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How could anybody have any degree of confidence about anything before the first body hits the floor?In post 101, Zyla wrote:
See, the amusing thing about this is that that question is actually one that could be pretty informative. How confident areIn post 64, StrangeMatter wrote:
To be honest, I had two thoughts come up, and one was that question that meant little for the game, and playing how I would normally do, usually RVS.In post 63, Haschel Cedricson wrote:So why ask it?
Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.youabut winning?
And even if they did, why would they share it?
And even if they shared, why should anybody believe it?
And even if they did believe it, why would they share THAT?
This is fun... D1 is wild- Pavowski
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I have a really hard time forming reads when there is so much posting going on based on so little actual information. Y'all, it's early and you're acting like we're gonna break the game open here D1.In post 143, HockeyFan wrote:Speaking of reads, can I hear more from Azeru/Pawoski? I don't have anything on these 2(mainly Pawoski) since they've posted about combined 10 times
Granted I guess that's the way the game gets played here but I'm used to the NK being the first bit of info the village gets.
For now I'm just checking vibes and getting a feel for people. There is a lot of time before we have to make any decisions. But since apparently the real game has started and jokey playtime is over, I'll go ahead and UNVOTE: Lukewarm.- Pavowski
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Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: CyrusIn post 163, cyrus62 wrote:
you scared if they start ?In post 158, Lukewarm wrote:
This is way too early for anyone to be claimingIn post 137, cyrus62 wrote:or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.
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This, exactly. If you're town why the heck would you want people to start claiming? Scum already have a 2/7 chance of hitting a PR but we want to force claims early day 1 and start doing their work for them?In post 172, Lukewarm wrote:
I think says you?In post 168, cyrus62 wrote:
saids who? we know theirs only two prs so if scum slip and clime something then the real prs will know and bam caught the scum.In post 165, Lukewarm wrote:
Claiming early is bad for us...In post 163, cyrus62 wrote:
you scared if they start ?In post 158, Lukewarm wrote:
This is way too early for anyone to be claimingIn post 137, cyrus62 wrote:or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.
If a PR claims a PR role, then the scum team can kill them. If a VT claims VT, then the scum team can avoid killing them, and be more likely to kill a PRIn post 98, cyrus62 wrote:i think as town we should draw the nk it protects the pr so they can help solve stuff for us.- Pavowski
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I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.
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Basically advertising that every single post is a performance.In post 205, cyrus62 wrote:
i have to change the way i play. every game other wise people use meta.In post 203, HockeyFan wrote:
No, I'm not trying to shade you, while u may have found some town from that reaction test, most of the posts were NAI. If this is your way of scumreading, then thats fine but It was not smth I do/was expecting.In post 202, cyrus62 wrote:
oh are you trying to shad . i think i found some town with that reaction test . makeing it easyer for me to shortIn post 201, HockeyFan wrote:
Okay well its been a pretty fun game, everyone has been chill, and there have been some productive comments/reads which I have been able to make reads of. I didnt think cyrus's "reaction test" was needed and it was a waste of time, but I'm still leaning null on himIn post 200, StrangeMatter wrote:
Opinion of the game so far.In post 199, HockeyFan wrote:
Idk what u mean by "opinion". You asking for my reads or just my general opinion of the game?In post 198, StrangeMatter wrote:@HockeyFan what’s your opinion of the game so far?
Not sure if crazy or crazy like fox
This basically makes me feel like he could be deliberately drawing a target on his back.
I'ma stop trying to read Cyrus, it's making my head hurt- Pavowski
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I don't know how the hell to read Cyrus actually, he could be scum just flooding the thread with smoke or a VT trying to draw the NK or get lynchedIn post 223, HockeyFan wrote:
I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?In post 222, cyrus62 wrote:pav pins me as scum- Pavowski
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Inasmuch as I think most early analysis ends up going out the window, I'm gonna sit down and make some notes tomorrow or Saturday as I'll be back at home and not posting from my phone (not recommended).In post 260, HockeyFan wrote:
This seems pretty fuckin towny. town points from me, But quick question, how are u planning to be proactive and move on from cyrus. u have any reads to share with us?In post 256, Pavowski wrote:I nominate that we move on from this discussion with Cyrus about his antics here. His schtick is weird but we all get the point.
