Mini Theme 2217 | Owner's market blitz | Over

[VFP]

Hello, I just won big bucks on the horses and I'm here to spend spend spend!

[VFP]

Lots and lots of buckaroos!

What's the market owner?

[VFP]

HEAL: Alisae

So what am I bidding on?
I used to play in Luckys game modes like this and I'm pretty sure you lost what you bid even if you're out bidded.
Is it the same here?

[VFP]

Sounds good.
I'll give the rules a proper read when I'm home.

[VFP]

I'm not a nerd >:|

[VFP]

If I heal you will that make you feel better?

[VFP]

tl;dr protect the obvtown players that you believe are absolutely town beyond a reasonable doubt and kicking ass. If someone is not kicking ass and is doing nothing, they're not worth protecting. If someone is not absolutely town beyond a reasonable doubt, they're not worth protecting.

You're starting to lose my vote.
Lead better.

[VFP]

2. If they take the doc, they no longer need the hitman

Let's just ignore the other doc role and the BP role I guess.

[VFP]

HEAL: Flea

You lose my support!

[VFP]

Like my approach to the role works for me, I have the results to prove it.

If you think trying to predict the night kill is better than making sure the most important player on the player list to you doesn't die then you're just bad at the game.

It was more to how obvious it was.
X shots I agree don't waste them on predicting. But this isn't a master science plan, it should be meta.
And you keep throwing around that everyone but you is bad. So maybe limming you first here just levels the playing field regardless on your align.

[VFP]

2. If they take the doc, they no longer need the hitman

Let's just ignore the other doc role and the BP role I guess.

Look, if you want to waste your fucking money, be my guest and pray to god that I'm not scum because if I am scum I will punish you for making a mistake like that.
I value the hitman as a low tier item, therefore I will not pay more than what I value the item as.

I have bids on everything. right now the bids are at 10$. If you do not like that, outbid me. I encourage you to do so as outbidding me says that you do not want me to have the item, which therefore generates information and content.

There's a huge difference to valuing it less, and doing what you are doing... down playing scums advantages of getting it.

[VFP]

I treat you all like idiots when it comes to mechanics because when I ran this game no one knew at all how to use their money at all and the only player who even had an idea of what was going on mechanically was Titus. She was the MO in the game I ran and she played extremely well due to how she was able to take a lead and turn it from an inch to a mile mechanically. I was in awe while I was reading her PT.

Also in the last money game that Pooky ran when it came to stocks, I obtained 90% of items for extremely cheap because no one wanted to outbid me, partially because no one understood the setup, and also that no one was bidding, because players on this site don't know how to approach these games.

Let's just stop this now
I joined the game because it looked fun, I like the mod and there's people in the PL I like playing with.
I'm not going to have you just sit here and call everyone an idiot because you weren't told no as a kid.

If you carry on acting like the the players here are beneath you I'll just lock vote you and only push for a policy on you.

If you want to give suggestions, then do it without insulting others, as you obviously have something to offer there.

[VFP]

VOTE: Alisqe

Sure I'll lock vote you here.

[VFP]

Can you explain why you healed Alisae in the first place and then how you chose who to switch to?

I don't want it and Ali's ideas were good.
I'm just not supporting that type of player.

Btw @VFP: Carcalilly is carcasilly

What does this mean?

How would YOU use a doc then?

I didn't disagree with it? It's even in my next post...

Or maybe you should give em a chance to prove themselves since anything advantageous to scum can be reasoned as a scum claim
But nooooo let the blind lead the blind amirite?

What? I'm not going to give that type of player a chance. But I don't see the relevance anyway to what you have posted to what I did.

VFP, why heal Flea and not someone else who was campaigning for themselves?

I like Flea and unless I get a scum read there or I see someone who I like for it, it's staying.

[VFP]

What does this mean?

