Mini Normal 2216 Mafia PT

[Dwlee99]

Hi. Fruit vendor just gives someone a fruit at night.

[Dwlee99]

It just tells people "you got fruit."

[Dwlee99]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fruit_Vendor
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Complex
For info on how my role works. I'm not sure if I want to use it to find power roles or what.

[Dwlee99]

No, I'm not a roleblocker. I get effectively roleblocked if I target someone who isn't a power role.

[Dwlee99]

No, it isn't one-shot. I can essentially find power roles if they say in chat they got a fruit.

[Dwlee99]

It doesn't say who gave you the fruit.

[Dwlee99]

Hopefully Rathe shows up.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think you're at e-1. Just remain calm, we can talk you out of this.

[Dwlee99]

Once boxxer gets flipped I think you're in a position to avoid being eliminated d2 because of how off they were on the you + boxxer team. Just don't do anything to get eliminated today.

[Dwlee99]

Btw Cyrus you should probably think of what your fake claim will be. A power role is probably good because town won't have a lot of power when we are 2 goons + my weird role. Think of a moderate-ish strength role and I can help you think of how to play around your future planned claim

[Dwlee99]

Well sorry about that but I think it was for the best.

Mod

: Could we make sure to get a rathe replacement or confirm before night ends?

[Dwlee99]

Btw Cyrus it is generally bad practice to scum claim when you think you're going to die.

[Dwlee99]

Okay cool. Honestly I'd appreciate any help in picking the night kill. Read all of day one if you can. It's pretty short and also a dumpster fire for us. I think I'm suspicious af rn and there are a lot of solid people townreading each other so I kind of want to set you up to end game if we can. There is a claimed roaming detective and we have to consider who should make the night kill and where.

[Dwlee99]

I would agree that it is best to kill a widely townread person. I was thinking of whether I could claim town complex fruit vendor but I don't think that is plausible enough. If I tried it I would target boxxy to confirm him as a PR and then claim it. I don't think it works as a town claim though.

[Dwlee99]

Btw I'm open to suggestions on how I should have played day one. Especially cause I feel like it'll be relevant moving forward with the rest of the game

[Dwlee99]

Boxxy.

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Mini Normal 2216 | Screaming | Night 1

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

[Dwlee99]

Not sure about killing Kyo. Are we trying to set up Seanzie kind of? I was thinking it might be good to kill on the wagon and then maybe make the argument that the wagon is locktown and because I'm on it that argument might benefit us.

[Dwlee99]

Nah I trust you

[Dwlee99]

Yea I will. I am kind of deferring to you at least for now because day 1 was a total dumpster fire that I didn't put out.

[Dwlee99]

Lol Boxxy's read of me is so dead on accurate.

[Dwlee99]

Any thoughts on day one?

[Dwlee99]

Please explain the guilty claim.

[Dwlee99]

How bad would it look if I lolhammered it if it hits E-1? Like "okay guess we are hitting scum again"

[Dwlee99]

Well if you hammer you've scum claimed unless he flips something you can BS on. If I do it and you're not on the wagon, wellll

[Dwlee99]

If I lolhammer now we might be able to pull it off? Thoughts?

[Dwlee99]

Why are we doing this again? You die for sure if this goes through

[Dwlee99]

I actually can't believe what has happened. I think you made everyone forget how scummy I looked

[Dwlee99]

Almost50 WAS softing psychiatrist or whatever the role is called. The counterpart to detective.

[Dwlee99]

You think they'll hold you to the vigilante claim?

[Dwlee99]

Also this setup feels slightly unbalanced but maybe it's just the tension of losing a buddy against the power of a psychologist and detective. They're both gated but it's rough.

[Dwlee99]

You show up inno to psychologist but not detective. But you could claim vigilante that shot?

[Dwlee99]

I'm glad you made the night kill you did. I think my response was correct that it just confuses them. Also wanted to say I think we just shoot a50 tonight.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not totally incompetent, it's just been a while haha

[Dwlee99]

Best kill is actually me killing Boxxy if he lives the day, as then the psychiatrist becomes useless. But maybe the elimination can swing that way while both of us oppose it?

[Dwlee99]

Me hammering Cyrus there is paying off so nicely. Game pace was set and now they just want quick elim after quick elim.

[Dwlee99]

Honestly our best bet is them turning it on Boxxy somehow so Monkey and Nom look sus. In that case tho it's up to town to screw up.

Agreed but neither of us should touch a boxxy wagon if it happens.

[Dwlee99]

Astounding

[Dwlee99]

Bruh
Okay do we kill boxxy tonight or let them kill him?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee performs kill on boxxy

[Dwlee99]

I feel bad for him but playing to win condition there meant lurking while they kill him.

[Dwlee99]

If I'm shot by a vigi your best bet still is to let town implode I guess. They sure as hell aren't siding with each other. You might legit win here otherwise.

And yeah that's right, though unfortunate he joined a quick game like this. These games scum have a massive advantage.

If you're shot by a vigilante this game was very unfair for us.

[Dwlee99]

A universal backup too? jeez

[Dwlee99]

Can we push a50 you think?

[Dwlee99]

We are getting lucky with the power roles' play. This would have sucked so bad if we didn't have all the PRs instantly out themselves. I think town will probably coalesce on one of a50 or monkey but if they coalesce on a different townie (like kerset?? Lol) we will look even better.

[Dwlee99]

Also reminder that we need 3 more miselims including today.

