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[boxxy]

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VOTE: T3

T3 was town last game, can't be town again

[boxxy]

jesus christ that was 6 pages in no time.

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for

two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild

. you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

wild cards are anti-town, calling yourself feels like trying to pre-deflect any scum reads people get of your plays.

VOTE: cyrus62

Also another name for this game is "werewolf" where the 'werewofl" or "wolf" is the mafia. Not entirely convinced that your wolf outrage was genuine.


My scumreads:

cyrus92
monkee

Townreads:

seanzie

Rest are null

[boxxy]

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

[boxxy]

Uhh its 7 to eliminate, and I only count 3 votes for you

[boxxy]

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

[boxxy]

If we lim cyrus today and he flips scum I'll happily reveal the tell, mind you. I just think that if I post it right now it won't be taken seriously at all and we will go down an awkward phase where I explain my reasoning for posts and posts to come, but I have strong reasons to think this indicates scum!cyrus

... this is anti-town. Stop trying to soften the blow of your read and just share it. It's okay to share stuff saying "I admit its weak," its not okay to dangle information like this as a carrot to bait people onto a wagon.

[boxxy]

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

boxxy is a quadruple voter CONFIRMED?!
/j

Shhh don't reveal my PR!

[boxxy]

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

i do not and will not vote anti town just becuse people dislike the play. it does not and will not help town . it would hurt town more.

I'm a wildcard tho

[boxxy]

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

In my experience, it's 50-50 for trollers to flip scum/town. I personally can't read trollers but I like them as they make game(s) more enjoyable.

I don't get the meta on this site.

Imagine a game of all trollers. It's not even a game anymore, its a shitposting dice rolling simulator.

What I do like about trollers is every time I bring up my support for policy lim, people trip over themselves to establish towncred by pointing out how seriously they are against such an anti-town play.

[boxxy]

Trust me, you don't wanna read it.
However I accept paypal donations if you wanna hear it so badly! Gotta make a living somehow eh?

At this point you better either share your tell, or never bring it up again, otherwise this is just noise preventing us from doing actual scumhunting.

[boxxy]

ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.

But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??

Yes, Boxxxy went for the easy push and ssbm_Kyouko questioned Boxxxy about it, which looks good for ssbm_Kyouko.

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

I'll share it, promise! Just not right now, it's too early to reveal my secrets, and as I said, it's a hassle and a half to explain and I wouldn't want to get in the way of your scumhunting, right?
However you can trust me. 90% sure Cyrus is scum here

VOTE: nomnomnom


In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

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VOTE: boxxy
Imagine having called the monkey anti-town after these last posts.
Ultra town.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. I guess this is just based on some super secret tell that you'll honest to goodness share after securing a mis-elim

[boxxy]

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

He started to post actual content and not just troll posts.

[boxxy]

VOTE: boxxy
Imagine having called the monkey anti-town after these last posts.
Ultra town.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. I guess this is just based on some super secret tell that you'll honest to goodness share after

securing a mis-elim

????

You were pushing the cyrus wagon saying you'll only reveal your tell if he flips scum. Talking all about how "its super stupid though but I think I got him." Just setting yourself up to claim "damn i guess it was stupid" when he flips town. Thus securing a mis-elim that you don't get blamed for.

[boxxy]

Disagree

[boxxy]

I think you changed your mind to avoid the pressure which is scummy imo.

UNVOTE: Seanzie

VOTE: boxxy

In my last game a troll poster posted _literally_ nothing. I feared that would be the case here with monkey. Then they posted a few legit posts so I moved on from that. If you find that scummy well then gg I guess.

[boxxy]

Pretty sure you posted monkey and cyrus as your 2 scum pile and voted Cyrus, so that's a bit more than favoring a policy lim. You also didn't propose it as a policy lim for later in the day, you said it was scum or something like that. I'm the one that brought it up as a policy lim and because I'm so against policy limming an "anti-town" player I deserve heaps and heaps of towncred

*trips*

Cyrus wasn't a policy lim, he was a scumread. Monkey was who I brought up for later in the day if they didn't add any value by then.

[boxxy]

In my last game a troll poster posted _literally_ nothing. I feared that would be the case here with monkey. Then they posted a few legit posts so I moved on from that. If you find that scummy well then gg I guess.

who is the troll poster

It was Not_Mafia

[boxxy]

Jesus christ you guys can spew a lot of posts saying the same thing quickly.

