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[Salsabil Faria]

Sure!

VOTE: cyrus62

[Salsabil Faria]

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

[Salsabil Faria]

Slow burn till 17th (I've a final exam that day).

[Salsabil Faria]

Slow burn till 17th (I've a final exam that day).

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

1. I will be using

Teal

for my mod color. Avoid using it.

Sure!

VOTE: cyrus62

Yeah I notice that too but he used this color also, so I'm kind of confused

Sending out Role PM's now.

[Salsabil Faria]

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

[Salsabil Faria]

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Not Game Related

Till 17th, I'll be less active due to study purpose.

[Salsabil Faria]

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

[Salsabil Faria]

For a meta thing, salsabil felt at least similar in a non-serious game late week. I'm going to be more wary this game of gut townreading there because she tricked everyone including the dead thread.

You have to check my town games also.... I have a pretty similar way as any alignment.

[Salsabil Faria]

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

Umm... what am I missing?

[Salsabil Faria]

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

[Salsabil Faria]

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

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Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

The guy obviously knows how to play mafia so when a player like that comes in and says "I am new to this site why would I stick out my neck like this as scum?" it strikes me as potential scum who wants to sell a certain image of themselves with weird self-meta.

I'm strengthening my townlean on you based on this, and now you're probably going to accuse me of trying to pocket you.

^This post is a scum post (I wonder one thing by seeing your posts that most probably your scum partners aren't online yet. Imo, they most probably didn't let you post like this if they were online rn?).

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rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

Umm... what am I missing?

that some how asking for votes in rvs make you scum.

I thought it was a joke?

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Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

^this is fake. Townlean rescinded.

Multiple people: This guy clearly knows what's up. He could be scum pulling a second level scum play.

Salsabil: He looks like newb scum.

Nope.

Well bruh, if you get caught on day 1 between page 1 to 3.... I'm sorry but I don't think it's a second level scum play tbh.

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rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

Umm... what am I missing?

that some how asking for votes in rvs make you scum.

I thought it was a joke?

It wasn't. It was just an overstated read to get the game going.

How do you feel about Cyrus's reaction to it?

I was talking about

cyrus62

's 17 (and I think he also meant the same thing in 54?) which I thought it was a joke.
But his 49 sounds really weird, I don't find any posts that can anger anyone yet. But I also think you vs him aren't TvT, so let's see what happens....

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Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

^this is fake. Townlean rescinded.

Multiple people: This guy clearly knows what's up. He could be scum pulling a second level scum play.

Salsabil: He looks like newb scum.

Nope.

Well bruh, if you get caught on day 1 between page 1 to 3.... I'm sorry but I don't think it's a second level scum play tbh.

What does that say about you and Cyrus?

If you're implying that we're scum together then it's totally wrong. I only know meta about these people from the pl:

T3

,

Almost50

and

Dwlee99

. So, the others' (including

cyrus62

) meta is unfamiliar to me.
and about my scum meta, if you don't familiar with my gameplay, I can most probably trick you as my town and scum game is pretty similar.

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Out of curiosity, what meta did you pick up between me saying "someone is going to blow up today don't worry" and getting immediately blown up?

Nothing It was meant to 'know/play with them before' list which messed up with the meta word

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Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

^this is fake. Townlean rescinded.

Multiple people: This guy clearly knows what's up. He could be scum pulling a second level scum play.

Salsabil: He looks like newb scum.

Nope.

Well bruh, if you get caught on day 1 between page 1 to 3.... I'm sorry but I don't think it's a second level scum play tbh.

What does that say about you and Cyrus?

If you're implying that we're scum together then it's totally wrong. I only know meta about these people from the pl:

T3

,

Almost50

and

Dwlee99

. So, the others' (including

cyrus62

) meta is unfamiliar to me.
and about my scum meta, if you don't familiar with my gameplay, I can most probably trick you as my town and scum game is pretty similar.

Why are you bringing up meta here? There is nothing wrong with mentioning who you know in general, but it seems weird to tack that onto a post where you're saying "I'm not scum". Is the first sentence in any way linked to the rest of the post?

I thought you implied I and

cyrus62

are scum together, and I said why I'm not scum with him + gave you a hint about my scum/town play style....
And for

cyrus62

,( as you mentioned us as a scum team), and me by saying that I'm not scum doesn't mean he is not. That's why I cleared (at least I thought I cleared) the whole partnership thing you thought we are.

[Salsabil Faria]

Mod notes: Salsabil Faria is fine to continue using that colour if they wish, this will be rescinded if people begin confusing their communication with mine. As a side-note, the rules have a different shade of teal because I actually used the color picker to make them but for all other situations I just write

and it's a different shade.

[Salsabil Faria]

i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

Okay but I'm used to the scum word, and I think most of the players here gonna use the scum/mafia word generally.
But I'll try to address you as wolf if I think you're, for now, you're null.

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Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

^this is fake. Townlean rescinded.

Multiple people: This guy clearly knows what's up. He could be scum pulling a second level scum play.

Salsabil: He looks like newb scum.

Nope.

Well bruh, if you get caught on day 1 between page 1 to 3.... I'm sorry but I don't think it's a second level scum play tbh.

What does that say about you and Cyrus?

If you're implying that we're scum together then it's totally wrong. I only know meta about these people from the pl:

T3

,

Almost50

and

Dwlee99

. So, the others' (including

cyrus62

) meta is unfamiliar to me.
and about my scum meta, if you don't familiar with my gameplay, I can most probably trick you as my town and scum game is pretty similar.

Why are you bringing up meta here? There is nothing wrong with mentioning who you know in general, but it seems weird to tack that onto a post where you're saying "I'm not scum". Is the first sentence in any way linked to the rest of the post?

I thought you implied I and

cyrus62

are scum together, and I said why I'm not scum with him + gave you a hint about my scum/town play style....
And for

cyrus62

,( as you mentioned us as a scum team), and me by saying that I'm not scum doesn't mean he is not. That's why I cleared (at least I thought I cleared) the whole partnership thing you thought we are.

why worry so much.

But I'm not worrying???

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i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

Okay but I'm used to the scum word, and I think most of the players here gonna use the scum/mafia word generally.
But I'll try to address you as wolf if I think you're, for now, you're null.

is that what you got from that i said don't call me wolf gee.

Oops sorry! English is not my native language + I'm studying rn so, sometimes I got things wrong

[Salsabil Faria]

What the fuck was that entrance

A troller and not so my department

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Everybody, quick! Name one person who you think is town!

nomnomnom

: nulltown atm

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i like the color blue i will use this as my personal color it's different than the mod

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i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello Hectic

Who?

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Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

[Salsabil Faria]

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

its only page 5 we are still waiting for everyone to post before we give reads. at least i am not everyone is so quick to find scum on page 1.

Waiting to give reads only slows down town and benefits scum.

How?

[Salsabil Faria]

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

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ftr I still think that there might be scum in the Sean/Salsabil/Cyrus trio, those interactions have a hint of "blunder" to them if that makes sense
pedit: no u

Doesn't make sense to me.

[Salsabil Faria]

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

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Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

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Dwlee99 is more null then town to me.
predit means they went to post but then got stoped half way though

predit. sean wanted reads super badly so im throwing out there and will change them as i see fit.

You doing something to please other players is something I don't imagine you would do as town.
VOTE: Cyrus

cant speak of on going games. but i felt like i upset to many people as of late so i wanted to see if i could do less of being of yelled at. it hurts you know always being called scum on every game i play.

AtE

Spoiler:

it hurts you know always being called scum on every game i play.

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cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

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VOTE: seanzie
Fake helpful.

What are your thoughts on other players (who posted) so far?

[Salsabil Faria]

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

[Salsabil Faria]

If we lim cyrus today and he flips scum I'll happily reveal the tell, mind you. I just think that if I post it right now it won't be taken seriously at all and we will go down an awkward phase where I explain my reasoning for posts and posts to come, but I have strong reasons to think this indicates scum!cyrus

I mean the day has only started, let's see what happens further.... We have 1 week.

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ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.

But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??

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i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

In my experience, it's 50-50 for trollers to flip scum/town. I personally can't read trollers but I like them as they make game(s) more enjoyable.

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If we lim cyrus today and he flips scum I'll happily reveal the tell, mind you. I just think that if I post it right now it won't be taken seriously at all and we will go down an awkward phase where I explain my reasoning for posts and posts to come, but I have strong reasons to think this indicates scum!cyrus

... this is anti-town. Stop trying to soften the blow of your read and just share it. It's okay to share stuff saying "I admit its weak," its not okay to dangle information like this as a carrot to bait people onto a wagon.

Agreed on this.

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my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

been away for 2 years but yes i have. it was a mistake.

That's not mafia, that's arithmetic.

VOTE: seanzie
Fake helpful.

What are your thoughts on other players (who posted) so far?

[Salsabil Faria]

anti-town fart noises

[Salsabil Faria]

strongest scumreads cyrus and boxxy. seanzie depends on whether or not he's full of life, spirit, energy, or movement

Reasons behind the reads?

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i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

In my experience, it's 50-50 for trollers to flip scum/town. I personally can't read trollers but I like them as they make game(s) more enjoyable.

I don't get the meta on this site.

Imagine a game of all trollers. It's not even a game anymore, its a shitposting dice rolling simulator.

What I do like about trollers is every time I bring up my support for policy lim, people trip over themselves to establish towncred by pointing out how seriously they are against such an anti-town play.

You've to read this game then

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86864

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ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.

But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??

Yes, Boxxxy went for the easy push and ssbm_Kyouko questioned Boxxxy about it, which looks good for ssbm_Kyouko.

Oh ok, misunderstood the post.

