocket me). I will not pressure everyone to vote my prefered selection - except maybe at the final one - because that will cause the game to go into inactivity.
Now, to the roles...
I will not submit Masons, ever. Mason is the worst possible pick:Masons will have TMI just like scum, and that is the reason why they are TERRIBLE. They dilute reads and allow(if made public, atrocious) Mafia to masonhunt by simply mafiahunting, obscuring everything but TMI until the Masons claim.
But what else I pick... that's up to me; I have a nice idea but it would be a bad idea to publicize it.

VOTE: Norwegian
Superior choice to NM and the Mia hydra.

Who tf are you and whats your issue with us?

My issue with you is your role choice, Mason. I already explained why Mason is terrible.

I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay

The vibes on this post are disgusting.

?????

I won’t, I want a good role and will be open to suggestions.

So you will no longer put up Mason by default because of the reasons I provided?
Good.

VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

We will not default submit anything without discussing it first but yes, I have better roles than masons.

Good. Other than that you not submitting masons - if there is a role I would submit openly if I had to it would be Vigilante(this selection is obvious anyways past Day 1 and there are other reasons); if you make your selection public northsidegal should design an appropiate role they do not tell us.

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VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

I believe in neither of these things.

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea
Nor do I.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Couldn't see much AI posting. Except...

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

I believe in neither of these things.

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea
Nor do I.

Tea could be scum but these are clearly not good reasons to vote them.

How does this come from town?? Town hydra would have checked if this was RVS because the reasoning looks like RVS reasoning. Looks more like scum enthusiasm for me("Hey I actually found something scummy, yay. I can post something of substance, finally!")
VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

What do you think of the Fey hydra, House

I'm not familiar enough with the players, especially koba, to have an opinion on them this early.

Also, we haven't directly interacted, so they're not really on my radar, yet.

It's been years since I've played on this site, so as a refresher I'll remind you that a lot of my interactions come from how people talk to or about me because I know my allotment but not others', and how we interact can leak whether they know mine.

Saying you read people based on how they read you is like an loud announcement to please pocket me if you’re town here.

I have no objecting to town pocketing me.

Besides, anyone that has played a game with me can tell you that my pockets are full of holes.

This reply looks like 100% town. I doubt scum would ever think of replying like that.

AND...

Stop the spam

Stop posting so much

. If a trollish player like NM complains about postcount it is way past time to ease up posting.

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If the Mia hydra flips town somehow we might have to look at Free Money Free Tea.

Unless we get an actual explanation for their reads

at that time that makes sense

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FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

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Couldn't see much AI posting. Except...

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

I believe in neither of these things.

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea
Nor do I.

Tea could be scum but these are clearly not good reasons to vote them.

How does this come from town?? Town hydra would have checked if this was RVS because the reasoning looks like RVS reasoning. Looks more like scum enthusiasm for me("Hey I actually found something scummy, yay. I can post something of substance, finally!")
VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

What do you think of the Fey hydra, House

I'm not familiar enough with the players, especially koba, to have an opinion on them this early.

Also, we haven't directly interacted, so they're not really on my radar, yet.

It's been years since I've played on this site, so as a refresher I'll remind you that a lot of my interactions come from how people talk to or about me because I know my allotment but not others', and how we interact can leak whether they know mine.

Saying you read people based on how they read you is like an loud announcement to please pocket me if you’re town here.

I have no objecting to town pocketing me.

Besides, anyone that has played a game with me can tell you that my pockets are full of holes.

This reply looks like 100% town. I doubt scum would ever think of replying like that.

AND...

Stop the spam

Stop posting so much

. If a trollish player like NM complains about postcount it is way past time to ease up posting.

This is hands down the stupidest vote on us yet.

Oh, really? You have a counterargument? Tell me.

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FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

FMFT is voting with you - why are you shading them?

You mean why I scumread them a bit?
Because not all of my scumreads are perfect. One of you may be very well town. Or not.
Because scum does not always vote town.

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It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.

This is a pretty accurate statement.

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

This post gives me a very bad feeling.

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

Yep.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT
VOTE: Moongrass

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It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.

This is a pretty accurate statement.

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

This post gives me a very bad feeling.

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

Yep.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT
VOTE: Moongrass

You're saying that Moongrass and the hydra are scum together? So you believe that their heavy talk in thread is scum theater?

I re-checked, this is actually unlikely.
It is Moon+Cyrus+FMFT, then.

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If Moongrass isn't town then the hydra is obviously town, and I suspected Moongrass a bit more than the hydra. Yet if Moongrass is town the hydra is a scumread.
Although

Hope is less effective than an unvote.

UNVOTE:

I am not so sure why they unvoted here if they are scum.
What made me suspicious of Cyrus is this here:

Cyrus, as an exercise, please could you explain your Gamma Emerald townread

I iso them and I'm on my phone right now so linking the stuff would be hard but from what I see they are actually scum hunting and shorting people unlike you who is just going by meta but I also iso every one and Mia is now my 3dr suspect so when I get back on my phone I'm going to prod and pick on them till I get a reaction I can see why nk15 could be scum as well though so I'm going re read . You mia nk15 and mastina

It's very selective of you to say I'm only using meta and I think you've said it one too many times for me to just ignore you doing so

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

There are 4 players about whom I have talked meta- myself, Mastina, Nancy, and you. Myself because self meta is sometimes persuasive, Mastina because people were and apparently still are scumreading Mastina for things she normally does, Nancy because you cannot separate Nancy from her meta and if you try to then she'll bring you back to that topic, and you because I think when someone is playing to such a low standard of play as to literally read someone's readslist upside down I feel inclined to look at their meta to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on there. I mainly scumread you because it's pretty damn clear to me that you started off posting looking for reasons to scumread me specifically but lack the discretion required to determine believable ones.

VOTE: Cyrus
Let's eliminate this.

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However, it doesn't take a genius to correctly townread me when I've put so much content into the game, and people who just ignore that are inherently more likely to be scum

As an aside, take a look at where I am on NSG's readlist

content doesn't mean crap here . i play the way i do so no one can till if im scum or town and stump or not any one can be fooled .

What the is this sentence supposed to say? It is unreadable.

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VOTE: Moongrass

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Let's eliminate Moongrass.

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Let's eliminate Moongrass.

Could you talk about your cyrus progression? That's probably the greatest point against you atm

Go ISO myself.

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Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

These series of posts tend express a townie mindset, more often than not. Do you not agree with this? @Moon

What happened to this?

Yeah good point...
VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

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The last exchanges did not change my reads...

I am a Commuter