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[MaxTheFox]

Didn't realize this started until today, woops.

Anyways, hello everyone! I am semi-new but I played one game already (I was scum there) and read a bunch of games before. The game in question: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

[MaxTheFox]

Reading the thread after I finish being busy (TOS).

[MaxTheFox]

Also feels like a lot of iioa throughout, and an unusual fixation on getting a sense of where everyone's townreads are, which could be nai but here feels more like trying to map the topography and get a strategic push in at a later time

This is about you Sean

What does iioa mean?

The other point is fair. Ftr it is more that I am much more of a scumreader than a townreader, and am actively working on my towncore-game.

Information instead of analysis. Basically recapping the game without sharing thoughts.

[MaxTheFox]

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

[MaxTheFox]

Let's not vote PR claims day 1.

[MaxTheFox]

The risk is too big.

[MaxTheFox]

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

[MaxTheFox]

The risk is too big.

Maybe because in my first game someone hinted at PR and town hung them and was on the verge of losing all game.

[MaxTheFox]

I'd also like to refer to this thread
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Consider: another weak incest like, IDK, a voyeur or something. Wouldn't that be balanced then?

[MaxTheFox]

Invest...

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And I will be entirely honest. I didn't play with any of you except ssbm and T3.

Invest...

You have the horniest autocorrect ever LMAO

More like horniest keyboard. One time the s key didn't register the press, the other my finger slipped.

[MaxTheFox]

i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

"Mafia" is more suitable on MAFIAscum, I agree. However, the game was originally called Wolf (I think) and many other sites use the term Wolf instead of Mafia/Scum. (I personally dislike the name Wolf because -to me- it's a different alignment than Mafia, but that's just me.)

Actually it

was

Mafia originally and still is in some countries (it's a Russian game) but it is more popular in America as "Werewolf".

[MaxTheFox]

Roaming Rolecop wouldn't makesense. Also I just looked atthe wiki and ddetective is always town.

Just because someone claims a role doesn't mean they are that role. Any goon can claim any cop-like role without much trouble, right?

[MaxTheFox]

If I was scum who had to claim D1 I'd look at the wiki before making a fake claim, to be honest. Something obscure but believable.

Now this is NAI because obscure roles automatically being scum is a dumb idea.

[MaxTheFox]

Well shit guess I was wrong about TR.

I think we should look for anyone bussing on the wagon on Cyrus before he died.

[MaxTheFox]

Finally caught up and wondering what even are these posts.

VOTE: cyrus62 this talk is getting us no where . when i flip town check monkey. ps i just cant keep up right now.

Like... What gambit even is this? Voting yourself as a gambit only works in later days, day 1 a policy elim is still on the table. This sounds more like you'd clear the person your targetting if you flip evil. Speaking of flip...

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.

Or that's what he wants you to think.

[MaxTheFox]

I want to let boxxy live but his recent posts kinda reek of scum.

[MaxTheFox]

So I'll rethink that.

[MaxTheFox]

I want to let boxxy live but his recent posts kinda reek of scum.

Do you have any other reads?

Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

[MaxTheFox]

Alright, I am less busy now. Should talk more. Sorry for lurking.

[MaxTheFox]

VOTE: Almost50
I don't believe the claim anymore. Universal backup + what is pretty much bulletproof bodyguard + psychologist + detective is too much. I believe Boxxy's claim because it came before a50's, but I just got burned by scum fake claiming power roles that seemed to fit into the setup but didn't.

I agree I think this would have too much swing.

@Salsabil why do you constantly use cyan text?

Torn between voting boxxy and A50.

[MaxTheFox]

It's a safe hammer, but I regret that I didn't have more MaxTheFox who I think has legit scum equity.

BTW what do you mean scum equity? 50% chance of being scum?

[MaxTheFox]

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

[MaxTheFox]

I will admit, I am having difficulties reading and following the game. Not enough that I want to replace so I am trying.

[MaxTheFox]

VOTE: A50

[MaxTheFox]

@Salsabil why do you constantly use cyan text?

I use different colors in different games, why?

It's slightly hard to read on the theme I use but it's fine.
Modifying HME's claimlist:

Almost50 - crumbed Novice Psychologist after boxxy's claim, Day 1 | hard claimed Novice Psychologist, Day 2 | known role bullshitter
boxxy - claimed Roaming Detective on E-1, Day 1

Salsabil Faria -

Unclaimed

VT

MaxTheFox -

Unclaimed

VT

T3 - claimed VT
Bambi Jay - claimed VT
Kerset - claimed VT
humaneatingmonkey - claimed VT
Dwlee99 - claimed VT

Seanzie - Town Combined Hider Bodyguard | Flipped Town Combined Hider Bodyguard
nomnomnom - Town Universal Backup | Flipped Town Combined Hider Bodyguard after turning into it

ssbm_Kyouko - claimed VT | Flipped VT

cyrus62 - claimed VT | Flipped Mafia Goon

Actually even though both A50 and boxxy are scummy, I don't think BOTH are scum as that would mean either we have no investigators at all, or a VT is lying.

