Newbie 2069: Summertime [game over!]

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sup nerds

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hardclaim cop

gonna check cabd tonight bay-bee

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god I was convinced this slot was scum but I wanted into this game and lukewarm fucking STOLE the obvtown slot after ydrasse sniped me on the noraa slot

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let's yeet bimblesticks

VOTE: bimble

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strange is super fucking town lol, what are you talking about lukewarm

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(I will not be reading the game sequentially because deadline extensions are a fucked part of the site's meta and I refuse to ask for one, so I'll be sorting via ISOs/via talking to anyone who's around the next like day or so)

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bulge might be scum

bulge, do you prefer town or scum, I don't remember? (also, you're indifferent to pronouns used for you (between he/she) iirc?)

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Illwei fuck knows, I'm kinda leaning town because I'm not sure this town has been cohesive enough for the top wagon to actually be on scum

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grandpamo I will be applying the boring standard to, which is that if I read his ISO and his posts make me want to drink a large quantity of grain alcohol/throw my computer out of the window/have a lobotomy then I will be assuming he's scum

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I'm not going to bother trying to sort cabd bc I'm just going to cop him

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some of cabd's posts make me feel warm and fuzzy inside but I will SQUASH those feelings down very deep and not allow myself to be deceived again

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also grandpamo passes the boring check, congratulations, you get a townpass for today

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I think that just leaves ydra who I will sort in real time bc I'm absolutely not (1) trying to read Noraa's ISO or (2) trying to discern alignment from it

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in conclusion:

Lukewarm -- town
Strange

grandpamo -- eh town enough

Illwei? -- town? (?)

cabd -- these will be sorted later
ydra

bulge -- scum??

bimble -- scum?

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Epic one less slot to read will be sad if fake claim

i would never

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not sure how I feel about cabd totally ignoring me

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why the palm-face friend-o?

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bulge might be scum

bulge, do you prefer town or scum, I don't remember? (also, you're indifferent to pronouns used for you (between he/she) iirc?)

I generally prefer scum. indifferent to pronouns but it's usually he or they.

do I know you?

we're acquainted, wouldn't say we know each other well, I potentially have a better idea of who you are than you do of me even if I were on main

strange is super fucking town lol, what are you talking about lukewarm

I don't see this either, why do you think so?

Cabd feel free to explain your initial strangematter TR as well? I know it's faltering but what were you picking up on. do they fit some kind of model?

can I just say tone? they sound super fuckin earnest

plus I think that 393 and the immediate follow up of 395 is something that just sounds very town in a way that I think I wouldn't expect newbscum to come up with?

also stuff like 213 -- like, does newbscum, and specifically newbscum going down the "i'm lost and struggling to parse the game but trying my best" approach to being townread, really decide to call out someone giving them towncred because he misunderstood what they were actually trying to say? I think not, I think scum!strange just takes the towncred and stays quiet

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Oh, probably just the little tiny itty bitty thing where you randomly PR claimed out of nowhere and inserted chaos into the day for no realistic gains.

who says there's no realistic gains

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(as I can see you had prying eyes

idk what you're talking about fam, I just soulread you and knew how you felt

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let's yeet bimblesticks

VOTE: bimble

I admire the confidence but could you uhhh... explain why you want to vote me?

vibes, my dude

you were the person whose posting most made me feel like I was just reading blah blah justifications instead of someone really engaged with the thread

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I wanted to talk to them about, but cannot currently

y not

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The Bulge, StrangeMatter, Cabd, Lukewarm

these players

need to make a vote

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ideally in their next post

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The Bulge, StrangeMatter, Cabd, Lukewarm

these players

need to make a vote

ideally in their next post

VOTE: sang froid

Am I doing this right?

absolutely

but seriously, do vote someone

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well well well

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this *is* an interesting development

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I think illwoo looks good out of this

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cabd's reaction I have mixed feelings on, and I have mixed feelings on mo -- not sure if he's scum who was wondering if I'm the cop or fakeclaiming and wanted me to confirm it or if he's vt who believed me and was trying to run interference

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You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

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I have a hero solve but idk if I wanna out it yet

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I think illwoo looks good out of this

This is an interesting take -- can you explain?

yes: I think illwahey (I got the impression you would enjoy the riffing on ur name but if you don't tell me and I'll spell it right from now on), if scum, is probably aware that they're defaulting into being the lim today, right?

if they see what I'm leaning towards being town-on-town in a clusterfuck then I don't think their reaction is to make points/ask about it with a mind to understanding mo's motives and to then go on to say that they don't really think it makes mo scum. like if they're scum, then unless mo is explicitly their buddy, I would expect them to be trying to push one of us here instead of just trying to figure out what's going on without committing anything to it

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I don't throw, I just play differently to you

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You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

lukewarm, what do you think of this?

