Newbie 2069: Summertime [game over!]

[Cabd]

Yes hi that is me I am the Cabd.

Some of you know me. Some of you have sore buts from just getting stomped by me and are probably sharpening your sticks in the mafia PT to gain revenge once you're done with your math homework.

[Cabd]

Noraa confirmed scum for not already having made six ranting wallposts at me since I replaced in.

[Cabd]

Oh wow, actually noraa's TRYING this game instead of just being a *points at her title*

Shit, maybe I can't brutally suppress her into the ground a third time in a row, she could be town for once.

Also just in case my slot is voting.

UNVOTE:

[Cabd]

I dont see town ita repping out here. I feel bad reading into a rep out but no, ita and I are literal besties. he wouldn't just ditch me.

This is the second time in as many day phases that I get to chastise you for making statements proven false with two clicks into an ISO. Lucky me.

[Cabd]

(Italyboy replaced out of all games site-wide, has nothing to do with the power of friendship and weird angleshoot from you :/)

[Cabd]

I dont see town ita repping out here. I feel bad reading into a rep out but no, ita and I are literal besties. he wouldn't just ditch me.

This is the second time in as many day phases that I get to chastise you for making statements proven false with two clicks into an ISO. Lucky me.

Oh I do not care what you say. if you don't TR me, you're scum. Even if you TR me, you still have to prove you're town to me so you better start sharpening your sticks in the scum pt.

...did you not read my four posts?

Am I being punk'd?

I literally called you my first townread.

[Cabd]

Oh wow, actually

noraa

's TRYING this game instead of just being a *points at her title*

Shit, maybe I can't brutally suppress her into the ground a third time in a row,

she could be town

for once.

Also just in case my slot is voting.

UNVOTE:

[Cabd]

For the record, I did replace in because I saw you and GrandpaMo in the player list on page one, but didn't read anything else about the game, or have any opinions on any slot, let alone yours.

[Cabd]

PURE PARANOIA
you don't understand

A: You're never gonna have to worry about me this game, you'll see.
B: I've dealt with ffery doing this since you were like... five years old. I'll manage, I'm a big boy.

[Cabd]

Cabdrivers is literally one of the best mafia players on site

Xenoblade and Yggdra are in the corner, crying.

[Cabd]

Let me know when you're done with the side show then?

[Cabd]

Like I literally already told my mason buddy to be willing to vote me just like last time just for you~ /s

[Cabd]

But yeah getting there. Right now is introduce the two new kittens to our existing older lady cat time.


There will probably be pics on pet with a name.

[Cabd]

? I replaced in and literally skimmed your iso immediately before posting anything else to be ready to mess with you as soon as possible.

Doesn't mean I've read the entire game. Just a skim of you.


I was grandpa mo's first newbie game mod.

[Cabd]

Okay, tomorrow, sorry noraa.

I just neosporined up my arms, belly, and palms, Kittens did NOT want to stay still and felt the need to inform me dangerously.

[Cabd]

Here. On mobile but here and finally reading up. Greetings from the basement of my house, thanks to mr. Tornado warning.


Noraa we gonna move on or do you want to make another twenty paranoia spiral posts at me first?

[Cabd]

:/ on one hand, easiest townread ever repped out before I could mess with her some more.

On the other hand, fairly-certain-it's-town ydra!

[Cabd]

You'll have to figure that one out on your own, spoilers are no fun.

[Cabd]

Cabd have you read yet?

I am now!

We had guests come in from out of town.

[Cabd]

Cabd, did I poke scum to the point of illogical flailing, or just piss off a newbie?

Finishing my read-up but I'm torn if Roden makes sense as the Ilwee partner.

I guess uh spoiler alert about scumread primero uno.

[Cabd]

My hesitation on Roden here is that there was like one or two posts that are REALLY hard to see as coming from a partner.

Still working on a formal reads list but real time is great for me to get engaged, let me go find them.

[Cabd]

I think this should be brought up. I noticed this but if Illwei has a mafia partner, they're either intentionally not helping them, or they don't have a partner at all.

