Newbie 2069: Summertime [game over!]

[Illwei]

VOTE: StrangeMatter omgus

[Illwei]

Hippity Hype let's see if I can survive the whole game this time tbh

survive meaning irl lmao

[Illwei]

Wow, two scumdays. That is really quite something.

scumwhatnow

[Illwei]

didn

why

[Illwei]

*ahem*
let's. Let's try that again, shall we?

I am wondering how Illwei didn’t seem to know what a scum day is.

Why?

[Illwei]

How did that happen? Lol

I think you're reading too much into RVS.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.

You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?

I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.

I was planning to chill in thread for a bit because we have days, and I'm not used to that but
I come back to full on cases and wallposts lol exciting.

[Illwei]

Okay I quoted some posts and they all posted there I'm thriving

[Illwei]

How did that happen? Lol

I think I highlighted something

I think you're reading too much into RVS.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

but like, RVS is there for us to read into, no?

However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.

You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?

I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.

I think I quoted this because I have no idea what it means tbh
leaving out a part of your thoughts?

[Illwei]

Leaving out your thoughts is kind of like pushing someone scummy, but not really explaining why they are pushing that person.

lmao that's all i do, nice to know

[Illwei]

I don’t give analysis when I ask questions, that’s why I ask questions. I also don’t assume things because it annoys me to no end when people do it to me so I ask questions so people can actually answer them.

Can you define "assuming things" because I feel like at least a whole big part of mafia is based on assuming things, even if the assumptions are more of educated guesses?

[Illwei]

I don’t give analysis when I ask questions, that’s why I ask questions. I also don’t assume things because it annoys me to no end when people do it to me so I ask questions so people can actually answer them.

Can you define "assuming things" because I feel like at least a whole big part of mafia is based on assuming things, even if the assumptions are more of educated guesses?

Even in the scenario of assuming how someone would play (individually or generally) as either alignment

[Illwei]

Also Bakslash not responding to the vote on him is completely NAI right now

[Illwei]

Sorry, yeah. Non Alignment Indicative

Basically Italian's questioning feels uberpointless because he's asking a question that doesn't need to be asked
Bak could have had some sort of scummy answer to that question, but really never a towny one.

[Illwei]

Then again RVS is for uberpointless questions so realistically I can't fault someone for that

Nora latched on quick to some things which while they feel opportunistic in a way, I'm going to give some town points for moving out of RVS for now

[Illwei]

VOTE: Roden

[Illwei]

I find this funny because I find your vote on Roden to be way more opportunistic than anything else that has happened in this game. I don't know what you're trying to do here tbh but im alright with it because im still scum leaning Roden atm.

This feels like a strange double standard to me in a way tbh

I'm not sure of the meta here but my vote is very fluid. I'll vote what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it rather than just say something. In this case it's mostly a vibes vote rn. Dismissive instead of defensive works for them, but their responses to you didn't feel great to me. un momento.

[Illwei]

Bak could have had some sort of scummy answer to that question, but really never a towny one.

I don't understand this logic at all. What do you mean?

There's no reason someone could give for "why didn't you respond to the vote on you" that would make me think they're town, but there's plenty of things they could say that would be ehhhh

[Illwei]

I'm wondering, @Italiano, why do you keep asking questions such as asking about people's votes or RVS like they mean something?

This feels like an opportunistic jump

Idk abt here but I've heard RVS reffered to as RQS as well, random questions or whatnot. anything in RVS is more useful than nothing, and I think everything means more than nothing.

[Illwei]

lmao I just re read Roden and couldn't find what I was looking for I'm hallucinating over here help.

it was mostly I thought he said something about Nora's reads not meaning anything on him that I didn't like. Someone tell me if I hallucinated that into existance or not though.

[Illwei]

Where is everyone right now, I get that discussion is a bit harder with a person VLA, and one has to be replaced, but 6 other people aren't even talking at all. That kind of seems like a waste of a day to have no discussion whatsoever. So can those 6 people explain why they're not talking right now?

Don't expect me to be so active, I joined this game because I don't have so much time during the days anymore but still wanted to play a game, so I figured one that wasn't 48/24 would be easier for my schedule.