Turnabout is fair play
I used a rather tame insult towards you to confirm myself to Carcalilly in a game once, so now that you’re back I’m doing the reverse but just for funsies

I still don't get what you mean here?
What game?

[VFP]

It was called You’ve Got Mail

I wasn't in that game.
I think you have the wrong person.

[VFP]

Just don't say how much you spend.
As soon as scum know who has spent their money it can influence the kill.

[VFP]

Weekend stuff.

UNVOTE: Gamma

Kitty may be scum for multiple reasons. I'll think when I'm on.

[VFP]

Does redacted mean it was over 500?

[VFP]

So did you pick all 4 options, SSBM?

[VFP]

So did you pick all 4 options, SSBM?

didnt ssbm_kyouko already say what they chose o-o

Well they said that they brought grave digger in.
So I wasn't sure if they only bring 1 in or can being all 4 and was happy with the other 3.

[VFP]

Enhanced is different to bringing in though.

[VFP]

No?
I want to know if the other 3 roles had to used today or if SSBM could replace all 4 roles with a different role?

[VFP]

I don't understand it.
I was just going to say that SSBM is most likely town, but if they picked the 4 roles then that's a townlock.

[VFP]

I'm also happy to put everyone on the Kitty wagon as town.
Scum looked dis organised or just absent to not move over to me or even try else where.

[VFP]

So that leaves (removing Cyrus as I think town).

mastina
Cupcake
Mistyx
marci

[VFP]

Gylyx doesn't do a VC on a flip normally I think.

VOTE: MistyxVOTE:

I also don't think Marci is scum here.

[VFP]

I get to enhance 4 roles which makes them 400% more likely (I think this means 5x as likely but the setup may be worded incorrectly) to appear. I enhanced the 1-shot BP and also enhanced the 3 2-shot roles that appeared today. The 1-shot AD came in with it's normal chance, but I wanted it for tomorrow because it only.gives the most recent day of history. Both ADs the same day means unless the winner holds on to a shot they'll be looking at who bought the other AD potentially which is a but of a waste imo. Thought they'd be better staggered because then the second shot would line up with the 1-shot and we'd have 2 detectives looking at toMorrows bids when the player pool is reduced more

Ah, got it.
Thats for confirming. I actually thought by enhance you made it better.

Regardless I think the 4 we got are really strong for this early in the game.

[VFP]

I've only played with Nancy once (it was a Pooky Nora Nancy hydra) and I was Paranoid that they were bussing scum come late game.
I was wrong though and they flipped town.

Outside of that, I have no experience that I at least remember.

[VFP]

I was about to take credit for making scum crumble!
Then I realised my vote didn't go through.

[VFP]

Unless the scum team is exactly me, Gamma, and Kitty, scum Gamma has no reason to stay on Kitty instead of moving over to me.

[VFP]

Why are scum going to lim their own when they can lim else where regardless if that player is going to get the chop?
There's no credit expected in those situations because as you said, they get caught soon.

It's also the fact Kitty had 4 votes to my 2.
So unless as I said me and Gamma are the last scum or both scum were already voting me (doubtful) there's no harm to move over and try to get the swap over.

[VFP]

No one should be claiming what they did and didn't get.

[VFP]

No one should be claiming what they did and didn't get.

We haven’t yet but why not?

Because if town wins anything from day 1 it just shows who has it, and who has spent money...

And yes, people have already said.

[VFP]

I was about to take credit for making scum crumble!
Then I realised my vote didn't go through.

Gylyx doesn't do a VC on a flip normally I think.

VOTE: MistyxVOTE:

I also don't think Marci is scum here.

Hmmm . . .

@VFP I would think that if your alleged vote on Kitty didn’t actually go through, you would have either made it a point of correctly voting Misty or clarifying that it wasn’t a real vote but a placeholder. It would be an extremely strange vote even if it was real but this makes me think, you’re trying to convince us that you really did vote for Kitty when you didn’t.