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hi, ydra

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how are you tonight?

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You're more reasonable, so I haven't decided yet how I read you

this strikes me as a very odd thing to say

lukewarm, what do you think of this?

I took it at face value.

Looking over some other players isos (bulge, noraa, ydra (when she reached out to him)), and seeing the posts leading up to Roden's replace out, I get the feeling that he was getting frustrated and very well might have been unreasonable. -- I have actually avoided reading his iso for this very reason :/

right, but 2 things

(1) the idea of "deciding" how to read someone is uh, odd to me

and (2) a read in terms of town/scum being based on reasonableness also seems strange. town are often unreasonable, scum very often try hard to be reasonable. why does the read depend on this?

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that's not ideal

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I am excusing ydrasse for the evening, but I uh, do have some concerns about that slot

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I maaaaaaybe lied when I said I didn't read any noraa posts; I did, and I didn't uh, like them much but was hoping that ydra would change my mind, but I don't wanna ask her to play if she's not feeling great

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i would never

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debatable.

regardless, i would not have taken this slot if i thought anything she did was scummy. she was doing her classic tunnel onto town gimmick. don't want to angle shoot either but i dont think she leaves in that fashion either.

okay, but uh, you might've been wrong, no? either way I want bimble more today so this is maybe a conversation better had tomorrow if there is a doc and if they correctly save me from my otherwise inevitable doom

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until I ended up with meta homework instead

skip it, homework sucks and (secondhand) meta is trash anyways

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debatable.

regardless, i would not have taken this slot if i thought anything she did was scummy. she was doing her classic tunnel onto town gimmick. don't want to angle shoot either but i dont think she leaves in that fashion either.

okay, but uh, you might've been wrong, no? either way I want bimble more today so this is maybe a conversation better had tomorrow if there is a doc and if they correctly save me from my otherwise inevitable doom

not on noraa coming off of a scumgame i was in/spectated where she played the polar opposite to here.

which game was that ? forest fire?

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I want bimble more today

LLD-Deal level of want it?

I'm not at that level of confidence yet, assuming my memory is correct on what you mean

incidentally, don't elaborate, I don't think anyone benefits from you making this clearer today

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so I'd mostly just seen some of her ISO in relation to the Roden/noraa conflict, and I will say that upon reading (well, semi-reading, semi-skimming) it's better than I thought

Rather than constantly discrediting me

, I'd appreciate if you just answered my questions.

Because if you are town here, you are making me SR you far more than you would if you just answered questions instead of being super defensive

. I haven't even told you why I SR you. Relax and answer my questions. I have yet to give a solid read. Currently I only have suspicions but they mean nothing if I end up thinking you are town. If you are town, you have nothing to worry about.

Not sure what to think of Bakslash avoiding participating in RVS.

I think scum would want to blend in and throw a random vote out though

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This was the first post that I had an issue with. It looks pretty simple upon first seeing it but I keep getting ominous feelings from it.

I worry because it feels like it has ulterior motives to it. Calling out Bakslash is so random and specific given at this point in time there were multiple players who hadn't even posted. What makes you think bakslash is specifically avoiding? The part that worries me the most is the bolded part. I keep getting ominous feelings because it feels very .... idk tricky and slippery.

Like I feel like its very simple and straightforward but it's also kind of saying "look I didn't just throw a random vote out to blend in. I must be town" and that level of the simplest manipulation really just makes me think noob scum.
I'm biased because noob scum me was 100% like that but I understand not all newbies are like me. But I just keep getting ominous feelings about this post. Idk this is one of my biggest issues with you atm. Lets talk this out please.

I currently have three scum reads life is just beautiful ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Three scum reads this early? What's your metric?

I think you're reading too much into RVS.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

I also think you are scum. Tell me why Strange matter is scum and you aren't "reading too much into RVS" or is that just another RVS vote?
For bonus points, figure out why I think you are scum

Kinda figured I was one of your three.

Pretty sure I know why you think I'm scum. I won't entertain your reasoning though because it's pretty flimsy, and we both know you're just gauging me anyway.

The progression from shock that I had three scum reads to being like "I figured I was one of them" read kind of self conscious and fake.
I'm more worried about the fake part since i guess I could see town thinking I was talking about them and brushing it off to not seem self conscious. I totally see that since I do that occasionally and subconsciously a lot of the time also.