NM it was this post by strange matter, but yeah still if Roden is mafia with illwee it's like a turbobus of the century.

And I'm pretty sure it's just Ilwee here.

[Cabd]

To me, Roden reads as somebody incredibly frustrated by the game and people's perception, and determined to feel heard and validated, damn the torpedoes.

[Cabd]

illwei had a really good post early on that i feel is uh, pretty hard for a new player to make as scum. what's the reason they're scumread?

Please unpack this more before i go completely Xenossil cabd on him?

[Cabd]

Okay so yeah after initial catch up I'm somewhere around here-ish:

The Town

Ydrasse
The Bulge
Roden

The Lean Town

StrangeMatter

Real Time Interaction Data Gathering Needed (Nulls ish)

GrandpaMo
piisirrational

The Not Town

Illwei

[Cabd]

I'm reminded very strongly of Duchess v Green Crayons in 2195

I am unfamiliar with this lore. Link it?

[Cabd]

Thanks will deep dive on my lunch break.

[Cabd]

I'm reminded very strongly of Duchess v Green Crayons in 2195

I am unfamiliar with this lore. Link it?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

duchess is me which Im sure you knew

Didn't know that, actually.

I see where you might find parallels, but I am going to stick to my gut-guns sand say this isn't the same scenario here.

The self righteousness here comes off as town to me, and it'll take a lot to shake me on that read.

Your trying makes me happy that I have you both in the green tier, although I doubt you'll kiss and make up.

I miss Noraa, trolling her was fun and yggdra is so srsbsns.

[Cabd]

:/

[Cabd]

My points stands but is kind of unnecessary now.

[Cabd]

Like I know i have a tendency to over-read cheekyness, but that was SO town it.. yeah.

In a 3P with you and that slot I'd hammer you three times over.

[Cabd]

GrandpaMo
piisirrational

Hi folks I miss you plz come visit papa cabd.

[Cabd]

cabd u were one of my mod -- is there a specific reason of me im intrigued now

This one?

I ALWAYS enjoy getting to moderate a new player then join them in a game down the line. it means I didn't fuck up modding so badly that you left the site screaming in terror.

[Cabd]

Yeah I was watching from the nosebleed seats the whole time. Yours is one of the many examples that my "unknown newbie town model" has figured into it for this kind of righteous indignation.

[Cabd]

I feel like Pii is indidually towny, but with Illwee -- they seem scummy.

I have a question (anyone can answer this) ... How do I as town, approach a sitatuion for this? Do I overall townread them because they had posts that showed their towniess? Or do I scumread them overall, because associative with Illwee -- they could have been just sheeping me to follow a bus on them.

Can I see what pings you as a possibility of those two being scum together?

Can you rephrase your question? Or explain what you mean? Because I am having a hard time understanding this.

Can you please point out what makes it seem like they are sheeping you into a bus?

I don't think I will say now.

I don't have a reason to say it now.

Is that okay? Or are you going to force me say it smh.

I just had a question -- since I am interacting with you now.

Do you agree or disagree? Or you don't have the info to tell.

Sorry to wade into this line of questioning but would it perhaps be better to reserve this for AFTER ilway flips?

[Cabd]

I feel like Pii is indidually towny, but with Illwee -- they seem scummy.

I have a question (anyone can answer this) ... How do I as town, approach a sitatuion for this? Do I overall townread them because they had posts that showed their towniess? Or do I scumread them overall, because associative with Illwee -- they could have been just sheeping me to follow a bus on them.

Can I see what pings you as a possibility of those two being scum together?

Can you rephrase your question? Or explain what you mean? Because I am having a hard time understanding this.

Can you please point out what makes it seem like they are sheeping you into a bus?

I don't think I will say now.

I don't have a reason to say it now.

Is that okay? Or are you going to force me say it smh.

I just had a question -- since I am interacting with you now.

Do you agree or disagree? Or you don't have the info to tell.

Sorry to wade into this line of questioning but would it perhaps be better to reserve this for AFTER ilway flips?

Why do you think I didn't want to say it

Are we having the same thought or were you just thinking of something else similar lol

Probably a mix of both instances, here.