Scum or not, getting wrapped around the axle this way is not pro-village
But here's a quick 3.
Luke is sharp so I'm gonna have my eye on him but I have zero "read" yet. If he's mafia, I'm skurrd.
Zyla was mafia in our last game so law of averages says she's town this time. Since RNG can always be trusted, this feels ironclad to me.
And you really want to know reads from a lot of people. Which either means you're like me and you want to watch and soak it in before forming too many of your own reads, or you're mafia trying to pocket me. I flipped a coin and it says you're the latter, so welcome to my FOS.
There you go, 3 garbage reads. Take then with as much salt as you like, I know I will.- Pavowski
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A few actual reads now that I'm less sleepy this morning. They still suck, but I'm feeling less snarky than last night.
STD (lol weird to call you that but I'm sticking with it) feels to be slow-playing a bit. I get a towny vibe but it's not based on much.
(I've just realized that I'm gonna say "it's not based on much" for basically everything I'm about to post so ... Just assume it)
Strange has a lot of posts aimed at Hockeyfan. Like,a lot.Could be scum trying to distance.
Meanwhile Hockeyfan is pushing Strange as a pretty solid townread. Seems like a Strange scum read (above) would necessitate a Hockeyfan scum read. Then again hockey reads me as town, which is town, since he's right. I have confused myself here. Putting a pin in this.
Haschel initially struck me as slightly scummy for his interaction with Strange in 127, but upon further review that feels very towny to me.
Cyrus - I said enough last night.
Luke - not sure yet.
Zyla - inclined to read as town but I need to try to separate out the meta.
Azeru - in 135 points out, rightly, that we somehow managed to get Hockey to e-1, and calls for us to chill the hell out. Read: town. But also establishes as somebody watching and tracking the game very closely. Read:scum. End result, I dunno. Neutral I guess.- Pavowski
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I would be leary of reading her meta anyway, as iirc last game was her first on site, so she'll be making adjustments regardless.In post 305, Lukewarm wrote:
Oh, kept reading up, and I see that you are trying to read her without meta.In post 268, Pavowski wrote:Zyla - inclined to read as town but I need to try to separate out the meta.
Luke you buying Cyrus's toaster leavings then?- Pavowski
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Jokes are not allowed, this game got real 30 picoseconds after the mod opened the threadIn post 307, Save The Dragons wrote:it was a joke- Pavowski
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Why, though?
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Migraines are no joke dude. Take 'er easy.In post 324, Lukewarm wrote:I am probably going to be absent from the thread for the next 24ish hours. Having an allergic reaction to my cat's new flea medicine, completely with severe migraine and nausea.
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I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?
I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange
I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.- Pavowski
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I see we're still on Cyrus's messiness for some reason. Folks, there are better things to focus your mental energies on. He wants the thread full of smoke for some reason, and whether you think he's town or think he's scum, you're letting him run the game by engaging with the smoke. I will again recommend that we move on for now.
I've been driving all day, but I'll dive into some more reads this evening now that I'm back at home. (And back on a computer I can actually post properly from.)
Also @Luke, the bit about Zyla being town this time after mafia in last game was a joke, of course. RNG can never be trusted, unless you're trusting it to be untrustworthy. I keep forgetting sarcasm has been outlawed in this game- Pavowski
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StrangeMatter wrote:@Pavowski can you explain what you thought about post 330, with that distancing act?
Sure.StrangeMatter wrote:Correction, what was your thought process that came about when you made post 330?
You RVS'd Hockey right out of the gate. Okay, random voting is a thing, cool.
In #49 you say you're actually wondering about them.
You accidentally answer a question directed at Hockeyfan (80). (I believe this was innocent.)
In #86 you ask Hockeyfan why Luke would defend you. (This is odd.)
You have a few posts about partners, then reiterate your question from #86 in #109.
In #138 you ask why Haschel is going in on Hockeyfan.
In #198 you ask Hockeyfan his opinion of the game.
Throughout all that you interact with the thread in general but seem to be *really* focused on Hockeyfan. You get a little bit bogged down with the Cyrus stuff (who hasn't), then you turn your attention on me, apparently because I pointed out your interest in Hockeyfan.