They replaced so I was waiting.
But was has Kitty got to do with me voing Misty?

[VFP]

VOTE: VFP

I think you’re right and the fake vote on Misty looks extremely sus to me, especially after claiming his Kitty vote didn’t go through.

No, I was talking about my vote on Misty, not Kitty...

[VFP]

ive never played with flea before im pretty sure
if i was scum vfp would be dead tho

i like the vfp vote
VOTE: vfp

Why would I be dead?

[VFP]

So I'm E1 because scum do what they do every game and call me town.
I agree I didn't get on to action but I even went against Kitty for calling me town for the reasoning was obviously faked.

[VFP]

I don't get the argument?
Because I mis typed while on phone I'm lying about making a vote?

To make it clear, I did not vote Kitty and I'm not saying I attempted to.

I am saying I missed 1 character from the Misty vote.
I'm not sure what the scum benefit to show my interest of voting Misty while not is there.
I can be scum in your PoV, but let's not pretend that me missing "/" is alignment indicated in anyway possible.

I also think I self vote at E1 there with hope that lack of bids go through as scum?

[VFP]

VOTE: Something Smart

Welcome friend.

[VFP]

i think distance being confrontational out of the gate is >rand town

VOTE: VFP
HEAL: Mistyx

idk what the current vc is but this is where im leaning

i dont think VFP has really done anything towny and didnt like their handling of gamma post rep in

This is just most likely scum.
Misty doesn't mention Kitty at all, considering they were the leading wagon and makes a new vote for 2 reasons.

I havent done anything towny. Its not exactly wrong, but it's very vague when you consider that this means Misty was playing Kitty off as doing something as town, yet again, not mentioning Kitty.

And they didn't like my handling of Gamma post joining. This is again very vague and doesn't actually make sense considering I hadn't really handled anything other than a back and fourth about a game I wasn't in.

The main part though is having to say that they do not know where the VC is at. If they feel I'm scum here then I don't see a reason to announce this. To say that I I haven't done anything town means that they are either A) caught up and have a general idea that I didn't have votes or at least any in a threatening way, or B) only read my ISO instead of the game which would suggest not scum hunting but looking for reasons to give a scum read.
It seems like a way to distract that Kitty has 4 votes and that they want to start a wagon.


Following on, Kitty doesn't mention Misty and I think 281 is just all town.

Neither Misty or Kitty mention Mastina.
Mastina mentions Mist and places as town several times, but I feel like this has to be locked in given the fina post to date.

167 where Misty is added to the town pile for the following.
44 100 105 112 124 135 149
These posts are either fluff or filler. At best this isn't something that credits a top 4 town read.
Not to mention 161 is an indication of Mastina catching up and already pushing Misty for town posts with only 2 posts that are irrelevant to AI.

I think the only reason Kitty wasn't in this post is because at this point Kitty only had 1 post. 11

Second post is 483 not much to this but just another post to call Misty town with nothing to offer why.
517 even says here that there's no reason. It's a strong read to still be sticking with since mastina also claimed to not have received the cop before this.
Then 526 where mastina is basically getting ready to back peddle if needed. It's a strange thought to have when Misty is apparently that towny. As if trying to get in before anyone else can about the replace out.

Mastinas argument to why Flea was killed makes little sense in general and just comes across as a "I wouldn't kill here, please believe me". Its just too direct that particular players would make an unworthy kill (again, trying to imply the kill wasn't a good one for experienced players) or that Flea was a threat. It just contradicts itself. Either Flea is a threat and therefore worthy of killing or the kill was a bad choice.
We also see that mastina was absent majority of day 1 with only 3 posts. So it could easily just suggest that Misty makes the kill and mastina just wasn't there for the kill.
I find it even stranger that Mastina considers me a player who doesn't care about having input with the kill. Again it just seems to be a precise situation where Mastina is trying to throw mud and see if it sticks.