[Cabd]

Also are you like hard set on Illwee? Cna you explain why?

I am fairly set on Ilway yeah.

Uh, do you mind if I answer your question with some reading homework?

[Cabd]

Also are you like hard set on Illwee? Cna you explain why?

I am fairly set on Ilway yeah.

Uh, do you mind if I answer your question with some reading homework?

If you truly hate yourself to a masochistic level, here's some reading homework, dual ISO myself and sircakez.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949

Or, if you EXTRA hate your free time, read this one:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12791300

(Morph the cat is a hydra of myself and fferyllt, who you may have seen around a bit)

[Cabd]

The TLDR if you wish to preserve your sanity is that sometimes, i get my hooks into a REALLY good read, and become fairly determined. As this is a newbie game what i'm NOT going to do is shout and bully my way to getting it, as I am willing to do in a large theme full of veterans that would have the confidence to tell me to shove it up my arse, spiky end first.

[Cabd]

:/ Why must you make such terrible posts after I town read you, Strange?

I told you this is the universe punking me, isn't it?

[Cabd]

That post reads like you're chaining a lim onto grandpappy and know that ilway is gonna flip green.

And i mean it's just as likely poor phrasing but look at what you've done to my beautiful townread of you.

[Cabd]

:/ Why must you make such terrible posts after I town read you, Strange?

I told you this is the universe punking me, isn't it?

lol i thought the same thing --

Am I completely off base with 468?

[Cabd]

cabd/Mo scumteam solved it

you may just be tstbs

I'm having issues finding a team that doesn't include ilway on it is the issue.

Like on one hand yeah, that's cute but otoh where the heck is scum if he's town. In my green reads? Yellows? You're quickly rising out of yellow and I'm running out of places I can scumread. Too many townreads. I guess I gotta raise the bar to let people into my heart lest some of them cut their way out?

[Cabd]

There are only approximately two real-life days left in the deadline although I'm assuming we're going to get at least somewhat of an extension due to the new replacement request from Rodin and potentially if anybody else doesn't show back up in the deadline of their prods. Apologies in advance for any typos that may occur I am using the voice to text function of my phone while driving between client sites at work.

I am rereading each ISO and trying to determine if I still feel great about it if I had them in my green reads before and the only one I've done so far which is the Nora slot I absolutely still feel great about and if she has scum she has evolved her scum game tremendously within a day span of when I absolutely stomped the ever-loving shit out of her last week in yggdraaial.

[Cabd]

The grandfather of the lawn mower is rapidly rising which means that I probably need to be reevaluating the other green names. I got a very small amount of borktel off of bulge but I'm not really sold but that tell applies to everyone as opposed to a very specific subset of personalities and play styles I guess it's time to go do some homework and see if bulges ever done the bork tell before as scum

[Cabd]

Lady of the Year draw would you mind going ahead and unpacking your case to get me out of what is going to be a very polite but very focused tunnel onto Mr illway here.

[Cabd]

You're telling me that one of the newest and shiniest rising Stars of the game subs in to a nearly confirmed town to me slot? I need to go buy some lottery tickets!

[Cabd]

I originally replaced into this game to mess with Nora but this is very much a welcome advancement to my willpower to be heavily invested in this game.

[Cabd]

No I'm not sure if we're getting a deadline extension or not but regardless if you want to catch up Luke I would say the fastest way to do it would be taking a look at the illway slot and the voters on that wagon as most of day one has revolved around that other than a slap fight between your predecessor and Nora who is now lady you drastic

[Cabd]

It is not perfectly accurate I have made notes denoting people moving up or down mostly grandpa has moved up into the tier of the greens from the yellows and I think bulge is actually going to be moving down pending some meta homework I have about the bork tell

[Cabd]

Once again you'll have to forgive any typos I am typing with my voice while going approximately 60 mph down interstate 294

[Cabd]

It would actually be more accurate to say I have yet to really explain any of my reads. I had intended to but unfortunately the on-call alarm decided otherwise this week thankfully my shift expires tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. Central Time and then I will not have the alarm bells going off depriving me of any ability to sit at a desk or more than about 30 minutes at a time.