You sus him, then you defend him, then you buddy up to him. It smells fishy.
I'm on you at present because you're the fishiest thing I see in the thread so far, outside of the red herring I am trying very hard not to waste any more brain power on right now.- Pavowski
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This goes back a little bit but I'm doing ISOs and this statement just seems so weird to me. I'm still pretty new but .... you expect town to have confidence in their reads at this point?In post 310, HockeyFan wrote:Pav- has moved from weak town to null/weak scum for me as of now. They do indeed have reads but they're confident not in them at all and from my expericnes, usually town is more confident in their reads.
That seems bizarre to me. Doubt is to be embraced. It forces you to keep searching.
So I'm gonna save confidence until I have anything I'm confident about.- Pavowski
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Sure.In post 437, HockeyFan wrote:@Pav, can you expain rq again why u have a slight town read on STD.
Also Strange, you dont seem to have attempted STD yet? So what are your thoughts on them?
Tone strikes me as genuine. Is relaxed enough to make jokes, including RickRolling us right into the ditch (lmao).
Seems to be slowplaying, but seems to be searching for ways to a) read people favorably and b) justify any sus he sees on other players.
Come to think of it, that actually seems a lot scummier than I first saw it.
Well, it wasn't much of a read in the first place. Ultimately there's not much to go on either way.- Pavowski
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I mean, I was giving out a few brief reads since a few people wanted to see them. I wasn't making a big deal of it (there's something to be said for not sharing EVERYTHING you're thinking), but you did ask.In post 439, StrangeMatter wrote:
Let me clear this up really quick.In post 436, Pavowski wrote:StrangeMatter wrote:@Pavowski can you explain what you thought about post 330, with that distancing act?
Sure.StrangeMatter wrote:Correction, what was your thought process that came about when you made post 330?
You RVS'd Hockey right out of the gate. Okay, random voting is a thing, cool.
In #49 you say you're actually wondering about them.
You accidentally answer a question directed at Hockeyfan (80). (I believe this was innocent.)
In #86 you ask Hockeyfan why Luke would defend you. (This is odd.)
You have a few posts about partners, then reiterate your question from #86 in #109.
In #138 you ask why Haschel is going in on Hockeyfan.
In #198 you ask Hockeyfan his opinion of the game.
Throughout all that you interact with the thread in general but seem to be *really* focused on Hockeyfan. You get a little bit bogged down with the Cyrus stuff (who hasn't), then you turn your attention on me, apparently because I pointed out your interest in Hockeyfan.
You sus him, then you defend him, then you buddy up to him. It smells fishy.
I'm on you at present because you're the fishiest thing I see in the thread so far, outside of the red herring I am trying very hard not to waste any more brain power on right now.
To explain post #86, his logic felt a bit weird, based off saying Luke defending me, which to me seemed like a joke post. As for post #138, it was a question that I felt could in turn gauge their intent and see if it was reasonable or not.
As for the changes in reads, that, is mostly up to reading players for me. Given enough time, I change reads based off what the person does that I see as Townie or Scummy. I can’t change if you think I am buddying, but I am not.
I’m wondering why you didn’t say this earlier right now, considering the original post said very weird.
And this is me making a note that you're particularly concerned in how we all see this relationship.
Of course reads change! Mine are changing all the time. It's the how, and the when, and the why, that are interesting.- Pavowski
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Just gonna say I also tend to leave the tab open and would have to agree, seeing somebody online but not posting doesn't necessarily mean anything.In post 466, HockeyFan wrote:In post 464, cyrus62 wrote:When your both in the lobby ... I took a look at sight chat . You both been there for hours
Eh, I did have the tab open but I was doing other things while keeping it open, I know this is all WIFOM but response time especially in fourm is NAI- Pavowski
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Yeah same Luke but at least these are potentially interesting and seem to be actually trying to figure things out as opposed to borderline trollsIn post 479, Lukewarm wrote:Wait. I said I was going to ignore him...