[Salsabil Faria]

Seanzie answer me senpai

strongest scumreads cyrus and boxxy. seanzie depends on whether or not he's full of life, spirit, energy, or movement

Reasons behind the reads?

[Salsabil Faria]

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

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This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

[Salsabil Faria]

hahahahahahaha you thought i thought he thought that you thought i thought he thought hahahahahaha im not scum obviously XD XD XD

Lolol!

[Salsabil Faria]

anti-town

Seanzie is not fake helpful, he's just the synonym of frantic (wink wink). They usually have 2-serious-2-soon openings that are meant to be funny in an ironic way or provocative that those unfamiliar would react to them. Right, Seanzie? Confirm if I'm right.

anti-town fart noises

*noises*

strongest scumreads cyrus and boxxy. seanzie depends on whether or not he's full of life, spirit, energy, or movement

one game related content

everyone else is out of my radar

anti-town fart noises

Seanzie answer me senpai

seems legit

anti-town fart noises

this is just noise preventing us from doing actual scumhunting.

he said, with trumpets and fanfare

Seanzie answer me senpai

Answer you about what?

are you excited frenzied heated fervid agitated overwrought

Hectic, Seanzie. Are you Hectic?

bdsm_ultimate_detective

i laughed out loud

anti-town fart noises

*more noises*

VOTE: boxxy

lean on this

> Seanzie is dishonest
> votes nomnomnom for "anti-town behavior"

two game related contents

>monkey is anti-town and should be lynched
>hahaha i was just saying that just in case!

hahahahahahaha you thought i thought he thought that you thought i thought he thought hahahahahaha im not scum obviously XD XD XD

*a few more noises*

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

He started to post actual content and not just troll posts.

I think you changed your mind to avoid the pressure which is scummy imo.

UNVOTE: Seanzie

VOTE: boxxy

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I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

I think it was a mistake and NAI.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: boxxy
Imagine having called the monkey anti-town after these last posts.
Ultra town.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. I guess this is just based on some super secret tell that you'll honest to goodness share after

securing a mis-elim

????

You were pushing the cyrus wagon saying you'll only reveal your tell if he flips scum. Talking all about how "its super stupid though but I think I got him." Just setting yourself up to claim "damn i guess it was stupid" when he flips town. Thus securing a mis-elim that you don't get blamed for.

Official Vote Count 1.02

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy[/area]

[Salsabil Faria]

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

What is your preferred wagon atm?

[Salsabil Faria]

lmao im just trolling to lol. or am i.

You're ignoring me for sure!

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

[Salsabil Faria]

I think you changed your mind to avoid the pressure which is scummy imo.

UNVOTE: Seanzie

VOTE: boxxy

In my last game a troll poster posted _literally_ nothing. I feared that would be the case here with monkey. Then they posted a few legit posts so I moved on from that. If you find that scummy well then gg I guess.

Mention the posts you think are legit.

[Salsabil Faria]

In my last game a troll poster posted _literally_ nothing. I feared that would be the case here with monkey. Then they posted a few legit posts so I moved on from that. If you find that scummy well then gg I guess.

who is the troll poster

It was Not_Mafia

Haha.... he is the only person who plays exactly the same style as any alignment for years. I don't think anyone ever can read him properly with confidence.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think you changed your mind to avoid the pressure which is scummy imo.

UNVOTE: Seanzie

VOTE: boxxy

In my last game a troll poster posted _literally_ nothing. I feared that would be the case here with monkey. Then they posted a few legit posts so I moved on from that. If you find that scummy well then gg I guess.

Mention the posts you think are legit.

Welcome to the townblock, Salsabil Faria. There's a $250 membership fee. We accept Visa or Mastercard.

[Salsabil Faria]

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

What is your preferred wagon atm?

I'm trying to sort nom right now because our views on boxxxy are so incongruent

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

[Salsabil Faria]

this is just noise preventing us from doing actual scumhunting.

he said, with trumpets and fanfare

What did you even mean by this?

[Salsabil Faria]

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

Is boxxy still scumreading cyrus? If so yea that looks bad but I haven't seen or don't remember that. In general I think changing your mind on a slot isn't alignment indicative unless it's a super weird shift. What specifically about the change on his monkey read did you not like?

Dude, you're slipping
256
264

Spoiler: EBWOP of 2 mistakes

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

What is your preferred wagon atm?

I'm trying to sort nom right now because our views on boxxxy are so incongruent

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

The post I mentioned here is wrong, should be 256 instead of 275.

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

It was meant to be like this:

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

Yes, you voted him.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

[Salsabil Faria]

Is it just cyrus-boxxy-dwlee

Too good to be true!

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: boxxy

It's not about buying or not buying, fmpov it will be a good play if we don't eliminate pr, especially on Day in 1. If he is truly a TPR than he should be the nk tomorrow. But if he will alive on Day 2, then he will have some explanations to do.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

[Salsabil Faria]

I've been burnt enough by scums claiming PR on day 1 after a successful push to think that the line of "let's not lynch a claimed PR day 1 guys" is a bad one.
I don't buy the claim and it's the kind of role you can claim and then use to WIFOM all game as scum.

I know and also have experience about that... My point is there are 3 scums and we have time to hunt the other two. If we leave the pr claim today, he definitely have to show us the night result in Day 2 if he will still alive with claiming pr.

[Salsabil Faria]

Let's suppose boxxy really is a town roaming det. Now the scums know that there is a roaming det. If that is the case, town!boxxy at most only gets one guilty, and that's the best case scenario.
I have absolutely no problem lynching this claim on day 1 with this in mind, because it's way more likely that boxxy claimed this role as scum with the intent of going full WIFOM on town by claiming non-guilties all game long, and that info says absolutely no info on the scumteam as well.

We can eliminate him on Day 2 if that happens. I mainly want to what scum do with the claim.

[Salsabil Faria]

Let's suppose boxxy really is a town roaming det. Now the scums know that there is a roaming det. If that is the case, town!boxxy at most only gets one guilty, and that's the best case scenario.
I have absolutely no problem lynching this claim on day 1 with this in mind, because it's way more likely that boxxy claimed this role as scum with the intent of going full WIFOM on town by claiming non-guilties all game long, and that info says absolutely no info on the scumteam as well.

We can eliminate him on Day 2 if that happens. I mainly want to what scum do with the claim.

want to see*

[Salsabil Faria]

Your disappearance while you're on the verge of elimination point towards scum!you are lurking with the hope of wagon vanishing by using AtE

When I flip town roaming detective I hope you reflect on how your trash play cost us the game.

Roaming means I can only target a player once for the entire game.

Basically you're a 1-shot detective. What pinged me here is I never saw the use of

roaming

word instead of

1-shot

here before for any role.

Those who have experience here, is

roaming

is commonly used for any role, especially in a normal setup?

[Salsabil Faria]

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

[Salsabil Faria]

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

[Salsabil Faria]

monkey you're tunneled bro. You argument continues to be "why did he one person when he also said somebody else could be scummy." From now on I'll try to talk about only one thing at a time so you don't get confused okay?

FTR, you are definitely not out of the ballpark with me, even if I have shut down some bad casing of you. Monkey's case had issues, but that doesn't clear you.

Tell me about your early Monkey read. Why did you switch from "Monkey scum" to "Monkey is a policy elim" the way you did.

I also don't think

Seanzie

and

boxxy

are scum together.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Not Game Related

Till 17th, I'll be less active due to study purpose.

Spoiler:

No studying allowed when the game is ongoing. Get your priorities sorted, miss.

Spoiler:

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm studying rn

If you need help.. just ask (provided it's not about Maths, Physics, Chemistry. Biology, Art, Literature, Astronomy, Music, History, Geography, or any other subject really)

Will I pass?

Everybody, quick! Name one person who you think is town!

I still think it's you (my top TR) but I have a suspicious mind of some players whom I've played with before (i.e. I "should" be Town leaning Salsa & DWlee, but I'm not going to let my first impression affect my final decision)

NOPE! You

shouldn't

townlean me.... it'll make the

death-tunnel

war between us B O O R I N G!!

[Salsabil Faria]

I personally can't read trollers but I like them as they make game(s) more enjoyable.

Thank you

[Salsabil Faria]

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello monkey1. Do you think Cyrus is evil? I feel pretty good about catching the townslip and I'd like to hear your thoughts if you disagree. 3 is still not E-1 in a newbie but the explanation of "oh I thought I was in a newbie" is the slip.

I don't remember if he said that he thought it was a newbie game. Iirr, he said he got used to with newbie games where 5 votes lead to elimination, so he kept thinking it was E-1/E-2 for him which should be considered as NAI fmpov.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Mod

, can we have a VC please if possible?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello monkey1. Do you think Cyrus is evil? I feel pretty good about catching the townslip and I'd like to hear your thoughts if you disagree. 3 is still not E-1 in a newbie but the explanation of "oh I thought I was in a newbie" is the slip.

Is this addressed to me? Cyrus can still be scum who forgot about how many players it needs to elim him, but the pressure of being possibly in E-1 gave him a panic. The amount of players it needs to eliminate you is shared information by scum and town, not just town. You can make this mistake as town, and you can still make this mistake as scum.

Monkey1 is Almost50, sorry
I get this but I thought it was specifically that he thought he was in a newbie. The second sentence is more @salsa but I might be misremembering.

If we lim cyrus today and he flips scum I'll happily reveal the tell, mind you. I just think that if I post it right now it won't be taken seriously at all and we will go down an awkward phase where I explain my reasoning for posts and posts to come, but I have strong reasons to think this indicates scum!cyrus

because i got used to newbie games where it only takes 5?

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh you're right. He just says he got used to newbies. I'm still wondering if it is town-indicative because the 3 scum thing would remind you that it isn't a newbie but also there could be a traitor and that could make him think he is in a newbie scum team?

