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In post 35, DrippingGoofball wrote:I would like everyone to detail their relationship with math, your answers will be considered alignment-indicative.
I was in "bonehead," math in junior high, but tested well enough to take Geometry in High School, which I passed with a C, which satisfied my graduation requirements.
I passed "Contemporary Mathematics," essentially everyday math, like interest rates, percentages, conversions, in college to satisfy my math requirements for my college degree, which I think I passed with an A.
I will be travelling over the weekend. Expect low activity from me until Monday, taking into consideration that I don't generally play Sundays to begin with.
In post 311, nomnomnom wrote:Flea feels like a lazy vote to me, are we really going to vote that slot when there's more things to explore this game already?
I, for one, don't particularly care for long Day 1's. We have plenty of things to analyze from the Day, and Flea is scummy enough to warrant yeeting out. Tell me I'm wrong though.
I'll also state that Flea skates by on this kind of activity frequently, and when town still manages to showcase a few town posts every now and again, however, as scum rarely tries to effort until it's convenient.
The posts about refusing to try if fae are going to be eliminated actually feels more scum aligned with faer AtE play than their town meta.
I'm a bit distrustful of Titus' posts today. I'm disinterested in nom³ and actually feel as though they conjured up a perfect storm of unluckiness of their own posts.
I'm willing to clear both DGB and nom³ as town here.
I would assume you don't trust the full claim of nom's, so what do you make of their constant softs? If you don't trust it, why do you suspect me if I was the one who roleblocked nom?
For me it's a combination of policy and too many coincidences that seals nom³.
Policy in the sense that they should have claimed Miller Day 1, and the fact that they probably wouldn't have drawn my roleblock if they hadn't made a big deal about them having an action.
Coincidence overload in the fact that they just so happen to be a Miller that was going to friendly neighbor the 1-shot cop who guilty scanned them, but got roleblocked by me. Like, I'm not a statististics guy, but this is a math based game, and I would love to hear the odds of all that happening.
In post 888, Titus wrote:This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.
The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?
In post 908, nomnomnom wrote:Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.
Holding Twilight discussion hostage seems like something scum would want though. Plus, it really just doesn't make sense. Assuming you knew that EoD was based on mod closure, how do you effectively use your role without broadcast advertising people not to spam twilight ahead of time?
Roles are meant for you to have a little control, but you have almost no control over yours because you are at the mercy of the mod and spammy players.
And again... The Miller being scanned by the 1 Shot Cop Night 1 is just a statistical anomaly.
In post 925, Titus wrote:@Toog, why did you roleblock nomnomnom instead of letting him resolve?
I found it suspicious that anyone who is town would openly claim they could use a role after meeting conditions on Day 1. Town would likely fear a blocking mechanic from scum more than scum would fear one from town.
This doesn’t add up. You were talking about A50 and Titus at end of day and choose to block Galron?
I just felt that Galron wasn't getting any attention. Everyone knows I claimed Roleblocker, so blocking someone I suspect would seem obvious.
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I could vote either A50 or xlos based solely on their insistence of flavor claiming. I do like A50's request to kill xlos, with the "tonight I guarantee," caveat, however.
In post 1090, MathBlade wrote:I don’t like this because it looks like scum trying to buy one more day and then when DGB doesn’t die and we have to elim him and then he memes and “told you so?”
In post 1103, Xlos wrote:I do agree that other things Toog did are scummy because of their strange night actions that they still haven't explained and what you mentioned in 1033.
I have explained both my night actions. As for DGBs 1033, well, that's not something I can explain, I guess.
In post 1107, Titus wrote:I think the only reason nomnomnom got through at any rate of speed is because I had nom doubts (wanted Toog more at the time) but we needed town to work together as a block. If I don't make that bargain, town doesn't vote together as a unit.
I just want to understand why I'm being scum read. Because all I see is that some people don't believe that I blocked nom, and thought I was trying to save them. Is that the gist of it? No damning evidence, no other associatives, just the refusal to believe that I blocked nom.
The issue with your setup spec is that you keep closing it has two cops, but really it just has a 1-shot cop (if true), and a role cop (which would make a role like mine almost miller-ish). A role cop scan on nom turning up a joat wouldnt really set off as many red flags as a role cop scan on me would.
I feel as though if town had a vig, night 2 would have seen the shot fired.
So either...
A) There is no vig.
2) The vig shot T3 with the mafia.