But then he flooded the thread with 20+posts since the last time I checked in
Also nobody else is posting this morning so...- Pavowski
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I was just thinking it's been a while since we heard from haschel. I have his last post Friday at 3:45 EST. Is it time for a prod?In post 485, Zyla wrote:Honestly I'm not sure what to discuss right now. I was hoping that HC would say something that could get some sort of conversation started, but it's been a while since we've seen him- Pavowski
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That would be so helpful honestly, but no, I don't think soIn post 504, Lukewarm wrote:Cyrus looks to be quoting every single post, in order at this point....
Is it possible to make it to where I see everyone's posts except for cyrus for the time being?- Pavowski
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Actually if you go to your user settings you can set him as a "foe" and apparently it will hide their posts? Haven't tried it yet but that might do it.In post 511, Pavowski wrote:
That would be so helpful honestly, but no, I don't think soIn post 504, Lukewarm wrote:Cyrus looks to be quoting every single post, in order at this point....
Is it possible to make it to where I see everyone's posts except for cyrus for the time being?- Pavowski
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Just to provide some perspective, my reads are as shallow as they come right now and are likely to stay that way until there's some hard evidence (a NK, a claim that can be reasonably assessed, etc). To quantify them in an arbitrary way, I'd say my reads at the moment are plus or minus a point or two on, say, a hundred-point scale.In post 513, HockeyFan wrote:
Eh fair enough, but the progression of the TR -> SR is a bit weirdIn post 498, Zyla wrote:
To me that seems fairly normal, he's got some town vibes, but also some scummy vibes, and they cancel outIn post 490, HockeyFan wrote:
Its defintly not conclusive but in 268, he goes from Tring back to giving reasons why they're scum just a few words later which is ??? His scum read didnt even have any reasoning on why hes scum fwiw so I have 0 clue why based on that, Pav decides to read Az as neutral but could be just me?Zyla wrote:
I'm curious, what reads awkward about that read to you?In post 484, HockeyFan wrote:Actually looking back, there hasn't seemed to be much interactions between Pav and Azeru other than 1 read from Pav awkwardly null reading them?
In other words, (and I would think this would go without saying, but let's just be clear), an early towny read from last Thursday in no way precludes a scummy read on Sunday, or vice versa. I'll say that for myself, but I'll also say I assume it to be true for most players. You *should* be changing your mind at this point. You *should* be uncertain in your reads. If you think there's a contradiction there -- in light of, again, absolutely no hard evidence at this point -- you're welcome to think it.- Pavowski
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I am inclined to agree, what an absolutely odd comment to make.In post 594, Lukewarm wrote:
You know, pressure does not really work if you say that you don't plan on following through with itIn post 593, HockeyFan wrote:
eh sure why not but by EOD i am pivoting my vote back to STDIn post 591, cyrus62 wrote:In post 590, HockeyFan wrote:
dont like it much tbh, but I think Luke voting Azeru is simply a TvT interactionIn post 589, cyrus62 wrote:And they say I'm hard to follow. So how do you feel about lukewarm votein them?
Show me how town like you are and vote haschel so we can pressure him in to talking.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: haschel
VOTE: haschel
This is E-1
Talk to us! Talk to us! Talk to us!- Pavowski
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Given the current wagon on him, I would sus anybody giving intent to hammer right now.In post 599, cyrus62 wrote:i think intent to hammer might get his attention. but how long before we see him respond?
Sus *hard*.- Pavowski
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I was just reviewing votes myself and noticed the same thing and I do not like it.In post 604, Azeru wrote:
What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.In post 531, StrangeMatter wrote:I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?
As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:
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And a history of him reading Pav:
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Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.- Pavowski
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I realize it's convenient for me to say this right after Az points it out, but I saw Cyrus calling for somebody to claim intent and it seemed a good time to actually tabulate votes. Dude has literally voted 9 times by my count. Not sure why he's leaving me out of his finger-pointing, as he's certainly shaded me enough. The only reason I'm paying attention to him right now is he's pushed this wagon on Haschel and it got rollingIn post 616, Pavowski wrote:
I was just reviewing votes myself and noticed the same thing and I do not like it.In post 604, Azeru wrote:
What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.In post 531, StrangeMatter wrote:I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?
As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:
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Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.fast.- Pavowski
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In post 637, Lukewarm wrote:And? Do you have a point?