No, his mistake/slip was about the vote numbers for elimination, not about set-up.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

[Salsabil Faria]

^This doesn't even have anything to do with boxxy's content. The ROLE itself is 100% Town, and is hard for Scum to fake.

Roaming means I can only target a player once for the entire game.

Basically you're a 1-shot detective. What pinged me here is I never saw the use of

roaming

word instead of

1-shot

here before for any role.

Those who have experience here, is

roaming

is commonly used for any role, especially in a normal setup?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, boxxy claimed something different. Roaming (target a player only once) and 1-shot (can only use the role once) are different claims.

Oh wait.... let me check the wiki.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, boxxy claimed something different. Roaming (target a player only once) and 1-shot (can only use the role once) are different claims.

Oh wait.... let me check the wiki.

Yup, I messed up.....sorry

boxxy

!

Wiki says:

Roaming is a role modifier that prevents a power role from ever targeting the same player twice. Even if the ability is blocked or otherwise prevented, you may not target that player ever again. Likewise, if the ability is redirected or deflected, you may not attempt to target your original target again but you may target the player you were redirected to on another Night.

[Salsabil Faria]

Like think about it too. From a setup perspective, in what situation do you decide to add a roaming modifier to a detective? Detective is already somewhat on the weaker side of role (I estimate it less useful than a tracker, taking into account the same scum makes all the same kills, which is likely in a setup where mafia isn't multitasking by default), why would you nerf it on top of that with a roaming modifier? Like now that the role is claimed you can see it has now become a role that is 90% useless unless you somehow hit the scum committing the nightkill. That is it. You are getting at most one guilty. How is that a role a moderator includes in a setup?
Normally I am wary of outguessing the mod situations but here it just strikes me as a claim that scums can easily make because it does not clear anything, and you can go the whole game without claiming a single guilty and still manage to explain how you will not die on every night by (correctly) saying your role is justifiably weak so it does not warrant a nightkill from the scums.

I can clearly understand your point now, still, I'm unsure about eliminating a pr claim on Day 1. But I'll keep my mind open.

[Salsabil Faria]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

I don't find

boxxy

there....
Was the game about fake claiming btw?

[Salsabil Faria]

Found only one game that uses it — ONE.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

I don't find

boxxy

there....
Was the game about fake claiming btw?

Nevermind! read it wrong

[Salsabil Faria]

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

[Salsabil Faria]

Roaming Rolecop wouldn't makesense. Also I just looked atthe wiki and ddetective is always town.

well scum can claim anything but anyway dectec can be evil too https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76996

That's interesting.... I also thought

detective

is a town role in normal set-up.

[Salsabil Faria]

This is the perfect kind of role for scum to claim because you can spend all your game faking garbage results and WIFOMing about scums not NKing you because of these parameters.

What if he "fakes" a "Didn't kill" result on -say- a VIGILANTE?

I -at least- know whom to vote out of the Kerset/DWlee/nomnom trio

Don't understand..... can you explain your thought process?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

i have never been on here with phone untill the last 6 days. like when i got back i started using my phone on here for the 1st time and cant just use it as easy as my pc. also when i try to quote on the phone i do it wrong. as for being scum. why would i defend a pr if i was scum. wouldn't i push for a mislynch.

Still didn't answer my question! You don't even have to quote my post, just sates the reason why you scumread me, pc or no pc, not tough to type the answer at all!

As you being scum: maybe because

boxxy

is not a tpr but scum who scum!you wants to save?
Even if

boxxy

is really a tpr, defending him doesn't necessarily mean that you're a town, can be a scum looks for towncread after the flip.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'd also like to refer to this thread
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Like, who ever gave you the idea that there's only one invest in the game?? If I was a designer I'd compliment the "Roaming Detective" with a "Novice Psychiatrist" and then toss in a 1-shot Vig to mess with them both.

It's entirely possible and to be fair that is the only thing that goes in the sense that this role is a real town role.
As I said before, the hard part is coming up with the "roaming" modifier, and the only thing it takes for scum to come up with a roaming something is for the scumteam to have a roaming something, and I could see a few roles that could be scum and roaming.

Well, in one of my previous games, the town lost the game terribly for considering mechanics too much but not actually depending on the day play.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

and the reason of your vote is lack of answer to the question like that the heck is the deal here

Spoiler: Free Advice

Re-Read!

[Salsabil Faria]

Just wait for

Rathe

people, or a replacement....

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

and the reason of your vote is lack of answer to the question like that the heck is the deal here

Also he still doesn't answer it but keep responding to other things...
What do you think about that?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

Without deep reading it would be 17

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

Cool! Now how many of the questions aren't answered yet?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

i have never been on here with phone untill the last 6 days. like when i got back i started using my phone on here for the 1st time and cant just use it as easy as my pc. also when i try to quote on the phone i do it wrong. as for being scum. why would i defend a pr if i was scum. wouldn't i push for a mislynch.

Still didn't answer my question! You don't even have to quote my post, just sates the reason why you scumread me, pc or no pc, not tough to type the answer at all!

As you being scum: maybe because

boxxy

is not a tpr but scum who scum!you wants to save?
Even if

boxxy

is really a tpr, defending him doesn't necessarily mean that you're a town, can be a scum looks for towncread after theflip[/color

this doesnt come from scum but from town so dont lynch this slot.

Guys,

cyrus62

is scum

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

Without deep reading it would be 17

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

Cool! Now how many of the questions aren't answered yet?

5 speaking from memory
and now we got another question of yours, which leads towards no conlusion

From these 5 questions, 1 is kept ignoring by

cyrus62

while he is online.... rest of the 4 I think towards other people who aren't online yet or not game related.
So, you can't be exaggerated that I'm having no conclusion.

[Salsabil Faria]

Will I pass?

I can't guarantee it, but you can definitely pass the salt, if you please.

[Salsabil Faria]

E-1 I suppose

[Salsabil Faria]

^This doesn't even have anything to do with boxxy's content. The ROLE itself is 100% Town, and is hard for Scum to fake.

Why can't you fake that?

Because >I< didn't know what ROAMING was. I don't think Scum tend to search for unknown/uncommon modifiers when tailoring their fake claims.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12667595

Not sure if the fake claim here is that uncommon but if you want to save your a** then you have to think out of the box.

[Salsabil Faria]

Exam has finished but brain is stopped working (had total 8 hours of sleep in last 2 days ), will post tomorrow.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 30

Seanzie did not kill another player.

How exactly the mod sent you the night result? The wording in your sentence seems off.

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

i wouldn't lynch nom they anit scum regardless

pushing boxxy is a bad idea move on. im sure you guys can do it.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

It's WIFOM-y, but I don't cyrus puts attention on his scumteam on his way out the door here. Knowing what these posts will look like after he flips, I see him doing a basic play of trying to put attention on some random town players. I'm willing to think these players are town for the time being.

The way he went from

scumleaning

on me (refused continuously to give the reason) to

hard townreading

me before the slip and

ssbm_Kyouko

was killed at night who had strong sus about me and him.... it's a plan to set me up.

I also think that with cyrus drawing the attention he was, scum would bus to build a bit of towncred. That's why I targetted seanzie last night.

But he was 1st to vote

cyrus62

! How scum!him would know that between 24 hours

cyrus62

will be caught?? Plus the interection between him and

cyrus62

seems real to me. I still don't get why do you checked him.

cyrus62 (7): Seanzie, Salsabil Faria, Almost50, nomnomnom, humaneatingmonkey, cyrus62, Dwlee99 | EXECUTED

Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.

Goes from really liking my play

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take?

I've liked boxxy's posting a lot.

I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

To joining the wagon once it had momentum but the content had not changed.

Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.

VOTE: boxxy

Finally he hammers cyrus once it was a foregone conclusion. It just feels a bit too much like trying not to be objectionable and make friends with powertown.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Why didn't you check

Dwlee99

then?

VOTE: boxxy

Seanzie so sus

What do you think about

Seanzie

's interaction with

cyrus62

?

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 31

Still reading obviously but since I'm past the claim and the explanation, checking sus people like Seanzie night 1 is the worst play? Like... Roaming Detective would hold off checking sus people the first few nights period since you can never check them again.

Town would've just not checked anyone to save up. Early checks on early scumreads are a detriment to that role.

I'm failing to see why

Seanzie

is scum + according to

boxxy

,

Dwlee99

is sus to him, then why not check him??

Spoiler:

Official Vote Count 1.01

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elimination

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate a player

Seanzie (3): nomnomnom, Salsabil Faria, cyrus62
T3 (1): boxxy
Almost50 (1): Dwlee99
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (7): T3, Almost50, Rathe, MaxTheFox, Seanzie, ssbm_Kyouko, humaneatingmonkey

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-06-21 12:05:50).

Mod notes: Salsabil Faria is fine to continue using that colour if they wish, this will be rescinded if people begin confusing their communication with mine. As a side-note, the rules have a different shade of teal because I actually used the color picker to make them but for all other situations I just write

and it's a different shade.