[MaxTheFox]

Assuming no townie lies, a flip on one either soft-clears or soft-guilties the other.

[MaxTheFox]

Another thing,

MaxTheFox

also didn't claim that point, why did you take my name only for counter-claim?

Is this aimed at me?

[MaxTheFox]

Assuming no townie lies, a flip on one either soft-clears or soft-guilties the other.

I am down to flip either for this reason actually. A50 seems worse to me but if boxxy does something outrageously scummy I will vote boxxy instead.

[MaxTheFox]

Tell me if there' a huge flaw in my reasoning that invalidates this whole plan.

[MaxTheFox]

Maybe because I am new.

Can you tell me about you as a player? How can you describe your playstyle? How long have you been playing? Have you caught scum before? Maybe just tell us how to differentiate from your town game and your scum game based on your own observations (links to games would help)

My only past game I was scum as I said. I did read a few games and was able to correctly guess scum a few times. Was playing for... a few weeks I think. My town playstyle didn't form yet, really.

[MaxTheFox]

Maybe it's Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox

Vote her, at least trust me on this one thing please.... this is for the rest of the town also.

How about you explain your read on me?

[MaxTheFox]

Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

[MaxTheFox]

Unless this setup is weird and we have a 2-player scum team. In which case boxxy || A50 || Kerset || T3.

[MaxTheFox]

Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

[MaxTheFox]

If you kill me today, read my posts after I flip.

[MaxTheFox]

What makes it Kerset or T3?

Both have been pretty quiet and slightly lurky (yes yes I understand the irony but I know I am town). They are a distant third and fourth scumreads though.

How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

Then boxxy becomes more townish I suppose but only because of mechanics, I don't think we have no investigatives here.
Though honestly I don't think we should believe someone who backed out on a claim not once but twice. Come on. In that case I'd probably hang A50 anyway.

Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

I don't think this is is newbtown, I think this is newbscum trying to find an out. Picking those who seem to be the least objectionable for an "info flip" and yet targetting the only claimed TPRs with no counterclaim. That's a scum move.

What makes it Kerset or T3? How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

I think Max puts Kerset/T3 in her list due to PoE from a scum!perspective of picking unobjectionable players that arn't on their team. Back here:

Spoiler: max

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Max doesn't even mention Kerset/T3 but now they're on their scum list along with the two TPRs? Yeah I don't buy it.

I'm think its Max/Bambi, possibly Max/Almost50.

At this point I'm fairly certain nom tried to hide behind me as his biggest scumread. Before I thought he would target a TPR to protect, but I didn't realize he also had the Hider role, now I think nom would try to go bulletproof on his biggest scumread, so I don't think A50 is cleared as being nom's target.

I didn't mention them because as I said, they are merely faint scumleans and I was afraid of mentioning them before because I feared getting flamed.

I'm a roaming detective

I didn't even know what Roaming was.

OK, this is a 100% TOWN claim. Detective determine3s if a player HAS killed (if the target is Mafia who has NOT killed they get a negative result). This reminds me of a game I played recently where I suggested the

Detective

Psychiatrist targets the same players twice, so if they get "Can Kill" on N1 and "Can't Kill" on N2 that's a GUILTY (Psychiatrist is the opposite of Detective), so I think Roaming was added here to prevent that sort of guilty (although it would still be more suitable used with a Psychiatrist). Ohm and that game had a BABYSITTER in it, which is why I suggested the check would be on the same person, because the babysitter would not appear to have killed until/unless they were dead themselves)

can you link it? all i found was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85940

I also wonder in what way is it an inherently town claim, it's very easy to fake.

What makes you think that you will be eliminated today?

From what I read, VT claims under pressure don't live long.

[MaxTheFox]

So your main scumreads are the claimed PRs who have no counterclaims?

If A50 retracts their claim then I am locktown until a counterclaim happens, there's no way there's two bodyguards with nobody to guard

The fact that you only say it makes me "townish" looks like scum trying to avoid townreading a slot.

My pick3 list is now, in order or preference

Max
Bambi
Maybe A50

Claimed PRs who were acting like total scum. Also I did ntoe that if one is fake then the other is likely real. The case against me is invalid in that case I feel.

[MaxTheFox]

What I'm saying is it's {boxxy/Almost50, Bambi Jay, MaxTheFox}. If Almost50 can just straighten out his claim, I can narrow down my PoE and case these players.

I am a bloody VT. Bambi is the ONLY player here who knows how to read my posts. OK? And because she does, she cannot be Scum, because she knew all along that boxxy was the one and only Investigative we have.

This is so scum. If I get QHed hang this the next day.

[MaxTheFox]

What kind of townie changes his claim TWICE?! A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation. Trust me, vote A50.

Hello Max, will you have time to talk to me today?

Yeah.

[MaxTheFox]

I am willing to get hanged the next day if A50 turns out to be town. But I doubt. I don't see a townie being so jumpy.

[MaxTheFox]

Max, I really want the solve to be Almost50 and Bambi Jay. But your posts are screaming scum to me. I feel like you're sweating for no reason. Tell me why you're feeling nervous.

I was feeling nervous because pressure was building on me. And my fears were true, I got run up to E-1.