My very original plan was to try and find an anchor this game such as Nora and use a conversational style to develop my reads into words I do this quite a bit in smaller games it's why for me when it comes to games that don't have a ton of people that I know in them I look for one or two solid anchors that I can use that way.

I'm pretty sure you just volunteered yourself to be that person this game. Let's just hope it's more like the unwind game or the Xenoblade game then those normal games that I was absolute trash at because I could never get engaged even with one or two people I knew around

[Cabd]

Ill way weigh feels like scum in the generic newbie model that morph has developed over the years and I know that probably makes sense to nobody other than myself and her and I should probably unpack that statement when I get home to a keyboard and a mouse but suffice to say there's certain markers that we look for in a unknown player that is drawn scum either for the first time on the site or even possibly the first time ever or is just unfamiliar or unconfident in the alignment and this slot hits most if not all of them

[Cabd]

That model is going to be incredibly difficult to accurately describe while driving so I'm not going to even try until I'm home and settled in for the night instead I can talk about the bork till which is absolutely easy to describe while driving via voice to text.

The bork tell in its purest form is this: a player who is widely scum red and incredibly likely to be eliminated during the day phase is suddenly revealed to be either confirmed town or incredibly likely town by way of moderator action or some sort of town investigative or by revealing themselves as innocent child or friendly neighbor. The scum player then has visible frustration in the tone of their posting reassurance in the game thread that their scum read was valid. Depending on the personality of the player they may additionally try to salvage the ability to scum read the slot. Regardless the slot never dies and scum stays salty

[Cabd]

As for how it applies this game I really hope that I don't need to spell it out for anyone but just in case I'm clearly referring to the slot that Luke now occupies and the manner in which the range quit happened as well as the fact that I started town reading the slot when I came in and the reaction from the bulge. My issue here is that I'm not sure that bulge qualifies as the type of player who is susceptible to this tell and I'm going to have to do my homework to run some scum games if any exist or this happened to him in the past.

[Cabd]

The best examples of this tell in the wild both belong to its namesake in the mini normal by the now-band player whose name I forget if you ego search me you should see plenty of normal games but find the one that has both me and fork in it or just wait till I get home I can link it. And the other one also by its namesake is the illicit substances many theme game ran by Nacho Mama 8 in both of those games the exact tell went down pretty much exactly as described but I had not yet realized that the tell was a tell and so in one case he got away with it and in the other case he got POEd

[Cabd]

Must you continue to sink my townread with every post?

[Cabd]

cabd has done very little as far as direct action

I did cover this?

[Cabd]

No, I mean I explicitly stated I wasn't going fire and brimstone because this is a newbie and Xenocabd isn't welcome in this queue.

I had HOPED that ilway would notice I hadn't done much and would engage me on it, but here we are with that blown up by multiple players so whatever.

[Cabd]

I was asking yggdrasae to explain why she felt ilway was town. My uh. Syntax is limited when driving. Voice to text tends to butcher a lot of things.

[Cabd]

not sure how I feel about cabd totally ignoring me

Not sure how I feel about my palm being shoved so far up by face it's coming out my eyeballs.

[Cabd]

Oh, probably just the little tiny itty bitty thing where you randomly PR claimed out of nowhere and inserted chaos into the day for no realistic gains.

[Cabd]

Still at work or rather driving home from work but what is done is done. Now I have to sit down and decide what I want to do with this mess. I guess Pat on my back for being good at reading the grandfather man.

[Cabd]

Going to reiterate what Luke just said we really need a response before we can start dropping resolutions.

[Cabd]

Even if you're both kidding you have done serious harm to the nature of a semi-open setup and you're causing movements in the waters that you normally hide folks to stir up and become potentially exposed. Sit down and time out and think about what you've done. No kibble or soup for you.

[Cabd]

Single word answer yes or no be explicitly clear.

Are you retracting your counterclaim Yes or no

[Cabd]

DGB rule very rapidly starting to apply here....