Time remaining for last confirmations: (expired on 2021-06-15 18:51:11)

[/area]

Official Vote Count 1.02

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elimination

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate a player

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy
Seanzie (2): Salsabil Faria, T3
Salsabil Faria (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Almost50 (1): Dwlee99
humaneatingmonkey (1): cyrus62
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (4): Rathe, MaxTheFox, humaneatingmonkey, Almost50

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With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate a player

boxxy (3): humaneatingmonkey, nomnomnom, Salsabil Faria
nomnomnom (2): Kerset, boxxy
Salsabil Faria (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Almost50 (1): Dwlee99
Seanzie (1): T3
cyrus62 (1): Seanzie
humaneatingmonkey (1): cyrus62


Not Voting (3): Almost50, Rathe, MaxTheFox,

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boxxy (5): nomnomnom, Salsabil Faria, Dwlee99, T3, cyrus62 | E-2
Salsabil Faria (1): ssbm_Kyouko
cyrus62 (1): Seanzie
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (5): Almost50, Rathe, MaxTheFox, boxxy, humaneatingmonkey

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elimination

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cyrus62 (2): Seanize, Salsabil Faria
Seanzie (1): ssbm_Kyouko
boxxy (1): nomnomnom
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (8): T3, Almost50, Rathe, MaxTheFox, boxxy, humaneatingmonkey, Dwlee99, cyrus62

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cyrus62 (5): Seanzie, Salasbil Faria, Almost50, nomnomnom, humaneatingmonkey | E-2
Seanzie (1): ssbm_Kyouko
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (6): T3, Rathe, MaxTheFox, boxxy, cyrus62, Dwlee99

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cyrus62 (7): Seanzie, Salsabil Faria, Almost50, nomnomnom, humaneatingmonkey, cyrus62, Dwlee99 | EXECUTED
Seanzie (1): ssbm_Kyouko
nomnomnom (1): Kerset

Not Voting (4): T3, Rathe, MaxTheFox, boxxy

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Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.

no but the NKA did

How?

The "meta" is to mix one buddy with 2 townies (dubbed 1 of 3). I would have checked nom if I was you

Why him? He is my strong townread atp.

I thought Cyrus townslipped but I think he just didn't know what to do as scum.

That indicates his scumteam was not there to support him or he lost motivation as scum.

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Exam has finished but brain is stopped working (had total 8 hours of sleep in last 2 days ), will post tomorrow.

At least be thankful we ended the day in time for you to get them 8 hours of sleep.

in 2 days

I thought about nom, but I'm not convinced he bussed cyrus that early day 1. I'm waiting to see what he says today.

Meanwhile, boxxy described nom and I as powertown.

Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.

So if he's really reading the game this way, why would he think about targeting nom and what is he waiting from nom today? the answer is it's all lies.

True.

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

huh

The joys of playing a PR. Everyone has an opinion on what you should have done, but nobody is willing to share them until after the fact.

1- You're assuming I/we

knew

cyrus' flip beforehand.
2- It's not a good idea to announce who you're checking beforehand.

I thought about nom, but I'm not convinced he bussed cyrus that early day 1. I'm waiting to see what he says today.

But you did check Seanzie who basically did the same thing, except he was first to actually vote there (aside from Salsabil's RVS)


Check this out:

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Does this really strike you as a post coming from a scum partner??

VOTE: Cyrus62

And this was as early as Seanzie acted on his scum read

^This.

If you've caught scum, you've caught scum. No need to play around.

VOTE: nom

Why the hesitation monkey? Trying to see if there's a way to get your scumpartner out of this? I actually wouldn't be surprised if monkey/nom are trying to fake powertown.

Leaving me alive last night makes sense, if they felt they discredited me pretty strongly during the day they can use me as the mis-elim.

So you're telling scum!them were bussing their another partner on day 1 (a.k.a in 24 hours)???

I'm not sure boxxy meant you

ask him

Why should I? You're the one publicly pushing a narrative, so YOU ask him.

Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.

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Weirder stuff has happened on this site. Plus a kill on me would garuntee his guilty. It's not complicated.

Bambi Jay, who I have zero reasons to trust and have zero rapport with, who targeted the guy who had pushed cyrus earliest in the game when there was a lot of alternatives.

vs

Nom, the guy who had pushed cyrus earliest in the game.

I've considered it and I don't buy it. Give me a reason to buy it.

And should I trust a guy still pushing another PR? Not on day 2 at all.

Give us a strong case on Town Nom then.

Your guilty is true or not??

well you can just hardclaim this guilty, if you want to be taken seriously

Well if I do that I die tonight. If I don't do that I don't get taken seriously at all and can still find the other scum. And when I die you'll know I was right anyway.

Win-Win for me to just soft guilty without extra context.

I don't understand what you're trying to as

self-claimed

tpr.

My death helps town. Me living helps town. You trusting me or not helps town via your reads on me.

I don't need a doc at all cuz either way I help town.

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Either way I think the play is nom today and if he flips town then bambi tomorrow.

The only alternative is if nom claims miller, I'll have to think if I'd believe such a claim.

Why not

Bambi Jay

first? I don't understand what she claimed in the 1st place.

Why would I do that as scum?

To save your team? Scum!you weren't there on day 1, the original scum team played wrong, cost you one team member + one wrong nk I suppose. For the win, scum!you need to eliminate strong player first.

If bambi doesn't want to openclaim then there is a reason behind it. Digging it, only favors scum as they learn more about the thing they shouldn't.

But you're talking about blind trust here.... how do you know scum!her isn't screwing with us?

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

Like why a tpr will act like this when the person she got guilty on is townreaded by many players.

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

I think ik what bambi is but Iwon't say it.VOTE: nomnomnom

Ok fine.... but how do you know it's true?
Another thing, what are your reads?

Definitely TOWN

:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay

Scummy

:
humaneatingmonkey

SCUM

:
nomnomnom


I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.

Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio. T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y. Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)?? Who finally gave up and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.

VOTE: 3 noms

WTF! I don't know what you guys are seeing but I'm clearly not. Iirc,

nomnomnom

was having

cyrus62

as his 2nd scumread while wanted to eliminate

boxxy

(his 1st scumread) but no one was willing to eliminate

boxxy

, so he went for this 2nd scumread?
Plus, why

boxxy

is cleared to you? If I ignore the fact that scum let alive a tpr but his night choice is still questionable.

What is even happening this game? I'm so lost

Hi5!!

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Almost, what Monkey does he got? He's avoiding the question and won't play with me even though he's a "troll" player.

I am letting him play it all out until he hangs himself with his own tail.

FTR, ISO me vs him. See my reaction to his entrance. I may have lightened up a little since, but it doesn't mean I have him as a "clear".

BTW, my Full read list looks like this:

Definitely TOWN

:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay

Possibly Town

(have some reservations/paranoia):
Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria

Null:

T3, MaxTheFox

Scummy

:
humaneatingmonkey

SCUM

:
nomnomnom


I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.

Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio.

T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y.

Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)??

Who

finally gave up

and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.

VOTE: 3 noms

It seems like your whole worldview is premised on the idea that Boxxy is town. Why do you think that? I think that is a very dubious assumption.

You think Cyrus pushed Boxxy with any sort of seriousness? Can you please provide evidence for this?

Actually, it was me pushing HEM, not HEM pushing me. And after going back and forth with HEM, I felt good about hem. While there were some issues with how his original case was presented, he was able to further explain and his case on Boxxy had depth, and pointed out some things that IMO very likely point to Scum!Boxxy.

Please tell me about HEM and Cyrus's interactions. I'd like to see how you are coming to the conclusion that they are likely teamed.

Finally gave up? What exactly were they giving up? If you think the team is Cyrus/Nom/HEM, then that is 3 out of the 7 votes on Cyrus, so Cyrus wouldn't have been in immediate danger, so I don't see how you could be concluding that the team just gave up on saving Cyrus.

^This.

VOTE: nomnomnom

if nomnom flips town, we lynch bambi jay and boxxy.

Why are you giving up your top townread?

VOTE: HEM

>I< have a guilty on this. Bambi was just playing -as she always does- but she overdid it. Like, if she had a guilty ("Can Kill") she couldn't possibly have thought she could actually catch the "other scum" because that other scum must have already killed (since we did catch the 3rd on D1). I dunno how any of you would take that seriously with that kind of slip.

Letting it play makes me think nom may still be "bad town" here, because HEM's 856 says both Bambi & Boxxy are TOWN.

You gotta be kidding me

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I softed Psychiatrist on D1

If I was a designer I'd compliment the "Roaming Detective" with a "Novice Psychiatrist" and then toss in a 1-shot Vig to mess with them both.

and started D2 soft-pushing you

I would have checked nom if I was you

Bambi just wanted me to stay alive, and didn't realize I was only allowed ONE guilty since the other Scum already killed. I let it play because it was interesting and it helps to see who goes with and who objects and for what reasons. I was working under the assumption both nom & HEM were scum together, but the reactions I got are enough for me to think otherwise. nom is Town

Well, this game is totally messed up to me rn. Answer the questions without trolling please:
1. What your role does?
2. You checked

humaneatingmonkey

and got guilty?
3. What result you got?
4.

boxxy

is cleared because of your role?

UNVOTE: boxxy

I mean my fake guilty was literally just to get scum to kill me to prove it's Nom. I wasn't even gonna push him out. I dug myself too deep and I wasn't going to just admit "yeah I wanted reactions". Almost knows I'm a compulsive liar/claimer so I guess he used me this time without my knowledge cuz I thought he would call me out like he usually does.

Clearly though nobody trusted Nom that much if a random came in and just said they were guilty. Clearly T3 and Almost had scumreads there already.

I will say him having an actual guilty was funny and almost (heh) wish I said my guilty was on Monkey instead.

"

I mean my fake guilty was literally just to get scum to kill me to prove it's Nom.

" : this doesn't necessarily mean

nomnomnom

will be confirmed scum.... what were you thinking?? Scum still can literally kill you to frame him.

vs Psychologist:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Psychologist
"The Psychologist is an investigative role that determines a player's ability to kill."

Why he can't be town killer though?

I'm not a Serial Killer nor Mafia. And Almost50 is bullshitting.

Well you sure as hell ain't claiming Vigilante. That's my role.

I'm not a Serial Killer nor Mafia. And Almost50 is bullshitting.

Serial Killers aren't even allowed in Mini Normals.

Were you faking too???

You're a novice psychologist?

And how do you know that the modifier is novice??