Summary of the case on me seems to be that I have too many scumreads. Cool story I guess. Woe is me that I have more than one possible scumread IRL day 1 of day 1, in a 13 player game, and that I "shifted" positions by talking about more than one thing at a time.

I'm convinced someone on this wagon is scum and will look more closely at it in a moment.

[boxxy]

This wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

@monkey: At the start of the game I feared you were going to post literally nothing like N_M, so yeah I stated my support of a policy lim to hopefully get you posting. Once you started I moved you to slight townlean. I didn't "clear" you, I just removed the only thing that put you in the scum box. I honestly don't get why you find this so objectionable.

UNVOTE: for now

Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.

VOTE: boxxy

What changed your mind?

[boxxy]

@monkey: At the start of the game I feared you were going to post literally nothing like N_M, so yeah I stated my support of a policy lim to hopefully get you posting. Once you started I moved you to slight townlean. I didn't "clear" you, I just removed the only thing that put you in the scum box. I honestly don't get why you find this so objectionable.

Ok so what was so towny about my before #222

183 was not useless. I never said it was excellent, but it was enough to move you out of the "complete troll" category.

[boxxy]

monkey you're tunneled bro. You argument continues to be "why did he one person when he also said somebody else could be scummy." From now on I'll try to talk about only one thing at a time so you don't get confused okay?

[boxxy]

UNVOTE: for now

Boxxy: There's scum in my wagon!

Nomnomnom is in his wagon.

Boxxy: Unvote for now!

Are you implying nomnomom is scum?

[boxxy]

monkey you're tunneled bro. You argument continues to be "why did he one person when he also said somebody else could be scummy." From now on I'll try to talk about only one thing at a time so you don't get confused okay?

FTR, you are definitely not out of the ballpark with me, even if I have shut down some bad casing of you. Monkey's case had issues, but that doesn't clear you.

Tell me about your early Monkey read. Why did you switch from "Monkey scum" to "Monkey is a policy elim" the way you did.

I didn't switch. I started with troll is anti-town and monkey is trolling, therefore monkey is anti-town. Anti-town goes in the scumbox for me.

ssbm brought up policy in 164 saying that "anti-town is not the same as scum."

I said I support policy elim of troll only posters.

[boxxy]

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

[boxxy]

Do you not know what a detective is?

[boxxy]

Roaming means I can only target a player once for the entire game.

[boxxy]

When I flip town roaming detective I hope you reflect on how your trash play cost us the game.

[boxxy]

@monkey does this have a point to it? Or just more filler?

[boxxy]

Seanzie did not kill another player.

@nomnom: What was your tell?

[boxxy]

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

i wouldn't lynch nom they anit scum regardless

pushing boxxy is a bad idea move on. im sure you guys can do it.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

It's WIFOM-y, but I don't cyrus puts attention on his scumteam on his way out the door here. Knowing what these posts will look like after he flips, I see him doing a basic play of trying to put attention on some random town players. I'm willing to think these players are town for the time being.


Also unrelated but

Box is kind of player with old account, empty hole and claims to be playing offside.

I never claimed to be playing offsite. There's a hole in my account cause I wasn't playing.


I also think that with cyrus drawing the attention he was, scum would bus to build a bit of towncred. That's why I targetted seanzie last night.

Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.

Goes from really liking my play

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take?

I've liked boxxy's posting a lot.

I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

To joining the wagon once it had momentum but the content had not changed.

Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.

VOTE: boxxy

Finally he hammers cyrus once it was a foregone conclusion. It just feels a bit too much like trying not to be objectionable and make friends with powertown.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[boxxy]

lol back on this again?

I do think it's best play for town to let me live one or two more nights. Even if I was scum, most information can be gained by letting me give one or two more actions and then eliminating to see if those were truthful or not. Especially with us getting scum night one, we have more time to work with.

[boxxy]

@monkey: I honestly don't even know what your case is at this point, I'm pretty sure I've addressed it but you post so much shit I can't keep track.

If you want me to address something feel free to ask.

[boxxy]

Still reading obviously but since I'm past the claim and the explanation, checking sus people like Seanzie night 1 is the worst play? Like... Roaming Detective would hold off checking sus people the first few nights period since you can never check them again.

Town would've just not checked anyone to save up. Early checks on early scumreads are a detriment to that role.

With the amount of momentum on my wagon I don't expect to live for more than a day or two

[boxxy]

I never claimed to be playing offsite.

I don't get the meta on this site.