To clarify, the fake part is kinda like the asking what my metric was which is not something I typically would expect town to ask there because idk it feels like covering up fakeness(the shock). I might be reading too much into this tbh.

How much/how little it takes for something to ping you.

even the faintest sense that scum is nearby can ping me

That sounds like a pretty useless scum radar to me. Townies do scummy shit all the time.

Pretty sure I know why you think I'm scum. I won't entertain your reasoning though because it's pretty flimsy, and we both know you're just gauging me anyway.

Mind telling me what my flimsy reasoning is? or at least why you think I SR you? I do but you can get town points for answering correctly

I don't think your town points mean much if I can get scum points just for commenting on Bakslash's post.

This was all SOOOO defensive

. I'm not a fan but I don't feel as strongly about this post since I've seen defensive townies that will discredit as a way to defend themselves.

so first up, I don't think that Roden was constantly discrediting her atp (I haven't gone back to check but I don't remember that being a feature of his ISO when I was skimming it pre-poaching)

secondly I dislike the constant attempts to (1) frame Roden as particularly defensive and then (2) to frame that as scummy when I don't think it's a reliable tell. also bothered by her noting that it's not a great basis for a read and then continuing to point it out

and lastly, that just felt super, super reachy to me

Rather than constantly discrediting me, I'd appreciate if you just answered my questions. Because if you are town here, you are making me SR you far more than you would if you just answered questions instead of being super defensive. I haven't even told you why I SR you. Relax and answer my questions. I have yet to give a solid read. Currently I only have suspicions but they mean nothing if I end up thinking you are town. If you are town, you have nothing to worry about.

Your attempts at intimidating me aren't gonna work, sorry. Your question has zero calories and adds nothing to the game. Telling me to relax when you're the one getting riled up is some interesting projection though.

Man are you defensive.

Oh well I'll still try to work with you if I believe you are town. We'll see

the above also feels like it's deliberately antagonistic and is a very strange thing to post if you genuinely have any interest in working with Roden

I find this funny because I find your vote on Roden to be way more opportunistic than anything else that has happened in this game. I don't know what you're trying to do here tbh but im alright with it because im still scum leaning Roden atm.

This feels like a strange double standard to me in a way tbh

I'm not sure of the meta here but my vote is very fluid. I'll vote what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it rather than just say something. In this case it's mostly a vibes vote rn. Dismissive instead of defensive works for them, but their responses to you didn't feel great to me. un momento.

It probably feels strange. I'd SR you if I didn't already SR like too many people. Who knows. You might get to skip the line of SRs if you be more scummy but for now ur at the bottom of my worries pile.

Both scum are in this pool and

im close to 100% sure of it

{Illwei, piisirrational/Bakslash, Roden, Bimblesticks, ItalianoVD}

if any of them start pushing outside of the pool, that's gonna look bad

because im certain that Strangematter, Grandpa Mo, and Bulge are town. I think it's pretty obvious that I am town but if anyone wants to challenge that, go ahead.

I dislike the professed level of confidence (like, no) and the suggestion that it's scummy for anyone in that pool to be looking outside of it when I think the only person who's strongly town outside of her pool is strangematter

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Sang Frod

I may have to register this account

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cabd why do you scumread Illwei i.e. please explain the generic newbie scum model

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also your read on bimble would be good

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cabd why do you scumread Illwei i.e. please explain the generic newbie scum model

can i pitch in

no

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cabd why do you scumread Illwei i.e. please explain the generic newbie scum model

can i pitch in

no

damn

also question, out of that roden and norra interaction you had analyzed just earlier.

who do u think had more scum equity and do u think any of them is scum rn?

noraa

I just finished a game where Roden was scum and his posts were both very different to here but also they made me feel an unease in my gut that I don't have here

there are confounding variables like if he was scum in both he might have deliberately tried to pursue different styles in both, but I think this is unlikely because he was broadly very TR in 2069 and I don't see why he'd change a (nearly) winning strat for the hell of it, plus I think playing multiple scum games in different styles is honestly just kinda difficult, or such as me maybe being biased in confidence because I was one of the only people to notice that he felt ~off~ that game on D1 (although I admittedly let myself be talked out of it and put it down to paranoia)

right now I'm unsure but I think lukewarm/roden slot is very town

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cabd why do you scumread Illwei i.e. please explain the generic newbie scum model

also your read on bimble would be good

Yeah sure give me a few.