I'm not even a vig nor do I have the ability to kill anyone.

Say it ain't so!

Alright, alright.. I will also retract my "guilty". As I said, I am NOVICE. I couldn't have acted on N1. DUH!

nevermind

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@Seanzie

: nevermind, got the answer.

scum in {Bambi Jay, boxxy, Almost50}

Don't know, not sure about anything atm.

Almost50

and

Bambi Jay

's play is surely anti-town but why scum!them want to build attention towards them when they are 1 member short in the team and it's only Day 2??

A50 got cold feet, and now won't deliver.

Well, keep pushing me and see for yourself.

Hint: it doesn't even make sense for SCUM!ME to fake any sort of guilty on anyone today. Why? Assuming I am Scum we lost a member on D1 already. Sacrificing myself for a "NOT A PR" slot is simply madness. Like, we are 9-2 as we speak. I mis-lim a townie, kill a townie and then I get Eliminated, leaving my p going into N3 against SEVEN Townies? RC isn't playing in this game (just about the only one I know who could have won it in this situation)

^This.

I'll wait for Max & Salsabil to chime in before I decide which way to go.

Until then..

UNVOTE:

I was so close to voting you for messing up with the game

I shall remind everyone that Boxxy spent the majority of his day yesterday saying I was obvious scum for holding my tell, he claimed an invest role and he hasn't even checked me last night. And he hasn't checked Dwlee either which he opened with a vote on him today.
I refuse to believe he doesn't check me here.

This post has point + I also scumread

boxxy

but if your role actually clears

boxxy

, then I don't know what to do now. Why can't he fake-claim?

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I refuse to believe he doesn't check me here.

+1

Can't argue against this one

Then why

boxxy

is town???

I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.

ssbm_Kyouko

had hard sus about one of me and

cyrus62

.

ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.

But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??

Yes, Boxxxy went for the easy push and ssbm_Kyouko questioned Boxxxy about it, which looks good for ssbm_Kyouko.

I don't think

Seanzie

is scum here.

So I'll say this beforehand: another reason why i think there could be scum in Sean/Salsabil is because I know for a fact that scum!cyrus actually has a tendency to hard distance with his partners and initiate a lot of discussions with them.
That was his defining trait in a game where he was eliminated day 1 for being very obviously scum.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11165856
He has talked A LOT that way to sean and salsabil so this makes me think that these two slots could be scum. Potentially both of them. This is not something to ignore, I tend to have a strong meta on Cyrus.
I have to remind town that the first reason I suspected Cyrus is because of this weird interaction with Sean

Dwlee99 is more null then town to me.
predit means they went to post but then got stoped half way though

predit. sean wanted reads super badly so im throwing out there and will change them as i see fit.

The change of read from him on Sean was also very weird, you might chalk it to "scums pretend and it doesn't mean anything about sean" but Cyrus has a meta where he tends to distance hardcore early on and it fits that narrative.
So I think perhaps we should lynch in Sean and Salsabil. I'll do a deep dive of Salsabil because I have Sean's posts a bit fresher in my mind.
pedit: Possibly, but I think NKA could also be much simpler than that. It's WIFOM but my intuition tells me kyouko was not killed because of a PR threat.

If I were scum,

ssbm_Kyouko

would not be the nk. Since my playstyle is scummy un default as any alignment, I usually don't take unnecessary attention as scum. Also, I usually kill among the players who townread me, it messes with people's brains and gives me more time. I think he was to frame another town player, in this case, me or

Seanzie

(but I think it's me, considering how

cyrus62

strongly believed

I am town before the flip).
Another thing, if I were scum,

cyrus62

wouldn't play like this.

[Salsabil Faria]

Psge 39

Idk why the link didn't work, but clearly I want you to respond to my questions in Post #852.

Too much effort for no gain at all, unless you missed that I changed my mind already

VOTE: Almost50

Idc if you've changed your mind. You should explain yourself. Since you seem to not be able to, I feel like the only logical choice here is that you are just scum.

Cool, cool. Might as well give in and let nom take the lead here.

VOTE: Seanzie

I mean as long as it ain't Boxxys I can elim Senzu bean.

VOTE: Seanzie

This is hard but if I need to choose I think Sean must be it.
The biggest tell is that he thought cyrus was scum but never re-addressed that ever after the opening sequence of the thread. And as I said, Cyrus is someone who likes to distance a lot and interact a lot with his partners.
It wouldn't surprise me if these two went on that idea early on. The hardest part about this kind of play is that usually scums can't keep that up and it shows (and it's one of the weaknesses that I noticed when I did a similar play when I was partnered with Vorkuta and we went for an overly dramatic scum theater early game). I just think it makes the most sense.
VOTE: Seanzie

bad vote

Cyrus is a player that likes distancing, Sean is someone that has gone over his playstyle and has described himself as a gambitting player, and I have the deep intuition that Salsabil is someone that likes being smart as scum and it's not outside of the realm of the possible for scum!her to propose the entire scumteam to argue with each other.

If overconfidence has a face

..... this would be me if scum!me literally do that

This is hard but if I need to choose I think Sean must be it.
The biggest tell is that he thought cyrus was scum but never re-addressed that ever after the opening sequence of the thread. And as I said, Cyrus is someone who likes to distance a lot and interact a lot with his partners.
It wouldn't surprise me if these two went on that idea early on. The hardest part about this kind of play is that usually scums can't keep that up and it shows (and it's one of the weaknesses that I noticed when I did a similar play when I was partnered with Vorkuta and we went for an overly dramatic scum theater early game). I just think it makes the most sense.
VOTE: Seanzie

I made Cyrus essentially out himself in my first few posts, then you and HEM destroyed the thread with your Boxxy mindmeld. Throughout that whole process I continued to call Cyrus out, if you were paying attention, and then after Boxxy claimed, HEM was talking to Cyrus, and Cyrus kept just spewing his rolecard all over the thread (I was there for that exchange, and if I was scum with Cyrus, I would have stopped him then and there, because Cyrus' responses were just painful), and so I let HEM do his thing. Then I was afk until y'all hammered, so I dont really see how you can think I wasn't on Cyrus all day.

^This.

"That's not why I'm scum, I bussed my partner so I deserve towncred."

???

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

Like this is the post that gives the most explanation as to why Kyouko was killed.
If Salsabil went into this game with the intent of hard bussing Cyrus, a player that has this kind of read could be a real threat.
I legitimately could see Salsabil being scum here. This aligns with what I would expect out of a player like her rolling scum.
VOTE: Salsabil
Maybe this makes more sense. I've seen some townie posts in Sean's iso, particularly his colored wallposts felt like real town tryharding at the time.

You literally don't know how I play as any alignment, still you're assuming what fits in your bubble instead of having an open eye. I want to know where was

ssbm_Kyouko

's mindset about me and

cyrus62

as he kept mentioning that but didn't say much about it.

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"That's not why I'm scum, I bussed my partner so I deserve towncred."

If you can't see that Cyrus' reaction to me calling him a wolf was genuine, you need to get your eyes check.

See I can't believe that. Cyrus is not that kind of player. He's actually not that bad of an actor and he's legitimately distanced with his

entire team within his first few posts in previous games.

He also reacted ultra weirdly to you insisting to ask for reads and it felt so fake that it was at that point I started pushing him, and it wouldn't actually surprise me this could have been something scum!you would have planned out with him in a scum pt.

But it's not a solo player scum team! If I and

Seanzie

were scum with

cyrus62

, then definitely we stopped him before he caused more damage. Like you said I play smart as scum, then how it was smart (while being on active) letting my teammate play like that?

By the way I actually hope in the back of my head that my wild theory about these 3 being scums together is real because that would mean this post is pretty funny

ftr I still think that there might be scum in the Sean/Salsabil/Cyrus trio, those interactions have a hint of "blunder" to them if that makes sense

You're hard tnneling.

I won't be doing any ISOing today. Remind me tomorrow

But totally off the top of my mind, Seanzie should have done the kill if he was Scum, because he was first to SR cyrus and first to put a serious vote on him.

Like, I think we should look for someone who was quite unlikely to be checked by the Detective to have carried out last night's kill, and then try to ISO them against cyrus

Why do you think Boxxy is town?

Counter question: How many PRs do you think Town has?

Also here's a hint: Did you know Open Setups that allow Mafia to pick their own roles/modifications start with 2 TPRs and then one more for each Scum PR selected? Example: Stack The Deck. Also if Scum are allowed to pick TOWN powers then Town starts with THREE TPRs vs 3 Goons. Example: Pick Your Poison

Now please keep that in mind when you try to guess how many PRs this Town has.

In normal set-up, is that possible?

Salsabil Faria
boxxy
Almost50

The way Boxxy answered to people thinking that targeting Sean n1 was a horrible play is also weird. You'd think someone who is a PR and is told their target is a horrible choice would give a reasoning as to why they targeted Sean here. But that's not how he answered the question at all, and he actually still hasn't addressed that.
A likely explanation for this move is that scums could know Sean's role through a PR and whatnot, and claim something that is easily confirmed by town!sean.
The answer is in Sean/Salsabil/Boxxy. I am 100% convinced of this. To me it's a matter of where the scum is more likely to be, and where we gain the more information.

You'll stop chewing when see my flip

Eh, I'm going to sleep/offline now, and I'll read more when I wake up. But yeah this day turned out well. I lied and got it out of my system this game so now I can focus on solving.

he has done so little that I also couldn't really make a case that he is scum, but everyone below him I can point to specific things that make them >rand!scum.

What specific things about me?

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Attention: I need someone to translate between me and Seanzie. This job is voluntary and with no pay. Applicants will be interviewed the next time I login

Seanzie isn't giving me the same vibe as newbie 2063.

What is your read on him and on other people?