[Illwei]

yall pfps are similar

wow

[Illwei]

don't like #195 tbh. feels like all consensus opinions that he had to "think on a while to reach"

[Illwei]

Roden, I hope you've had a good night's sleep and are in a better mood today. have you had a chance to reread our exchange from last night at all?

this doesn't give me good vibes

[Illwei]

wow this sounds self conscious. idk weak point but important enough that I'll mention it.

people can be self consicous and it not be AI

[Illwei]

i have a question do you scumread bimblesticks then ? becuase u say u dont like their post in 195. just answer that question and i will have a 100% response to u

Relatively yes

[Illwei]

these seem like filler logs -- you come in to the thread talk about how you don't like something and leave and never addressing the two possible votes on you.

what would you like me to say to them?
if you find me you find me if you don't then you don't

[Illwei]

Right now the person I'm the least certain on anything right now is Bimblesticks. Really want them to participate in the conversations more to read anything conclusive on them.

VOTE: Bimblesticks

[Illwei]

My question to you is, why DON'T you care about the votes on you? As town, you want to get enough information as possible, so if you are getting voted by people who may possibly be scum, you would want to address why they're voting you so you could possibly sort out the alignments of your votes

Gotta be completely honest I don't follow this one bit tbh.

I think it might be the fact that I can't comprehend the statement "enough information as possible" tbh. Because. that...just...doesn't...
well.

They say why they're voting on me tbh, so why would me engaging in that matter at all? If I feel the need to defend then I will but to be frank, I don't have the energy right now, and I don't see how defending myself would help me sort them.

[Illwei]

what lol

ok then... let me ask u what makes bimble scum?

and do u have any townreds?

also what do you feel about roden?

and what do u feel about the scumreads on you? including mine

mmm sure

My vote was a statement

There's paranoia but pretty much just nora rn.
overall like bulge but there were a couple things that I didn't tbh. flip that for roden though I guess.

He's felt a bit agressive in the beginning but idk how to read people who are new but not really because they study or something

apathy

[Illwei]

A statement on what? "apathy" How do you feel apathetic about three people reading you as evil?

my dear bimble
if only I could feel anythin but apathy rn tbh

[Illwei]

Actually, I have a quick question for @Illwei. How much do you know about playing Mafia?

Here? not much tbh.

My community is pretty casual. I played a game here and subbed out sometime during it. I think it might have been in december? or january. or febuary tbh. games here run for a while.

[Illwei]

This is important that they answer. I'm not going to answer why I'm asking this question.

that's fun

tbh idk what you're really asking for here, you can search my username (though it seems that people are having trouble spelling it right smh.) and find me if you really wanted to tbh.

[Illwei]

illwei had a really good post early on that i feel is uh, pretty hard for a new player to make as scum. what's the reason they're scumread?

Can you please
point this out to me tbh?

[Illwei]

tbh it is sad that people never respond immediately it makes me sad sometimes but

basically this will be my almost 50th game of forum mafia tbh, albeit in not a long day format here, and not all of them super serious tbh.

[Illwei]

tbh it is sad that people never respond immediately it makes me sad sometimes but

basically this will be my almost 50th game of forum mafia tbh, albeit in not a long day format here, and not all of them super serious tbh.

If you prefer it when people respond immediately, could you please explain why you voted for me, which I've been trying to get you to do for about 100 posts now? Could you please also respond to what I asked in Posts 369 and 372?

I did at the bottom of page 16 tbh did I not?

[Illwei]

if illwei flips scum after Zyla was scum in 2065, I'm never doubting the TBH tell again

The whatnow

[Illwei]

Illwee

are you trying to provoke a reaction?

[Illwei]

ilway

alas

[Illwei]

cabd/Mo scumteam solved it

[Illwei]

Illwei, if you don't want to get voted today, I'd appreciate it if you answered some questions:

1. Why did you vote for me? What is your read on me at the moment, considering you haven't unvoted?

2. Why have you been reacting to everything with apathy? Do you just not care about this game?

3. Do you genuinely belive cabd/mo are the scumteam? Can you not understand why people are suspicious of you?

Also, I disagree with Ydresse that Post 363 is a town post. The argument made here doesn't make sense, townies should obviously want as much information as possible and to pressure people that vote for them.