I'm just calling it now, scum are Kitty, SS/Misty, and Mastina.
Do what you will with it.

[VFP]

Hot take: Smoke and Mirrors vs ssbm is tvt.

[VFP]

VOTE: Something Smart

Gypyx you have SS down as Misty.

[VFP]

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.

The cyrus wagon was a joke.

[VFP]

when people town read the above.

[VFP]

I'm also really pinged by 957. I've played with town VFP recently and I feel like sniping like that is not who he is.

Ew

[VFP]

SSBM, why did you have to go and use false meta on me? :<
The second thing that scum attenp to do to me every game.
I would have been happy with my solve but now I'm adding you to the pool and have to think.

[VFP]

You should know better than I don't just sit down to false meta

[VFP]

For the record, this has nothing with voting me or scum reading me otherwise I'd have argued before.

I was actually preparing my lim and already placed what I have on the ninja.
But before I go, I'm going to officially put me and SSBM into guaranteed scum within us.
I'll look through later and say as I need to but oh boy is that slip up actually pretty big here!

[VFP]

And you're doubling down to say I wasn't snippy or posted like 957
Because I see a few on a skim read only.

Are we going for this then? 100% scum in me or you, yes?
Or both...

[VFP]

I'm okay to commit to this. Every game scum has used meta against me, it's false.
So I'm good with putting SSBM into the dirt on my town flip like the filthy scum they are!

[VFP]

VOTE: SSBM

don't run away from me! You fake meta scum user >:|

[VFP]

Every game scum has used meta against me, it's false.

Is this also true if flipped around? How often have you seen town use false meta on you (presumably by accident)?

I think once? And that's only because I can't think of any so I'm being generous. Very rarely.
Town have had logical reasoning to my meta even if wrong on me. Being wrong even with meta isn't the scummy part, lying about it is.

SSBM out right lied here, not just read comments from me wrong. And if SSBM isn't lying, then they never focused on my posting in that game and therefore using an un checked meta read to try and push me as scum. Regardless, it's a naughty naughty moment from SSBM.
And I'm happy to drag them down with me.

[VFP]

On a town flip will you lim SSBM tomorrow for using fake meta?
I'm telling you now. Scum will 1 call me town every game, and 2 use fake meta on me.

I call this out every single time and I'm always right.

[VFP]

Yes that, SSBM is saying I do not make comments like that as town. In out last game I made snarky comments like that.
As I said, SSBM has fucked up here and pushed a fake meta read on someone who calls it out.

Let me ask you Marci, if SSBM is town, then why are they not killed as the MO?
Of course, this means little with a flip from me. If I flip scum then my comments are irrelevant. If I flip town, then my view is genuine and SSBM is scum, and very strange to not have been killed.

[VFP]

VOTE: SSBM

don't run away from me! You fake meta scum user >:|

I'm not running I started a new job yesterday, I just reread 2213 when you said I was using fake meta, in case I had remembered wrong. I didn't see anything like that snipish remark in that game. What posts remind you on a skim?

And S_S I will double check for you, iirc I did BP, JK, and both 1 and 2 shot trackers. Shit luck to have hit ninja but better than daykill

Let's not try and play off the snark in that comment to these.
I love that you're actually trippling down after that too. I still declare that there is q00% scum in us. Do you, SSBM?

I too believe that making 3 posts on a suspected player is a scum read.

Imagine if this was factually true.
I'd be impressed then.

[VFP]

VFP I have to say this to get it off my chest: your avatar bothers me, for personal reasons

Why so?
I was going to see if anyone on the site makes avatars on commission but I wouldn't know where to start.

[VFP]

i think if thats the meta case, then its not good then. i think i remember seeing u act like that before

Exactly this.
SsBM was looking for a reason and picked the wrong one.
It probably could have been anything else and I'd have just kept SS and mastina scum team and just move on.

SSBM fucked up, and I'm going to cash in on it!