[MaxTheFox]

Look at my scum game for how I played then. How is that really similar to how I look at the game now? Yes I was a bit lurky D1-D2 but that is because of a slight interest dip and being IRL busy. But compare my overall play to that game.

[MaxTheFox]

I am cemented that A50 is scum. Boxxy... actually Boxxy is town at this point. I rethought it and unless A50 is a TPR after all who is trying a googolplex IQ gambit, he is our sole invest claim.

Your game here was as scum in a normal. It was impressive, you survived until the end of the day. You were also methodical and you were very confident in sharing your reads + questioning people. What's the difference between this game and that game for you?

Here I am more restrained with town reads I suppose. As town (I played chat mafia before) I am kind of scared of making many concrete townreads because if I'm wrong about my townies I have a target on my back. In that game, IIRC, I threw TRs left and right.

[MaxTheFox]

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

What posts from Bambi does it give you the impression that they're helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, etc.? And why is Bambi Jay more distinctly town vs Almost50 or anyone else in the playerlist?

It's just the feeling I get from her ISO? This... I don't feel scum would make this post. Call it my intuition.

What part? Not shooting me?

I would've shot my slot personally as scum. Killing a lurker slot gives nothin away. But I know for sure if Almost is scum he wouldn't kill me cuz it's more with me alive and vice versa. Use that info how you will.

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

This is however immediately soiled with

Yeah a mass claim now kinda helps. First off though I guess I got an idea. If we all say the 3 people we want the most gone out of us 9, we can narrow down our pool significantly. Tally the votes and shit.

Like for me it would be
HEM
Salsa
Dwlee

The bottom two just feel fillersy. Probs could say the same about Max but of everyone she seems the most screwed from the short first days. Let's not go wild I guess this time and think things through.

Bruh why would you put HEM as your top scumread?

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Now unlike with invest claims I can't really see scum back out of a vig claim. Too much risk.

However.

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.
I really hate the tone of this in particular.

Why do you all keep going for me or my townreads? This is saddening.

Box doesn't trust me. Monkey sure as heck doesn't trust me. Salsa doesn't. Dwlee and Max are wall decorations.

T3 and Almost seem to be the guys who I can trust here. And unless I'm double pocketed by the scum team I'm sure I'm right here.

Consider Bambi another scumlean from me now.

Can you also give me a readslist? It would really help us.

Yeah soon after I re-read D3.

Here I am more restrained with town reads I suppose.

Is it hard for you to spot town?

Yes. In that game it was easy for me to make a readslist because I knew who was town and could just pull it out of my ass.

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

[MaxTheFox]

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

1. Because last time I didn't read as deep into Bambi.
2. I... didn't? By fitting the situtation I meant that he seemed to jump to a VT claim as soon as we started considering POEing invest claims.

[MaxTheFox]

I have some additional questions MaxTheFox

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

Do you remember this post? Can you tell me what was in your head when you said it was TvT?

Well shit guess I was wrong about TR.

I think we should look for anyone bussing on the wagon on Cyrus before he died.

Do you also remember this post? Why did you think that scum bussed Cyrus, and why haven't you looked into the wagon yourself?

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

What about my playstyle makes you confident that I'm town?

1. Both reads were gut reads, I was wrong on cyrus but nomnomnom is null-slight-leaning-town for me at this point.
2. Why wouldn't mafia bus their teammate who slipped like that (I wasn't there for the slip)? And I will admit. I suck at things like that. I could try but my TR on Cyrus being wrong discouraged me.

[MaxTheFox]

Nomnomnom is dead, I'm an idiot.

[MaxTheFox]

Pretty sure he finally claimed VT after most of the claims were in

And before that he claimed two different invests.

[MaxTheFox]

Reads (anyone not mentioned is dead, reasons not mentioned are gut):

Town

Me (I know I am town)
humaneatingmonkey (solid town leader all game, I doubt scum)
Salsabil
boxxy (with A50 being scum or VT he is the only invest claim so despite making himself look sus I'd say he's mechanical town)

Townlean

Dwlee

Scumlean

T3
Kerset
Bambi (see my previous short analysis)

Scum

A50 (being jumpy as shit)

[MaxTheFox]

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

What about my playstyle makes you confident that I'm town?

Missed this. I honestly don't really know. It's gut.

you had A50 cemented as scum. that's a lot of confidence. what's your case on him? can you tell me why his actions this game was something scum would do vs something town would do?

My case on him is that:
1. Him becoming much more active after Cyrus's death seems like a scum picking up the slack after a buddy died.
2. I don't see town being so jumpy with claims.
3. I generally don't like his tone.

Each one by themselves would just be a scumlean at most.

[MaxTheFox]

Is this the best you can do?

Yes. I'm sorry but I'm new. This is my best attept at solving.

[MaxTheFox]

Either boxxy is town, there's mod WIFOM with no invests in the setup, or an invest is fakeclaiming VT right now.

[MaxTheFox]

Yes that's my reasoning, boxxy is probably that role and is just a townie who has wrong reads.