[Dwlee99]

Nom's last post really gives you the impression he would not protect boxxy.

[Dwlee99]

I think we could argue that it wouldn't make sense for scum to kill monkey if either of the investigative roles are real, but that might just look suspicious if we do it wrong

[Dwlee99]

I'm leaving associatives with monkey in case I flip at some point. You can point out that I was distancing but not committing to a vote on him.

[Dwlee99]

Oh yo maybe I could make an argument you were protected by nom cause of your fake vigilante claim?

[Dwlee99]

I wonder if a50 is actually going to go through with this Boxxy elimination.

[Dwlee99]

If we do a mass claim you should probably claim VT

[Dwlee99]

I think that is a bad claim and you should probably say you're looking for reactions or something

[Dwlee99]

Unless you're going to commit to it, in which case all power to you ig

[Dwlee99]

The problem is almost50 will get a negative result on you. We kinda need to kill him today and then you could claim a shot on boxxy tonight? Maybe?

[Dwlee99]

Idk I think this was a bad idea, we were in a really bad spot.

[Dwlee99]

Good spot*

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to swing for a50 today I think, you just need to live haha.

[Dwlee99]

PoE pool:
T3 (I'm listing him just to say that I'm not including him in the PoE because I'm choosing to trust hem's read)
Almost50
Bambi JAy
MaxTheFox
Kerset

I think eliminating in the order a50 > Bambi > Max > Kerset wins the game.

Well, I didn't say who it was winning for

[Dwlee99]

I think you're calling me out a little too strongly. It seems TMI because of how much other people townread me if I flip scum.

[Dwlee99]

If we can get max eliminated while I push on a50 we have a good chance to reach ELO with us both alive and conveniently boxxy is the only one who puts us both in the 4-player "winning solve"

[Dwlee99]

You're ballsy

[Dwlee99]

Yep, with boxxy and salsa dead I don't think I get eliminated unless I mess up.

[Dwlee99]

Why did both townie miselims have to end in such upsetting circumstances?

[Dwlee99]

I mean I expect most people to go with a "I was town here are my dying words" approach rather than that.

[Dwlee99]

I am thinking if I leave t3 and kerset they'll cross vote?

[Dwlee99]

I think if we don't make it obvious I'm bussing you tomorrow we are golden.

[Dwlee99]

Oh noo, if you didn't "hammer" there you wouldn't have even looked sus. I still have gone for you tomorrow but you look a lot worse here.

[Dwlee99]

Bambi kills Boxxy
I stay at home

[Dwlee99]

All good. I think a similar thing happens there anyway if that didn't happen.

[Dwlee99]

I might kill monkey tonight.

[Dwlee99]

And by tonight I meant the night after this day cycle.

[Dwlee99]

I think I push the "I'm never eliminating salsa" angle to get max eliminated then kill Salsa to leave 3p me, kerset, t3, where I hope they cross vote.

[Dwlee99]

Basically: he is scarier but also the clear can work in my favor. I think he is trying to play up how much he townreads me so that I leave him alive where he flips the switch on me. Regardless, I don't want both him and Salsa in 3p.

[Dwlee99]

Do you actually think it is possible for people to vote him? I plan to hard push you and I want to make sure we don't leave associative tells by being obvious about it being a bus.

[Dwlee99]

Okay, I'll be out getting ice cream so it works for me

[Dwlee99]

Wait, this game is actually rigged. A BP bodyguard, vigilante, a universal backup, and the detective.

[Dwlee99]

That better be one-shot oof

[Dwlee99]

Assuming it is one-shot I'm fine I think. It just gives me an extra cleared townie to deal with.

[Dwlee99]

Damn this actually sucks so bad though. I have to get 3 elims through and can't even bus Bambi for one of them. Hopefully we keep it on even and I hit the vig with a night kill.

[Dwlee99]

My gut says Kerset too which was supposed to be one of my elims.. fuck

[Dwlee99]

T3
Kerset
humaneatingmonkey
Dwlee99
I can make this final 4. Or
Salsa
T3
Kerset
Dwlee99

[Dwlee99]

Nvm this setup can be balanced. Game goes to even which means town don't actually ever get an extra elim cause every night kill goes through

[Dwlee99]

Also, if it comes down to it, I'm not quickhammering in MELO.

[Dwlee99]

@Mod

: my role pm says I win once no town are alive. If I get shot the same night I kill the last town, do I still win?

[Dwlee99]

Omg do I have this

[Dwlee99]

One tough thing is I actually end up in Kerset/Max/Me final 3 if Salsa is just simple vig. Ugh

[Dwlee99]

Actually, I could kill HEM and end up in Kerset/Salsa/Me

Hmmm

[Dwlee99]

Oh wait it's one-shot, thank god

[Dwlee99]

Honestly, the vig shot helped me here because it meant one less day I have to exist and a day I don't have the chance of forming associatives with Bambi.

[Dwlee99]

Lol nice trolling t3. We do a little trolling

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee kills Salsa

Also: fast night

[Dwlee99]

Rescind fast night

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee kills Salsa

Confirming this is what is happening tonight

[Dwlee99]

I'm cool with fast night now

[Dwlee99]

What happens if they no-eliminate, I no-kill, and we keep doing that?

[Dwlee99]

Hope that's GG

[Dwlee99]

If it's not then hopefully the complex roaming vigilante doesn't shoot me

[Dwlee99]

I'm good with no redactions

[Dwlee99]

Thanks Bambi <3 you set me up for it