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I just read through Salsabil's ISO, and came out feeling a lot less confident about my scumread. Early D1, they did a few things that really pinged me, but now looking back, it looks like were thinking critically around the Boxxy wagon, and their pushes on Cyrus look good. Apparently they distance a lot as scum, so I'm going to take their Cyrus interactions with a grain of salt. There was one post that caught my eye that kind of looked like a slip, but given the language barrier, I'm loathe to read into it. If it wasn't a slip, it was actually a pretty reasonable post that seemed to wanted to sort ssbm. Kerset made a good point though that Salsabil seemed to be asking a lot of questions without much followup.

So, I'm moving Salsabil out of my immediate PoE, into my upper PoE.

1.Mention the post please which you think is a scum-slip from me.

2.

Kerset

is not right about me, I'm following up.

3.''

it looks like were thinking critically around the Boxxy wagon

'': Can you explain more?

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I read through most people's ISOS to help me sort them, and this is what I came up with:

humaneatingmonkey

Kerset
nomnomnom

Dwlee99

Bambi Jay

MaxTheFox
T3
Salsabil Faria

boxxy
Almost50

Seanzie

I suppose it goes by strong townread, less strong townread, townlean, null, scumread, you?

or one of them is scum and pocketed the other.

Who do you think is the town between them?

I'm thinking we elim Salsabil now to see alignment, then elim boxxy Day 3 if Salsabil is town, then elim A50 Day 4 if boxxy is scum.

I'm ok with that.

In post 767, Kerset wrote:
In post 764, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.

no but the NKA did

How

Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly

He suspected me too.

What is this with someone's role clearing boxxy?

Game mechanics.

Another thing, if I were scum, cyrus62 wouldn't play like this.

Explain?

Scum!me would have stopped him from doing damage for my scumteam.

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Cyrus felt the pressure. That could throw off his usual game.

Yeah that can be true.... which makes me wonder, why the other 2 scums didn't do anything about it.

See the thing about salsabil is that her defending Sean here, despite the reason being bad,

Which reason of mine you think is bad?

If I can establish a TvS relationship with Salsabil and boxxy, I might go with Salsabil. Otherwise, I'm very happy with a boxxy elimination.

Did you mean you choose to eliminate me over

boxxy

here? If so then show me your thought process behind it please.

Cyrus is a force of nature. That's the answer

Don't get it.

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Okay what the fuck

What is your question??

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

Sure!

VOTE: cyrus62

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

there we go. so whos up for a wild game. or do you prefer a slow burn?

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

If this is the team it would have to masterful scum theater. Don't find this likely at all as the solve.

Lol! It's not even theatrical.

Why not Dwlee? That's not hard theater at all. It's not even theatrical.

Mind melding

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 45

I would never do something this ballsy, so I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of other people doing it.

The most important thing in a game of mafia is to establish what kind of scum players people would be if these people rolled scum.
Sean and Salsabil? I would totally see them doing this kind of stuff. They're the types of scum players who like refuge in audacity and stuff like that. I know this. They just scream they're that type of player to me

If over confidence has a face!

Spoiler:

This time it's about you

What is being suggested though is that at the beginning of the game, scum!Sean immediately pushed Cyrus, and then Salsa and Cyrus counter bussed him, and the day culminated in Cyrus getting hard bussed by both Sean and Salsa. Calling each of the scum buddies scum to start the game just seems like way more attention than scum should want.

Which I'll never do as scum.

Well I guess I'll make it clear I townread Box and won't vote him (unlike SOME people) today at all. If we actually listen to Nom and Monkey and co, and elim one of our PRs and scum shoot Almost so we lose both our investigatives, I'm gunning for the man eating Monkey.

It's a good point though I'm thinking about

boxxy

tbh but who do you want to flip then?

salsa use spoiler tags, you spam the thread

Wall posting is one of my things.

Spoiler: Have it or Leave it

[Salsabil Faria]

READ-LIST

Townread:
Seanzie
humaneatingmonkey
nomnomnom

Townlean:
Almost50

Null:
T3
Bambi Jay
MaxTheFox
Kerset
Dwlee99

Scumread:
boxxy

Well I guess I'll make it clear I townread Box and won't vote him (unlike SOME people) today at all. If we actually listen to Nom and Monkey and co, and elim one of our PRs and scum shoot Almost so we lose both our investigatives, I'm gunning for the man eating Monkey.

I want to vote

boxxy

but this post makes me to think again, so I'll not touch him atm or any of my townreads and townlean.

[Salsabil Faria]

But Sean and Salsa have more dodgy reads towards boxxy and it feels like real opportunism.

I don't remember having any dodgy reads towards him.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa can finally be ready to interact in real-time. Woohoo.

Lol yeah feeling good
What do you want to talk about?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa can finally be ready to interact in real-time. Woohoo.

maybe even after 666 questions he will give us a read on something

If you can't show respect about my game/posting style, feel free not to bother me. Thank you

[Salsabil Faria]

I want to vote boxxy but this post makes me to think again, so I'll not touch him atm or any of my townreads and townlean.

And that leaves you with who to vote?

who is more scummy in my null group.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil I have a townread on because she seems like she genuinely is hunting / caught scum!Cyrus and I'm not voting there today l.

Normally I would agree, but you have to keep in mind that if boxxy is town, then Salsabil also took the immediate opportunity to vote there with me and HEM. It's not as clear as "it seems she caught cyrus organically".

Immediately? Hmm...

Spoiler:

anti-town

Seanzie is not fake helpful, he's just the synonym of frantic (wink wink). They usually have 2-serious-2-soon openings that are meant to be funny in an ironic way or provocative that those unfamiliar would react to them. Right, Seanzie? Confirm if I'm right.

anti-town fart noises

*noises*

strongest scumreads cyrus and boxxy. seanzie depends on whether or not he's full of life, spirit, energy, or movement

one game related content

everyone else is out of my radar

anti-town fart noises

Seanzie answer me senpai

seems legit

anti-town fart noises

this is just noise preventing us from doing actual scumhunting.

he said, with trumpets and fanfare

Seanzie answer me senpai

Answer you about what?

are you excited frenzied heated fervid agitated overwrought

Hectic, Seanzie. Are you Hectic?

bdsm_ultimate_detective

i laughed out loud

anti-town fart noises

*more noises*

VOTE: boxxy

lean on this

> Seanzie is dishonest
> votes nomnomnom for "anti-town behavior"

two game related contents

>monkey is anti-town and should be lynched
>hahaha i was just saying that just in case!

hahahahahahaha you thought i thought he thought that you thought i thought he thought hahahahahaha im not scum obviously XD XD XD

*a few more noises*

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

He started to post actual content and not just troll posts.

I think you changed your mind to avoid the pressure which is scummy imo.

UNVOTE: Seanzie

VOTE: boxxy

[Salsabil Faria]

boxxy and A50 are such obvious town I would rather be limmed to save them.

You're in my null list, so thanks for the permission to eliminate you

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing that indicates scum!sean is how he acted in the midst of Bambi's and A50's early day play of today.
This is the only post he posted during this whole interaction:

You're a novice psychologist?

This reeks of scum who does not know what's going on and prefers not to get involved in the discussion. From my POV, Bambi brought up a guilty on me at the time and I knew it wasn't true, so a real scum player would know it's not true as well and would want to wait what the hell is actually going on.

You're stretching too much atp.

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok.... whatever you say!

[Salsabil Faria]

Gonna take a break...

[Salsabil Faria]

Kerset, cyrus62, Seanzie

8, 44, 135, 650: if

Kerset

is scum here, do these 2 posts fit in the

scum's distance tactic

thing? + I can see now what

nomnomnom

said in 134. I want to inform another thing also, the way

cyrus62

played, the other scums would have stopped him. But it didn't happen which makes me wonder 2 things:
1. They were not online at that moment, even if they did, most probably it was too late because of the way

cyrus62

played before the elimination, and after being close into the elimination, he put doubts in other players mind about me/Seanzie (and has been successful about it so far), my gut feeling is saying at least one scum of his team told him to do this while they couldn't prevent the elimination.

Kerset

fits in this narrative of mine.

2. They are new/didn't (or don't) know what to do in this situation, so choose larking. This narrative is for all the lurkers here.

622, 623, 626, 635: I know

boxxy

isn't cleared yet but now I think he is town who is not experienced enough that explains the awkward night choice imo. If so, scum!

Kerset

was trying to build suspicion around town!

boxxy

here while standing in distance.

Why I think scum!

Kerset

is keeping distance here beacuse of these posts: 660, 663, 678, 687, 720. When

cyrus62

's wagon was building up fast + there was no chance to save him, scum!

Kerset

was trying to divert the attention towards me here which he continued in Day 2 also (see

cyrus62

's 724 and the timing). He didn't even say anything about

cyrus62

's wagon. I notice another point while reading the ISOs, he never voted

cyrus62

but made this post: 729 to him.

969, 722: here he tried shading

humaneatingmonkey

or trying to look town solvy.

Then he started Day 2 by saying

Seanzie

is so sus in 749. Then again, he went for a town!PR (

boxxy

) in 756. Then kept flipflopping between

Seanzie

and

boxxy

while shading.

817 and 840 contradicts each other, like scum!him wanted to out another TPR subtly.

1052, 1054: more

trying to look town solvy

posts.

In one of my wall posts, I asked him what did he think about the interaction between

cyrus62

and

Seanzie

, he replied this: 1055 which pinged me cause to me, their interactions seemed the different-align type.

1061, 1062, 1119, 1121, 1124, 1130, 1131, 1132, 1136, 1141, 1164, 1168: the more I read, more I find scum motivation rather than town motivation.

VOTE: Kerset

[Salsabil Faria]

nomnomnom has been killed! They were a...