[Cabd]

I am so annoyed at you right now but I'm going to go sit on my hands and not type the first or second response that I wanted to give to you right now but filter it down about the third or fourth try that's slightly less toxic.

[Cabd]

Okay, let's sit down and go over the repercussions of what you chucklefucks just did.

The job of a VT in a semi-open setup is to town it up and be a smokescreen for the PRs to do their night duties. You just rolled an industrial grade dehumidifier into the room instead.

I see four possibilities here, none of them are great for us.

A: One of you is mafia and the other is the town cop, who is now soft un-ccing to try and NOT make it obvious, but since the other dude is mafia, mafia now has a road map to the win.

B: Both of you are mafia and this is 500 IQ play to completely WIFOM the ever loving fuck out of us after we eliminate one of you the other gets treated as town. This is nigh impossible though because massclaim happens from the real town PR or PRs and you die in a fire before endgame.

C: You are both actually tehehehehehe masons who decided to "fuck with the game to drive reactions" and now just fucking blew it and gave scum their nightkill path to endgame.

D: You're both town non-PRS and are playing with extremely large lit fuse sticks of dynamite stuck up our collective ass because you hate playing to your wincon.

Now, throwing out B we have to look at A/C/D... Unless we're in C, we have to eliminate within you two because we can't risk it being A, so if it's "D" you just fucking threw.

[Cabd]

You just gave me meta homework :/

Not seeing it in a quick skim of completed towngames. I certainly don't recall anything of this sort of behavior in the one I modded.

[Cabd]

If we are in both are town then I have to accept two players on MY team are throwing for the lulz and that's a really sad pill to swallow.

[Cabd]

If we are in both are town then I have to accept two players on MY team are throwing for the lulz and that's a really sad pill to swallow.

why are you so lamist-y

That was actually a post I've always wanted to make outside of morph instead of inside of it. Indulge me a little.

[Cabd]

I want bimble more today

LLD-Deal level of want it?

[Cabd]

I can also compare her brief scumstint in Yggdrasil favorably.

I'd be interested in hearing what parts of the Noraa ISO you dislike.

[Cabd]

Yeah that answer suffices.

[Cabd]

oh i forgot this game was newbie LOL

Can you guess what one fact makes me really squint hardly and lose a few brain cells trying to believe this?

[Cabd]

Replacing into this game through the normal replacement method is impossible. You expliclty sought out the newbie queue where the replacement request was located... You forgot it immediately? Despite it being a newbie being discussed by several players? I mean I've gotta take that to mean you aren't reading posts and uh.

[Cabd]

cabd why do you scumread Illwei i.e. please explain the generic newbie scum model

also your read on bimble would be good

Yeah sure give me a few.

I'm mobile right now at the dinner table.

[Cabd]

If I use the term "2020 scumteam" without sarcasm tags will you self immolate? If so go get some burn gel before I start talking in earnest.

[Cabd]

Replacing into this game through the normal replacement method is impossible. You expliclty sought out the newbie queue where the replacement request was located... You forgot it immediately? Despite it being a newbie being discussed by several players? I mean I've gotta take that to mean you aren't reading posts and uh.

i didnt replace and 3 part is like half true

unless u arent talking me then sorry

I uh. Sit corrected. Could have sworn you replaced in? It does show you as a replacement but the predecessor never posted. Did you get stolen from the queue instead of being actively replacing in?

[Cabd]

GrandpaMo replaces gray.

in the future, please do not post until i announce the replacement.

Wtf you are a replacement dude.

Says so right there.

[Cabd]

That

I am both humbled and insulted.

[Cabd]

I think if cabd weren't cabd I would probably be TRing him

in the same way that sometimes if skitt weren't skitt I'd TR her

If I ever get off my lazy ass and fix my wiki I'll be back for this.

Bucket.

[Cabd]

lylo

Can we use something less charged like XYLIM instead, por favor?

Be the change you want to see.

[Cabd]

What I'm hearing is this game needs to turn out more like mini normal 2191/2181 or large normal 232 where I continue to shit the bed and be an apathetic fuck to reset my paranoia stars.