[VFP]

I'd say SS
Although I'm not convinced both scum jump to me to save Kitty.

[VFP]

Is S_S scum for those reasons as well?

What reasons?

[VFP]

The calling you town thing

No that was from Kitty.
Being called town after I point it out is irrelevant.

SS hasn't done anything that makes me scum or town read them. It's all from Misty.

[VFP]

So we're agreed that there's 100% scum in us?

[VFP]

both of mastina's cases on VFP are well reasoned

Well thats hardly true.
The foundation is because I make sense to kill Flea there. There's no backing to that at all and majority if not all players know here know that attempted reasons to why someone died is 95% wrong.

[VFP]

Typical, SSBM won't say that there's 100% scum within us. Sounded so sure just before!
We got ourselves a scummy mcscum bag over here!

And most people know I'll always trade for scum, so I'm not worried about being the lim here, as long as you are the next lim on a town flip tomorrow.

[VFP]

That's a lie.

[VFP]

That's a lie.

I didnt realize you had access to my PMs

Your eye twitches when you lie.

[VFP]

So are you lying or are you scum? Why do you scumread Misty?

Lying about what?
And I already posted on Misty. At least pretend to be reading the game.

[VFP]

It doesn't matter who the scum buddies are if Kitty doesn't make the bid.
Plausible it's down to experience / availability but there's nothing to suggest that since Kitty hadn't posted for a small while.

Scum probably thought they could get the lim away from Kitty still.

[VFP]

If they die without gaining the item, yet hve the highest bid that would be strange, and in that sense would the highest bid go to an alive player.

But it's an interesting question to know.

[VFP]

Lying about there 100% being scum between us. Why are you scumreading Misty slot?

Lol wut? Scum trolling because caught I guess?
598

[VFP]

I mean, we can play this dance.
But let's not back out that there's scum in us.

Not only did you try and save Kitty you also haven't been killed by scum even though town you would be an optimal kill.
This part is very important for everyone to remember on my town flip.

[VFP]

What you have? So you have a number other than 500? Meaning that you took one of

No I bid 500 exactly, what I have. It's interesting that you built another narrative to suit though. Maybe you should think about that for a moment.


Also can we talk about SSBM backing off now because I called them out as scum?
Without my flip there's no merit to what I'm saying about them swapping wagons and still being alive.
What town minded player sits there with comments like "VFP is scum" or "Caught for the wrong reasons" to just vote else where?
Let's just think about that one for a second.

[VFP]

No way the cyrus wagon is all town.

The cyrus wagon was a joke.

S_S wagon was/is a joke since I have meta on him and this is his town game but continue to ignore that, Both you and Imaginality are.

You have meta? Ah shit I guess it's mod confirmed.
Nice try though. You will be towns down fall this game.

[VFP]

Then vote me.
I've already clarified I've bid what I have on the Ninja role.
You being wrong works better to be shown on me rather than Imaginality for multiple reasons.

Let's not give it the talk if you aren't going to move your vote back to me.
And again, let's not let off that SSBM did a strange swap off me even though I'm scum to them.

[VFP]

Misty didn’t do anything scummy.

[VFP]

No, I will be town’s hero.

If I’m wrong about you, then vote Imaginality but I bet neither of you will vote the other one out.

I'd honestly just rather be the lim today instead on doing some pointless shit on a town flip from Imaginality.
At least then everything I have said can be taken as geniuen and has probability to it.

I'll self vote if that helps you pick me?
As I said, I already accepted my lim today and even if I'm kept around I'm useless to purchase for town and useless to draw a NK.
If even 50% chance that I flip scum for people, I'm really the optimal lim here.

Imaginality town more than not though.

[VFP]

If you really believe Kyuku is scum, then vote Imaginality because that is the only possible slot that even makes sense as a possible Kyouku buddy. He was totally willing to let SS hang yesterday until I pushed the Cyrus switch, so suggesting that Kyouku and SS are buddies makes 0 sense.