[MaxTheFox]

GJ vig. Vig shouldn't come out yet I think, could get another shot off (unless 1-shot in which case yeah claim now).

I'm town. I don't know what else to say. T3 is my main SR now. VOTE: T3

If yall kill me today then kill T3 after I flip VT as I said. Don't ignore my posts.

[MaxTheFox]

I think an 1-Shot vig is a bit too weak while full vig is too strong. I suspect 2-shot actually. Should they come out in that case?

[MaxTheFox]

Yes I pushed a townie but A50 brought it upon himself for fakeclaiming two times as a VT. Come on.

[MaxTheFox]

We have 3 miselims. If we lose this, we are dumb. I will never elim Dwlee, Kerset, the claimed vig, and obviously, me. I think we should go MaxTheFox → T3 → Salsabil (in the case of a deepwolf)

Why Kerset?

[MaxTheFox]

Why T3, Max?

I don't like his tone, I think it makes more sense for scum than town. Plus slightly lurky.

[MaxTheFox]

Bruh why would you put HEM as your top scumread?

Max, did you scumread Bambi because she had me as her top scumread?

Yeah also I mentioned I didn't like her ISO.

[MaxTheFox]

Just make sure T3 is next if you hang me okay?

[MaxTheFox]

Yep yep. What's your read on Kerset?

Null, very mild scum, same reason as T3 but less so. If T3 is town I'd say kill Kerset. If it's not Kerset I have no idea who is mafia.

[MaxTheFox]

I'll make a case later today I think, will do the same as I did against Bambi, select a few notable posts from ISO.

[MaxTheFox]

Bonus

• At #1498, MaxTheFox scumslips when she said "My town playstyle didn't form yet, really." She is speaking in past tense, and doesn't have the POV that she's town in the present.

How so? The fact that my playstyle didn't form was in the present form, wasn't it?

[MaxTheFox]

I kinda fucked myself with being quiet D1 and D2. Now nothing I can do can save me I think.

[MaxTheFox]

boxxy and A50 are such obvious town I would rather be limmed to save them.

I hate this. How is A50 obvtown? This is scum who can say this easily because he knows who is town.

Someone who is on his second game in 12 years fakeclaims a role no one has heard about?

Hate this too. Wouldn't it be normal for scum to fake a semi-obscure role/modifier combination? Since you can bet on town saying just this. This is an attempt to pocket someone who he thinks probably is a TPR and make said TPR not check him (boxxy).

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Flimsy excuse.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

???

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And almost everything else is filler. I 100% scumread T3 now. After I die get him tomorrow. Don't throw, town.

[MaxTheFox]

I brought this upon myself but we have time. Go town!

[MaxTheFox]

And I did skim Bambi's ISO the first time but like... I didn't look all that deep into it. Just clearing up a misunderstanding.

I am a village idiot amn't I?

[MaxTheFox]

BTW I didn't scumread A50 for being active. Where did you get that? It was mostly (c). I didn't think town would do... that. I still think A50 blundered and got himself hanged.

[MaxTheFox]

My case on him is that:
1. Him becoming much more active after Cyrus's death seems like a scum picking up the slack after a buddy died.
2. I don't see town being so jumpy with claims.
3. I generally don't like his tone.

The activity itself wasn't the bad thing, it's just him becoming more active after Cyrus died really pinged me. But it was a coincidence, he was catching up.

[MaxTheFox]

Responses in bold.

MaxTheFox, cyrus62, Bambi Jay (exclude Day 4)

Didn't realize this started until today, woops.

Anyways, hello everyone! I am semi-new but I played one game already (I was scum there) and read a bunch of games before. The game in question: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

Why scum!

Fox

will start with sharing her scum game (to everyone except

Fox

herself)? Her

scum-intro

in that game:

Alrighty, this is the first game I didn't get replaced out of. I did read a lot of games before. Ahem.

VOTE: JohnyFarrar for wagoning NFP early.

Also feels like a lot of iioa throughout, and an unusual fixation on getting a sense of where everyone's townreads are, which could be nai but here feels more like trying to map the topography and get a strategic push in at a later time

This is about you Sean

What does iioa mean?

The other point is fair. Ftr it is more that I am much more of a scumreader than a townreader, and am actively working on my towncore-game.

Information instead of analysis. Basically recapping the game without sharing thoughts.

Did you talk about

Seanzie

here? If so, what were you thinking that about him?

Seanzie didn't ping me much at all before their death. Sorry.

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Mention those

1st few pages

posts where you saw town!him.

It was just the tone on most of his posts before his slip, which I wasn't there to see and then he got hanged before I could log on again and respond.

I'd also like to refer to this thread
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Consider: another weak incest like, IDK, a voyeur or something. Wouldn't that be balanced then?

You have decent knowledge about game mechanisms I see, then why it was tough for you to form opinions early? Even if I give you benifit of the doubt for being new, you couldn't form opinions on Day 3 also.

Knowing mechanical theory =/= having enough practice to scumhunt. I think I have enough at this point however.

Is this the best you can do?

Yes. I'm sorry but I'm new. This is my best attept at solving.