Spoiler: Flip

Town Universal Backup (turned Combined Hider Bodyguard)

@Mod

, can you clarify this role? Don't get it.

[Salsabil Faria]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

[Salsabil Faria]

You are trying to match my post in to scum tactic rather then finding scum agenda from my posts.
BTW votes in increased sizes don't count twice.

Nah! it was scum agenda to me.
I only increase the size of the vote in wall posts, normally I use regular size to vote.

[Salsabil Faria]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

[Salsabil Faria]

Now you start to ignore me

[Salsabil Faria]

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I played with him before, he was a town and exactly played like this. Not sure if it's an AI think for him as I don't know his scum meta.

[Salsabil Faria]

Now you start to ignore me

+ voted 'easy push' wagon

[Salsabil Faria]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

First question is stupid
2. I had no intention to end that day so early and he got enough votes at the time

1. No it's not
2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

[Salsabil Faria]

Now you start to ignore me

+ voted 'easy push' wagon

With tools, which call everything i do scummy, you will get nowhere.

You're not cooperating with me, if you're not scum then give me solid reasons to believe you.

[Salsabil Faria]

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

Mocking me will not do you any good in this situation. And I actually asked, but you're very busy with dodging and mocking, so you missed the question.

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or

didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Almost50
I don't believe the claim anymore. Universal backup + what is pretty much bulletproof bodyguard + psychologist + detective is too much. I believe Boxxy's claim because it came before a50's, but I just got burned by scum fake claiming power roles that seemed to fit into the setup but didn't.

I kind of not sure about that, not good at game mechanics..... but if

boxxy

is really a tpr, then why can't we have 2 investigations roles?+ he needs to provide his night action today +

boxxy

's night action.

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing, why

Almost50

is still alive with claiming an investigation role but

nomnomnom

was killed without claiming + crumbling anything??

@Almost50

.... this is for you mainly.

[Salsabil Faria]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

In this case

humaneatingmonkey

maybe but can't be sure because I didn't see any crumb or don't realize it.

[Salsabil Faria]

We're losing people like flies. And we lost our Protective and appearantly our second protection.

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

Eliming the person who ruthlessly hammered just before I unvoted is my plan today. Who fucking hammers a PR claim with 6 days left?

I don't think (yet)

HumanEatingMonkey

is scum for that.

[Salsabil Faria]

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

Mocking me will not do you any good in this situation. And I actually asked, but you're very busy with dodging and mocking, so you missed the question.

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or

didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

If i didn't talk about then i had no need to do so atm. What do you expect to hear here? If you wanted me to say about it then you should have asked.
I fail to see your good faith in those questions, if you give me 3 accusations (weak push, ignoring you, dodge), while question over trivial things.

Lolol! You're acting like

cyrus62

now
Btw, I

did

ask you, even bolded and underlined for you later, still no answer but clear dodging which is making my case against you.

[Salsabil Faria]

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

Mocking me will not do you any good in this situation. And I actually asked, but you're very busy with dodging and mocking, so you missed the question.

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or

didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

If i didn't talk about then i had no need to do so atm. What do you expect to hear here? If you wanted me to say about it then you should have asked.
I fail to see your good faith in those questions, if you give me 3 accusations (weak push, ignoring you, dodge), while question over trivial things.

Lolol! You're acting like

cyrus62

now
Btw, I

did

ask you, even bolded and underlined for you later, still no answer but clear dodging which is making my case strong against you.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

We're losing people like flies. And we lost our Protective and appearantly our second protection.

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

Eliming the person who ruthlessly hammered just before I unvoted is my plan today. Who fucking hammers a PR claim with 6 days left?

It might just be refuge in audacity but I don't think that is what is happening here. A50's vote on Sean looks sus af too after he spent all of day one calling Sean his #1 townread.

I need to check this, don't remember.

[Salsabil Faria]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

He didn't even have a chance to crumb since he would've just gotten to role of BG unexpectedly. Though we can probably assume they either shot someone he townread or he protected on of the invest claims. Probably Box if anything.

Oh yeah, after the death of an original tpr role.... My gut feeling says it's

HumanEatingMonkey

who he protected.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not

boxxy

, he wanted to eliminate him so bad...

[Salsabil Faria]

Well him and Monkey clearly didn't like Almost either. I think Nom atleast would have enough sense to protect the more likely investigative, Kers.

Don't turn this on Box. I swear to God if you guys elim him and he flips true I'll cry and hound you until endgame.

If that's true, then he protected

boxxy

or

Almost50

, so they are not SvS.
But I don't want to rely on this, you can't predict what the other person actually did with their night choice, so it's useless atp. Town should focus on day play.

[Salsabil Faria]

My last reply to you

If i didn't talk about then i had no need to do so atm.

This is the answer on why i didn't talk about 'cyrus wagon formation'.
.the end

Keep dodging.

[Salsabil Faria]

Sigh. Well I know convincing Salsa is pointless.

Beg your pardon??? You want me to convince something that you yourself are not sure about. That's why I think we should focus on day play, not on post-flip assumptions.

[Salsabil Faria]

Sigh. Well I know convincing Salsa is pointless.

Beg your pardon??? You want me to convince something that you yourself are not sure about. That's why I think we should focus on day play, not on post-flip assumptions.

Oh I'm sure. But my words don't convey what I want for you in particular to understand.

And how is Monkey even townie at all then? Antagonizing the PR all GameDay 1? Ready to do it day 2 as well but failed because me and Almost took preemptive action? Show me what he's done to be trusted enough he can't be townie after quick hammering our Bodyguard AFTER they claimed. Why is that not a scum move in your eyes?

I can understand where you are coming from, but

quickhammer

is not always a scum thing +

nomnomnom

also did the same things you mentioned, if he was still alive then I had suspicions about him. But one point which can be true for scum!

humaneatingmonkey

is, he kept parroting town

nomnomnom

and took him in a deep pocket. I need to check his iso for Day 1 to be sure again.

[Salsabil Faria]

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

Do you remember how

cyrus62

was hard ignoring me? I'm getting the same vibe from

Kerset

here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't think anyone is really taking Salsa's case on him seriously so not really.

It's not that the case isn't serious, it's that I don't find it convincing.

Yet you didn't say anything about it before

boxxy

asked.

[Salsabil Faria]

I typed all this thinking I had something but now I forget what my point was...

It happens to me too

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, I appreciated the case and it helped me get a better read on you. But what exactly are you accusing of Kerset in your case? Because I wasn't seeing the things that you were seeing in the posts that you linked. Maybe you can help me because I don't have a solid read of Kerset. He seems like he's solving the game, but I don't know if he's made any progress because he always seemed so lost without a strong opinion.

Ok I'll, but I'm catching up now so after that I can talk with you. Meantime, see

nomnomnom

's 134 and (if you can) recall how

cyrus62

kept ignoring me all the time based on only I question I asked him,

Kerset

is doing the same.
I obviously can be wrong as I don't know how he plays normally as any alignment, if you think I'm wrong you can tell me because I'm not tunneling here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think it's likely scum targeted a TPR. I also think it's unlikely nom would protect me. Therefore the most likely situation is scum and nom targeted A50.

The other option is scum and nom both targeted some other random player. It's possible but seems less likely.

Yup, I'm thinking that too.

[Salsabil Faria]

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

I got seanzie fo townslip then I had something and forgot to unvote.

Explain please how you

should be

locktown in this scenario.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa has not killed anyone.

@Almost result?

Funny you should ask, cuz I did get a guilty on you.

I wanted to get you off my head for good, cuz everybody was SRing you, so I decided I'd put an end to it with -what I hoped was- a CLEAR, and instead I was given a GUILTY (Positive result = Can kill but has not attempted to).

WTF!! But you said your role makes sense with

boxxy

's!!!!
Tell me what exactly mod said to you, I don't understand the last line.

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing, why

Almost50

is still alive with claiming an investigation role but

nomnomnom

was killed without claiming + crumbling anything??

@Almost50

.... this is for you mainly.

Obviously because I was HARD TOWNREADING boxxy and that's the ONLY slot I could have guiltied. With me defending boxxy and him living long enough to clear his p in a pool of 3 (assuming he lived today) which would put everyone's mind in doubt about WHICH of them 3 is the last Scum. You know..

If I had targeted just about ANYONE else I would have got a clear, which wouldn't really be worth anything because I could have hot the other Scum who has already killed, so I couldn't have told the difference.

The question is why is BOXXY still alive? The one role that

still can

produce a solid guilty. Unless you think nom protected boxxy (whom nom was so gung-ho on eliminating in the first place, and for TWO GAME DAYS RUNNING).

WAIT! That could mean non died protecting me?? If so, I owe them a BIG thanks. In fact, EVERYBODY does. I wouldn't have gotten my result posted if I had been swimming with the fishes already.

One last thing: I did come into the day intending to push Kerset, because of my own

crazy

methods (the 1 scum in first 3 posters rule). I am confident DWlee is TOWN, so it was between non & Kerset, and after yesterday I thought nom was more townie than not. I also applied the "3rd slot on a Town wagon" and -again- Kerset fits the bill. Good thing I did check my PMs before I posted (although in all honesty I think it's still Kerset along with boxxy)

The final straw was boxxy clearing Kerset today. Scum faking an inno on p usually do not have the gut to do it first, but with Seanzie already flipping it give more credence to boxxy's new result

Fine... after fully catching up, I'll do what I want to do.

[Salsabil Faria]

After hammering Seanzie, I realized how much of an irrational move that was. I should have waited for more days, but I got excited. Regardless, I was 100% convinced that he was fakeclaiming and I believed that he was the right elim for the day. It sucks that I'm wrong, but I'm willing to live with that.