Sadly, I like you all and am not currently in enough of a slump to do that to myself.

[Cabd]

You know the thing about third times and enemy action? You're killing me.

[Cabd]

Okay so it's like 10PM, where the hell did today go.

Ilway was pinging the part of our tell that is about seeking validation while also rolling over to die instead of fighting and standing up for themselves. I'm sorry I don't have time before bed to actually unpack this, I will try my best to do so in the morning but it's bedtime for the family. Tomorrow looms dangerously, including a damn data center ticket.

It's not enough at this point, given enw data, to stand in the way of anyone else's stronger convictions. Just don't forget about it entirely.

[Cabd]

Sorry friendos and enemy-os alike.

Don't get old, it sucks.

[Cabd]

Yeah... you basically just summarized what I slept on.

VOTE: Grandpa


I am going to be very limited in my posting today, jumping from client site to site fairly often, won't have a keyboard very often. I will try to stay connected to the thread via mobile.

[Cabd]

Insert patriarchal disappointment not anger here.

[Cabd]

Will post tomorrow, long weekend of stuff :/

[Cabd]

Just here and waiting for my cop inno on me claim~

[Cabd]

Yeah, can we not? That cabd guy really doesn't like being run up when he's innocent'd.

[Cabd]

Oh Jesus I thought we were getting a reaction test and Sang was gonna redact and reveal me-inno so I'd stepped aside to see if we got data out of Ilway instead but uh, that's not at all the case.

Fuck.

Okay, I am NOT COUNTERCLAIMING.

If anyone has a PR they should do that here, if it's legit masons the other mason should STFU and merely "NOT COUNTERCLAIMING" with the others.

[Cabd]

Uhhh, since when?

[Cabd]

Uhhh, no?

That was just a "Are you so sure you're going to scream it from the rooftops" sort of thing. I didn't ACTUALLY mean the LLD-deal where one murders you the next day if your read is wrong. I mean more "this is the sort of thing where it's LLD-levels of sure of self" but I see where you go to where you are now from that.

That said, the LLD deal does generally make the assumption that if the guesses is wrong they'll be around the next day.

[Cabd]

That is explicitly game throwing if you're town... haven't you damaged this game enough?

[Cabd]

I'm not gonna self hammer, I'm also not repping out.

I'm just demotivated as shit.

All of the joy I had for this game got sucked out when I went from "oh cool I get to power play confirmed town a fourth time" to "never mind it's masons and everyone wants me dead"

The whiplash fatigue is real.

[Cabd]

It's probably some combination of sang, bumble and ilway.

Sigh.

VOTE: sang but I fully expect to die and tomorrow is xylim.

There is no cop. It's masons.

[Cabd]

For the love of arceus.

I'll self-hammer at a minute before deadline if it comes to it, but game's fucked.

Ilway ghosting so hard, it's possibly him-sang.

[Cabd]

Yes... but that means jack shit if Bulge is unwilling to vote there and ilway is apparently not gonna show.

[Cabd]

I lack a second vote, my dude.

Yddra and ilway both ghosted the shit out of this final day.

[Cabd]

if sang could come confirm and confirm their claim that would make things a hell of a lot easier, even if it outs both our masons atp

WTF. The mason is literally voting sang. That confirms we aren't in some bizzaro world where sang is the other mason. If you actually thought this was a conflict, you'd be voting there.

T3 is right. Arcues dammit.

[Cabd]

Bulge for the love of Arceus get out of your tunnel here if you're town.

I'm finally trying to turn this thing around, helpless and futile as it might be.

[Cabd]

I was really hoping the second mason wouldn't get otued to keep kills vaguer. :/

It's either Ilway-Sang or Sang-Bulge.

Praying it's Ilway-Sang and bulge can read fast enough.

[Cabd]

I've got the post loaded in the other tab to play it literally seconds before deadline if I have to :/

[Cabd]

...Fuck it's not ilway-sang.

[Cabd]

Nora slot was definitely obvtown though

I mean, I argued as much.

Pretty funny that she literally called me getting a day one pass from the cosmos.