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

"Mafia" is more suitable on MAFIAscum, I agree. However, the game was originally called Wolf (I think) and many other sites use the term Wolf instead of Mafia/Scum. (I personally dislike the name Wolf because -to me- it's a different alignment than Mafia, but that's just me.)

Actually it

was

Mafia originally and still is in some countries (it's a Russian game) but it is more popular in America as "Werewolf".

Did you ever play any forum mafia on other sites? Or any kind of mafia game on anywhere?

Chat mafia, the meta is very different there. It's a lot more role-based (not to the extent of TOS tho).

Meanwhile I'm reading your scum game, there you were confident from the 1st post but here you started with playing the newb player card.

I think I noticed, you didn't have any direct interaction with

cyrus62

at all while both of you were online.

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.
Or that's what he wants you to think.

Between your 743 to this post,

Bambi

made tons of posts but you only responded this:

Or that's what he wants you to think.

How I read this post is you suggested

Bambi

to take scum!

cyrus62

's posts seriously? Or you thought he mentioned his scum partners in those posts?

The latter. I mean. He seems like the sort of player to make those weird ballsy refuge-in-audacity plays.

I want to let boxxy live but his recent posts kinda reek of scum.

Do you have any other reads?

Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

Can you explain it now?

Her ISO looked townie when I skimmed it but not when I looked at it deeper.

Edit: that's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists.

Alright, I am less busy now. Should talk more. Sorry for lurking.

Timing is questionable.

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

Exactly what you did on your scum game. So you.should.know, if a player is helpful, doesn't necessarily mean they are town.

Actually in my scum game I barely did jack to solve. Less than Bambi did. I just kinda went with the flow before and after turbo-pushing VFP.

I am willing to get hanged the next day if A50 turns out to be town. But I doubt. I don't see a townie being so jumpy.

Uh oh.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

What posts from Bambi does it give you the impression that they're helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, etc.? And why is Bambi Jay more distinctly town vs Almost50 or anyone else in the playerlist?

It's just the feeling I get from her ISO? This... I don't feel scum would make this post. Call it my intuition.

What part? Not shooting me?

I would've shot my slot personally as scum. Killing a lurker slot gives nothin away. But I know for sure if Almost is scum he wouldn't kill me cuz it's more with me alive and vice versa. Use that info how you will.

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

This is however immediately soiled with

Yeah a mass claim now kinda helps. First off though I guess I got an idea. If we all say the 3 people we want the most gone out of us 9, we can narrow down our pool significantly. Tally the votes and shit.

Like for me it would be
HEM
Salsa
Dwlee

The bottom two just feel fillersy. Probs could say the same about Max but of everyone she seems the most screwed from the short first days. Let's not go wild I guess this time and think things through.

Bruh why would you put HEM as your top scumread?

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Now unlike with invest claims I can't really see scum back out of a vig claim. Too much risk.

However.

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.
I really hate the tone of this in particular.

Why do you all keep going for me or my townreads? This is saddening.

Box doesn't trust me. Monkey sure as heck doesn't trust me. Salsa doesn't. Dwlee and Max are wall decorations.

T3 and Almost seem to be the guys who I can trust here. And unless I'm double pocketed by the scum team I'm sure I'm right here.

Consider Bambi another scumlean from me now.

Why didn't you unvote

Almost50

that time when you were taking a pause I suppose?

Because A50 was worse to me still.

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

Which

Bambi

also did, then why she couldn't be your top scumread like

Almost50

?

She did but not so egregiously, and also didn't have the "becomes active after alleged buddy dies" thing.

[MaxTheFox]

Someone: heyo max scumslipped

Everyone: so naturaly we lim t3

Where's my slip?

[MaxTheFox]

Just get this over with, I'd prefer we hang T3 right now so the game ends faster but if you hang me first then so be it.

[MaxTheFox]

I'm not self hammering yet because town has things to discuss.

[MaxTheFox]

Super hot take.

Instead of Kerset, it's HEM.

He "deepwolfed" and pocketed me and other townies to push lims on A50 and T3. Explains why such a "town leader" wasn't killed yet.

[MaxTheFox]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

It's either me or him at this point. Just trust me.

[MaxTheFox]

His recent posts also reek of nervous scum trying to secure a townie mislynch to win.

[MaxTheFox]

I understand if you vote me out now and lose. But if you want to win, vote HEM, the scum who was manipulating us all.

[MaxTheFox]

Well. I'm fucking town. That's why I don't want him to get away with it.

So Max, why is Kerset or Dwlee town instead of me?

You pushed several townies and convinced others to push with you. They didn't. You're the kind of scum who "leads" the town to miseliminations and passes them off as mistakes.

I will probably fail to convince Kerset & Dwlee of this tho.

[MaxTheFox]

Spoiler: Max the Fox and Cyrus Day One things

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

This is all we got from max/Cyrus about each other on day one which is basically nothing to form associatives on

It was a mostly gut read. Don't exactly remember it. But I was still new to reading people-- remember, my only other game on this site, I was scum.

[MaxTheFox]

ah i see.

so this makes kerset and dwlee town?

You're actively scummy on a deeper thought, Kerset is null at worse, I'm happy to lock Dwlee as town.