If you refuse to vote Imaginality, I’m going to assume I’m correct on the two of you being buddies.

Ew

[VFP]

You’re pushing Kyouku as scum with a slot he was fine with dying yesterday before I flipped the votes. Are you even reading your own posts?

Yes, I'm reading.
I've also stated my doubt to them as scum together. ARE YOU READING?

[VFP]

VOTE: imaginality

I'm over it.
This game has had the most awkward scum reads on me from missing "/" In a post to only I kill Flea.

Remember I bid, 500 on ninja so an outbid means scum get this and suncecim never the NK I'll just confirm tomorrow.

I'm sure I'm just bussing scum here now though or some other thing, then a green flip I was tmi.

[VFP]

Let me ask you Marci, if SSBM is town, then why are they not killed as the MO?

Is killing the MO that much of a priority for scum?

Yes. Town SSBM MO is a priority kill here with what is being claimed as enhanced to why.
What kind of question is this? Just to look busy?

[VFP]

Correct.

[VFP]

So unless town wanted to save 1 coin which would be strange, the godfather looks to be scum trying to convince town to spend 500 on a role that currently has no effect (I would hope so).

[VFP]

Beyond that: I genuinely believe that VFP's comment towards 'what he has left' may have been a scumslip of him not having the 500 that a town player would have.

I never said what I have left.
I said what I have.

I'm just making that clear now.

[VFP]

then a green flip I was tmi.

if I’m wrong on Imaginality, then it could be a tmi from VFP.

[VFP]

No, more because I'm past caring how this day goes.

[VFP]

UNVOTE: Imaginality

[VFP]

Who's dying?

[VFP]

VOTE: CB

[VFP]

If I vote CB it's scummy, if I don't it's scummy

I know that feeling, friend.

[VFP]

Also he only fakeclaims rb as scum if he knows another scum got it. That could have been kitty again if you are his partner.

Or if a dead town got it and they checked the dead town if they won the right tools?

[VFP]

At least we find out if scum feel that they are in a position to not be tracked.

[VFP]

If we get a scum flip I will roleblock Something_Smart.

[VFP]

Gamma should be lock town after the GF bid

[VFP]

I used my ninja power last night

[VFP]

VOTE: SSBM

[VFP]

People shouldn't be spending 301 on hitman when there's a day vig tomorrow.

[VFP]

Fair enough, then there is reason.

[VFP]

This game is just a loss then.

[VFP]

VFP, why did you use the Ninja power last night and why bother announcing it this morning?

VOTE: VFP

Why not?

[VFP]

Why to not use it: you have no powers to hide if you're town, so using it provides no benefit to you
Why to not declare you used it: there is no town reason to use the power, as stated above, so declaring you used it right away looks like trying to preempt any results a tracker/watcher might claim.

What kind of logic is this that I'm preempting a result from a tracker or watcher?
If I'm scum it's going to be the same result to if I'm town

But then again, let's face it, even town haven't been providing actual reasons for scum this game, so I think you're all good, and it's actually not the most ridicules thing said so far.

[VFP]

I'll just make this my last post since I won't get on for end of day anyway.

Gamma and Mastina are basically locktown.
I believe SS here and most likely town. Midday watcher was cheap, so I doubt scum went too high here expecting a 500 bid.
Smoke and Mirrors is more or less town, just lost.

That leaves SSBM, who is scum.
Then work out the last one between Marci and imaginality.
I'd favour Marci who was most likely blocked from killing. Marci was less likely to be tracked than SSBM (although plausible to watch)
You can argue that imaginality SSBM/imaginality kill Marci, but with a town watcher in this situation, I doubt that ever happens.

Someone who "knows" Marci's scum game, I'd say it's probably this.

Either listen to me and win, or just do what you have been doing all game and lose.
If I flip town, of course.

No, I will be town’s hero.