You didn't directly but it would be super unnatural thing to say, if you don't.

Well that's not what I intended, I was comparing the meta here to IRL games.

[boxxy]

It's WIFOM-y, but I don't cyrus puts attention on his scumteam on his way out the door here. Knowing what these posts will look like after he flips, I see him doing a basic play of trying to put attention on some random town players. I'm willing to think these players are town for the time being.

The "meta" is to mix one buddy with 2 townies (dubbed 1 of 3). I would have checked nom if I was you

The joys of playing a PR. Everyone has an opinion on what you should have done, but nobody is willing to share them until after the fact.

I thought about nom, but I'm not convinced he bussed cyrus that early day 1. I'm waiting to see what he says today.

It's possible that was a set play form nom and cyrus as cyrus was too busy and wanted out of the game, but it felt pretty organic to me.

[boxxy]

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

huh

[boxxy]

If you've caught scum, you've caught scum. No need to play around.

VOTE: nom

Why the hesitation monkey? Trying to see if there's a way to get your scumpartner out of this? I actually wouldn't be surprised if monkey/nom are trying to fake powertown.

Leaving me alive last night makes sense, if they felt they discredited me pretty strongly during the day they can use me as the mis-elim.

[boxxy]

gg no re

[boxxy]

If nobody else joins the case, I'm not going to get a reaction.

[boxxy]

@moneky why hesistate though? Once you've caught scum you've caught scum right?

Where's the careful wagon pushing from day 1?

[boxxy]

pedit: carefree not careful

[boxxy]

Yeah hopefully you can find a hole in his claim to save you teammate.

[boxxy]

Some of us arn't as good at tunneling

[boxxy]

If bambi is lying we get them tomorrow, is this not a guaranteed scumkill over 2 nights? This is a normal game afterall, in what situation could they both be town.

[boxxy]

What? Why would scum!nom take the chance that you're lying and just got lucky and take a random potshot at any other townie?

[boxxy]

I was trying to figure out why I was left alive. If you have a chance to take out a town PR you should. Taking a 1/9 gamble on a random other player is nonsensical.

Unless you feel like you're in control of the game, and can get the town PR eliminated or at the very least discredited. nom did the best he could to illustrate how useless he felt my role is.

Only other situation is you're worried about a doc, so that could be the case too, but that won't be a factor tonight, there's town town investigative roles, it would be pretty unbalanced to have a doc as well.

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edit: *if there's two town investigative roles

[boxxy]

I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about bambi's hypothetical way she lives through tonight, if she's town I don't see it happening.

[boxxy]

I mean if you dont push him, Nom won't believe I have an actual guilty and won't kill me tonight so I can find his partner later.

This right here, I don't see this happening if nom is scum. 100% you take the shot at the PR.

[boxxy]

Either way I think the play is nom today and if he flips town then bambi tomorrow.

The only alternative is if nom claims miller, I'll have to think if I'd believe such a claim.

[boxxy]

edit: *if there's two town investigative roles

I can

guarantee

you there are 2 Town Investigative roles, and it has nothing to do with Bambi's "hint". Your role can only catch scum who have killed, right? And you can't even check the same person twice. This means scum theoretically could have assigned only one member to do all the kills and get you to give soft/fake clears all the way until you catch their killing member. That sounds big time broken. There has to be a "counter part" of you (a Psychiatrist) and they have to be gated too.

I won't say much more because it's not exactly pro-town to say it. Just trust me when I say there's another Investigative out there.

I don't have enough experience to know what makes a setup truly balanced so I'll take you at your word.

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Cool, so you yolo'd it.

An investigative who yolo'd it in the eliminated scum's wagon, who only remembers 5 standouts in #740, and hasn't even fully caught up before #772, who's very dodgy in their thought process, dodgy in their guilty result, and dodgy in their role mechanics.

On top of it all, claims a guilty result on one of the strongest town slots in this game.

What a hard sell.

Hahaha, you're not going to save your scumpartner monkey. You should have bussed when you had the chance.

[boxxy]

Trying to fake powertown duo was a bold strat I'll give you that. If Bambi didn't get lucky it might have even worked.

But this complete reversal from reckless wagon pushing to all caution "I don't trust bambi yet," without even acknowledging that its guaranteed scum kill over 2 days might as well be a scumclaim.

[boxxy]

@Bambi should be 4 votes by my count

[boxxy]

If nom flips scum we look at the monkee.