[MaxTheFox]

We have one scum left. So yes they are town.

[MaxTheFox]

ah i see.

so this makes kerset and dwlee town?

You're actively scummy on a deeper thought, Kerset is null at worse, I'm happy to lock Dwlee as town.

*at worst

[MaxTheFox]

Kerset is null at worse, I'm happy to lock Dwlee as town.

and why are you happy to lock dwlee as town

Because:
1) You're scummier than him.
2) His actions don't make much sense as scum.

Spoiler: Cyrus Monkey Day One Exchange

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

its not very good to accidentally eliminate a town pr. so maybe you believe it?

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

Lie like that d1.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment why would he lie like that. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment

why would he lie like that

. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Yes, I know you don't think it is fake. I'm asking you why.

Lie like

what?

That is what I am asking. What is special about his claim that makes it not likely a lie? Is it the claim itself, or is it your read on the slot? If it is the claim itself that looks genuine, what would you expect a D1 fakeclaim to look like?

I have no idea what a fakeclaim would look like. I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

Hmm

i dont know i think cyrus is telling the truth!

i really dont like liars cyrus so can you please promise me that the role is real

if you promise me i will shut up

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.


Edit.I cannot promise that the role is real.

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

Ment a pr sorry phone fixes everything.

oh no!

i really hate it when my phone does that

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

town and poor box.

are you sad for box, cyrus

Like I said I buy boxs story. Your looking scummy. But if you want to lynch box go ahead but if they flip town pr. Don't blame me.

why am i scummy cyrus? im trying to talk to you because i want to believe box

i dont want to lynch town pr

are you sad for box, cyrus

yes cause no one believes him even when he's telling the truth.

i dont want to lynch town pr

Then don't. Earth to box it's not my place to defend you. Prove to them your not lieing

okay so if it's not box who would you vote for? who is scum? i want to follow you

I need to wait till tomorrow when I'm back at my pc.

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

Sean is my top my scum read.

I'm clearing Monkey for this interaction. I think it is self-explanatory, but this interaction made Cyrus look megabad iirc and I don't think scum!monkey does that to his buddy

Max I want your opinion on this one

Coordinated to make HEM look better at the expense of throwing Cyrus under the bus.

[MaxTheFox]

You'll see I was right when this game ends today.

[MaxTheFox]

max just vote no execution and we will see whenever monkey dies or not

btw use fast night, idk why we had to wait so long last time

Fine let's do this.

Can I do my reading before we end day or no

I'll wait then. As soon as you post it I'll vote no-lim.

[MaxTheFox]

A couple of holes in the story:

1. I also led the cyrus
2. nomnom led the Seanzie wagon, and I agreed with him.
1. I didn't want an Almost50 elim. If I did, Bambi (my partner, in this story) would have been exposed because I created a {Bambi Jay/Almost50, MaxTheFox} lim pool.
2. Kerset led the T3 wagon, and I agreed with him.
3. I wasn't NKed because nomnom got shot protecting either me or boxxy > boxxy is an investigative with maximum potential at N3 > Salsabil was confirmed town.

1. You led cyrus because you bussed him.
2. I didn't say you led all the mislynches ever (you still agreed with it and that's a point against you).
1(?). That's a scumslip LMAO. You just explained why you didn't want it.
3. What about N1? And town trusted you so much later that scum!me would kill you over Salsa actually.

[MaxTheFox]

Max, I really want the solve to be Almost50 and Bambi Jay. But your posts are screaming scum to me. I feel like you're sweating for no reason. Tell me why you're feeling nervous.

Have you seen https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642? She actually managed to survive and win as scum in normal.

Thank you. Now I feel much more comfortable voting Max. as this explains why ssbm was shot on N1 (He was the only on here who did witness her Scum game)

It would explain D1 after all this time. Cyrus dead, rathe afk so max picked kill alone

max you can explain n1 kill meantime

The kill seemed a bit random-- if I was scum I'd have killed HEM at least.

[MaxTheFox]

Which is another point towards HEM scum.

[MaxTheFox]

A couple of holes in the story:

1. I also led the cyrus
2. nomnom led the Seanzie wagon, and I agreed with him.
1. I didn't want an Almost50 elim. If I did, Bambi (my partner, in this story) would have been exposed because I created a {Bambi Jay/Almost50, MaxTheFox} lim pool.
2. Kerset led the T3 wagon, and I agreed with him.
3. I wasn't NKed because nomnom got shot protecting either me or boxxy > boxxy is an investigative with maximum potential at N3 > Salsabil was confirmed town.

Second 2. You still agreed with it.

You either led or agreed with every town mislynch, and didn't push the one guy who would have caused POE if limmed.

[MaxTheFox]

my fucking god if we lose this because you guys can't see Max is scum and I'm town when it's so obvious, I'm gonna flip my shit

Shut up scum. You're caught and you know it.

Town, listen to the points I countered. How does HEM!scum make no sense here?

[MaxTheFox]

my fucking god if we lose this because you guys can't see Max is scum and I'm town when it's so obvious, I'm gonna flip my shit

BTW nice appeal to emotion instead of making any counter-arguments.