1. because whatshisface didn't. their post read like something they wanted to pressure, and then they didn't add pressure, and I was like ???? but brain doesn't work so that was my way of expressing that.

2. my dude I don't care about life right now, but there have been so many sub outs already and I subbed out of my last MS game so I am here out of sheer stubbornness

3. No. That was a joke. because they are both repeatedly spelling my name how it sounds and not how it is spelled, but they both seem to hear it differently. I found it funny lol.

[Illwei]

I'm still wondering about the tbh tell tbh

[Illwei]

but I also don't see a ton of stuff that looks like sorting from them in their iso :/

yeah Itsa problem

[Illwei]

If you really are scum, then this is what the "tbh tell" looks like. In future games, you can try to avoid it in the future now that you know its a thing. If you're town, then in the future you can point to this game to say "the tbh tell does not work with me" lol

"tbh" transcends all levels of Town and Scum tbqh

[Illwei]

In your first game, you were town - you made 62 posts, and you said "tbh" zero times

In this game, have have made 42 posts, and have said "tbh" 25 times

this is unironically extremely compelling hahahaha

Please tell me this is a joke

[Illwei]

Comparing your current game (where you alignment is unknown) to your other games, where we know your alignment is a pretty effective way to sort people you are unsure on.

Well, yes... but, with "tbh" ? : P

[Illwei]

@Illwei -- is there any thing about this game that would result in your posts sounding/feeling different then your last?

Nothing specific to this game, but it has both been a bit me not having as much time as I did last time, with one a few hours each day to get on, and also my IRL wim being non-existant : P

[Illwei]

What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens

[Illwei]

What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens

no.

see this is scum.

why do you wanna wait to see what sang wants to say?

did you want to sang to actually CLAIM cop there? and get a cc on me so u could figure out who is real or not?

if it's a cover then there's no point in taking it back even if you're getting heat. if you are the real doc then why cc right now when he wasn't going to be voted off anyways.

[Illwei]

I don't think this makes you scum because again I think that those two scenarios would make more sense for scum trying to be townie, but that doesn't make it any less useful.

[Illwei]

I don't think this makes you scum because again I think that those two scenarios would make more sense for scum trying to be townie, but that doesn't make it any less useful.

also for townies in general but that's irrelevant here

[Illwei]

I am just finding it hilarious that this game is basically no longer the same game that started, unless you think it is. that whole boat story or whatnot, you know.

I want to talk but I dread posting because I'm going to be expected to solve and I am too lost to solve right now if that even makes any sense

[Illwei]

I feel as overwhelmed right now as I did in the last game I played, which was a mash with 50 people

this shouldn't be right

[Illwei]

(1) the idea of "deciding" how to read someone is uh, odd to me

and (2) a read in terms of town/scum being based on reasonableness also seems strange. town are often unreasonable, scum very often try hard to be reasonable. why does the read depend on this?

Personally it makes sense to me in a way- just in the fact that you can read people differently for different reasons, unless I'm misinterpreting him.
I didn't take it as reading people who are unreasonable as scum and reasonable as town, but as players that don't make sense generally or are loud and flailing are sometimes easier/different to read than people who are more controlled or whatnot

[Illwei]

I don't understand the reaction of the OMGUS vote on me from bimble I am too tired to understand it.