I'm mobile right now at the dinner table.

that's fine, I'm off to bed soon so may read + respond tomorrow

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I think we have time before deadline?

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17 hrs not great

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ydra how would you feel about voting bimble?

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poe and whenever I start trying to read his posts my eyes glaze over which is what happened with another player in this game we've both played with and with Roden in the game that just finished

like I'm not through the roof confident on it but I prefer bimble to Illwei atp unless cabd drops some very strong reasons to end the day there

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like

I TR

Luke
strange
mostly (?) Illwei

cabd feels honestly quite good last couple of pages but I don't really want to go into why

you are maybe not scum

mo felt okay but I'm really not sure how I feel about his CC play

leaves (bulge, bimble) but I'd prob include mo too tbh

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I think if cabd weren't cabd I would probably be TRing him

in the same way that sometimes if skitt weren't skitt I'd TR her

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if cabd is scum, would that I had saved outing until lylo to see which of us would stand victorious over the other's corpse after what would doubtless be a multi-day 1v1 where everyone else gives up and in the end someone flips a coin to decide

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I'll try to adapt it to lilo for this game if it bothers you but I broadly think the term stands on it's own due to the phonetics lining up fine with the "lim" switch

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VOTE: mo

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CFD LET'S GOOOOO

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What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens

this sounds informed ?

uh, no

What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens

no.

see this is scum.

why do you wanna wait to see what sang wants to say?

did you want to sang to actually CLAIM cop there? and get a cc on me so u could figure out who is real or not?

if it's a cover then there's no point in taking it back even if you're getting heat. if you are the real doc then why cc right now when he wasn't going to be voted off anyways.

oh this sound REALLY informed huh

also very much no

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drop that hammer like it's hot bulgey

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fucking hell, i step away from the laptop for TWO MINUTES

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I mean you're welcome to explain how you think it sounds informed but it like, really doesn't seem that way to me

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I did see the doc thing but I figured that was a typo for cop

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I guess the main reason I got that sense from it is that I don't think anyone else was making assumptions about what's what in that moment.

i... don't really understand what you're saying here tbh? could you rephrase pls

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well, or not lol

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hmm

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heartbroken that we didn't try to find out how long the streak of hmms would go

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how are you feeling about cabd?

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YOU’RE NOT MY REAL DAD

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pls stop saying scummy sounding shit strange

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the answer is literally anyone

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actually, dare I say I wouldn’t have if I were scum and it weren’t with exactly Cabd

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If I am what I say I am?

Spoiler:

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I should really v/la at weekends

Anyway:


VOTE: cabd

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someone hammer

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Hey, @illwei replacement, if you hammer cabd in your first post you get to live tomorrow

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after cabd we go bimble -> strange unless once of them drops hammer before illwei replacement gets here

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bc I’m bored and he’s gonna flip scum

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hammer if ur town, illwei

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drop. the fucking. hammer.

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like my nerves are hanging by a thread and if i don’t see a hammer by the end of this page then we can yeet you today and do cabd tomorrow

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Unless you’re exactly masons with cabd, cabd is scum, he was softing PR at the EoD1

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Or idk, slipped having setup information?

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I want bimble more today

LLD-Deal level of want it?

This, implying that you thought I’d still be around D2

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And implying that you thought you’d be able to get me limmed if you were, which would only have been reasonably viable in your mind if you’re PR

And I’m p sure you’re not, because otherwise why would you not make the mason claim, and get strange to do it for you?

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Cool, I’ll take the lld-deal today with rest of thread unless you want to out as the other mason rn

Besides which my level of certainty has nothing to do with screaming it from the rooftops, and despite the backpedal here I think you were pretty clearly talking about the lld deal in its standard form

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Ydra, can you revote so we can lim scum today?

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Also your whole push on me/mo looks v bad faith now mo has flipped town as does your attempt to characterise it as “we must flip in these two now what a shame” which would incidentally have delivered scum you directly to lylo

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Also like... the fact I’m not dead but we’re in a setup where cop was possible implies that the scumteam isn’t newbie’d up, yet every other experienced town player here would have balance-of-probabilities killed you N1 > lukewarm so

There’s that too

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@bimble’s replacement, i won’t insta yeet you tomorrow if you hammer cabd in your first post

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I wanted so badly to tell you nobody dies so you’d just hammer but yea, if you vote cabd dies, you should do it anyway

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bulge put ur vote back and let's lim scum today

Illwei come hammer cabd

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it's literally T3 and cabd lol, ur all welcome

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one of the hardest throws I’ve literally ever seen lmao