You pushed or helped push all townies.

Sure, but even you can see that this is newbscum

No because HEM is clearly scum. Kerset and Dwlee, read this again.

A couple of holes in the story:

1. I also led the cyrus
2. nomnom led the Seanzie wagon, and I agreed with him.
1. I didn't want an Almost50 elim. If I did, Bambi (my partner, in this story) would have been exposed because I created a {Bambi Jay/Almost50, MaxTheFox} lim pool.
2. Kerset led the T3 wagon, and I agreed with him.
3. I wasn't NKed because nomnom got shot protecting either me or boxxy > boxxy is an investigative with maximum potential at N3 > Salsabil was confirmed town.

1. You led cyrus because you bussed him.
2. I didn't say you led all the mislynches ever (you still agreed with it and that's a point against you).
1(?). That's a scumslip LMAO. You just explained why you didn't want it.
3. What about N1? And town trusted you so much later that scum!me would kill you over Salsa actually.

A couple of holes in the story:

1. I also led the cyrus
2. nomnom led the Seanzie wagon, and I agreed with him.
1. I didn't want an Almost50 elim. If I did, Bambi (my partner, in this story) would have been exposed because I created a {Bambi Jay/Almost50, MaxTheFox} lim pool.
2. Kerset led the T3 wagon, and I agreed with him.
3. I wasn't NKed because nomnom got shot protecting either me or boxxy > boxxy is an investigative with maximum potential at N3 > Salsabil was confirmed town.

Second 2. You still agreed with it.

You either led or agreed with every town mislynch, and didn't push the one guy who would have caused POE if limmed.

max you can explain n1 kill meantime

The kill seemed a bit random-- if I was scum I'd have killed HEM at least.

[MaxTheFox]

No matter what my experience is, I'm not infallible. If I'm scum, I would have slipped. If I'm scum, I would have blundered. If I'm scum, the path to victory would have been obvious. If you think that I'm good scum with a lot of experience, don't you think I would have created a better path to victory than be in this situation where you doubt my alignment vs MaxTheFox?

You banked on me either continuing to trust you or me figuring you out but nobody believing me.

[MaxTheFox]

Max didn't you push a50 though?

I did but I didn't push Seanzie. Also A50 looked scummy as fuck with jumping between a claim each day.

[MaxTheFox]

HEM

not

pushing A50 was odd for if HEM was town, town!HEM I'd expect to push such a blatantly scummy town. But he didn't because it outed his buddy.

[MaxTheFox]

Except I did push him

You barely did IIRC.

No matter what my experience is, I'm not infallible. If I'm scum, I would have slipped. If I'm scum, I would have blundered. If I'm scum, the path to victory would have been obvious. If you think that I'm good scum with a lot of experience, don't you think I would have created a better path to victory than be in this situation where you doubt my alignment vs MaxTheFox?

You wanted to start this day with max execution rather then skip this day. Skip is meta play here.

I'm down for skip once Dwlee finishes reading but I'm 99% sure HEM is deepscum here.

[MaxTheFox]

I already shared my case on why HEM is deepscum. Up to you now, Kerset and Dwlee. Don't throw this game away.

I'd vote no-elim but I'll wait a few hours or until Dwlee says he finished reading.

[MaxTheFox]

In day 3 game state I feel like Bambi pushing HEM points towards town!hem unless it's a super risky bus.

Scum can push each other without intent to bus: all you need to do is to not do it hard and back out on it if needed.

[MaxTheFox]

There was no reason to bus Bambi Jay. She's competent, she's townread by people. If you think I have enough miselims right now as scum, together we would have had ELo even earlier without being pushed in a situation like this.

Actually no she wasn't widely TRed at that point anymore. I remember it clearly.

[MaxTheFox]

Also bussing =/= following along with a push by the rest of the town.

[MaxTheFox]

Actually no she wasn't widely TRed at that point anymore. I remember it clearly.

Prove it

Burden of proof is on you, you claimed she was TRed by people first.

[MaxTheFox]

I think the case on HEM is bad.

Thank you! Geez.

It really sucks having to explain myself like this when it's too obvious.

No it's not obvious and Dwlee is being sheeped.

There's like a couple of things I could see pointing towards HEM scum but because no one else is pointing them out I think the case on HEM is bad.

Point them out then.

[MaxTheFox]

so why max didn't kill box early? This is the most obvious move and the most exceptable from 2021 member

Because I am a VT and VTs can't kill.

[MaxTheFox]

Actually no she wasn't widely TRed at that point anymore. I remember it clearly.

Prove it

Burden of proof is on you, you claimed she was TRed by people first.

*silence*

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

You know who has motive to kill Kyouko? Someone who read the game I linked and is trying to frame me.

[MaxTheFox]

Guys it is fucking obvious that HEM is deepscum and you all will feel dumb if you kill me today.

[MaxTheFox]

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

yea that is my main argument why max is evil but a shame its form a50 not myself

Now explain why he couldn't be doing this to frame

me

?

[MaxTheFox]

I am wishing so bad I was a gay vig right now so I could shoot HEM in the face because he is blatant deepscum who just slipped.