[boxxy]

I softed Psychiatrist on D1

If I was a designer I'd compliment the "Roaming Detective" with a "Novice Psychiatrist" and then toss in a 1-shot Vig to mess with them both.

and started D2 soft-pushing you

I would have checked nom if I was you

Bambi just wanted me to stay alive, and didn't realize I was only allowed ONE guilty since the other Scum already killed. I let it play because it was interesting and it helps to see who goes with and who objects and for what reasons. I was working under the assumption both nom & HEM were scum together, but the reactions I got are enough for me to think otherwise. nom is Town

Did you mean Psychologist?

from: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Psychiatrist
"The Psychiatrist is a player who can target a player each Night. If that player is a Serial Killer, that player reverts to a Vanilla Townie."


vs Psychologist:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Psychologist
"The Psychologist is an investigative role that determines a player's ability to kill."

Kind of odd to get the name of your own role wrong, unless its a fakeclaim

[boxxy]

@monkey yeah we will don't need to keep repeating. Anyone who fakeclaims a guilty and lets the elim happen should be elminated next.

[boxxy]

UNVOTE:

[boxxy]

"Novice is a role modifier that doesn't allow power roles to use their ability Night 1/Day 1. "

WTF are you even doing? This is such anti-town play

VOTE: Almost50

[boxxy]

P.S: I love how Nom and Monkey townread each other but did instantly vote the other when a fake guilty came up. Clearly they didn't have strong enough townreads.

Why would you trust your read over a guilty claim? The play is to trust the claim and kill the claimer if it was false.

I don't even... can we just kill bambi/almost50 for reckless anti-town play?

[boxxy]

he hasn't checked Dwlee either which he opened with a vote on him today.

Obviously if I don't get a guilty on who I check I won't push them, so whoever I do push I either got guilty on or didn't check. This is a nonsensical statement disguised as a gotcha.

I refuse to believe he doesn't check me here.

Believe what you want, when cyrus flipped scum I thought you were town so I didn't check you. When bambi fakeclaimed you guilty then I went with it, because why would I not?

Tell you what, kill me and if I flip town we kill you next, deal?

[boxxy]

I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.

That doesn't make sense, If sean is scum, and I'm town and sean kills kyouko I wouldn't have gotten a "sean has not killed anyone" result last night.

[boxxy]

AFK for the next many hours

UNVOTE:

[boxxy]

"That's not why I'm scum, I bussed my partner so I deserve towncred."

[boxxy]

Phone posting while my wife gets a haircut, then afk again

[boxxy]

Quick post before bed after catching up, just to answer a few questions thrown my way.

As T3 mentioned I am fairly new, I played a few games years ago, and just got back into it with a game a week or so again.

I chose seanzie for my target because I was fairly confident cyrus had be bussed, so I picked a more or less random choice from that wagon. Nom/HEM's push felt organic, the rest of the wagon didn't have much content except seanzie who had parked his vote there early and never returned. I didn't have the

@Seanzie what do you want me to explain, that whole post is explanation. I can outline it again tomorrow in more detail if you don't follow or if you have any specific questions please share.

[boxxy]

Salsa has not killed anyone.

@Almost result?

[boxxy]

?

Bodyguard is a targeted role, just because nom decides to target someone doesn't clear them

[boxxy]

Oh NVM I'm dumb

[boxxy]

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

[boxxy]

Yes from himself

[boxxy]

There's only 3 of us posting atm, I'm looking at the case, why do you consider it not serious?

[boxxy]

I'm going to dog into the Kerset case later, I'm on mobile at the moment so loading and following all those links is very labrious. In the meantime I'm thinking about nom and HEM for moment.

noms posting and pushing to kill a PR makes a lot more sense now, there's no fear of killing TPR when you're a backup. That doesn't explain HEM was just as eager.

That's being said , I assume nom targets a claimed PR, either me or 50 last ngiht. I don't think scum HEM targets me with night kill, noms last posts already set up for the two of them to push my wagon after seanzie flipped town. He doesn't target nom either, as they were buddies hard.

So scum!HEM only exists in a world where he shoots Almost50 last night.

I typed all this thinking I had something but now I forget what my point was...

[boxxy]

Actually I think any scum targets Almost50 last night, I'm set up to be the elim after seanzie flipped town. Take a shot at one claimed TPR assuming the other will be voted out by town as nom outlined.

At this point I'm going to wait until Almost50 gets here and says who he checked and why.