I don't actively scum read haschel, I just am mainly concerned by his lurking.
No shade intended. I was just pointing out that Haschel got to e-1 in a hurry and you moving your vote brings us back from that edge.
I actively scum read strange at this point, and if she is trying to egg people into hammering haschel, I don't want to leave it at e-1
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Sorry for blank post. Phone acting up.In post 651, Pavowski wrote:In post 637, Lukewarm wrote:And? Do you have a point?
I don't actively scum read haschel, I just am mainly concerned by his lurking.
No shade intended. I was just pointing out that Haschel got to e-1 in a hurry and you moving your vote brings us back from that edge.
I actively scum read strange at this point, and if she is trying to egg people into hammering haschel, I don't want to leave it at e-1
Very much do not like the vague shade coming from Pav.
No shade intended, I was just pointing out that Haschel had gotten. To e-1 too fast for my tastes, and you moving your vote brought us back from that ledge- Pavowski
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Damn. Condolences, man.In post 640, Haschel Cedricson wrote:I will come back later tonight. My grandpa died 30 minutes ago and that has knocked this down my priority list.
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Okay, a lot has happened since I was able to substantively post so I'm gonna try to catch up with a few posts this morning.
In 658 STD says they're willing to hammer Strange, which is not an intent to hammer. When votes come off Strange, they actually drop a vote on Strange. Not sure that's indicative of anything, but it struck me as an interesting progression.
In 690, and more in-depth in 698, Luke voices doubt about Strange's play, and this seems to be defusing some of the heat behind that wagon. (I think I mixed metaphors there, but w/e.) I actually want to counter that thinking, not because I am convinced Strange is scum, but because there are mitigating factors. Namely Haschel's absence for a few days. Not his fault, but if Haschel were absent from the main thread, it stands to reason they would be absent from the Mafia thread as well.
Let me reiterate, I am not claiming that Strange is defscum or that Hasch is defscum with them. I am saying that Strangeseeming to flail and act alone and uncoacheddoes not necessarily make them town -- maybe it means their mafia partner hasn't been as present to help them out as they would like.
There is a *lot* of Cyrus/Luke interaction which is basically white noise to me. I don't think there is anything else to be learned from Cyrus, or interactions with him, until our next "day". It is somewhat interesting that Luke seems to agree with this but continues to engage. Making this actually the first time Luke has pinged me in a distinctly scummy way.
I don't like big walls, so I'm gonna break this up and condense more thoughts in another post.- Pavowski
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Re: Haschel, you guys have gone back and forth with him a bit, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel, I'll just point out some things.
In 765, he says this:
Maybe this is a personal thing, but I find this sort of response distinctly scummy. It basically tells the asker "I have more information than you and I'm not sharing it with you for reasons."As for why I'm bringing attention to Zyla over Strange, I am declining to answer that at the moment.
And the only people who definitely have any more *hard* information than any of us at this point are the mafia. Cyrus pulled this kind of crap A LOT and I feel the exact same way on those plays.
Now, Haschel has a direct, aggressive style, so maybe this is another of his targeted strikes like we saw earlier in the thread. But it hits me some kind of way.
I will say that I agree with ... Hockey, I think? (Yeah, it was Hockey, 782) who said the Luke/Haschel stuff feels like town on town violence. I'm not particularly scumreading either of them right now.- Pavowski
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On the one hand, I feel like I did not nearly do justice to all the activity of the last 5 pages or so, but on the other hand, I very much feel like we're beginning to go 'round in circles. If you have questions, ask; I'll answer as best I can.
@Zyla, everything is cool, thanks. It was just a cascade of inconveniences.- Pavowski
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You asked who my top choice is for an elim today. I think it's still Strange, though I'm less confident than I was in my original vote.In post 809, Lukewarm wrote:@Pav - Did you answer my question from 802?
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He absolutely is intentionally doing it, and has been quite open about the factIn post 840, StrangeMatter wrote:Cyrus’ mindset is so weird and backwards at this point I want to believe he’s intentionally doing that.- Pavowski
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If you have a claim to make, this is the time. Cyrus might be bluffing, but he might have already hammered in the time it takes me to post this.In post 898, StrangeMatter wrote:First of all, why should I even reveal my role right now. That's a last resort, and right now I'm not going to give scum anything just to survive. Plus, you'll know my role after I'm dead, so go ahead.- Pavowski
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D1 voting went as follows. Each player's votes are listed in order, the number in parentheses being the post in which they voted
Unvotes omitted because I am lazy. Hope I got everything else.