[MaxTheFox]

*day vig

[MaxTheFox]

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

yea that is my main argument why max is evil but a shame its form a50 not myself

Now explain why he couldn't be doing this to frame

me

?

bc he is not a diviner to predict the he will argue you in lylo

No but he could point it out even before LyLo to frame me. Think!

[MaxTheFox]

bc he is not a diviner to predict the he will argue you in lylo

I agree with this

DID YOU READ MY POST?

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

yea that is my main argument why max is evil but a shame its form a50 not myself

Now explain why he couldn't be doing this to frame

me

?

bc he is not a diviner to predict the he will argue you in lylo

No but he could point it out even before LyLo to frame me. Think!

[MaxTheFox]

HE KEPT THIS AROUND TO FRAME ME.

HE NEVER NEEDED TO DO THIS BEFORE THIS DAY BECAUSE HE DID NOT PUSH ME THAT HARD YET.

HE IS THE SORT OF PLAYER WHO IS A PUPPET MASTER.

AND HIS CASE AGAINST BEING PARTNERED WITH BAMBI HINGES ON A FALSE ACCUSATION: THAT BAMBI WAS TRED.

[MaxTheFox]

VOTE. HEM. OR WE LOSE

[MaxTheFox]

I have played a lot of games with T3 and I have seen people dissect his scum game enough for me to watch out for it.

I think T3 is town. I think Salsa is town. I think you're right about A50's mindset not making sense as a psychologist.

What do you think about Bambi Jay's take on A50 lying about his role to save boxxy? I think it's a load of bullshit because A50 doesn't have the town motivation to believe boxxy's claim if he has a sense that the slot of scum (as demonstrated by him, before boxxy claimed). But since he claims his role is tied to his own role (which Bambi Jay believes is fake and A50 is alluding is fake), he says he believes it. So it's a load of tangled bullshit imo.

I think we should force participation out of MaxTheFox. VOTE: MaxTheFox He blurts out an unexplained Cyrus townread, and literally all his reads are unexplained. He just isn't towning it up. He suggested looking in Cyrus wagon for bussers but didn't actually try himself.

I would think that MaxTheFox is the better choice here. Although it might be that we just haven't seen enough of him to really read into the slot, I think his D1 stances are off, I think his reads are shallow, and I think the emotions of his recent posts are off.

It might be a bit vague but what is it your meta to be submissive? You let me execute both T3 and A50 even that you suspect were elsewhere. Why did you force your idea like with box

Spoiler:

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

Boxxy's wagon in the near future.

Boxxy's posts aren't good. TL;DR Boxxy is positioning himself to be the town's lord and savior from these anti-town scrubs and he's gonna scumhunt the scum to infinity and beyond. I read this as scum who's trying to score towncred. This is not how town actually score towncred. Town score towncred by making an effort in actually sorting slots. But in fact, he's done the opposite — he's reading into things very superficially and focuses much more on keeping the 'tegridy of much tuhwn.

BOXXY WAGON HYPE

Aimed at me? Neither of those are particularly hard pushes. He quickly abandoned them in favor of another townie/

[MaxTheFox]

I made this post at 1571

A50 answering on behalf of Bambi Jay instead of letting Bambi Jay illustrate it himself makes me think that this interaction would have never happened if they have a PT — otherwise he could have just coached there. If there's scum in A50 and Bambi Jay, it's only one or the other.

{Bambi Jay/A50, Max The Fox}

Before these posts, these were everyone's vote:

T3 was voting against Kerset. Bambi Jay was never mentioned.
Almost50 townreads Bambi Jay
MaxTheFox townreads Bambi Jay
boxxy townleans Bambi Jay
Kerset wants to elim A50 and was questioning Salsabil's Bambi scumread.
Dwlee99 wants to elim A50 first before Bambi. I was the one who convinced him that Bambi is scum.
Salsabil Faria was the earliest with Bambi when she caught her TMI-ing. But I was earlier than her in making that read.

I backed out on Bambi very soon after.

[MaxTheFox]

I can't find anything suggesting HEM was trying to frame max for the night kill. Does anyone remember how people pushed related to the Kyo kill? I think I remember people saying seanzie and/or salsa was evil for it

As I said.

HEM kept it in his pocket. A50 caught on but everyone ignored him because, as HEM said, A50 was untrustworthy at that point.

[MaxTheFox]

Why wouldn't HEM use it when a50 brought it up?

I was kinda scummy all game due to my quietness, he decided to either save it for if he really needs to secure my lynch. As he did just now, he brought it up when I cased against him.

[MaxTheFox]

I feel like that is such a longshot scenario

Keeping a trump card against someone in your sleeve isn't really something that hard to do, right? Especially for HEM who seems like a very experienced player.

[MaxTheFox]

Well blow me down. I was kinda torn between pushing Kerset and HEM but Dwlee was off my radar completely.

[MaxTheFox]

GG everyone.

[MaxTheFox]

Any feedback for my play?

[MaxTheFox]

Alright. I just don't like semi-open setups I guess. I feel I know enough to go for another normal.