D) The vig shot T3, and I blocked mafia, or the mafia shot T3 and I blocked the vig.
Going into Night 2, I blocked Galron because of their low profile, which made them the best choice to submit a kill. Couple that with nom³'s flip, and my early Day 2 suspicions of Titus, both of whom said they town read Galron, I thought it would be a gut shot roleblock if Galron might be scum to stop a kill.
At this point in Day 2 after the past several pages the last few real days, I'd say both A50 and Titus are strong town reads based on their stances.
I am willing to put DGB third for now. Math is right that DGB absolutely would bus a partner into the ground, and there constant death tunnel on me isn't helping me read them any better, but for now I give them the benefit of the doubt.
Galron can be next. My blocking on them didn't stop a kill from happening. 50/50 they didn't make the shot as scum, or just aren't scum at all, so I'm willing to levy time here with a null town read.
Math has been doing nothing but setup analysis noise since replacing in, making a lot of logic leaps in the process. The fact that his only goal has been to eliminate one of A50, DGB, or myself isn't sitting well with me. The fact that his slot is triple replaced means nothing to me as it could be any multitude of reasons for revolving door. Null read.
My current PoE stands in Wheme, Xlos, and Jake, with the latter really only down here because I am not a fan of the troll player mentality. I'm willing to bet at least one scum in there, hope there's two.
Gonna be real, I'm starting to feel like this setup analysis is a smokescreen to look super active without having to commit actual reads.
I don't mind the casual setup speculation, but you don't have the full picture Math. You actually stated the only reason you think I'm scum is because you personally can only develop a scum team composition that includes a Roleblocker, however every insinuation about my alignment from you seems to leans probable town.
So take a stance. Assume I'm town, and see if you can make an argument for someone else as being scum as a result.
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Titus, what is your actual read on me? DGB is wrong, and you riding their coattails hoping to catch scum is dumb, especially since their case on me is conspiracy/paranoia.
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Jake, you are criticizing Galron's limited engagement, but holy shit they are actually taking stances on topics, unlike you.
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I can't defend against paranoia. I can't defend against stupid. And I'm certainly not about to defend myself in setup spec because any number of unknown variables including lies distorts the information.
But I've also blown my load, and been completely transparent with my reasons and reads up to this point. If people legit think eliminating me from the game will help the solve, well, whatever. I think people are being dumb with their reasons, but at the very least I've used all my actions.
I'm reevaluating my reads from a few pages back. I think I too hastily am giving a pass to a couple people, Math in particular for refusal to step away from setup spec and analyze play instead.
I get that. The delivery of the bolded line seems more like a slip though. Not, "it would have been a lucky shot..." but rather, "it was a lucky shot...". The former coming from somebody who is either unsure of my alignment or trying to sell a scum read, the latter coming from a perspective of knowing I am town.
And this is pretty much why I'm heavily town reading A50 here. I'm not someone scum goes out of there way to forcibly white knight my slot in the face of multiple alpha personalities wanting my elimination.
Titus similarly has emphasized I'm not likely scum, but sadly she's mindlessly sheeping DGB who only suspects me because I don't play the way they want me to or think I should.
After reevaluating earlier reads, I think I'll still stick with A50 and Titus as town reads, and Galron as more than likely town.
One of DGB or Math "might" be scum, but I am hesitant to say both since DGB would probably have benefitted more from bussing slimer/Italiano before Math replaced in. Stating either of these slots is scum is of low confidence, and more of paranoia though since the former has done shit all after claiming a guilty on Day 2 and the latter has done shit all other than try and setup solve. If I had to pick one as scum, it would be DGB because scum have been provided safe flavor claims, which a 1-shot Cop can easily be, especially in light of the flipped Role Cop.
Everyone else not listed, I really don't have a strong read on, and I freely admit to following A50 on Xlos solely because of trust and PoE.
I'm not particularly getting scummy vibes from Jake, but their playstyle benefits scum more than town, and if Jake is scum, there's a strong chance that a lot of today's focus has been on all town players and they avoiding rocking the boat by continuing to just troll.
I'm assuming for the time being that A50 and Wheme are just failing at trusting each other. I would assume that if there were scum between them, there might be more attempts at manipulation within their neighborhood and not total lack of communication.
Xlos could be scum from early flavor probes, but that could also just as easily be attempting to break ice and completely innocent intentions failing in a big way.
With so many players claimed at this point, holding my flavor might be irrelevant. If anyone feels it's necessary to claim it, I'll do so.