Might dig in to Kerset more if I have the time and energy.

[boxxy]

I think it's likely scum targeted a TPR. I also think it's unlikely nom would protect me. Therefore the most likely situation is scum and nom targeted A50.

The other option is scum and nom both targeted some other random player. It's possible but seems less likely.

[boxxy]

@HEM who would you kill as scum last night then

[boxxy]

@boxxy

I would have killed you N1. I always kill PR first. Read my games. You scumread me and you have the ability to check me or my partner. I have a dominant playstyle and I'm sure I could have elimmed anyone else during the days. I'm not dumb and I wouldn't have gambled a guilty.

I specifically asked about last night since I assumed scum!you would have targetted A50.

I highly doubt nom wouldn't pick anyone. It would be smarter to pick someone he doesn't think would get killed so that he at least becomes bulletproof.
So following that reasoning, you think a50 is completely clear? I don't trust him on play and don't want to let him win on an assumption that nom protected him.

I have just read the description for bodyguard and hider. I think you're right that nomnomnom wouldn't pick anybody. So following that reason, I think boxxy and/or A50 have a glaring huge red flag on them that has reads "SCUM".

I also just read what Hider, but I have no idea what you're getting at here.

[boxxy]

I also just read what Hider, but I have no idea what you're getting at here.

both of you are investigative claimed prs that nomnomnom wouldn't hide/protect in. so it's logical that scum would have targetted either of you. but they didn't, and that points towards scum you's.

I see, but wouldn't he hide/protect his highest scumread in that case? Considering his last words were

if sean flips town then it's almost certain that one of A50 and boxxy are lying.

I see him picking one of us regardless, probably me if he's trying to go bulletproof.

[boxxy]

Course he could also take a chance on a random but as certain as he way my bet is he tries to hide behind me. But we might be descending down a WIFOM rabbit hole analyzing this.

A massclaim here might be okay.

[boxxy]

Lol

[boxxy]

Dwlee are you scumreding max based upon your list?

[boxxy]

Dwlee99 but why does max make the list over T3?

[boxxy]

Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

I don't think this is is newbtown, I think this is newbscum trying to find an out. Picking those who seem to be the least objectionable for an "info flip" and yet targetting the only claimed TPRs with no counterclaim. That's a scum move.

What makes it Kerset or T3? How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

I think Max puts Kerset/T3 in her list due to PoE from a scum!perspective of picking unobjectionable players that arn't on their team. Back here:

Spoiler: max

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Max doesn't even mention Kerset/T3 but now they're on their scum list along with the two TPRs? Yeah I don't buy it.

I'm think its Max/Bambi, possibly Max/Almost50.

At this point I'm fairly certain nom tried to hide behind me as his biggest scumread. Before I thought he would target a TPR to protect, but I didn't realize he also had the Hider role, now I think nom would try to go bulletproof on his biggest scumread, so I don't think A50 is cleared as being nom's target.

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So your main scumreads are the claimed PRs who have no counterclaims?

If A50 retracts their claim then I am locktown until a counterclaim happens, there's no way there's two bodyguards with nobody to guard

The fact that you only say it makes me "townish" looks like scum trying to avoid townreading a slot.

My pick3 list is now, in order or preference

Max
Bambi
Maybe A50

[boxxy]

VOTE: MaxTheFox

Yeah I don't like any of this.

Assuming no townie lies, a flip on one either soft-clears or soft-guilties the other.

I am down to flip either for this reason actually. A50 seems worse to me but if boxxy does something outrageously scummy I will vote boxxy instead.

Tell me if there' a huge flaw in my reasoning that invalidates this whole plan.

Like what is this. The flaw in your reasoning is you're willing to kill TPR for a softclear/guilty on another player.

All your posting today read to me as scum trying to catch up and find a safe read to make today rather than town trying to solve the game. I know this game has a lot of posts but there has been a lot of down time as well with the two nights so far. Town!you could have used that to catch up and form scumreads with any sort of reasoning, but instead scum!you is trying to look involved after pressure by just copy pasting the reads from powertown HEM.

It all reads like you're trying to not ruffle any feathers and just get to another night phase.


If Max flips scum we should also remember these two posts

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

[boxxy]

In all probability I was only kept alive night1

[boxxy]

Any argument starting with "I know I'm town therefore..." Is worthless as nobody else can verify.

You are cometely ignoring that nom could have gone for bulletproof and tried to hide behind me as his top scumreads.