Draw your own conclusions
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Hockey: Zyla (15), Luke (66), STD (320), Hasch (593), STD (634)
Luke: Zyla (10), Strange (73), Cyrus (92), Strange (266), Hasch (544), Strange (623), Strange (802)
Zyla: Hockey (71)
Strange: Hockey (11), Pav (429), Azeru (542), STD (723)
Haschel: Strange (50), Hockey (132)
Pav: Luke (83), Cyrus (166), Strange (330)
Azeru: Cyrus (237), Strange (629)
STD: Haschel (7), Strange (695), Hockey (716), Strange (891)
Cyrus: Azeru (97), Hockey (130), Zyla (424), Strange (435), Hockey (449), Haschel (454), STD (543), Luke (558), Haschel (583), Strange (649), Hockey (703), STD (805), Strange (859), Luke (888), Strange HAMMER (908)- Pavowski
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No death is a good sign but let's not get carried away. Lack of death doesn't necessarily indicate a doctor. (Although I would admit it seems overwhelmingly likely.)In post 916, HockeyFan wrote:ok based on the fact that no one died, we could have possible 4 greens if doc didnt save cyrus but doc dont out if u did save cyrus, pretty sure luke is also green, no? games looking pretty good?- Pavowski
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JK could have got lucky and hit mafia. Or could have locked up Cyrus to protect him and Cyrus is lying about his check. But the most likely play is the most obvious, Cyrus made himself a target and doc saved him.
In only one of those situations would it make sense for a PR to reveal so I don't want to spend a lot of brain on it right now.- Pavowski
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Votes for d1:
STD: Haschel (7), Strange (695), Hockey (716), Strange (891)
I was gonna say pretty much exactly this, Luke just made the case better than I could. STD's votes look like they're in search of a wagon.In post 922, Lukewarm wrote:
This is a good question. It will let us know if we are dealing with a roleblocker or notIn post 921, Zyla wrote:
To clarify:In post 913, cyrus62 wrote:no deaths well thanks doc who ever you are. lukewarm went no where last night
Did you get "No action"? Or "No result"?
I gave the game another look over night, and right now my biggest suspicion is STD. For most of Day 1 he was very passive/lurky, and then at the end of day, he looks like he was opportunistic with his vote, like his voting does not seem super genuine.
Like when he kept Strange at e-1, after I left the push, like he was hoping it would still go through without me
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When that wagon stalled out, he jumped to the next push on Hockey
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And then he abandoned that wagon when lost steam, he went back to Strange - and his reasoning looks suspicious to me
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He votes for strange because he "likes the wagon composition." Which is a weird reason to join a wagon imo. It is like he avoids saying she is scummy here because he knows she is getting ready to flip town. Like he is trying to absolve himself of the vote -- "I only voted that way because I trusted you guys **points at Azeru, Pav, and me**"
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There are other things that ping me in the votes, but this is my feeling right now.
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Since we were lucky enough to get a no-elimination on n1, we are essentially picking up right where we left off after the Strange elimination.In post 930, HockeyFan wrote:Why are u guys voting so early into the day
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Strange is dead, dude.In post 950, HockeyFan wrote:
Yea now that I look back at it, nothing wrong but like I was a bit confused by the speed of your votes. I still want Strange, but I want him to post more to see if he is towny or smthIn post 949, Pavowski wrote:picking up right where we left off after the Strange elimination.
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I know I said I was done engaging with Cyrus antics, but saying this kind of stuff just isn't true and doesn't help us in any way. We are at 8 players now with 2 mafia. If we miselim today, we will be at 7 tonight and presumed 6 tomorrow. At that point we should worry about losing, but not until then. Yet you keep talking like the game is already lost.In post 953, cyrus62 wrote:Starting to think it is just a doc since no one's coming forward which means we have to get today right. Because that means we have a rolecop which means if town don't get it right today we will surely lose.
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