It implies to me that he did feel the pressure of my vote which is ?? in itself

I am too tired to go back through his iso, I tried and the format ofhis posts, specifically the response to quotes istoo hard to read fro me

[Illwei]

this game is like a team game but if no teams were allowed communications and subouts happened mid-day

[Illwei]

lol mb. i meant like Illwei seemed more in tune with what was going on than anyone else? if that makes more sense

lmao I didn't even notice I said Doc and not Cop until I was catching up

[Illwei]

actually, dare I say I wouldn’t have if I were scum and it weren’t with exactly Cabd

I am failing to comprehend this sentence at all

[Illwei]

that is really a shocking statistic yea lol. it's not really the same as a meta tell, because I'm not saying "Illwei is scum because as town he never says tbh". what I'm saying is the TBH tell is real, and affects new players more than anyone else, but it means absolutely nothing if "tbh" or any other variant is a common part of a person's normal lexicon. the fact that you said it zero times in your town game, contrasted with how densely packed your usage is here, tells me it's not necessarily just a natural way of speaking for you, and could very well be scum-indicative.

lmao I blame a certain Monsieur Boquise who I encountered on MU for it's sudden appearance and disappearance in my vocabulary

[Illwei]

I am trying to find
trying to find some things that I was like oh I wanted to respond to this when I woke up and then was like oh day is over and now I can't find them

[Illwei]

Omg wait can I stay

[Illwei]

Sang did you cop him

[Illwei]

hmmmm

[Illwei]

ugh this is probably a step in the wrong direction but I think I was only locktowning noraa via cabd :/ I did have my own solid TR of her, but I am historically Bad At Reading Noraa so idk, ydra hasn't done anything i can recall to impress me. if the slot is scum it's probably only ever with Cabd.

it would probably serve town best is everyone ignores this post until maybe later in the game if we're ever dealing with deepwolf'd stragglers

I am going to ignore this post as you wish after asking how you were locktowning her via cabd when cabd replaced in later did he not

[Illwei]

If no fourth vote happens does no one die or does cabd die

[Illwei]

Hello sorry aaa

I got off work yesterday to find the day gone tbh lmao that was. something. cool. nice.

[Illwei]

welp.

VOTE: ydrasse

[Illwei]

I am. So very sorry for my play and activity this game tbh. I had so little time to get on between working and ahhhhhhhhhhhhh and by the time I was like yo lets go It was kinda too late and I was lost?

[Illwei]

I am. So very sorry for my play and activity this game tbh. I had so little time to get on between working and ahhhhhhhhhhhhh and by the time I was like yo lets go It was kinda too late and I was lost?

And you won anyways

I-
...yeah.....

[Illwei]

This is a striking statistic, and I would have seriously voted to kill you for that Day 1 if the cop claim stuff had not happened. You should make a point to look out for that in future games as scum

I gotta be honest, it is legitimately nai. I have accidentally picked it up from someone I just played with on MU. lmao.
so lol.

Also yeah, specifically that kill I was busy and then was like "oh shit i need to check the game" and then it was like "you have ehhhh 6 hours?" and I i was panik and like what who did cabd say was a good kill let's go there and did not even read the thread :wowee:

[Illwei]

This is a striking statistic, and I would have seriously voted to kill you for that Day 1 if the cop claim stuff had not happened. You should make a point to look out for that in future games as scum

I gotta be honest, it is legitimately nai. I have accidentally picked it up from someone I just played with on MU. lmao.
so lol.

Even if this is the case,, you should still purposefully try to avoid saying it as much in your next scum game. Like right now, you have two games that people can look back at and try and whether NAI or not, it will can be used against you, so you should safe guard against it. -- At least until you get a handful of town games where you have said it more as counter evidence

I appreciate your concern, and will take this into consideration- assuming that i have gotten you to understand that the acronym "tbh" transcends all mortal concepts of "town" and "scum".

If in future games, people chose to scumread me for my.use of "tbh", i will ask if a two games is enough to go off of for that. I will link outside games for them to peruse if they truly care about solving me through thus "tbh" tell.
And if it comes to it, I will die. For i would rather be killed off.

And if i were to drop the "tbh" in my mext scumgame, what then? What if next game is it and people go to iso me and find this here post from you? They can then use that to scumread me, can they not?

So while i would love for there to be an easy way out of it, alas there is not. And i will not be unfaithful to the "tbh" and cast it away in hopes that is the better path. For in the end they will lead to the same outcome. One which betrays myself, and one that does not.

[Illwei]

Also just for clarification that is just almost a pute shitpost tbqh

[Illwei]

I take no responsibilites for typos tbh i am on mobile