No one is willing to take a closer look to any of my cases, which kind of an insult + demotivational

That said, I would like to address A50's guilty. Make no mistake, I went into Day 3 thinking boxxy was still the right elim. But I almost don't believe his guilty. boxxy, or whoever scum would be knowing that A50 is a psychologist, would have been able to use their common sense and kill Night 2 so they can avoid detection rather than wait until they are outted by a guilty. I just... think that's off.

Well, I don't think

nomnomnom

actually wanted to protect

boxxy

but

Almost50

, if this actually happened, then it's obvious that scum and bodyguard went for the same target. But these types of post-flip assumptions will make no good for the town but scum, we should focus on day play.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think Nom atleast would have enough sense to protect the more likely investigative, Kers.

Wait a bloody second! Kerset claimed?? Where/when did that happen?

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

Really?? Shading the person you just cleared??????

Are you slipping intentionally??

[Salsabil Faria]

But still. A Roaming Detective and a Novice Psychologist feels like an actual viable PR pair on paper. How was boxxy able to come up with a fakeclaim so fitting to an existing PR? Maybe they're informed about a novice psychologist role. Maybe maybe.

My head is already spinning! I hate mechanism discussion for that

[Salsabil Faria]

Anyway, we're not in MYLO. If this was fake guilty, we can still go after A50. Otherwise, I've resolved all my hesitations. VOTE: boxxy

Think again. Like, what if it's a fake guilty from a monkey?? You'd be executing a TPR and then losing a townie overnight, and then executing the other TPR (that's be me) and then lose another townie at night, and you would be in a 3-2 EyLo already. Wouldn't you??

Let me give you a tip on how to go from here: You use the fact that I didn't even vote my own guilty against me. You push for my lim (and believe me you would have had support from most townies). Then you shoot boxxy at night.

VOTE: HEM

@DWlee: Does this answer your question in 1284??

You found

guilty

on

boxxy

but voted

humaneatingmonkey

???

[Salsabil Faria]

What's true is I do believe nom died protecting me (and I feel grateful for it).

Other than that, I checked HEM and got a clear (reminder: my clears are NOT AT ALL clears, and HEM himself outlined why that is).

I believe the plan was to kill me then use my outlined logic (about boxxy being still alive) to push him today. boxxy is still is dangerous for scum to keep alive any longer.

Also true: I don't even remember Kerset having claimed anything, and I can't find it. Did Bambi mean boxxy in VOTE: 1242 or am I going blind?

Well, what your role card actually says Sir?

Kerset

didn't claim anything, there was a conversation going on about nk/flip iirr,

Bambi Jay

addressed something to

Kerset

.... re-read again, not gonna do it for you after confusing the hell out of me rn

[Salsabil Faria]

Even more proof the cannibal is opportunistic. Ready to kill the Detective (The USEFUL PR) based off of Almost. That wasn't even a good lie he did this time.

Honestly the only clear we got is his clear today since scum probably did believe Almost's probable lie of being a PR.

Another thing I want your opinion about.... scum!

humaneatingmonkey

couldn't save his partner on Day 1 despite hard pushing TPR!

boxxy

... but scum!him again used this tactic on Day 2 which gathered everyone's attention towards him. Why scum!him will do this when the mafia team is already 1 member short?

[Salsabil Faria]

He wouldn't. That's who he is. He most likely isn't even a PR. Just a VT that tried to bait the shot like I tried with Nom. He claimed a useless PR role so people don't bother him about it. I've done that before too.

He genuinely might've taken the NK last night and was saved by Nom, but he's just a VT. Our actual PR is still in hiding, so don't bother with his claim.

Well, the fourth PR.

Too much TMI

Bambi

, too much TMI! Now that I realized, you also didn't give a damn about my

Kerset

case, straight went for

humaneatingmonkey

...... hm hm hmmmmm.....

[Salsabil Faria]

No one is willing to take a closer look to any of my cases, which kind of an insult + demotivational

Thank you for saying this because now I'm confident that you're town.

No funny pocketing business

monkey

[Salsabil Faria]

You didn't kill Nom on purpose. His role literally means he had to die protecting someone.

And how do you know that?

[Salsabil Faria]

so it's either scum went straight for nomnomnom

Bodyguard has bulletproof vest if, so if scum straight targeted

nomnomnom

, there would be no nk.

[Salsabil Faria]

so it's either scum went straight for nomnomnom

Bodyguard has bulletproof vest ig, so if scum straight targeted

nomnomnom

, there would be no nk.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

You and Salsa are both making the mistake of assuming I'm even caring about the NK when it comes to my scumread of Monkey.

I never said that! + I'm keeping an open mind while you already decide you

can't convince me

don't know for what reason!
On the other hand, I kept telling

Seanzie

wasn't scum here but nobody willing to listen, including you

[Salsabil Faria]

@HEM who would you kill as scum last night then

There's no way a50 AND boxxy are evil unless we have missing power roles. Do we want to mass claim?

As I said, these 2 are not SvS.
I'm not sure about mass-claim yet.

[Salsabil Faria]

They could've shot my slot to give no information,

Don't get it.

[Salsabil Faria]

^Nevermind

[Salsabil Faria]

What part? Not shooting me?

I would've shot my slot personally as scum. Killing a lurker slot gives nothin away. But I know for sure if Almost is scum he wouldn't kill me cuz it's more with me alive and vice versa. Use that info how you will.

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

And you don't realize the purpose yet?

ssbm_Kyouko

was strongly suspecting me and

Seanzie

, scums didn't know if any of us a tpr.... they created a trap to eliminate town and got lucky as

Seanzie

was a town and a pr. On night 2, they went for another town (a tpr maybe), get our bodyguard instead, another lucky win.

[Salsabil Faria]

Course he could also take a chance on a random but as certain as he way my bet is he tries to hide behind me. But we might be descending down a WIFOM rabbit hole analyzing this.

A massclaim here might be okay.

Well, I asked the mod about the combined hider bodyguard role, not sure if I can directly share this here.

@Mod

, can I?

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh, and T3 I have a townread on.

Why?

[Salsabil Faria]

If we all say the 3 people we want the most gone out of us 9,

Like for me it would be
HEM
Salsa
Dwlee

That's why I lost motivation during the game

VT

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not a Serial Killer nor Mafia. And Almost50 is bullshitting.

Well you sure as hell ain't claiming

1-shot

Vigilante. That's my role.

Fun times.

Edit: that's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists.

So you really are a 1-shot vigilante???

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsabil why do you constantly use cyan text?

I use different colors in different games, why?

[Salsabil Faria]

I dunno..

Kerset
Foxy
Salsabil??

Well I'm not too sure about Salsabil. She's been more away than actually playing, but I also think that is a scum trait of hers. I don't want to accuse her of using IRL as a tctical reason to hide though, so I got mixed feelings here.

I have 184 posts so far and my time difference is UTC+6.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think/know Almost is fake from personal experience with him. I don't know about his Alts but he plays a certain way and recruits me to help when I'm available. I oblige usually but he's already lied twice for ya so he's had his fun.

I don't doubt the one investigative that's probably legit unless Salsa counterclaims. Because I'm not falling for Almost fake claiming like he never falls for me doing it.

You're TMIing hard with

boxxy

and

Almost50

's role which is definitely a scum thing to do because you claimed 1-shot vigilante, which doesn't give you anything to blindly trust

boxxy

but not trust

Almost50

at all.

UNVOTE: Kerset

VOTE: Bambi Jay

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing,

MaxTheFox

also didn't claim that point, why did you take my name only for counter-claim?

[Salsabil Faria]

If you don't wanna believe my vigi claim yeah.

It's not a straight forward answer I accept from a

town pr

who

are agreeing with the mass-claim

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Seanzie just played it wrong and got killed first. He probably should've been baiting the night kill instead.

Seanzie

didn't play it wrong, you're scum who is using too much TMI.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa can you read everything before you do certain things. Like half of your posts are answered by continuing to read.

Then ignore it.... I'm comfortable this way or with wall-posting which I also get objection for.

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing,

MaxTheFox

also didn't claim that point, why did you take my name only for counter-claim?

Is this aimed at me?

No, to

Bambi Jay

.

[Salsabil Faria]

Maybe it's Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox

Vote her, at least trust me on this one thing please.... this is for the rest of the town also.

[Salsabil Faria]

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

You're hurting town from your playstyle here.... it's my opinion obviously.

[Salsabil Faria]

My net is troubling, not sure how long it'll take to solve today.

[Salsabil Faria]

A50, Salsabil, and MaxTheFox.

[Salsabil Faria]

I will admit, I am having difficulties reading and following the game. Not enough that I want to replace so I am trying.

On a side note, it happened to me when I was new, still happens in some game. Don't be so hard on yourself, it's a game after all

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsabil why do you constantly use cyan text?

I use different colors in different games, why?

It's slightly hard to read on the theme I use but it's fine.

I'm using mafBlack, you can try the theme or I have use another color then

[Salsabil Faria]

Maybe it's Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox

Vote her, at least trust me on this one thing please.... this is for the rest of the town also.

How about you explain your read on me?

also not aimed at you

[Salsabil Faria]

But since you claimed VT I assume this is your standard.

Don't know why I don't like your tone here.


Btw, you guys have to excuse me today, posting is quite difficult with slow internet.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not feeling motivated for anything atm due to some hard stuffs irl, I don't want to do detailed posts or give arguments about anything rn, not feeling it tbh. I do complete the catch-ups and decide to go with my gut again.

UNVOTE: Bambi Jay

VOTE: Almost50

MaxTheFox

can be scum if one of (or both)

Almost50

and

Bambi Jay

will flip town. Same goes for

Kerset

,

Dwlee99

,

humaneatingmonkey

and

T3

.