[boxxy]

I don't buy it at all. You just noticed that people believe in box more then you, so you decided to retcon everything in order to suit your current needs.
VOTE: A50

@boxxy: You still think this is Town over Bambi??

lol no not really. I could see Fox+Kerset at this point. All of kersets posts today have been little more than Look Here First.

MaxTheFox → Almost50 → Bambi Jay solves the game.

I'm not sure A50+Bambi are scumteam. Their interplay feels authentic to me, but maybe I should read the two in iso and look up meta.

I also realized Box's first check was Seanzie and he didn't defend him like at all. Fun in hindsight.

That kill happened so fast lol.

Reflection sucks cuz now that I realized that I can take her off my list and put Max since she was number 4 in my priority of top 3 elims.

I state again I don't trust Monkey but since I'm outnumbered I'll stick with town on Max.

Sorry explain this? You're taking 'her" off you list and putting max, but you're sticking with town on max? What is your list, use names pls.

[boxxy]

I think we kill Max, Kerset, Dwlee and Bambi in some order that starts with Max.

Fairly Confident Townreads:
T3
HEM
Salsa
A50

Minor townread
Bambi

Neutral
Dwlee99

Minor scumread
Kerset

Major scumread
Max


Maybe i'm just pocketed by A50 but this is what i'm reading at the moment.

[boxxy]

Dwlee/Bambi are maybe swappable. I feel like Dwlee has just played an uncontroversial game and sheeped monkey when convenient. But I think prompting the massclaim today was a smart pro-town move that I'm not sure scum would attempt.

[boxxy]

Pretty sure he finally claimed VT after most of the claims were in

[boxxy]

I too would like to hear this

[boxxy]

@monkey can you explain calmly and early why you had me essentially locked scum day1 and day 2

[boxxy]

*clearly

[boxxy]

@monkey can you explain calmly and early why you had me essentially locked scum day1 and day 2

@boxxy

A. bad progression
A1. focusing on anti-town elims instead of scumreads (even though you make a fuss about "noise on scumhunting")
A2. calling me scum and pushing for my elimination for garbage posting and then giving me a townlean for more garbage posts
A3. recanting that you thought i was scum and were actually pushing for my elimination
A4. calling Seanzie dishonest (shading) and then voting nomnomnom for anti-town scumhunting methods
A5. voting nomnomnom for anti-town scumhunting methods (as she pushes for cyrus), instead of cyrus (who nomnomnom pushes) who you actually scumread

B. bad reaction to pressure
B1. dismisses my push by painting me as stupid
B2. claims an investigative role that vaguely gives any clearance to slots
B3. unable to explain what a detective is
B4. TMIs that I'm town in the statement "your trash play cost us the game"
B5. goes straight to AtE and basically gives up trying to solve the game
B6. dismisses my posts as "filler"

C. roleclaim
C1. still alive in N1
C2. checked Seanzie, his townread, but not nomnomnom or HEM or anyone else who he still suspected

D. mechanical
D1. flip will confirm Salsabil
D2. eliminate wifom
D3. gives a lot of associative reads

The reason why I slowed down today and I want to get an in-depth read of every slot is that there's a very good chance that you're still scum here and I want to have the freedom to eliminate you Day 4. But that means I have to nail scum today. I'm treating this day as MELO. I think I have 33% if not 66% chance of doing that with {Max The Fox, Almost50, and Bambi Jay}.

@Almost50 what of this case do you disagree with?

[boxxy]

Still think Dwlee99 is town?

[boxxy]

Salsa no worries, depression sucks, take the time you need.

[boxxy]

Almost50 I get that you're frustrated but personal attacks are out of line

[boxxy]

Arnt we not supposed to discuss ongoing games?

[boxxy]

Well played Dwlee.

Gg all, that was fun.

[boxxy]

@Dwlee

Ah you're right, I thought this was the hammer, but you were already voting him at that point.

I'll do you one better monkey
VOTE: Almost50
Goodnight

[boxxy]

@Dwlee the slow play you did the last 2 days was just agonizing to watch from the dead thread lol. I really want HEM to come back to this thread and share his reaction. Just absolutely pocketed.

[boxxy]

Do you think I could have gone faster? I wanted to make sure I didn't seem to be rushing a win (like the accusation max made on HEM)

Honestly no idea, I think you probably played it right. You were so townread by others that you probably _could_ have gotten away with playing faster, but the slow play was probably safer.